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Today's daf is Menachos, daf chof zayin.
Now, we are seven lines from the bottom
of daf chof vav on mid base. Amar Rav
Asi, "Kipashit Rav Elozar b'Menachos,
Rav Elozar used to teach meseches
Menachos, boyi hachi."
He had the following question, "Koimitz
she's idroi, if a kohein put the koimitz
on the mizbei'ach, v'seder all of a
sudden marocha, and he put the marocha,
the atzei marocha on top of the koimitz.
So, the usual and customary way to be
mached to the koimitz would be to set up
wood on the mizbei'ach, there's fire on
the wood, and then you put the koimitz
on top of the fire, which is essentially
the marocha on the mizbei'ach. What
happens if he did it serak serak? He did
it backwards. Say, he put the koimitz
first on the mizbei'ach, and then he was
mesader the marocha on top of the
koimitz. At the end of the day, you burn
the koimitz. But, instead of being
mached to the koimitz on the marocha, he
put the marocha on the koimitz. What's
the
Takeu. Boyi Chizkiya
What about if we were dealing with a
zavach, not with a mincha, and the
kohein was mesader the eivorim on the
mizbei'ach, but again, instead of
putting the eivorim on the marocha, he
put the marocha on the eivorim. What's
the shaila? Al supposed
to be on the eitzim. On the eitzim
sounds like dafka.
Being that there's a second passuk that
says, "Asher toicham lo eish es oilo al
ha'mizbei'ach." And that passuk seems to
suggest that the oilo is supposed to be
on the mizbei'ach. Meaning, it doesn't
have to be on the eitzim which are on
the mizbei'ach. But rather, es oilo al
ha'mizbei'ach. So, I have a passuk that
says al ha'eitzim. I have a passuk that
says al ha'mizbei'ach.
Third shaila. Eivorim she's idrom
b'tzidei marocha malu. What happens if
the kohein was mached the eivorim, but
he didn't physically put it on the
marocha, he put it next to the marocha.
But, next to the my rock, being that it
was in such close proximity to the fire,
it was able to be mocked to it. Is that
a rock door or not? Says the Gamara,
leave it to my mama. Al mamish,
according to my mama that says wherever
it says in the Torah al, it means
mamish.
Go eat your bagel. There's no shaila.
The al eats and sleeps because at the
very least it has to be together with
the atzim. Go eat your bagel. Leave it
to my mama. Al basam, according to my
mama that holds Rashi says this mama is
in the end of Masaches Menachos that al
doesn't necessarily mean on, but al
could mean basamach, next to. My, what's
the halacha? Hach nami, do you say here
too al basamach? So, even though it says
al atzim, but al ho atzim could mean
next to the atzim. So, you don't have to
physically put the evarim on the fire.
You could put them in the cedar my rock
as well. You doing well. Maybe over here
it's different because being that it
says al ho atzim al mamish bayach. And
al ho atzim therefore should be dum you
dalid misbayach. Hach nami, al mamish,
al mamish bayach certainly mamish.
Meaning, everyone agrees, even the mama
that says al means samach, agrees that
you can't take the atzim and put them
next misbayach and then be mocked to the
evarim on those atzim. There's no
question that the Torah has to be on the
misbayach. So, al misbayach, even
according to the mama that holds al
means basamach, over here means on the
misbayach literally. If that's the case,
maybe al ho atzim also has to mean that
because it's the same pasuk. Al ho atzim
al misbayach. So, perhaps al mamish,
says the Gamara, takes us to three
shailas. Number one, does the kometz
dafka have to be on the my rock which is
on the misbayach or could you be misaded
the my rock on top of the kometz? Could
you be misaded the my rock on top of the
evarim? Could you put the evarim on the
my rock, but let it all be next to the
my rock, or could you put the evarim
next to the my rock when it's going to
be on the misbayach? And the Gamara came
out table. So, the Mishnah says my dad
kometz miyuta my Akiva's rule by the
entire kometz was my Akiva. So, the
kohen had to put the entire kometz on
the misbayach. If you don't put the
entire kometz on the misbayach, even if
if left over a miyut, whereas ordinarily
you would say Rubai Kiku like over here
it's not that way. Over here we're
highest mute us all to speak. Hakoy Mets
Miyutai Ma'akiv Rubai. Is sorry Miyutai
Ma'akiv Rubai. Is sorry is the original
share of soyless that most minochas
required. You have to have the entire Is
sorry. So if you have Rubai Is sorry,
again you don't say Rubai Kiku like but
rather Miyutai is Ma'akiv Rubai. Hayai
Miyutai Ma'akiv Rubai. The Yayin that
was brought sometimes on the Mizbeach.
There was a share how much Yayin you had
to have and a little bit of Yayin was
Ma'akiv. Meaning you had to have the
entire share. Hashem Miyutai Ma'akiv
Rubai. Hasoy less Ba'Hashem Ma'akiv Zeh
Zeh. The soyless and the shemen are
Ma'akiv each other. Meaning if you have
the right amount of soyless but you
don't have the right amount of shemen,
it's not only a hisaron in the shemen
but it's a hisaron in the soyless as
well. The soyless and the shemen they
come in tandem. They're one unit of
Mincha together. Hakoy Mets Ba'Levoy in
the same two thing. Ma'akiv Zeh Zeh.
Says the Ma'akiv. How do you know that
all the things mentioned in the Mishnah
are Ma'akiv? On my crow as relates to
the first Mishnah which was Hakoy Mets
Miyutai Ma'akiv Rubai. Meaning the
entire Koy Mets is Ma'akiv. The Makores
because it says Maloy Kumtsai and it
says it twice in me. It says it's in
Svey Temol. And the ruling Katchum is
Shina Hakas Is sorry Miyutai Ma'akiv
Rubai. How do you know the entire share
Is sorry is Ma'akiv? My time on my crow
Misolta. And we learn from there Hasra
Kol Shuptsu. Hayai Miyutai Ma'akiv
Rubai. Because it says Kacha. Kacha is a
loshon that suggests and that it's
Ma'akiv. Hashem Miyutai Ma'akiv Rubai.
Says the Gamara. How do you know that
the Minchas Nesochim oil that came as
part of the Minchas Nesochim there the
Torah says Kacha. That's why I know it's
Ma'akiv. With the Minchas Nedava where
it doesn't say Kacha on my crow the
possuk says Umishana. Just like Misolta
here it says Umishana. And we learn from
there Hisra Kol Shuptsu. Hashemen
Ba'Hasoy less Ma'akiv Zeh Zeh. The
shemen and the soyless are Ma'akiv each
other. How do you know that? Meaning we
know the shemen is Ma'akiv and the
soyless is Ma'akiv. How do you know
they're Ma'akiv each other? It says
Misolta Umishana together. Soyless and
shemen. And then it me gorgeous
and soy sauce is the same thing just
different types of flour iron ration but
two times the title puts soy sauce and
shaman together
with the emphasis of the map okay so
shaman which suggests equal
so we know that each one is my active
and they're mentioned together in the
context of them being my active and it
says it twice does she not cause of the
active that they should be my active
each other how come it's all the way my
active and says
cuz they're too alcohol
so and then it says
to suggest that they are my active each
other either way the topic of the day
for the first 26 dolphin of miss active
minocus has been minocus
and the last that we just learned was
details in the mincha as it relates to
what part is my active what's not my
active how come it's mutual my active is
Ruby it's soy sauce mutual my active is
Ruby how come
mutual my active is Ruby the shaman is
mutual my active is Ruby we covered that
now we discuss parts of the mincha that
are my active each other soy sauce and
shaman are my active each other how come
it's all the way my active each other
the mission is going to digress now take
one of the great left turns of all time
and we're going to have about a 20 block
digression the majority of those dolphin
are going to be discussing the laws of
stamp so if it turns out minocus is
this is the next paragraph over here in
minocus minocus so it is actually going
to be a digression from the course of
minocus we're not really going to
appreciate that digression until
tomorrow's stuff that's what the really
starts getting into it into shabbos and
Sunday but the point is is that for now
the mission is going to mention other
things that are also my active and says
that so just like the soy sauce and the
shaman my active and says that and just
like the coin mints and the lavoyna are
my active and says that there are other
things unrelated to monotheism or the
kashan that are
thus the segue and the digression
regardless of the Mishnah
Yoma Kippurim
the two the
again you can't do one without the other
if you don't have it's either both or
nothing you can't say I don't have two
I'm going to bring one
you can't say one goat so let me bring
it
even though I don't have the
doesn't work that way
that's the
that was born on
the two
you can't
only have six
that will be by
the two you can't
have you can't have you can't have
without
you can't have without
these
two types of breads that the brought
when he brought his bread were also
there give me a part the three
that were brought with the
what are those three things actually
says eight errors the
which
the
the four types of breads of the carbon
were
the
the of the
the four
what were those four it's the errors
those were the three of them you add to
that the
the birds the
seven of the
the
seven
that God will use to
on
the
the seven that were put on the the
and the seven that were put on the
that was also on the there were 11
four on the
like every
and another seven that were done al
tiyur al mizbeach. Regardless,
those are going to be
each other as well. So, before we see
the Gemara and the Gemara is going to
bring
everything mentioned in the Mishnah.
Interestingly enough, the one that the
Gemara is going to be spending the most
time in is that with minam shibbolim.
So, that's the
theme already in the spirit of
digression. That's the one that the
Gemara is going to spend the most time
on as we'll see momentarily. But for
now, I saw in the shiurim from Sholom
Dovid Halevi zol zayn gezunt, he asks a
beautiful aura. He says that the Mishnah
mentioning things that are
zayin. And the last one is is a a topic
that we spoken so much about. And that
is rekus. Says the Mishnah there are
certain rekus that are
more accurately certain
that are
and the Mishnah lists zayin shol ben
adam. The zayin
from the paroches, every hottest panimi
has zayin on the paroches. And the zayin
that were done on Yom Kippur on the
mizbeach hazav. Straight from Sholom
Dovid, why didn't the Mishnah also say
the four hazav that were done by every
single hottest panimi that were done on
the dollar corners. We're talking about
the seven that were ben adam. We're
talking about the seven that always were
on the paroches. And we're talking about
the seven that were done on the mizbeach
hazav on Yom Kippur. What about the four
that were done on the mizbeach hazav
every single
Why what about those four? Those are
also
The only time this week is not active
is the dam that went in the mizbeach
how many were
but that's where there's a that the are
not
where but but a carbon that went in the
mizbeach
such as the
it's all four
so how come the Mishnah doesn't say
that? Says Reb Dovid, it's in this
Mishnah a tremendously side. He says
but Reb Dovid says the side again you
have to go through it line by line. We
just do what we do. came the carbon
market. But says David, the purpose of
this mission is not just to tell me two
things that are active each other.
There's a lot of things that are market.
For example, the whole state of Yom
Kippur is market. So if you miss out one
market of the Yom Kippur,
it throws off everything. We know that.
So the mission doesn't say that. The
mission said the two market of Yom
Kippur are market. The market of them
are market. What do you mean everything
was market? You can't miss out the
carbon market are market. There's
nothing on Yom Kippur that's not market.
It says David, the purpose of this
mission is not to tell me things that
are market. There's a lot of things that
are market in the Torah. The purpose of
this is that sometimes you find two
markets. You find two things the Torah
says you have to do where they are
market.
Here's the punchline. In the market,
meaning if you have one without the
other, it's as if you don't have
anything at all. The two markets, even
though they're two goats, they're two
separate animals, but from a market
standpoint, they're one. They're two
markets. They're one unit. And if you
have one without the other, it's as if
you have a half a goat. It's nothing.
The two markets
are not two carbons. They're one carbon.
The two animals make up together the one
carbon. The four markets of bread by the
market are not four individual breads.
They're one unit of bread of market
that need to be bread. Says David, the
two markets there
And the two markets spoken yesterday
from the carbon safer page 96 where the
carbon said a tremendous market. He said
that it's important to
understand
that even the market of the carbon
market, you wouldn't be able to have a
market of the one of the market of the
carbon market. You wouldn't be able to
have a market of the one of the market
of the carbon market or of the carbon
market. And the reason is because each
market
of the
carbon market is not even a total
market. The two markets equates it to a
carbon market. The two markets of the
carbon market are like a
fake the brisket off. Why is it
different than what says in
what according to that you have to do
two streaks on the
if you
one of them according to the mayor that
holds the
would be bigger. So the rub said it
tremendously so.
He said it's
Martin David is a is a Messiah
when you carbon you drink how much one
vehicle but
but
what when it comes to the
that went even on the
according to the the carbon needs more
than one and needs two. Each streak is a
streak of for itself. The carbon is just
Messiah more than one streak. So in
terms of looking at each individual
streak of it's a of a streak. It just
happens to be a
because you need two of them. So the
that holds the of a matter. So in the of
the of the of the the is you're going to
be able to
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win it. Even
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you wouldn't be able to have a bigger.
So says all the things in the
that says if the of all the things in
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that
definition means that just in
a lot of things
but it means is the in the
then how beautiful it is that that the
mission mentioned only the
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>> Even though it's true that I have but
that's not the point of the mission. The
mission is discussing with
Either way it's a it's a it's amazing.
It's a major lump this in understanding
the mission of and also to beautiful
that we spoke at at the end of
yesterday's either way so the mission is
going to go through now everything that
we just discussed and find them a car.
The first thing the mission said
How do you know that? gives a answer
How do you know that?
How do you know that the four million of
the
How do
How do you know that they're says the
Gamora cuz
means it has to be complete Rashi says
has to be all four Thus we know that the
four of them
this that we're saying that the dollar
meaning of the rule of that's only true
meaning if you don't all four you can't
say okay I only have an let me take an
answer no they're my active meaning you
have to have all four of them
if you have all four in my active then
already it's not going to be my active
Rashi says meaning you don't have to tie
them together so when we say that the
dollar meaning of my active it just
means you have to have all four if you
don't physically have all four you're
not going dollar meaning then can't be
my kind of mission but at the same time
it doesn't mean it doesn't mean that if
take all four together or that you need
to tie them together. We'll see more
accurately what the emphasis is. But for
now, you don't have to take them
together in the sense that you don't
necessarily have to tie them together.
Like the Gemara, is that true? You don't
have to tie the dal minim together. May
stay from an interesting price. So, dal
minim should be
base min pairs two of the minim and some
pairs. Rashi says the esrog and the
lulav will base min and in some pairs
two of the minim and some pairs. So, in
some pairs use cooking and some pairs.
V'sha'ein
pairs use cooking pairs. Meaning even
though the four minim are really made up
of two subsets, you have the esrog and
pairs and the and some pairs,
it doesn't matter. They all need each
other. They're all makif each other.
And they all have to be tied together.
And the same issue when it comes to klal
Yisrael. They
it could only happen
when you are together.
What do we need from here? Not
What we need over here is not a good
akhas. What we need is is a good akhas
from the oneness perspective. And that
is they have to be tied together. So,
how could you tell me when it says dal
minim makif odi? It just means yesh l'i.
It just means that you have to have it.
But as long as you have it, it doesn't
literally have to be one. It's a bracha.
The The bracha says clearly
as the Gemara
lulav whether the minim are tied
together not tied together is kosher.
This is the other kicha kicha.
That good as it is referring to
I just go over there.
Why is it kicha kicha? The Rabbanan
don't hold of kicha kicha.
>> The mitzvah is to tie the minim
together.
So, if there's a halacha that it has to
be tied together,
the Rabbanan don't hold of kicha kicha.
What's the mitzvah?
It's makeh that you tie them together.
Rabbanan hold you don't have to tie it
together. Stating that, it's still a
mitzvah
because of
but the bottom line is is that
that holds kicha kicha you hold you have
to tie them together.
Who said that when the Mishnah says
because it says
kicha tama.
It means it's makeh if you don't have
it, but if you have it, it's not makeh
for them to be together.
hold by the way
that's
because of
but the whole
It's because of the halacha of
excel. So, the Gemara said
What's the
The kicha tama means it needs to be a
complete kicha. What's the definition of
the maskana of the kicha tama? It means
you have to have the four minim. Meaning
it's makeh if you don't have the four
minim. But at the same time, if you have
the four minim, it's makeh. There's a
very very big
what exactly the maskana of the Gemara
is. Meaning it's a little bit unclear.
One thing's for sure, it's for sure that
you have to have dollar meaning. That's
what's my active. It's also for sure
that you don't have to tie them
together. That the Gamorah said for
sure. Stating that, we still a very,
very important we showed you, which has
implications of a law. Tastes of sugar
that flower dollar lemon base and
paraclu of my God will say appears is
good the back said in my active that
when the Gamorah comes out of Mascon,
it's the Gamorah over there in Mascon
and the Gamorah that we just learned
here in Mascon Menachus that the dollar
meaning are not my active. What it means
is
the way table at the market below the
heart of the adult LA in my book had the
heart with holiday shopper dummy. The
kind of a little bit of
says the back is positive to me that if
somebody has dollar meaning and he wants
to pick up each one of the dollar
meaning independently. So first he picks
up the Estrog, puts it down, then he
picks up the little of he puts it down,
he picks up the Adas and puts it down,
he picks up the over there and then he
puts it down. What are we going to do
with it? I don't see why not. Cuz the
Gamorah said dollar meaning my active.
What's my active?
I don't know. You have to have all four.
Meaning if it's ain't loyal, it's my
active. But if it's yes loyal, it's it's
going to be okay. So says the back, I
think a lot of it if you would ask me if
somebody wants to take the dollar
meaning and he wants to take them one
after another after another after
another, it's going to be okay. I was
like
with my camera on my camera. It's it's a
tremendous finish.
The given the cooler mix of a classy
because being that the dollar meaning
are all one mix for he was a
We didn't find that you could do one mix
for the
way if it's one mix for you should have
to do them all the same time. Grab a new
time again and it's because of that grab
a new time had a different gear in the
Gamorah. I would have a new time says a
bad it's positive that a person cannot
be used to the mix of dollar meaning
taking one after another after another
after another. I would have to you have
to take them all at the same time. When
the Gamorah says say in law, means you
need to have all four at the same time.
What don't you have to have? You just
don't have to tie them together. But
I've had to give this. There's nothing
to talk about. You would have to hold
them at the same times. In other words,
we have a machlokes the
and Rabbeinu Tam and Rabbeinu
which really boils down how to
understand our Gemara which really is
very gray. It left us a little hanging.
The question is is if a person would
take the dalet minim, he has all four
minim. He's not an engloy, he's yesh
loy. But at the same time, he's going to
take them as achas zeh. Do you say being
that he has them all in front of him, he
was mekayem all the kicha tama, so
therefore he's going to be yoitze. Or do
you say no? Or do you say that you have
to take them all b'achas achas?
It's just that they don't have to be
tied together like the Gemara suggested.
The Bach says you can take them b'achas
achas. Rabbeinu Tam held that you have
to take them all b'achas achas. The only
chiddush in our Gemara is they don't
have to be tied together. But in terms
of taking them, they have to be for sure
b'achas achas. Rabbeinu Tam really came
from a dvar tamei. He thought in Sefardi
it's 100% right. What's his dvar tamei?
The kiyum of the kulei mitzvah achas
kiyum b'achas achas. What's possible to
have in the Bach? To the extent that
it's one mitzvah, what's the hava mina?
That he should be able to do it b'achas
achas. So the truth is at first glance,
what's the greatest kasha? Isn't that
the theme of Menachos daf chof zayin?
The theme of Menachos daf chof zayin,
the way we explained it, the pnei ha
beer and Mashlum David Zonnenfeld, is
that the Mishnah is discussing things
that are really shtayim she'nayim achas.
Like the seven azoyis of the bein avadim
and the seven azoyis of the paroches and
the mizbe'ach achas. Well, even though
it's seven ma'asim that happened b'achas
achas, but ma'achvin zeh zeh in the
sense that it's seven that are one. They
all make up one. The two kisei ha'eidus,
the two se'irei Yom Kippurim. So there
was one side and another side that
together make up one kiyum. Because in
in chefso, we look at them even as one.
So you're right, it's mitzvah achas. But
who said you can't be mekayem mitzvah
achas b'achas achas achas achas achas.
So at first glance, what's the greatest
dvar tamei of Rabbeinu Tam that such a
greatest kasha of the Bach? Isn't that
Menachos daf chof zayin and and this
Mishnah is mentioned in that Mishnah of
chof zayin and that's that's where what
this mission is tucked away. It's it's
true. It's it's a little bit it's not
tucked away. But comes out in it's very
much tucked away. It's it's here.
A very long cut from the because we're
talking about things that
in the
way they learn
so that's the case. What's the greatest
advantage? But the truth is the truth is
in terms of properly understanding the
of a hug. I saw the Shiva Ruby ocean in
his year of my yard. He has a few
on
with regards to the of a hug
and he says that it could be the
hug is a little bit different and it
could be there's a very fundamental
feeling
between the
and something very very surprising and
that is if you ask the man on the street
the
is it one or
he's going to tell you it's one like
said and being that it's one
right it's possible you should not be
able to take
Ruby said it's really not so possible if
you want in the
there is
to say that the
are not one
but rather the
are
now when a person takes a you make one
right so I can
say
so you make only one
stating that is a big
the
what would be if somebody would take it
according to the of a hug which
incidentally is the we pass like the so
a person could in theory take it
according to the
if you're taking a
do you make one on it now or do you make
four on it the says you're going to make
one
and the is it's in a
he says ain't
going to
he's talking even when you're taking it
why the
all four together make up one
so even though the was you could take it
but when it comes to the of
I've already going to make one stating
that argues the Ravid that when you take
it
you don't make one
you make four
unbelievable. I said
so what's when you take it
you make one
if you're going to make four when it's
then you should make four
says
really you are making four
but being that you're taking them
the one
is
so I'm making one
I'm being
all
but I'm picking up all four at the same
time literally I'm picking all four at
the same time so the one that I'm making
is being over for the it's being over
for the it's being over for the it's
being over for the
so it's going to be over for all four
but the point is this is a [ __ ] that's
where the Ravid says that if you take
them
you don't make one
you make four why would you make four
in this
the
that the Ravid disagreed with the whole
premise of the
the Ravid said if I you make one even
why cuz
because
so if it's one it's what the
I'm not I'll call you for whatever but
that's the of the the
the Ravid obviously argued with that how
else do you understand the Ravid so the
Ravid must have held that they're not
four parts of one
they're four
if they're four it's possible that's why
the reason you make four if that's the
case he's the Ravid of course is going
to be
so maybe that's the
Ravid came with a whole of
that how is it possible to take them
I have to take them
the Ravid was with the Ravid
the Ravid the the Ravid
the Ravid
maybe the Ravid before if they're four
you can do the Ravid and the Ravid is
that way cuz the Ravid dialed it up a
notch he said not only could you take
the Ravid
but the Ravid said it's four it's four
it's four oh now we're ready that's not
that's not
four cuz you don't make a I'll call you
each the
Ravid would have made
a separate brochos, the Ravid minim be
with four in other words. The dalet
minim is a dalet mitzvah or is it one
mitzvah? It seems like the most basic
question in the world, right? I mean,
literally we're going back to primary.
Is it one mitzvah or is it four
mitzvahs? It's a nice chukira. So,
l'chumra, at first glance, I would
imagine it's one mitzvah. I mean,
Rabbeinu Tam assumes that for a davar
pashut in Sukkah 34a. The Rashba assumed
it for a davar pashut. It's not that I
have ever I mean, it's not that I'm just
saying it. It's like pashut, it's one
mitzvah. But then it's not so pashut.
There's a Ravid, there's a Bahag. It's
not so pashut whether it's four mitzvahs
or two mitzvahs. L'maaseh, we pasken
like the Bahag. The Tur Hamoss says that
a person can take them b'zeh chazeh. The
Tur Hamoss also says that if you take
them b'zeh chazeh, you make one brocha.
You don't make four brochos if you take
them b'zeh chazeh. You make one brocha.
Stating that, comes again the Tur
Hamoss, and the Tur Hamoss says that if
a person is going to take the dalet
minim b'zeh chazeh, and he talked in
between the esrog and the lulav, im sach
beinayim, sorchei v'vorech al kol echad
lifneihem, then you have to make another
brocha. And the Magen Avraham is
machmir. First of all, what's pshat?
What's pshat? What's pashut pshat? And
v'oid, Magen Avraham says that the Tur
Hamoss in Hilchos Rosh Hashanah says
that you're not supposed to talk from
the first keriah until the end of the
kerios. What happens if somebody speaks
in between? So, do you have to go over
to the baal tokeah and ask him to make
another brocha for you? No, you don't.
You don't make another brocha. So, why?
Because it's one mitzvah of kius shofar.
I mean, it's one mitzvah of kius shofar.
It doesn't bother me. Even though I
spoke in between, there's no inyan of
making a another brocha. So, according
to Magen Avraham, I have a svara in the
Tur Hamoss. What's the difference? How
come when it comes to dalet minim and
the this new chiddush im sach beinayim,
that somehow is mechayev another brocha?
Magen Avraham, you make one brocha.
Let's speak it out with our beer. It's
one mitzvah. So, if it's one mitzvah,
then what's this idea of of making a new
brocha because I spoke in between? Then
why is it different than Rosh Hashanah?
And Magen Avraham says a very big
chiddush.
The Magen Avraham says that it could be,
being that over here it's really
machlokes between the Rashba and the
Ravid if you're supposed to make one
brocha or you're supposed to make four
brochos. So, even though the Tur Hamoss
paskens like the Rajba, but the Yavin he
passed it like the Ravid. So, if you
don't talk, then it's the Rajba. If you
talk, then we're going to be some of
them the Ravid and we're going to make
you but there's no Ravid in Hilchos Rosh
Hashanah. So, that's why when it comes
to Hilchos Lulav over there in Sukkah
you make another bracha. But when it
comes to Hilchos Rosh Hashanah, not that
way. We're going to have raw the the
Biur Halacha brings this carrots from
the Magen Avraham and his washing is the
Nitzchah the Ashvoi I'm sure. It's a
very very big that's the pshat. Pshat in
the Magen Avraham is for the Yavin you
bring some of
them the Biur Halacha a beautiful
carrots. So, he's not pshat in the Ramah
is pshat in the Ramah is not that really
you make one bracha even if you take
them
but
if you spoke so now make four bracha
that's not the nakuda. What is the
nakuda is why is there in even a shiva
of taking it
not taking it
my is the it all came from
Menachos
the Halacha is kachtem. What do you
need? You have to have a kicha tamah.
The question is what is the kicha tamah
so the Gemara said oh my rab what it
means is
I will yesh it's going to be okay and
then within the yesh we have a
we're saying what is yesh means? Yesh
means enough that you have it you can
take it
that's a key kicha tamah. Or yesh means
you have to be holding it you just it
just doesn't have to be it just doesn't
have to be
and that was the
but everybody agrees is a kicha tamah.
The
said the said that as long as you have
all four in front of you even if the
kicha itself is a kicha tamah it's not a
kicha tamah. I will say
comes again the Ramah and the Ramah says
in Sukkah
if you spoke in between there was a
hefsek not in Hilchos brachos.
This is not a this is not a kicha tamah
it's a kicha tamah
cuz now that you spoke you are mafsik.
The doesn't mind if you pick it up
you can't talk in between cuz if you
talk in between like talking between
now already it's a hefsek it's mafsik to
look at the
That's the side. Says the
I want to say I think
even though it's not
says the
I think you know
the same
you have to go back. You start all over
again and that's why you make a new
It's not
that you were the law of I spoke. Okay,
now we can on the
Did we know to make a on the
Just like if we spoke to the
with the kids to
get in the spirit. You wouldn't make a
new brocha. So you're not going to make
a new brocha either. The point is you
have to start all over again. Why?
Because there's an Indian
brocha. So if you're going to start all
over again, then maybe you're going to
have to make a new brocha because you're
starting the You messed up in this It
wasn't a proper
It wasn't
So you have to start from scratch.
You're starting from scratch in the
starting from scratch in that spirit.
It's
that you have to go ahead and you have
to make a new brocha. In other words,
it's not a
It's not a
in what in the hill brocha
It's a brocha.
The says that the to this is really
a You're
going to bring
me the over here is there
So what's mean? You have to start all
over again. That's the emphasis of I had
some of beautiful. It's an
If you say I had some you have to know
what to be mine. So it's an
If you have to have
If you
want to see
the raid, it's in
in the
hill.
On
the man in the Either way you have to
say that the part of
the man was
So
the part of the man wasn't a carpet. The
part of the man was born in
the part of the man was born in but the
that we done with the of the part of the
man that was that needed a even though
it's
a lot of
but we had it so many times. You know
the
There was also a and the had to be done
in the
all seven
Why? Or how do I know? The magic word.
Those are the three of
that have nothing to do with keeper.
So if the client was doing that with the
product owner.
And he brought the voice.
Or be. It wasn't
a lot of it's going to be possible. Why
is
it possible?
The product owner always conforms to the
of a.
So number one is possible. And number
two if it wasn't
play all your money. It's going to be
possible.
And the avoid of the.
It's
going to be possible. If it wasn't done
in the proper place.
The first part of the remainder of the
day is going to discuss. The first part
of this price.
That's the tomorrow.
Because Kyrie is my mother.
So we have a one price that says that if
the. It was
done not where it wasn't
it's going to be.
Possible. The second price that says
it's going to be cautious.
Who's this Rabbi Yehudah and who's this
so we going to a very long-winded bris
that has nothing to do with what we're
learning right now. A machlokes Rabbi
Yehudah and the Rabbanan. We'll try to
do what we do. And it We just just one
principle in that machlokes that we want
to apply to this shaila whether or not
the hazoyas of the parah adumah machkif
or that am I kind of ruined the bris in
parshas tzav parshas shmini chayev
chates. Someone that's tamei, but he
needs to bring a korban in order to be
tahor such as a zav, zavah, yoledes,
metzora. He's a mechusar kaparah. He
needs a korban to become tahor. So, the
halacha is if he enters the azar before
he brought the korban shogeg
chayev chates. That's bemeisas kares.
Ein tzorech l'mecheleh yom. It's posul
in full yom. That's someone who doesn't
only need a korban, he even has to go to
the mikvah. He's considered more tamei.
V'sh'ar kol tamei. And certainly other
tamei. V'tahor. What about someone
that's tahor that entered a part of the
mikdash that he's not allowed to enter.
V'tahor she'nichnas l'd'fnim m'chitas.
And if they went beyond
where they're allowed to go l'heichal.
So, if somebody let's say azar enters
the heichal, the halacha is barbom. He
gets malkus. Mi'beisa l'paroches el pnei
hakapores bemisa. If he enters the
kodesh hakodashim, meaning he goes
beyond the heichal
or if he goes to the aron
the halacha is he's chayev misa. Rabbi
Yehudah and Rabbi Yehudah says kol
heichal kuloi umi'beisa l'paroches
barbom. If a person enters the heichal
or somebody enters the kodesh
hakodashim, but he doesn't go all the
way to the aron, he gets malkus. V'al
pnei hakapores bemisa. You don't get
misa unless you go to the mikdash.
What's the machlokes? It's the high
priest.
V'yomer Hashem el Moshe
V'al yavo Aharon el hakodesh Go tell
Aharon he can go whenever he wants in
the kodesh hakodashim. V'al yavo Aharon
el hakodesh. Mi'beisa l'paroches asher
el pnei hakapores asher al haaron. V'lo
yamus. So, really there's two things
mentioned in this pasuk.
Number one, the Torah is talking about
the places that Aharon isn't supposed to
go. Al yavo Aharon el hakodesh which
usually means the heichal.
Mi'beisa l'paroches which means the
kodesh hakodashim. El pnei There's more
written the end. El Pnei Hakapores,
which means all the way to the Aron. So,
we're mentioning three places, right?
The Heichal, the Kodesh Hakodashim, and
El Pnei Hakapores, which means the
Kodesh Hakodashim. Additionally, we have
in this pasuk is you have a lo sasei,
v'al yavo b'cholais lo sasei, lav
she'yeish b'meisah, always involves
malkus. And at the end the Torah says
v'lo yavo. The question is what's al
yavo going on? What's Is v'lo yavo going
back on everything? So, it's going if a
person enters the Kodesh, Meibais
Laparoiches, El Pnei Hakapores, on all
of them you have the halacha of of v'lo
yavo, or maybe not. Maybe v'lo yavo is
only going back on El Pnei Hakapores.
Maybe it's only going back on Meibais
Laparoiches. That's the question.
Rabbonan Savoran and Rabbonan hold El
Hakodesh v'lo yavo. The way you read the
pasuk is v'al yavo b'cholais El
Hakodesh.
The Therefore, if a person enters the
Kodesh, all it is is a lo sasei, Meibais
Laparoiches, v'El Pnei Hakapores v'lo
yavo. But, if you go into the Kodesh
Hakodashim, at that point the rayus is
going to be v'lo yavo. Who does it? El
Hakodesh u'Meibais Laparoiches v'lo
yavo. If a person enters the Kodesh or
Meibais Laparoiches, that's v'al yavo.
It's only v'El Pnei Hakapores v'lo yavo.
So, the question is is Meibais
Laparoiches going back to the v'al yavo
or it's going forward to the v'lo yavo?
My time with the Rabbonan. Okay, so
what's the beer in the machlokes?
The Rabbonan hold Eisav Kodesh u'Meibais
Laparoiches u'Meibais Laparoiches v'lo
yavo. If you are right, the Rachmana El
Hakodesh v'El Pnei Hakapores v'lo yavo
Meibais Laparoiches. Why does he have to
say Meibais Laparoiches? If you get
malkus, right? I know Meina Heichal
u'Machayeiv. Meibais Laparoiches
u'Meibais Laparoiches v'lo yavo. If you
get malkus for going into the Heichal,
suddenly you get malkus for going into
the Kodesh Hakodashim. Meibais
Laparoiches El Hakodesh u'Meibais
Laparoiches v'lo yavo. Shvami na Meisa
must be That's the chiddush. The
chiddush is that if you get Meisa, it's
a chiddush, cuz otherwise you would have
thought only El Pnei Hakapores you get
Meisa. That's what he meant. Rabbi
Yehuda Eikas Rachmana El Hakodesh Eikas
Meibais Laparoiches is very simple, cuz
I didn't just say El Hakodesh u'Meibais
Laparoiches v'lo yavo. How do I mean in
my Kodesh Meibais Laparoiches? I would
have thought that Kodesh means Meibais
Laparoiches. Aval Heichal lav nami v'lo
Maybe there's not even a lot by the
rabbonim. What's the sound of the holy
holy? You can't say the
because everyone knows that the holy
holy you can't say that it's holy holy.
I would have thought it means the holy
holy
the holy holy is always what's referred
to as holy holy. And I'm a video for him
for him and I holy holy or maybe not
holy holy holy holy. Rabbi my time what
is Rabbi who the whole what he holds
because he's so good at coming rabbonim
if rabbonim are right that if a person
enters the holy holy holy holy holy holy
even if he doesn't make it to the holy
holy holy holy holy holy lifted
holy holy holy holy place of
holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy
holy holy holy holy holy holy holy
coming to tell me that there's a
cuz it already says once you enter the
holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy
holy holy that when you go to the holy
holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy
holy holy holy holy so why did the holy
holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy
holy holy holy holy holy coming to say
somebody would enter the holy holy holy
holy holy holy holy holy but he would go
in not the ordinary way wouldn't walk in
my way through the curtains or if you
would go in in some backward way he
wouldn't be holy holy but the holy holy
holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy
holy holy holy holy holy holy the only
holy holy if you go holy holy holy holy
holy holy holy holy holy holy and that's
the emphasis holy holy holy holy holy
holy holy holy holy they have to go
otherwise you're not going to be holy
holy says the holy holy holy holy holy
holy what
does Rabbi lay my
holy holy my holy holy you're right holy
holy itself already teaches me holy holy
holy holy holy that already teaches me
that you have to go in the regular way
holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy
holy holy holy what did the holy holy
holy holy holy holy holy holy meaning
the end of is day this whole machlokes
over here. Is boils down to how do you
learn the word L? When it says L, does L
mean davka or not davka? The Torah says
El Pnei Hakapores V'layomos. Rebbi
Yehuda says L is davka. It's coming to
teach me that only if a person goes El
Pnei Hakapores is he going to be chayav
misah, otherwise not going to be chayav
misah. The Rabbanan hold L is not davka.
So once a person goes me Beis
Laparoiches on the other side of the
Paroches, even if he doesn't go El Pnei
Hakapores, he's already going to be
chayav misah. Again, the machlokes boils
down to is L davka or is L not davka? So
the Gemara speaks out
like Rebbi Yehuda
says the Gemara though Am Ha'aretz Pnei
Hakapores davka. According to Rebbi
Yehuda holds Pnei Hakapores davka. Then
when it says by the Parah Adumah, what
are we talking about? We're discussing
the Kohen is doing the avodah with the
Parah Adumah. He's doing the Zayin
Hazoyos. But he didn't do an oich mayed.
Is it possul is a kasher? One braisa
says it's possul. The second braisa says
it's kasher. What is the lashon of
Torah? V'hiza El Noichach Pnei Ha'oyed.
If El is davka like Rebbi Yehuda holds,
v'hiza like Noichach Nami davka. So it's
going to have to be in the right place.
The Rabbanan hold the lashon not davka.
But the Rabbanan just like they hold El
Pnei Hakapores is not davka because once
he entered me Beis Laparoiches, you're
already chayav misah. So it's not davka
El Pnei Hakapores. Oich Nami not davka.
So this much to steer between the two
braisos whether the Hazoyos of the Parah
Adumah had to be davka Noichach Pnei
Ha'oyed or not boils down to whether the
word El is davka not is El a lashon of
ikuva? That's the spirit of the davar.
Is El a lashon of ikuva or is it not?
It's a machlokes Rebbi Yehuda and
Rabbanan. Where in me'inyan l'inyan
sh'lo y'vai se'inyan with regards to the
avodah on Yom Kippur it's in that
context where the Torah says v'al y'aveh
b'chol ha'aretz only on Yom Kippur. V'al
y'aveh b'chol ha'aretz al hakodesh. And
if you do Malkus Misah El Pnei Hakapores
v'layomuso. If you hold that that El is
davka, the only time there's a chayav
misah for going beyond where you're
allowed to go is if you go El Pnei
Hakapores because El is davka. Here too
El is going to be davka. If not Maskif
Rebbi Yosef Rebbi Yehuda means El davka
El
and if that's the case
that
we don't be in a bottom and be out
there if open is not good then I'll put
has to be
as well and that's a very big problem
because that would mean that if you hold
is not good like
I was not good they didn't do a voice by
the way it was no
there was no
it was an
but it was no it was no did they do the
on
the
mix
of
the
reboot that says that that's okay
to the weather if the
of the
were not going to play
one says it's possible one says it's
we said
one of you
one of you one of you
one of you one of What matters is what
I'm saying was the
standing
or was he standing something
if you were standing at least the way he
was supposed to stand even though the
didn't
but they were supposed to land I was
that's going to be okay but if you were
even standing not
the way he was supposed to stand he was
standing
that's really
the second part of the
was the has
of me
and the
mix of
the
is possible should
be
but I need
regarding the
being
been
see how
like the mix of the mix of the mix of
the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix
of the mix of the mix of the mix of the
mix
Our price is said possible but you have
a price of
the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix
of the mix of the mix of the mix of the
mix of the mix of the mix of the mix of
the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix
of the mix of the mix of the mix of the
mix We come full circle. Rebbe Eliezer
the Makish awesome hot Rebbe Eliezer one
of the first mission that is walking
holes. That doesn't pass
most possible and awesome is also
awesome is always like hot that's Rebbe
Eliezer sheet and shots. So Rebbe
Eliezer the Makish awesome Makish like
awesome. So it makes sense that the
should be like the awesome which is like
the hot. If that's the case going to be
possible. So the price of that says like
Shimon So what you know what the shot is
cuz the Shimon was brought with an
awesome. Awesome
possible.
I I thought only hot the pass no how
many Rebbe Eliezer that holds the
awesome is like the hot. If the awesome
possible makes sense it reasons that the
should be possible as well.
Rebbe hold the awesome is awesome is the
shouldn't be any worse. So the price of
that says it's awesome is going
according to the Rebbe to the tomorrow.
Rebbe Eliezer
that's another principle that we know
from God's saying. How could you learn
the Shimon from the awesome when you
learn the awesome from the hot. Being
that I know awesome from hot with a hot
so awesome
possible is a awesome hot. In a Rebbe
hot how could you go ahead and teach
can
awesome you have a student whether the
Shimon awesome possible it's very
simple. What's the every time you do the
awesome?
It's kosher but it's by the same
so the price of that says kosher means
it's kosher. The price of that says it's
possible means it's by the same
so
and on that note on that note we
conclude the first part of Menachus the
part of Menachus that deals with the
real Menachus is a whole another part
that deals with all the Menachus but for
right now we've completed part A. So I
just thought that before we end this
morning's
just to speak out one hour. It's random
but one hour and that is one of the
themes of the beginning of the Sukkah
Menorah
is Maslow's and the light corruption.
You had the first mission that discusses
by a min home. The first Gemara Maslow's
and the light corruption.
We had a mission that said you'd seek
his share bizarre and the Gemara said
Maslow's and the light corruption. Cuz
he had his 15 avoiders that are going to
avoid the avoid
and like the manner and the first thing
he mentioned was
I think it's a way voice but he
mentioned you think so he holds you
think it's an avoider. It's too low
bizarre. The stomach is a bizarre. Come
at this small going corruption is going
to be kosher. Key bell the small Zaraq
the small yesterday's stuff we had we
rebuke. He holds you don't have to take
the coin mints and put it into a second
cliche artist. He holds that it's okay
to be over the yard. Could be you could
you could do the with your yard. Maybe
even with your ball that was treated as
a whole discussion
but again a lot of
stuff in of course
that came up in the office but I saw the
show of all the hand of all the minutes
that we don't pass corruption. Because
of all the social when it comes to a min
home and we pass it is not an avoider.
Thus it's a bizarre and
Kamiza has to be done by a man and you
have to put the coin mints into a second
cliche artist. That's the price of say
the min home. So with all the men
mentioned in the first 26 27 in here in
the min home at the end of the day it's
all Maslow's and the light corruption.
It's really not such a
cuz the says in the same that the law is
never like corruption. Whenever the my
cuz you men and his body talk to us with
your senior
the law never follows men. Stating that
I found a beautiful Maroquin
that I thought was worth sharing. And
that and that is
there's a cuz between the Ram and the
the
regarding the issue of good so the third
mint for in the Torah according to the
min of the mint for the law of good
comes dates back to Yakov Avinu the
fight that he had with Sarei Esav and
because of that there's a Lo say you're
not allowed to eat the gid hanashe. The
question is is the gid hanashe mutar
banah or is the gid hanashe assur banah?
The Rambam paskens that the gid hanashe
is mutar banah. The Chachmei Luniel
argued with the Rambam and they pasken
that it's assur banah. Freq says if you
know Siman Samech Hey, he says I don't
understand. This machlokes between the
Rambam and the Chachmei Luniel is really
machlokes banah. It's a machlokes Rabi
Yehudah and Rabi Shimon. Rabi Yehudah
says in Maseches Chulin gid hanashe is
mutar banah. Rabi Shimon says it's assur
banah. In other words, the Rambam that
pasken mutar banah pasken like Rabi
Yehudah.
The Chachmei Luniel who paskened that
the gid hanashe is assur banah pasken
like Rabi Shimon. Freq says Rabi Yosef,
we know the rule the halacha is never
like Rabi Shimon. So if the halacha is
not like Rabi Shimon, why the Chachmei
Luniel paskening like Rabi Shimon? It's
a temiya. See even if in the sugya
itself it's not clear who the halacha is
like thus a machlokes Rabi Shimon. But
we have klalei Shas. We have klalei
absak. And one of the klalei absak is
the halacha is not like Rabi Shimon
keneged his baalei plugta. So over here
if it's a machlokes Rabi Shimon Rabi
Yehudah, the Chachmei Luniel is right.
The Rambam pasken mutar banah it's
shitas Rabi Yehudah in Shas. How could
the Chachmei Luniel pasken like Rabi
Shimon l'chora the halacha is not like
Rabi Shimon. Says the Beis Yosef, shuv
matzasi I found in the Sefas Emes Zohar
Hakodesh that the Zohar Hakodesh says
that gid hanashe is assur banah. Says
the Beis Yosef, maybe the Chachmei
Luniel were being someach on the Zohar.
And being that it's a mefurash Zohar,
that's why they pasken gid hanashe is
assur banah. And if it would have been
mutar banah
it would be mutar banah like the Rambam.
But it's a Zohar. Freq the Darkei Moshe
writes in Yoreh Deah Siman Samech Hey,
he says I don't even know how to read
the words of the Beis Yosef. It doesn't
make any sense. He says, shamati I heard
interesting lashon ki baal sefer hazair
was tam Rabi Shimon ha musmach b'talmid
sh'hu Rabi Shimon bar Yochai. So what is
the Beis Yosef that I found the Zohar?
Oh yeah, I found the metziya. I found
desire. So the
are being so
desire.
And it's
desire
that you
said it in the desire. So
I don't understand
how they could pass
based on
but I found the desire. And in the
desire the desire is like
it's not an objective matter of it's the
of Shimon. And if the is not like Shimon
then then What did we find in the
desire? As I think the dark
I saw in the
in
he said parents based on the
that
that talks about
the Shimon
that's the story of
leaving the the and the says
and the son of came out of the
and met Ben Yair and
he saw Ben Yair and he was just
mortified by what he saw. I mean after
living in a cave for 12 years he says
I
bothers me pains me so much to have to
see you this way. I should tell Ben Yair
I only if you wouldn't see me this way.
He says if you know how much we were in
the
it was worth every second even though
physically we look worn down but
spiritually we grew tremendously. So how
much
he grew? I'll tell you. It used to be
before
went into the
he
would talk and learn to Ben Yair and
would be the one asking the questions of
Ben Yair
and for every question
asked would say 12
after
left the when
talking learning
was the
he would be the one that asked the
questions and would give 24
at the
that you see in this
that
he
when he was in the he tremendously the
goes out of its way to emphasize how
much Aliyah Reb Shimon bar Yochai had
when he was in the Maro. Says the Satmar
Rav, it could be when the Gemara says
the Halacha is not like Reb Shimon, that
was Reb Shimon bar Yochai far the Maro.
But Reb Shimon bar Yochai nach the Maro,
after this Aliyah, he's not asking
questions and getting 12 terutzim to
these questions. He's the one giving 24
terutzim to the kashas that are being
asked him. Now already he's on a whole
different madrega. Now the Halacha is
going to be like Reb Shimon. Does the
Beit Yosef say, "When did Reb Shimon bar
Yochai write Zohar?" That was all in the
Maro. That's the Beit Yosef Beit Yosef
asked the kasha on the Chacham Ovadia.
How could the Chacham Ovadia say that
the Halacha is going to be like Reb
Shimon bar Yochai not like Reb Shimon in
Shas? And Reb Shimon's shita is that
it's like Reb Shimon we don't pass like
Reb Shimon. But the Beit Yosef says that
I found that it's the Zohar Hakodesh. It
says over Reb Shimon, of course the Beit
Yosef didn't know that Reb Shimon bar
Yochai was the mechaber of the Zohar.
But the point was this is Reb Shimon
from nach the Maro. Reb Shimon from nach
the Maro, that cloud of masis in the
later Reb Shimon doesn't apply. And
therefore says the Satmar Rav, the
Ru'ach Einayan had the void in his
reasoning.