Menachos 36

Today's and we are about 25 lines from the bottom of being learned and also being learned and to Rifka Esther. Isua. So we're in the middle of dealing with some of the more gishmaka goras and shas sugis related to stam specifically related to sakara. Another bunch of classics that we're going to have to go through way too quickly. Ra. So the ammo ramas who we know was a good friend of Rav had a son whose name was Rabuta. That son Rabuta said over in the name of Raveshillin the casher of the fill in is so the different that the require are all. Rashi says specifically we're talking about the shin the dalid and the yud which make the name shakai that theim of the fill in half. So you have the shin on the bias itself. The kesher in the back of the shro is shaped like a dollid and then the kesher on the bias of the is shaped like a y. So the quote unquote the shak is said the nicer part of it the glossy part of the that makes up the cash should be facing outwardly raashi was once sitting a part of and fillin flipped around meaning the kesher was the wrong way. So Mazucha told the not hold of this that the catch you have to make sure that the nicer part is facing outward onashi told him of course I hold that I'll be honest to you I didn't realize that my was had I known I would have jumped on it just like you jumped on it because there's no question in the world is the pik says the so this is one of the very very good in the that says that when is going to do the right thing so the nations of the world are going to look at the Jew and they're going to see that theem is and when they see that it's going to create a fear of Israel says the great rebel said that what's the will that will cause them to that will cause them to be afraid. It's referring to the said that didn't say or he said he said when a person puts on fillain and the message of the penetrates his rush that creates some external manifestation of the yarumi mecca. But if a person superficially puts fill in on his and it's only fillain or fill that doesn't come with the school of another and this is in the context says and then finally says I'm going to remove my cap. I'm going to remove my hand. You're going to see me from behind. What does it mean? Meaning what? You saw the fill in. This is really based on an idea that the Gumar talks about and that is just like we wearin also wears fillin. And if you remember the gamarra says the marbear talks about the paras of the of we spoke out some raid about this by the literally by the epic epic now is not the time for that. So the kesher of the fillain has to be on the person's head but a little bit higher up as opposed to low down as opposed to on his neck. And the reason is there's a symbolism if that's we're going to be we're going to be additionally it should be behind the face. So that it should be literally mull to the face again as opposed to on the sides. And the reason is again some sort of symbolism that if the is that we're going to be we're going to be ahead. We're going to be at the face. We're not going to be behind. We're not going to be. So there's clearly some mysticism associated with the show his and somehow depending on where we put the fill in is going to have some impact on where we're going to stand in the world. Fascinating fill in this is a classic by the way. There are shuttles that start with this. So, when is the proper time for one to make the so whoever it was said it's from the time that you put it on meaning you put on and after you put on the you make the is that so everybody knows this every time you make a you make it first you make the then you do the mitzvah so how could it be which seems seems to suggest first you put on the fill in and then you make the that would be the exact opposite of the way we always make a mitzvah. So the Gmorrah says this doesn't happen every day but both in unison they both responded and they said that when the said that the was not put on your finish look in the mirror or don't look in the mirror make sure everything is perfect and then go ahead and make the bra but rather it's You should start making the bra when you put the filling on, but you should finish making the bra before you properly put it on. So there's the and there's the and the is supposed to be somewhere in between. So over the because you're going to complete the before you finish putting on the another very very classic in the event that somebody speaks between the soil doesn't mean between but is the singular for which is plural. So if somebody was you have to go and you have to make another as if to say if a person is not you make one and that's going to work for if however somebody then you have to make two says the is that for you see clearly you're supposed to make two says here they both in unison came to the rescue and they said that it's true there's an idea of sometimes you make two brahas we said that when is that if you're in other What said is true if a person was then you're going to make one and which are you going to make? You're going to make the of fill in and that's going to work for the as well. If however you speak even said but is not the same that's the it's going to be a different you're going to make the of meaning it's not a said which suggests you only make one said that you make you make and I'll mitzvah to win. What's the stero even does that if you're you have to be doesn't mean the same again that's maybe what it would would have sounded like but in light of what said we know it's a different but the bottom line is the only time said you would make two is if you but if you wanted that's not going to be in the event somebody spoke he did of is considered an that we know when the used to go to war. So not everybody qualified to be drafted. Somebody that was considered to be someone that had certain aos. He had a peckle. So of him it was very dangerous for him to go fight and as a result he would go back. So the price says that what's the definition of an a even something as subtle as if somebody speaks between the and the would be enough for a person to go back. The truth is it sounds like this is what the gar is saying, right? Couldn't even be more clear. We have to learn says when we say we don't just mean that the person spoke, right? When you become a baritzvah boy, you know that one of the is to speak between the it's based on a gar. The garra makes a big deal about it. How many times does the Gar refer to something as right this is literally an a so yeah it is considered very but you have to learn Rashi Rashi says the only time it's a problem is if you but in the event that you but you made a doesn't sound like it's a that's not a good enough reason to be another when a person puts on fill in First you put on your and then you put on your and when you take your off first you take off your and then you take off your hopefully this is not coming as news to anybody. So says like this understand I know the first and then because every time the terror tells you the mitzvah of fillain it says first and then for example just do it in the sedra that it's mentioned in the what's the mccarted Rafa explained it to me says they shall be and we learn from here that as long as the there should be two peers as if to say the is not only referring to the that's what it sounds like it's referring to but it's referring to the shyad as well. So that the I'll be wearing the and the hence the will be but to the extent I'm not wearing the and you can't be it's only so to speak there's one that's then that's not okay. You need the in order to have the you have to have both periods of fillin on at the same time as it relates to the so could be on without the there's no as it relates to the but as it relates to the so you put on the first you take off the first then and only then another classic brace So at what point could you make a fill? So you were thinking what do you mean whenever this man is to put on fill in that's to make a fill which is true stating that we're talking about somebody that put on fill in he put on fill in he says the reason is he had to travel somewhere and he had to put on fill in even before. So the question is when is so that he knows to be able to now go and make the so says the time is of the okay when exactly is that somebody got up early in the morning because he wanted to leave and he's afraid that maybe his fill are going to get lost right if he puts it in his rental so you never know a gun might come and take it so the safest place for the fillain is actually on his body so And he should put them on even before this man. And when this man comes, he should touch it, right? Feel it, do some with it. Okay. Until when could you wear it? Meaning what's the comes? At that point, it's supposed to take off your filling. Rabak says, "No, you're leave it past. This is vibes. But you're a weird even you could even wear your fill in up until the time of when was already after you could even go past that. Every person can wear his fill in as long as he wants to. You're ready to go to sleep. You're not sleeping at all. But once you're ready to go to sleep at that point, you take it off. So if you look carefully at the three shittas of how long is a person allowed to have the filament on his body according to the comments meaning once it's nightfall at that point you have to take it off according to you could keep it on past up until of and according to there is no sets you could definitely wear it past even past it's an individual when you're ready to go to When it's yours, that's when you're supposed to take it off. Says the writer says not, but rather meaning who both agree on one thing and that is you can wear fill in after you wear it fills until so once it's nightfall you don't have to fill it on anymore. you could wear it past then they're arguing how far past then is but the bottom line is they're both who right he's the only one left to be too that in the event that a person took off his children already to go to the or to go to a And then the sun sets and now it's evening already at that point you're not supposed to put it back on. says as much as they hold you don't have to take the off once it comes but to go and put the on once it's past that already is not okay said you don't have to take your off they used to in they were they would literally invis wearing and this is in line with what said and that is some That really what said was not but said which sounds like they held is yeah like at the very least like they hold that is your word from so says who says that and have to be in agreement with sort of in this in this version holds that you can't where it's filling at night stating that they hold your letter in at night in fact say at night. So again, we have and they're all opining regarding a three-way. What's the over here? The is in the let's got this again. The Tanakama holds that you have to take them off by says he could wear a you could wear and according to you could wear it literally the entire night in terms of in one gear said and the other G said is not like additionally and two they both used which means they were clearly of the opinion that which means So the Gmorra is zeroing in on one of that weird fill in himself said if it's right twilight where it's a if it's if it's so but at the same time you now let put on the film What does it sound like? It sounds like then but let's say it would be night then there's no question in the world would be what's the cash says that it's only used he was so we have a here in of the shabas that me of he was talking about because over there if it's not just if it's also shabas and shabas poses a separate challenge as relates to we don't we're filling on shabas and that's why he helped as opposed to if it was he would say not So that's where you're running into an issue there. He says it was if it's suffic if it's when he said that says. So what emerges is is that the sheet of rabafuna is that is quote unquote or at the very least you can keep your filling on can't put it on but you can keep it on as opposed to shabas is filling right that's what emerges and at first glance you would say okay makes a lot of sense whether you could put on fill in at night or whether I have to take my fillin off at night versus whether I could put on fill I have to take my fill off at chabas is two separate is Tuesday night and shabesh are literally there from sea to shinings you can't have a bigger than those two at first glance the two should have nothing to do with each other stating that the says if you know the rest of the story if you ever learned the last per the beginning of the last you ever learned you know that really whether or not is and whether shabas is manfin are very much and that is the segue of Next question. What does that mean? Shabas fill the chabas also has to be his mind because if the opinion is not his mind is also not filling. How do I know that's the does the math? Because if you know the is the same that's on and that is the says this is in the end of par it's right after the mentions. So the mitzvah of is mentioned four times in the twice in the end of parades and at the end of one of the mentions of fillins in the end of par the throws in says it says right that sounds like day and day right almost so for sure it's by day and not by night That's also a little wordy. We learned from their not even old days. So says that from the word I learned two things number one and number two not even it's only which day notes that's a different day. That's also a day you don't put on but says from the same word I know not I also know says this whole that is not film even though if you look at the right before it it's talking about film But really what's the general context of we learned it already in we have it in the bayer a little bit it's right one of the things we do as we put on film but really really the that's being discussed here in the is the high level and that is the but the bottom line is says you can't be mad and you can't be anything from me as relates because the that's not talking about talking about the carbon that's the that's going on in in that parish but what's the bottom line is the so what does hold if he holds like in this that when the says it's referring to and that's how he knows me well like and that's why you actually what's going on over here. You can't have your cake and eat it too. It's impossible to hold is not because if you then both and if you don't like that says that is referring to the carbon well then you have no ability to be shabor you have to say that holds that law is filler because he doesn't I if that's the case how does he know that chabas is not his fellin he learns it from the same place that himself learned it meaning who learned is referring not to it's referring to the garb but is that shabas shabis is not as mfill and he clearly learned it from somewhere else and it's that somewhere else from his father. So what is this? It's also in a Bryce. We throw into the mix as well. You would think that a person should have to put on the says that the purpose of the fillin is for it to be an ice. And we learn from the days that require an o to show that we have this special connection with that we keep the a day that requires an o is a day that you put on as opposed to the fact that keeps shabas and the fact that keeps right that's that shows the connection between us the fact that we keep as a result you don't need the from the fact that the referred to the as an that we learn what the what the fillain is it's to serve an ice to the extent there's a day that I have a different and as a result there's going to be no purpose I'm putting on fill in and that's why even though I don't hold but I feel when it comes The bottom line is holds that as butt by the way not as manfill is because he holds like that we don't because if we would say that yeah but also was so he obviously held that is his man He holds that that is referring to the carbon stating that already had a different source being exempt from and that is that's how histoin but shabas and yontiff is not as manfin as it relates to the ice of fillin and this whole Indian if you look at the related rap bites They have several related rate bites in from over the years. Again, we know what the of today's raid is. It's not going to be this. We're going to have to rely on the related. If somebody puts on think that's something over, you're actually over in a laugh. So, now we're raising the ante a little bit. So until this point we had uh and then with different listeners in terms of being not being as man right let's we had the where the says you have to take your fill off you're wearing you have to take it off said you could wear it into the night vibes and said you could even wear it until you go to sleep if you want to take this not these but you Now another we have the right we have more information that we're aggregating as we go through this says from we learn soil is completely exempt whereas said that that is referring to the carbon and as a result is mindful so it sounds like it's as well and You don't need a it's the next Bryce on the right. So we have it these two Bryson that are both discussing this. Additionally we had two whether held that is like is not like which high level is on some level or is not as man. Additionally, we had the two great they were both said. That's how came out. So again there's all these different now says that I'm going to tell you if you put on even now to be clear the did say with regards to that original the original that the whole is do I have to take it off by or could I leave it on maybe even until I go to sleep but you remember the Bryson said if somebody went to Bas for sure you're not going to put it back So again there's really two demon when you discuss this am I allowed to keep the on and then can I even put it back on and are talking about not keeping the on that talking about putting the fill in back on at least just based on the simple reading of their words say at first glance it would seem that is with regards to something said of the name of anytime it says in the Torah the word or pen or yellow. So we know wherever it says right. So these are all said in the name of that lo is not the only word in the means he sh does pen does and al does as well. Either way, the word is a word that means according to maybe that's the because regarding we just said the says the word is from the so it would seem that on that said that if somebody puts on it's It's what laugh? What laugh? Oh, that's the laugh. As opposed to who said only say because it's true. It says if you violated, you violated something. Oh, right. That's what it is by default. But says that's something doesn't hold that way. It's not to say that this is some global could be everybody holds a by the way it is a global even in the but the says is not whether we hold like everybody holds like law the is when the says he's sh in the context of a that's an where all we know is that this is an do we say that like is this is going to be or in the context of an remains an says it's true he sh is but he is going to be anay as opposed to even he is going to be now what does it mean he Share the is a laugh. If it's in the context of a loy then it's anyways a laugh, right? I don't need the word for it to be a so take a look at is when we say what we mean is is the telling you to do something or is the telling you not to do something in the event you have a that the but it comes with a that's a that we treat like an if the terror is telling you thou shalt not do something it never uttered the magic word of lie or pen and all it said was sham he sham said is also going to be a word that's that's going to be so in the context of a do is in the context of a do not that's going to be is always alive is always alive. So it's for that reason we're going to treat this as by the way if this sounds familiar we just spoke about this if you remember there's a talked away in the end either way another said as much as I said why because it says doesn't you know is a okay fine but let's say you're putting it on because you want to protect it you want to watch it like we said earlier sometimes the best way to watch your is simply by wearing it then it's going to be okay I was once sitting in front of I'm sorry and he put on and I told him like I was very taken aback I couldn't believe it. He's putting on at night. He says probably you want to watch it. He said in that was what he said. One word in said I was able to I know my is nuance that that's really not what he was trying to do. Rather he was putting it on because he held you could put it on a so why didn't he tell me that he must have been of the opinion that you could put on but you're not allowed to ask him that way. Mean that you're not allowed to ask him that way. He couldn't even tell to me my and as a result he said it in that way but the bottom line is what emerges is that holds that really you are allowed to put on as much as said we can actually do it stating that it's exhale. So we went through about 12 sugitz chatles in today's dav, but we're going to go back in the raid to what we began yesterday and that is part two of the overview of yesterday's raid was just setting up a little bit the schmoo related to rashi. Raenu nothing fancy just going through the basics shed the basics so let's just over what we talked a little bit about yesterday everyone knows that there's a meaning in that many people have and that is to wear two pairs of t what's known as rashi and raenutan fill respectively there's also a migra to wear one pair of fill and that would be rash's phone so the yidden that wear one pair of fill or wear rash Rashi there are people that we're a second period fillin that second period fillin is what's known as raenuhammed phil what exactly is rashi and raenu fillins that we spoke about yesterday it's really two peers of fillin that are made in different ways one following rashi the other one following rashi and respectively are both mentioned on the same exact it's six lines from the bottom. It's a very short albeit cryptic bryer and because there was some ambiguitity over there what emerged was these two graitas in terms of how to understand pash the bry hence the two pairs that the bry was discussing how exactly a sifer is supposed to be mad the four paras in the kadra so we know the four paras are the four times that mentions the mitzvah the two times and then the parishes And then the two times in where it says and then again where it says which concludes with the but the Bryce is discussing what exactly is the how are you supposed to order it says to Bryce the way you're supposed to do it is you're supposed to put kadesh on the right side on the left side as the said it literally just the opposite and says is it my right or is it your right but from the standpoint of the right of the someone who would be looking at that fill or looking at someone that's wearing that fill in. So if you're reading right to left, it's what the means to say is that going from right to left is to the far right. Then comes then comes and then comes. What does the Bryson mean when it says the T of the Bryer was making in the four and he was discussing the two that are to the right and the two that are to the left. So as it relates to the two to the right going from right to left it's as it relates to the two to the left going from right to left it's going to be but really it's one continuum. It's and it's says it's prepared in the way that it's written in the so the order of these four paras are as such and that's the way they're supposed to be written and that's the way they're supposed to be placed in the Torah had a different understanding of said that what the means to say is that if you're going from right to left kadesh is on the far right is immediately to its left means that if you're going from the left to right you're going to have to the far left and is going to be to its right which means it's going to be and then you're going to have said the bryce is more mash like me and the reason is because the bry is bifurcating the right side of the tin the left side of the fillin which alashi what you wanna to somehow single out the right half versus the left half. It's a little uh right the way I'm learning it, it's a little more gizont. What the bride is saying is is that going from right to left it's and then going from left to right it's but either way according to it's not but rather it's and then and like famously said you're gonna have the are both going to be so the two fillins that some people Here the rashi and fillins respectively what's the is in the seder of the paras is it or is it and then now the stakes are very high as it relates to this because the very next said what that means but according to it means any type of kalipin. If you're going to mix any one of the parishes with another, doesn't matter if it's an outer with an inner, an inner with an inner, an outer with an outer in all situations, it's going to be possible. Which means that you really really have to get this right. But the bottom line is these are the two pairs of it says that the is in other words the is like it's also and the is like stating that is that someone that's how should he do it that's a will try to put them both on at the same time right for two pairs of if it's hard for you to do that your is too big do one after the other. Either you can do one and then immediately the other you'll be both pairs of with the same or you d with one and afterwards you put on the second and if you can do that says is like so that's what you're supposed to with and then afterwards you're going to put on we mentioned that yes I don't understand it sounds like from that we like we Like if that's the case, why here feel that should be there's so many there's so many that we don't pass and like and there's no mention anywhere being so if that's the case why is it right why is it that pumped here this somehow theor that a Shayan should be careful and be sensitive and he should try to be this and the way the asked to is with a pump and that is he told this is there's another it's also negated the over there is should the parishes be or should they be standing or should they be lying flat rash is standing standing is that's supposed to be lying flat. We pas like Rashi and the does not mention any about you should make sure that it's going to be and what's the reason because as much as this and everybody knows but at the same time we don't ask him like and if we don't ask him like so Why is it when it came to this is it is it suddenly different told him the reason is is because this was really an old notad this was an old old and is not just butenutam really has many many and it's for that reason this is not an ordinary and because it's not an ordinary here there was a sensitivity ready to go and to be for this meaning this has so much ammunition supporting it that the should be sensitive to this idea. Now the chuva from is very short. We said it's several lines. We will mark of it a little bit again. It's all a peerish to what it is that is saying but we mentioned from infra the third chuva in so right in the beginning he talked about this inyad and he has a very comprehensive chu on this topic and one of the things he does like no one else was able to do is he's catalog all the shittas on one side of the spectrum and the other and as it relates to rashi he mentioned that it's the rift of the bottom line is there's so many and that's really where the is coming from we mentioned that there's a place already quotes the last play that seems very much to say Rashi and then there's the kachchen the infamous kachen that the rivet brings in an art that is under says that I saw different places called and he quotes one of the places and that is that says in that what that is supposed to be which is like by the way we see that already quoted this in but the bottom line is that seems to say like the on the one hand and I have the shami on the other hand we added to this that inim. So in one of these shas that came literally. So the was told that it's relates to this big shil. So if you have a literally half of the on one end, half the on the other hand and you have already between a clear and if you have already as it relates to the so this is that when you have a situation like this you're forced to say that should be the not but the chuva as in the commentary on this is in and this is he brings the question that the asked again is discussing this is in but he brings this question that the asked and he brings terrors and he says that I want to suggest another mahalak and this is already based on the world of s obviously this is way way way way above my pay grade but at the same time just uh to get a little bit of a sense of what's going on and that is the benes in his so this is in par's vo he talks about rashit and raen he says as follows. Back in the day used to think that is like whoever is right is right, whoever is wrong is wrong. came to and he was in the name of that really both Saros are MS and that this is really a completely different and that a person has to a person has to put on both fears of in fact said Then going back to was already wearing two pairs of fillin of soil was wearing two pairs of Now what were these two pairs of fillin? I was skipping a little bit. One of them was as far as and the other one was a person should hold both of the in his hand at the same time. You should put them on your arm at the same time and you should supposed to put them on. Either way, the Beneskai goes and he's very very much based on based on this that they from and that is that really this is a very different type of usually is one person is right, one person is wrong. And just to be clear, even though you find an idea of but means one person is right, one person is wrong, but on some level Right? What's the classic example of when the garra says so the garra says that it was they couldn't figure it out until a bas came out and said right so the was said when we know that if somebody would be right assuming he violated some that has a that's above our pay grade but the bottom Bottom line is when it comes to this is a real that really Ashi was being one type of was being another type of he's supposed to wear both and these two has nothing to do with where there was confusion and somehow mysteriously the forgot exactly how fill is supposed to be but literally going all the way back then the was always wearing was always wearing two pairs of fillin and then the benesite continues news and he says if a person is going to only wear so said of course you have to make a just when you're supposed to make it but when it comes to this because the The bottom line is bottom line is the said that said that a person has to wear two pairs of fill. You have to fill not because there's a suffici right or Tom's right because they were already wearing two pairs of filling because was not to wear one pair it's to wear two pairs we got it all wrong it's to wear two pairs but just like everybody understands you have to have a shad and you have to have a in the same vein you're supposed to understand you have to have a rash and you have to have a fill it's not one shy and one it's supposed to be two shyads And it's supposed to be two. One of the cabalistic to this Indian is a safer that's called matsas shim. The author of the mats shimur was the great makul ran shapiro not to be confused with the mala muk. Raas shapiro was a ishirmi. He was a shadar that eventually made his rounds around Europe. We spoke about this the matim when we went through the he wrote another called where he railed against the Italian Jews that were misal very very very shar against it he was a great and in a safe from matsimurum he has about 50 pages about fillain specifically rashenu fillin and he said something very very sharif he said somebody that doesn't wear rabenu fillin I'll He's a man. And if a person goes through his life without wearing fillin, he's going to go up to say he never put on film. So, but he didn't put on. And someone who doesn't also wear incidentally for extra credit if you take a look in his he brings that said that if somebody doesn't wear and he's very upset he said there was so many that was they live their whole lives they never put on how could you say something like that on so many this is way way above my pay and beyond the scope of this year. But the bottom line is it's here in that and it's not who's better who got it right and not just having every right and every this is a whole different India right this is because both of them were being worn already going back to the times of it's interesting that Margolus in his so he brings different on and almost all his are in Kabala because really in Nigla there's the is that very very short cryptic price six lines from the bottom is but he brings a lot of different zas I was just going through a little bit just to get a little bit of a sense of what's going on just like mention a few the incious this is on soy brings the Indian that we had in today's that it says what the says what's the pmius of that he said the pmius of the Indian is that we know has four paras and the four paras of the fillin connected the four of the one par is the the other one is the the other is the and the other one is the so the four paras that make up the and that's the ones that see are going to see they see the says because the four parag and then the zy goes and explains it a little bit the first par which is called the that is the is the first of all the spheres and all the right that's the that's the par of and then it goes on That's the then he goes on that's the and finally the train again above my pay grade but the bottom line is says very very clear that is referring to the fact the four parishes to the and he goes on to explain what's one two three and four and it's that's the first and then there's and then learning that it's supposed to be this is also again it's discussing the same of the four paras And then the says that is quoted in the tuna because if you understand the of the formulation of the and the different you're going to why when you write the filling how you supposed to do it you're supposed to do it. So we have here I'm just mentioning one on each side there's many it's like it's already it's supposed to be one more this is the EU Right. Skip the very important word. So twill and delay. How's the twillin supposed to be? It's supposed to bead. That's all true in the next world. Hey is but it's written and that's the that's a reference to the four not in this world. So this seems to be making shalom seems to be saying there's some element of on the one hand it's true it's the way has it on the other hand which is the way it in this world it's supposed to be the way Rashi has it there seem to be steus over here with a little bit of maybe a mahalik in this which seems to say that but the steers are a good thing because that's what said that was you have to wear both. So if you have a zesh that says Rashi and you have a zod that says that's exactly what we're trying to find because we're trying to find one because the said in the world of Cabala in the world of Nista in the world of parked and already was wearing two pairs of fill upon him this is this Indian that you find already in Cabala that the Benes brings the great Makob brought that's already murd that the apparently wrote wrote a lot about and that is that really was already wearing two pairs of fillin and the surah of fillin is by wearing two pairs of fillins says why is it that when it comes to over here this should be what about the other right we mentioned yesterday himself were he to put on today's would in his mind not because is going to say why the paruise there supposed to be right the irony of all irony is ram couldn't use but the bottom line is the bottom line is it's that is a very big to wear two pairs of fill in that was that this is a different type of this is not a mik where one person is right and one person is wrong this is a mik where both cheetahs are right and rashi was malo one type of fill in and was ma another type again this whole Indian is above my ped exactly how this works but either way says the chuva that when you understand that our pe this is the way it's supposed to be so it's why this would be treated differently by the and that's why in other words we have two why when it comes to this of the all of a sudden even though we don't pass But the already says we have the which is really said it's because this is not just there's so many and this braces and already got involved in so because that sheet is such a powerful sheet it's not something you could simply reject by saying that based on we don't in this way so therefore it's going to be out the second mahal is and that is it's based on that is such a big deal that even though you can't ask in that way when it comes to but at the same time because of the fact there such an Indian I saw in his very very first cha so are called and in his very very first chuva he talks about this and also pretty comprehensively Incidentally, he quotes the Shilim as well. He brings that there was a Yim that held that the Shiloh Shamay was written by Rabenuam. You ever heard this raid? So he says it's a very very big mistake. That would be very himself was the one who wrote to Shiloh Shay to try to get a what type of phone you're supposed to wear. But he says it's a mistake. It was another one of the Balas whose name was Rabyak and he was also known as Ryakov Ishtam. And that's why people confused him. Right? Sometimes if your name was Yak and you were an Isham, you would become known somehow as Ishtam is the most famous form. But apparently there were others that also had that they were to that incredible title. And the author was such a person. But either way, he says that says this is the one we didn't mention yet. There's another that says as it relates to Only someone that's only he should do it. What does that mean? So says to being that so being that we have a rashi. So if somebody decides that he wants to be m it looks like ga. Why? because it looks like you're such a meaning think about this guy right this guy already he keeps all theness he keeps all the he keeps every he's running out of things to do so he says you know what maybe there's a somewhere that we don't like but I could do it anyways cuz I want to show that I'm about someone's going to go ahead and do that and he's not holding them by so he's wearing a talis that doesn't really fit pun intended right and as a result He's doing this with so she should not go ahead and so if it's consistent with your mahal life then do it if not not and this is and the truth is it's a big problem because not every person is holding on that he's a how many people are holding on that level that's a huge level yet a good to try to be of this the most basic answer to this question is is a lot of say that when Only someone that's should be if you're going to wear the two fillings on at the same time where it's wearing if however you're going to put one period filling on at a time. So it's not nicker. If it's not, but at first glance it feels counterintuitive, but if you think about it, it's very intuitive. And that is what's the is because why you being? Oh, because you only do that if you're and to be clear, even though this is not a regular that was the and already told him it's not a regular that we don't like and even though it's true said you can't but again only someone that's otherwise work on all that that you for sure have to do and then come back to this and we'll talk that Right? But says the that's only true. If the reason you're putting in is because you know there's this other and you're a little bit I don't know maybe that's really the right way and even though like maybe it's supposed to put but once was that a person has to wear two types of and remember that didn't that says if somebody doesn't wear I don't then says have to be a to want to put on I'm putting filling not because maybe that looks like I know that is not I know that but at the same time at the same time already said that in you have to wear two so what I'm just going to have to go ahead and for that you don't have to be a for to for the suffic for that you have to be aided but to take on the world of the G of for that you don't have to be and said once we had the world of we have so many that put on because of what was so at that point even if I want to put under because I'm more [ __ ] about the niglab I hold alias basic but maybe like there's no anymore because it doesn't look necessarily like I'm someone that's worried about every suffix but it looks a looks like I maybe it doesn't look like a when I wear a baby thumb it does so the bottom line is it's that I'm violating any and it's for that reason it's going to be okay but the bottom line is that this would be a tremendous whether or not I'm being because maybe like or I'm being said this is a whole different Indian here. You got to be Mahm. Oh, it's very very different. I'm not being Makm because of a safm because of a vad member from that's already very very different that doesn't fall into this of needing to be. So the bottom line is what's the is that as it relates to the passing like again we like we pass like we pass like rashi that's not negotiable. At the same time there is a which is not only and the uncharacteristically says that should be there's 9,000 in that did not say that part but when it came to this the said yeah the question is why it's a very good question the asked to we have two that come from the one from the other one from the said it's based on the fact that it wasn't just for there was so many men that held that way And it's for that reason the felt that there's an Indian for to be for what was once upon a time a very very important even though the is like and but at the same time you can't neglect that hence the other is based on where said that already wore two pairs of fillin and it's not rashi or raenutam it was never it was always rashi and rabenam and rashi was being maggala one type of fillin and rabenutam was being magala another type itself. So there's a lot of directions that we can go in from here and maybe in the next few days as we will but just one postcript to this and that is it's yda that didn't wear it's put down in the mserv and it's uh yda and the question is why so if you look in the back of the mserav some have it on the side but the new ones have it in the back there's a called mserav Some of it comes from his glove and from different talagra what's known as depher. So they bring a few different anecdotes in terms of why the vilgoyan did not wear a benu's fill. The most well-known is that one of the tid hagr said ostensibly it was rais that he heard the great guy he said I heard in me that he once asked the why the goyan doesn't wear fill so the responded to that it sounds like from your shil that you do wear fillin and you're asking me why I don't so he said why do you wear fillin so I told him cuz I know there's twoas And I want to be for the two days and based on that I wear a second pair of going you would have to wear 64 pairs of the and it's based on the fact that if you would go and do a how many sheet there are in fill there are 64 sheetas this is sort of wellnown what's a little less wellknown is what were the 64 sheetas the guy actually explained it you ready no so you don't have to go through all 64 shittas but there's a very very short way to do this and that is so we have the sedan paras we have the two shittas we have rashi and learnades says kadesh and are the two ends and but really there are two others we mentioned last night already the rais learned like that It's but at the same time he had it the way the rabbit had it going right to left. This is the looking at the person wearing fillin. It's on the far right. Nobody had this then and then kadesh. So it's the inverse of he has the ms like but he flips everything right everything. All four are in different places. Even the two aas are flipped and the two ends are flipped as well. There's a fourth shittita and that is the Shimush the Shimush that going from right to left it's volume one and but either way they're going told that right off the bat it's not two it's not Rashi and but really what you're going to end up with is you're going to end up with four. Okay. Now, if that's the case, really in order to be all the different shittas, what you would have to do is you would have to with the four fillins and respectively. And you would have to wear each one with the pario standing and each one with the pario lying, which means you're already up to eight zub. So we saw a little bit of that in the but do you write it on the buser side of the cloth or do you write it on the side of the cloth which means if you want to be you'd have to take all eight of these fillins and you would have to do it one time he said you're ready up to 16 right brist is the fill in. So there's that relate to the so you would have to take all 16 of these fillin and write it twice once like once like the he end up with 64. So asked the goyan very innocently, how come the reb doesn't wear a benam? So why do you wear a benu says? What do you mean? So the goyan said really if you're going to go down this road you're going to have to be used to all the different you're going to end up with 64 pairs of and then the [ __ ] told that at the end of the day we have the is like rashi and the riff. So the [ __ ] had the riff on rashi side and being that's the way it is. D is the and it's for that reason that I pass in the way I ask and by the way if you take a look at the [ __ ] in his right here so he brings a little bit of this pull and he says he was he had no ambiguities he didn't feel like I have to be the and it's for that reason the held 100% positiv it positively. But then asked him another he said that's the third that we mentioned the one he said over there in that and told the guy wrote you have to wear right with all that came along with that memo and the responded to he says I'm not being he said so many that wants to be and then he and he said and he says besides the way is not the way I understand and this is what he told and Next line is said that told him that when he heard this line from the sounds like he was afraid to put it on at that point you don't put on he stopped putting on the now went and he said that told him that the emphasis is this between the go and in terms of how to understand that line and the zy And had like two responses. And besides, again, this is above my pay grade, but he said, quote, and the you know, we've spoken over the years that there was a fundamental between the Goyan and had to understand the Z in terms of do you have to reconcile as best as possible the or not. Right? What's the classic example of that? You have to have it's based on every right. So every onas and the go says no you don't have say you have what kind of he said you have three sudas each you have two kalas and you cut them each in half that's girl and based on that you end up with 12 halves and that's the kalas that we're talking about. But that too if you look at all the they say that there was this fundamental between the hel you have to figure out a way to make between the and the result said no it's not something you have to do this is a different maybe this what this means I have no idea but here's the bottom line the bottom line is the did not he didn't incidentally there's another version I'm sorry that of this story that told the guy that you know should I wear a benam fill and he told the guy I I know the rabbi doesn't wear a ben I'm assuming the reason you don't wear a ben is because you wear the whole day and being that you wear the whole day so for you to put on a ben means you're going to have to be but I don't wear the whole day so for me maybe I should go ahead and I should wear a ben and they're going to tell why I don't wear a bul said the reason I don't wear a bul hotish with the fact that I wear it's a good but it's not because I filmed all day and he told them the Eric what we just mentioned but bottom line is the go didn't wear the not wearing that means obviously he's being says that and the was definitely if was one so the is not misspelled from this right but that means that the is that even though it's just but like told the child it's not just there's all these different the no is like and if is like is like rashi and by the way just to speak this out a little bit sharper right what did the go tell what did the go tell he said if I'm going to wear throne I have to wear 64 pairs of thorn what do you think would have said if the going would have told the they were contemporaries right they live they were mish alive around the same time so if the guy would have told I tonight would have told him he says no it's very different is not just another the other 62 the other about and the and these areas that we don't ask you about but every you're going to slide you're going to have 64 pairs that's filling you have 19 muzas and 11 that's not your to do that Right. When it comes to this, it's different. But the [ __ ] wasn't disposed from there. The [ __ ] wasn't dispelled. In the goyan's world is another we don't pass. So if you want to be for this, you have to be again this is because everyone knows this anecdote with the going. What's the response to the going? It's a true story to be you can't compare being to the 62 other that you have to be that's as it relates to the nigler component but there's also a holistic component there's that said that to me I don't agree with the way that understood this whole inab and even that says in says What does this mean? I have no idea. He said, "But I'm not." He says, "No, if you want he had to be that is what the did and said incidentally I'm pretty sure in the world of brisk they don't wear for sure this is based on but the brisk is wear rail. This is already a whole different maybe we'll do a a raid bite on that. This is already aesh but it has a mess from either way there's a lot more to talk about on this topic but we have to stop somewhere so we will stop