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Today's is and we are 10 lines from the top of so the topic is the of says with regards to the which is why this is a very wordy possible We saw in yesterday's daf the garra dared many of the words in this some of the words the gmorra did in dar the garra will dar in today's daf although it's a much lighter daf but what emerged was that even though the mentioned the of regards to a carbon maha it's not exclusive to a carbon ma but based on a the other carbon that required malik as well in fact the gamar said leva required malika Even the they all need to have stating that there are things that didn't need such as although the said that's really because holds in and of itself had needs regardless today's picks up with regards to the that the dam that went on the misb didn't require. So that although most things that went on the misbay had to be salted before they were put on the misb of a carbon which was the of every single carbon that in and of itself did not require says to tell me of a carbon does not require that should require what's given the problem is once you salt Dam is dam it's not dam anymore said that if somebody eats dam that was cooked he's not the of eating dam so we know that if somebody eats if somebody eats he's to bring a carbon the says very very words with regards to somebody that eats Incidentally, the Rambam says in the only other place you find such in the is with regards to remember from there were people pagans that they used to worship called that says not but the say was and they would take one of their children and they would literally walk it through a fire according to most burn consume that child with the fire and serve it up to this deity known as and the Torah says that if somebody does that it's so horrible and the Torah uses the same exact either way said he says if somebody would eat but he would cook the dam before he would eat it he wouldn't be over added in the name of he said then not only if you cook the dam you're not but if you sold the dam you're not either that we don't need for this morning if before he was the of he would roast them so he first put it on his Weber grill and then afterwards he put it on the in other words it's going to be bottom line is is you see from here that if somebody eats dam that was cooked or dam that was salted you're not over the is if you're not over the is you know what that means it means that you can't be mitzvah with that either and Rashi explains because if you look further in par after the mentions the gives a reason for the says you want to know why it's so because the soul of a person is in the and is supposed to go on the again very wordy. But the Tyra says that you're not allowed to eat dam. You want to know why? Because the dam has in it the soul of a person and or the soul of an animal. You cannot eat the soul of the animal. In fact, the tas of the dam is to go on the and being that the of goes on the you're not allowed to eat of can't eat of either. Bottom line is is that the is related to it's related to the that goes on. If that's the case, then the guidelines the governs what the definition of dam is as it relates to the should be dependent on what the definition of dam is as it relates to going on the so that if said that if you cook or if you sought what does that mean? It means that if you would put that on in the context of a carbon you wouldn't be able to say it's a meaning that in order for there once you s it's not how do I know that cuz said that if you would eat the you wouldn't be bottom line is if it's not roy then obviously there's no habina that you should do something to the dam before you do the would make it not royal says the are very positive It's true that if you cook dam it's not royal and based on that if you salt them it wouldn't be royal as well but that's only if you salted a certain share but if you put a little bit of salt it wouldn't be a problem the was the mitzvah with a little bit of salt not enough salt to make it not royal based on the all the technicalities of yesterday's that is that does not have a mitzvah incidentally This is not really our but what's the connection between cooking them and salting them. It sounds like from the one and the same he says it's based on 101. So we know that if somebody would take and he would cook them together you wouldn't be able to eat anything because the bishel or the or the or the ble and plus that transfer from one to the other and as a result everything becomes off limits etc etc etc. The Gmorra says is so if you would salt two foods one is a dut and one is a daser the salt would be able to create the same chemical reaction that the bish does and just like bishel causes things to move from one place to another ble and plus so too malik has an ability to do the same thing and that's why in very often you find being treated like bishop this is an example is not thus is no is the same thing the watch Wouldn't that make the notes we just mentioned all of that if somebody cooks dam you're not and why not because it's not royal and the time of the why you're not let belongs on them so was saying from a says that if the dam became hard says the word hikah is a so if the dam became hard or you have which ordinarily is a solid it turned into a liquid meaning it doesn't matter how you eat the dam or how you eat the dam ordinarily is liquid but if you eat the dam as a solid ordinarily is a solid but if you eat the as a liquid you're going to be as well incidentally dam is a liquid liquid the when he brings the for the ra is and really at first glance it's because liquids their is usually reveal is liquids are rea if you look at the mentions the and what does the say the doesn't say the says being that the used So now the is going to be in what the is not the so when it comes to you have to figure out how you work out the liquid but the bottom line is is that the although the use and the is even but physically it's always a liquid now if it's a salad you shouldn't be no says the price it doesn't matter what's the the cash is why is how you going to do on dam that's solid it's not possible so it's not possible to do on it and the is to whether or not you can do that's why said that you're not anymore then what's the difference between and that was like it depends if it became came or if it came if it happened it's going to remain that way forever. Meaning if it was cooked and it became hard, it's never going to be old and done. Being that it's never going to be undone, it's never going to be royal. It's in that case that's said you're going to be part because right now you're eating dam that can never be royal. The Bryce that says you're going to be is talking about became son that's something that can be undone at some point in the future. It can be royal being that it can be royal over there and the gar explains even though it became hard and right and later at some point it can be okay but right now it's not okay and again if the is governed by the as it relates to so you have a 101 principle that you can apply in once something is pushed away once something is not even if the circumstances change at a f at a further date it doesn't matter it is always going to remain because once something is possible takes on a life of its own so let's say something was to and now it's not anymore for example let's say it was possible so now it's not so you say okay it was Tommy now it's not to no because once something was to it gets a life of its own it's known as literally pushed away and once you're pushed away you're pushed away forever so is that if being that at that status it wouldn't So we should say it's pushed away. If it's pushed away, even if the circumstances change later, it still shouldn't be okay. So why so why is even if it was something you're going to be for? In fact, the Gmorrah says, you see that previous already suggested told him so says was quiet. So he told him is an oxymoron, right? Maybe vad is for sure. So says to Bak, you have to take it either or but either way maybe the is maybe the is maybe the way to answer this again the B says you are going to be the thinks that's a says the GRA maybe the is one is if it was cooked with heat the other if it was cooked by the sun the says that doesn't work says maybe wasn't sure was the one that was saying he said maybe there's a between that goes on and that goes on he didn't really explain but the says you know what you just reminded me of something I'll tell you what I heard from that became hard if it's a reason just because it's hard a little bit doesn't mean you can't do but if it was you're going to be because of because the process of how the were done with the was different than the way it was done with there was a mitzvah of if you remember the in the first could be it could even be during the is like a big deal is a is a whole but either way you need to do it's not about so And whether or not this was dam is dependent on whether or not you could do if you cook dam it became hard now could you do could you not do so now the suggesting that maybe it depends on is this dam of a animal that goes on or is it that goes on if it's that goes on then the is that you could do that kind of you being that you can't do the you can't really do this so that type of them there wouldn't be a himself said that even though I heard this yeah saying this and and that's the way to reconcile but the bottom line is I disagree with the whole said it doesn't matter what kind of animal it is you're always going to be even if it's and even though the itself there's no way to do with so based on that there shouldn't be on this and the reason is because even though this particular is and there's no way for this to go on the in the way that you're supposed to do it. But it's for this to go on the and by the way maybe you could do it. I'm not sure. But either way, said that based on that if you have the dam of a donkey that you're going to be because once you want to go down this road and you want to tell me of even though you can't be with this particular but you could be it if it was dam that had a different to go meaning this is dam that theoretically just based on the physical status that it's in is albeit under different circumstances then say the same thing even though this is from it's never but and not only going to be even if it's so it's it's an estate where there was no way to put on the and certainly this is from the bottom line is for all d in the world as long as it's an estate estate we are physically it' be possible to put on the would be enough you be so either The the gist really of the first part of this morning's daff is that there's anam in the mentions makes a very big fuss about it. There he says if somebody is going to be if he does it it's one of the famous that's mentioned throughout the fame and and really it comes up a lot is a quintessential case of where if somebody eats it why what's such a big I mean somebody if you eat if you eat blood you're also going to cars. What's the reason for it? Gives a reason. Sounds like two punch lines, but the one that we need to make a punch line is because something that goes on and for it belongs to so to speak. It's like and now you're going ahead and you're eating it. So, it's very very it takes on a life of its own. That's why this is going to be of course the in that our discussed was that being that the of is related to the that goes on. So whether or not any particular glass of blood should carry this of will depend on whether this glass of blood is or it's not. By the way, even though only dam goes on the is relates to as well even of like the said for some reason where the is discussing it is what if the dam is hard or what if the dam was cooked that it's not how would that impact this why are we talking about it right now because there was a that there should be a and so essentially when you salt blood it's like you're cooking blood if cooked blood doesn't have an iso it means it's not it's not what was the mean and that gave a very simple terist very true but there's a certain shear of how much salt you have to put on something in order for it to be there was never to put that much salt was put a little bit of salt that would have been the knew that if you had salted at that point you'd say it wouldn't be anymore bottom line is that is the first part of this morning's do before we go V there it's interesting if you take a look at the rashi the Ramban Ramb quotes the and discuss in great detail why is it that the is so the ramban says something very interesting the ramban says that the is really related to something we've spoken a lot about in the d and that is a in par's so we know that was not allowed to eat any animals. Marishian was only was on a vegan diet. Essentially, he was only allowed to eat from the fruits and the vegetables, right? We know that wasn't allowed to eat from the but the truth is that the only thing that was allowed to eat was he was only allowed to eat from the fruit. But in terms of anything else, it was off the list. It was something that he was not allowed to eat. When did that change? It changed after left the table. The Pik says, Hashem tells that you're allowed to start eating from the animals. And he tells him that just like your predecessors were allowed to eat for you, you're allowed to eat whatever it is you want to eat. So there was a tremendous after they speak of that. Why is it all of a sudden Noah's allowed to eat animals? Other wasn't allowed to eat animals. It's because really the animals should have died by the animals deserve to die. Why were they saved? being that the animals only survived the as a result of they now owed their lives to so the animal now became to man and as a result man certainly has some domination over the animals now he's allowed to eat it that's what says that's says over here in par when he discusses the is he says that after hashem was mir to eat from the animals he was only m the b of the But the d of the animal remained. What were you supposed to do with the d? You're supposed to give that's butan somehow is relating the to the other had before the so before the you weren't allowed to eat any part of an animal. There was a after the now you're allowed to eat but the kdesh was only said this is a lumbus. The kdesh was only said with regards to the but with regards to the other parts of the animal such as the d and the of the parts of an animal that you're not allowed to eat they remained like they were. So this is related somehow to the so mentioning this just mentioned one nice this is actually and that is sometimes so over there it's a very interesting talk about and again versus now doesn't mean the same thing but the clearly from was frowned upon back in the day again it's not what we mean when we use in Mushian the word. But either way, one of the things says fascinating. So is not allowed to eat. If you take a look at this says is because in order to prepare kosh you have to go through and you have to know what you're doing and doesn't know these if you allow to to an animal and eat and it's going to be there's no way he's going to be able to execute this in a proper way and as a result we keep it simple you know how to eat meat you can't eat meat so you don't have to worry about these issues that's stating that I saw a beautiful maramin the revenu who was a Tal of the Ramb he brings this and one of his and he says so what's the he says dshad is because the only reason that we're allowed to eat meat is because we are somehow better than the animals so the fact that we're better than the animals that gives us a right to go ahead and eat meat but a person he has no right to eat from you know why because why am I better he says it's all because of this that we have over the behemoths and the kay that allows us to go ahead and do it. But to the extent that we don't act with that milo, right, the milo that we have is an option that we can exercise. It's something that we can tap into. But if you don't tap into it, then then you're not like that. The bottom line is is so if we act more than the animals. So we have over the animals similar to what is saying and in that case we have a right to eat from the animal. But to the extent that we don't we don't have either way the is very very like the says uses like the say in the you only find by that's the only other place by that's where you find this idea we'll see more about the later in the but for now it's it's a very thing it's related to it's even though is more but it very much relates to because the gives a time of the you don't have to be in here to be time of It's in the says that the reason is an interesting that seems to say that the it's a that related to the entire animal before the m either way blood whether it's moist liquidy whether it's dry Here I have that says that if it's not like there's liquid and this liquid is different levels of liquid. If it's 100% liquid of course it's notid. If it's a little bit dry meaning it's starting to dry it's even though it's not completely solid but once it start drying a little bit that's enough to say that it's already going to be. So we have here that is not stating that it depends on how it's interesting because comes up a lot and and there's there's cases that we've had and we've spoken at in the D and we've had conversations offline with some of the members some of the where at at first glance there seem to be on this idea of it could be this is a little bit of a mak because in the gar you see that there's levels of there's a dak that's there's a that's and really depending on the level of its that would determine whether in fact it's a or it's not a you can't go by this without speaking out just a very obvious as it relates to so blood that's is definitely inash discusses if somebody makes a bris on rash so when exactly are you supposed to do the the relative to and the he was a and he would do a so he was the he was also the he would first do the he would do the so he would have blood now in his mouth and right afterwards he would blow the because he wanted to be of the mitzvah together with the mitzvah. If you take a look at the and the and all the they say it's very nice. It's a beautiful herish that he wanted to be the dam together with. The problem is that dam is going to dry at some points and even if it's only a little bit dry it's already so wasn't that between his lips and the obvious so yesterday's weed a good part of the that discusses the so what do dashing yesterday. It says the word ma twice. It says the word carbon twice. We saw it was four rushes that were really three that were really two. It turned into a and one extra word carbon to tell me that even the needs it's only the part that went on. It's only the but the rest of the didn't have but yesterday the garbon carbon and the word now the is going to d the word. So if you look at the it says the word three times and then it says so the salt is mentioned four times in this that's two that's three that's four. So what do you need four mentions of salt could have said it once maybe twice but we know the idea. So what's all these talking about I would have thought what does that mean is going to explain you can't be I would have thought that is enough it has to be real salt so we'll see what that means in the when it says you have to take salt from the ocean but from a part of the ocean that never rests in Other words, it's it's part that you can always get the what's the salt of the ocean that's always accessible. Rashi says you don't have to mine. The salt ends up on the sides on the banks of the ocean. As a result, you can always get it's always available. So it's it's salt that doesn't rest. It's always available. How do you know if you couldn't find maybe that's salt that you do have to mine? that salt that is says the word and we learn from the salt is okay. Another thing we learned from the word is says even from which is interesting would have been that the salt has to come from if you're bringing a carbon the animal has to be animal if you take an animal from you import it into you can't bring it as a carbon so for example the had to be right it had to be something that grew in there certain things maybe that had to grow in but that salt should have to come from zakashi even from there would have been there would have been a not a very big either way you can salt even on it's carbon that's you can be the salt is as well either way says so the first part of the bra is said it says Timlak teaches me or that it can't it has to be real salt it can't be it can't be melim teaches me I would have thought is good. What does mean I would have thought that you should put so much salt on the animal meaning on this whether it's whatever it is it should be like the amount of straw that you put together with tit when you make cement it's the wrong word it should mean what the means is there would have been a put so much salt you should put like a layer of salt like you're building a building you put another layer of bricks put a layer of salt Maybe that's what the Bryce is saying when it says and I learned from the word that way should have said that says I would have thought you put very little. How little like the amount of bean people have. So it's interesting. So be for some reason the Gmorra is saying is you don't have that much bean but the little bit of bean is nice and tough. I mean it's not just but it's it's nice and tough. See it way. So I would have thought so little like Bina Timl that's what Timl teaches me. So Melik teaches me it has to be real salt. Bina teaches me I mean Bina teaches me teaches me that can't be like like you have to have more salt either way says how do you do it maybe you take the and you salt it then you flip it around and you salt it again you put it on the same is true when you cook now it doesn't mean you cook like that's the recipe that you should follow if you want to make your steak you know perfect medium rare what the gumar means is that when you salt food reasons so you have to do it you follow the same exact guidelines another salt that's on the is subject to so when you salt an animal the salt becomes part of the carbon and just like there's on a carbon there's going to be on the salt as well but if it's merely on the ramp Even if it's on the top of the master, how do you know that? How do you know this if it's on if it's on the carbon learn from a which talks of course about right is mentioned is mentioned is mentioned in so the says they craft them with so on the animal and then it says the so it sounds like the whole animals that's all part of the if it's an then it's going to be subject to the laws more actually says the rest of the story is the mission over there is discussing seven two of them were with regards to the mel and the specifically that that in the mikdash that's where they spent their 9 to5 so they were allowed to benefit from from the salt that was in the B mikdash and they were allowed to benefit from the wood that was in the B mikdashm said that even though there was a that are allowed to benefit from the salt and the wood which is a because it belongs to so belongs to and you benefit from just because you're doesn't mean you're allowed to be the so you're not allowed to personally benefit from it says you could it was a that the mel and the were allowed to benefit from it put a caveat to it said you have to read the fine print that's only for their carbon Nice says what does mean what does mean that's going to be the subject of the rest of the probably means that if they're bringing a carbon means a personal carbon says they're bringing their carbon and there's a you have to salt it so they don't have to buy their own salt and expense it they can use the salt that belongs to the mikt it's something that they're allowed to do when said that they weren't allowed to use it for it means they can eat their kachch and they want to put a little bit of salt on there right they were cooking food so they want to eat their they want to salt it a little bit that already they need their own salt they're not allowed to use the salt that belongs to but asks it can't be because we're going to see in a second the is going to bring up that got the skin of the animals right the skin of the animals always went to the kayan even was skinned before it was Koolaid call it on. So the animals got the skin, the kayan got the skins of animal. When they got those skins, they process, right? That's what they used to do. These skins were very valuable. So they would process them. They process them with salt. And as we'll see in a second, the khan were allowed to use the salt in the mdash to process these hides. Even though they were using it for themselves personally telling me that now they use it to eat, they can use it for that. At the time we learned of rice and there were three places in the bikto where you could find salt. Why those three places? Because that's where the salt that they got. That's what they would be. That's where they would sold. Bottom line is if they were allowed to use salt to process their hides certainly they should be allowed to use salt for again the say the should be able to benefit from salt and we're learning the salt now so they're allowed to benefit from the salt said only at first glance things means simple to be with their carbon what does mean they want the food to taste good instead of putting salt on their food. Incidentally had to put salt on his food, right? You weren't allowed to put salt on your food because that was the we spoke at yesterday is because anytime you nobody eats without salt. So if you don't eat without salt, you shouldn't give that to eat without salt also. That's even says they wanted to be closer to Hashem. said this was the consolation prize but says it's very nice but you want throughout refer he says that's why there's and that's why because nobody salts blood and nobody salts you salt food I mean that you salt food that people eat that's why it's over there that you have the so at first glance the have to do but the says it can't be that the were not allowed to use salt for Because if they can use salt to process their hides, it reasons that they should be able to use salt forbum. What does carbon mean? They were allowed to use it for their of their carbon. They were allowed to use it for their if they wanted to take the salt home and use it for they certainly can't use it. And this is based on two assumptions. Number one, can't take the salt home. Eli, you're gonna bring the right. You're gonna bring lunch. Could bring lunch, right? He says, "Yeah, he comes with a little lunch box. He wants to have he has a sandwich. That's what he's gonna No, of course not. Why not? We know that were allowed to eat and together with their and the reason they were allowed to do that is because there was a thatch had to be. Everybody knows that, right? when you're full. Now, that's not true. You have to eat before you're full because if you eat it when you're full, it's a problem. But the was you're supposed to eat it right before you were full and that was supposed to put you over the edge. The is supposed to make you full. Why? Why is supposed to be eaten? It's because a was a for the carbon pes once upon a time there was no ament they didn't steal the in the times of the mikdash because the whole a is a it's a forb the carbon pes was a carbon and like all carbon it had to be there's nothing special about the every carbonal is a is a a for the carbon and the carbon was a carbon which had to Now there happens to be that says that there's a special reason why the carbon was eaten because there was a lot of but you weren't allowed to break the bones. If you're going to sit down to eat the carbon pes you're going to be starving after a whole of preparing all your and running errands back and forth and forth and back. You're going to sit down now and you're going to may break a bone. So we want you to be calm when it comes to the carbon pes you're not even hungry so you're not going to break the bones. It's a much less but every single carbon every single carbon had to be and we learn from a that were allowed to eat to get them to the point where they were so when they now eat their eating it the way you're supposed to eat it which is right that's the that's the whole point so says the being that there is an idea of eating in a way and that's the it should be so I would have thought that maybe they can use the salt of for that. If you're going to tell me that in what was saying when said there was a when the said there's a based benefit from the salt. So said they could benefit but they can't benefit. We're trying to figure out what does carbonom mean? What does mean and what was the carbon mean? for the bringing a carbon. What does mean if they want to eat the the if that's what it means you need for that we know even was allowed to take the salt that was in the mikon. So why would you think is going to be different? I would think if somebody said and he has to bring salt, he should have to bring the salt from his house just like he brings the from his house. They didn't know the says and really if you think about it the person had to bring the So doesn't it make sense to say that the should be like I could see it a little bit there. I could spin the story a little differently. So the he had to bring the was provided to him. What about the meal? That's the sh the he had to bring the he had to bring the he had to bring he didn't have to bring. What about the do we compare it to? We compare it to is it more similar to or is it similar on the one hand salt seems to be more similar to because salt is just like it's only you can argue that salt is more similar to because the lev was in the same k as the as was the salt as opposed to which was never in the same ki as the so maybe it's less similar that's referring to the wood but the bottom line is is that you see that even a non aar who brought a carbon was allowed to take the salt to the bush the salt you didn't have to provide your own salt you have to buy your own wood and someone's bring your carbons so you have to stop carrying wood you don't have to bring the wood they provide ed that for him. That was one of the services that were provided. So if a zar had a carbon that he was bringing and one of the mitzvah of the carbon is is salted they provided in the mikdash the salt for the zar. If it's true for the it's certainly true for the ask what's this tonight that the are allowed to use the salt and is allowed to use the salt in the mikdash because we said it's we don't compare it to the we compare it to the clock not so if that's the case so if he's if the is allowed to use the salt in the md and the k's also allowed to use the salt so what does it mean that the k can use it for his carbon why should it be worse than my carbon means he can use it for his what can he not use it for? He cannot use it for why would you think he can use it for because there's a food that's working to facilitate. It's a little bit more than an ordinary even whose point is to get the to the point where he's going to be able to eat the you would have thought that maybe that type of is okay. It's not okay. Exhale. So before we end this week's fest over here in just wanted to go back to one and that is really the topic of the last four the discussed some of the mitzvah regarding and the said that all these mitzvah are notas mashk All these things even though they're ancillary to the of stating that they're not or at the very least it's not for it to be done and the said what seems to be one of the themes in the beginning of this which are the first words because the proves doesn't mean you don't have to do you have to do but means that doesn't have to be done by could be done by which implies that is not an if not if that's the opinion of it's any that's not he has no denies we'll see what that means in a minute only do you have the but otherwise you don't have any I quote and he mentions a whole list and the first mentioned is if it's an has to be done by incidentally I was thinking according to the we always speak out that even though but when a does it is it is an so could you argue that lava in the sense that a could do it. But at the same time, if a does do it, it is an is because there isn't that could be in a vacuum. Yeah. But therefore, you have to use the it's what do you I thought you didn't use that's if it does how we big when he does the does it it isn't would do the because even though so at first glance it would be a he says that's why only why not look at you have to do is doing it. So, so maybe say the same thing, but if a does it, it is an So, to the extent that if a does it, it is an then you can argue that a that's not he's also not being because if HE DOES IT, IT WOULD BE an I think it's a but either way either way either way. So the so what does it mean that is not so doesn't say anything but if you take a look in says so what does this mean this is not this says in his heart that carbonus is he it's it's silly hashem never said unbelievable this coin that's essentially he's a doesn't even say made it up yeah gave the 3,300 years ago other mitzvah but it's he doesn't believe in it this isn't just He's a and a had a very special place in once upon a time if you learn we learned them together where the it's not so simple with what the the implications of a that's go way beyond they transcend merely the fact that he doesn't get the it's it's there's a lot more than that you can kill him potentially right once upon the speaks that in the beginning of of very famously that why these is not as why you see and I'm an aren't you say because the whole idea of dealing with an was to be says once upon a time it was so clear to the world that it was a who created the world and the words was something that everybody understood and accepted every civilized person got and understood was true and if somebody denied that this he was a person that everybody realized needed to be dealt with and if you dealt with him you would be but says that imagine somebody would do that today you would go ahead and someone who doesn't believe what you believe in you'd kill him and think about the come from this he says it would be so counterproductive the whole idea of dealing with the min is to be says unfortunately the world is devolved and the way we it wouldn't be aesthet and and I mean current of fears. So as a result being that it would be the greatest doesn't work. But the bottom he just doesn't get the that's it. He doesn't get he's he's a he's a it's much more serious now in his brings rashi and he brings and says I think maybe you could say a different and if this is something that didn't say I don't think we'd be able to say but listen to what says he says we know that there's a in the where the says that the The reason was with the mitzvah of was because when were they everybody knows that from the from the night but the truth is take a look at the when they were and wanted to remove them from the steeped in when they were so what Hashem did was he said that I'm going to give you a safer that's going to involve involve carbon. It's going to involve and the tas of those carbon is going to be to be the person. It's going to be to remove the person so that you should distance yourself from that you and now you're going to go ahead and instead you're going to start you you'll you'll that's the way you're going to remove yourself. But says the you think Hashem really needed really didn't need it and that's why you find so many where because that that's not the punch line. There's no real that Hashem has from a carbon. Really the whole purpose of carbon was to take the yidden who were shak they were steeped in a des but in theory if there was no need for it we wouldn't have it because the whole purpose of was to be mighty the tip at the time who believed in that was the whole that's where began and that's where it ended if you take a look at the incidentally if you want to see it inside it's involv And it's an so this part of the RAM everybody knows it's quoted over and over and over again. But if you go through the Rambam the way the Rama went through it in detail he says that's why you'll find all the details in kachen it's all related to this idea. So for example a carbon had to be brought either from a sheep or a goat or from cattle. Why sheep? Cuz sheep was the mitzvah. So the mitzvah worshiped the sheep. They would never take a sheep and give it as a carbon to the contrary. That's what they worship. That's why the whole carbon is so we go the goat it's also in the used to worship the Rash says the was considered to be the the living embodiment of the whatever it was but the bottom line is that the people that worship demons they used to worship sheep I'm sorry they used to worship goats so the soy which is a goat they used to worship as well thus what do we do fet we don't worship the goat we take the goat which is their rabbi des and we bring that as a carbon he says cattle they used to worship as well he says today medina is which I believe is India they they still do that they still worship cows so says the says the ram in the in the says you want to know why it's sheep and it's goats and it's cows cuz we're going punk fak from what they used to do because that's the whole purpose the whole purpose is to be he says that by the way the says you want to know what kind of animals the used to bring he says I quote lions beers. That's what they used to bring. But regardless, we do just the opposite. Imagine bringing a beer as a carbon. Right. You're right. It's the antithesis of what of what is. That's that's its whole point. It's supposed to be the antithesis. Then the says that that's why you not let the dam goes on says they used to drink the dam. Just the opposite. They would drink it. They didn't put the dam. They would drink the dam. So what do we do? And that's where the Ram speaks out what we mentioned earlier. He says that's why it's you find that you find because really the is related to that's what it's all about. We take the dam we put it ON THE WE DON'T DRINK THE DAM. We're coming full circle for what used to do and if you do it the way did you're missing the whole boat. It's 101 and as a result that's why you find the shness that you find. He says they used to bring the as well but you know had a few very interesting characteristic trait number one it was always had to be number two there was always honey number three there was never salt what is says ra says he researched this he's quoting when he's read this says the rama what do we do it's just the opposite he says it's all to go and the raom takes this theme and he runs comes with it. It's in the beginning of brings the and he refers to it as I don't have it in front of me so I don't want to guess theness but but he says speaks very very shar and he and there the punchline of the Ramban is is that the Ramban is taking thee and he's making it mul HE'S MAKING IT DISGUSTING THAT THIS IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT CUZ THERE were silly people there were fools that used to worship Alazar and and to be that that's the whole and then the then says and and the punch line is the says so if the says then I thought doesn't have anything from it I thought it was all because there was a need for it so we're addressing a need that this is what we're doing is it or is it just here simply to address says that I saw the is not the Paris he brings a from the rail we don't have time to go through this now but if you take it's from that ra believed there was something to tob the rack so clearly he must have believed there was something to it even though we don't fully understand it but the acknowledged there was something to it so he says how to reconcile it here's the punch line that says What does it mean? Ash said it means he's a he can't be a baker because if he's then the ramifications go way beyond simply the fact that he doesn't get says you know what it means it means I'll read it to you inside any person that thinks THAT that's us Meaning if somebody thinks that the ram and the is meant to be taken literally, he's that guy.