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Today's is and we are at the Mishna seven lines from the bottom of today's being learned from today's also being learned as that you find. So we're moving along in the first parac learning sugos that are from the in the world of kachen. We're learning sugos that pertain to but also have an equivalent fear of inv. Thus, we're learning sug that's one of the bigger sugas in it deals with the idea of pickle and some of the ancillary that govern and undermine the laws of pickle. So, just a tiny bit of an introduction. Now when we learned pigle for the first time invim it required a more comprehensive introduction. Now that we're several months into we said already we're already holding to I don't think we need a comprehensive introduction to but just super duper high level as it relates to if doing the and he did one of the critical with to do either the rhyme that's considered a and the is going to be possible stating that there's an between whether the had a to do the aforementioned or if he had in mind to do those avoid the carbon is possible but not only is the carbon possible the carbon becomes pigle What's the ramifications of a carbon that's piggle? If somebody eats a pigle, he's going to be it's as if he ate. It's as if he ate on this person is going to be in the event that the he had was not that's way less severe. over there the carbon's going to be puzzle but as it relates to it becoming a stick pigle so that if somebody eats from that won't be the case. It's for that reason sometimes you find that only is referred to as pigle and is not referred to as pigle. It's because as it relates to the latter of pigle that if somebody eats from it it's piggle and as a result that's something that pertains to that's not something that pertains to so just to get this clear as it relates to the as it relates to the ple there's no difference between they're both one and the same the fact is a heckish that governs a lot of these sugis that compares the denim you find and vice versa. We is whether or not it's going to be a stick piggle from the standpoint that if somebody's going to eat from it, is he going to be cars? Another that we saw featured very prominently in the sug is that the only time a person can make a piggle pickled to the extent that if somebody had a and now he eats from the he would be is if other than the pickle everything else about this was what's known as it was if however there's another issue with this carbon for example it was for example he had another in the event that there's something else wrong with this carbon then the is even if he had a but if he eats from the carbon the carbon is not going to be possible now to be clear it's going to be possible it's going to be possible because there's another anyways and besides this idea of doesn't get in the way of the of making the carbon possible. where it plays a role where it rears itself is as it relates to the idea that a carbon that's pigled if somebody eats from it is going to be that's only true if it's if everything else was and the one thing that's not okay is the fact that he had but if there's something else that's wrong anyways with this carbon the carbon is going to be possible but as relates to this that's not something you're going to have so this that we just did on the basic concept of pigle is as pigle relates to what about as it relates to that is going to be the topic of the mishna that we are going to learn right now. So without further ado, a longishnah that mirrors almost verbatim are looking at this from the perspective of our is going to look at it from this perspective of if a did on a carbon and while he did the he had a bad he had he had or he had a mind not to eat all the but only of the or while he was doing the he had a mind to be the or he had a mind to be only a he had a mind he had a mind to be noticed by doesn't say anything about kazi says the reason is because it's a that holds you don't have to be in order for it to be considered a and it's for that reason we don't mention the bottom line is in all these cases it's going to be there's not going to be of so this is a who did a with a to eat or to be the or only a kaz of the oras of the what does mean if A person has a is it a if you eat from it there's not going to be as a result this person will be now someone that the garbon but at the same time if somebody would eat from the he wouldn't bear now the Mishna was talking about where he had the while he was doing the why would that be an appropriate place to have the because the is one of the four critical aid as it relates to in fact the kit to the mka parallels the to the that's what was the of the he had what's he doing? He's either eating the shirim or he's being macked to the eating the is the equivalent of in a ze eating the basar and being the is the equivalent of it's the equivalent of being it's also the equivalent of doing the because we know that really wears two hats regardless this is a pit equivalent thereof case of which we know applies to the mission What would it be if while this was doing the he had a mind not what we know as right is today is tomorrow or not the entire but only again by doesn't say anything about the isle in those cases it's going to be of course and you're going for eating from the as well. Why over there is it even? Because now it wasn't says this is the rule. If someone does the or he takes the and he puts it into a cliche or he does or he does the eat or to be something with it's what was in the that we didn't have in the first part of the Mishna the first part of the Mishna only talked about where the person had while he was doing the right in the case of and in the case of this bad is taking place is saying that it's not only true for the what do those four have in common they're the four critical avoid as it relates to the is the equivalent to the is the equivalent to the is and is the equivalent of So if a would have any one of these while he did not only the but even during one of the other three critical same continues and says but there's another rule as it relates to and that is you have to make sure that all the other boxes as it relates to this carbon check everything else was okay and that the only thing wrong with this carbon is the fact that you had it was an example of so the Mishna gets wordy in the event that the was done meaning without a pelis by the way the word we've mentioned this in the past always sounds like the way a piselis works is like throughout if however the way that pelis happens is simply the so the opposite of having a bad is not talking right would seem to be then a little bit of a misnomer but either way in the event that the was and then he did the latter three or he did and he did the other or he did All of these examples, these are examples of carv. Why? Because at the end of the day, the only soul that you have right now in this carbon is the pickle. And by the way, notice even in a case where you did multiple with but it's all and as long as all the you had that's considered what's an example like but the other was the way you read this is as long as one of the that's the point that's an example of why because over here in addition to having the there's also the is in and it of itself a reason for the carbon to be possible. Therefore it comes out there's another for the carbon to be possible. It's the only issue the exclusive issue is not there's also problem this is one of the basic rules of if it's you're not going to be of Mishna gives another example of how it could be in the event that the was being brought was either the so what does the have in common that's the first those are examples of where would make the carbon possible. So in the event that that's the was being brought the other three and again here too or as long as one of the four that's an example like because again here too in addition to the also it's like be possible meaning what does it mean that means where everything was done perfectly with the exception of the so if one two three and the only issue here is the that's going to be pigs if however one two three or is also so in addition to the also have another carbon fle it's more possible but at At the same time, it's not going to be pickled. is not going to be of course another in the event that the co did a and he had to eat a or he had in mind first and then the or he had in mind to eat the half or get he did half and half but he did in the reverse order in all these cases is that it's going to be why so in the case where you had a to do a reason it's because even though you had a mind to do a he had a mind to do which is and a case where it was even more posit and as a result comes out your therefore it's going to be of course again but in terms of that not one last said let me tell you the rule walked into and he said, "I have a fundamental different understanding of how the laws of works." Let me tell you how we learned in it in the event that was because there was as long as the man came first and I don't care that afterwards you had which makes it like if however the came before the then it's like carv Thus, it's going to be possibly aimed by that's the only time it's going to be aimed by said like they said up until this point in the possib or vice versa in all situations is it's going to be possible. This is a a very prominent of where agrees to the but he says the only time something becomes is if first you had the other then you had the so by the time the came to descend upon this carbon it already found there there was already a oh I thought I was uh the first man in turns out it's possible That's when you have to commit. But if when the piggle descends on the carb and he's the only game in town later another jumps on the bandwagon well guess what once it was of at that point there's not going to be of so what's the very very brief of the longer of the we'll see in the course of the and the raid but what's the very brief just like there's a concept of when it comes to there's a concept when it comes Just like the idea of when it comes to it's as well just like there's an idea of when it comes to as well just like in terms of the definition of here as well just like of is when it comes to when it comes to as well. Again, this Mishna was stating that there is a here that is not invi. So before we start this first gamarra, we just have to refresh our memory regarding an in that we saw a lot about in some of the previous and that is so did a after he did the kit a little bit of the got lost. It's missing. You don't have the original sh that you had at the time that you originally brought the milk at the time that you even did the kumitz. So a little bit of the not a little bit of the a little bit of was and it became so what's the holds that is dead on arrival. It's not there's and according to this is true at the time they do the all the way until the time that you do the you can have a and if you have a that's going to be an issue said that it's true at the time that you do the can't be but once you do the at that point if you want to go ahead and you want to be mocked the is going to be okay. Now you have to have a kazas of shirim and that's because of course holds like Yeshua who holds a main which has an equivalent thereof when it comes to as well but from the perspective it's not going to be considered a stating that we saw that had a discussion it was a holy and what came out was that even though holds that but at the same time you're not allowed to eat those which if you think about it means that when you have a and now you're going to be which is this is going to be like an interesting type of because it's going to be otherwise you're not being mit But at the same time it's not going to be miracle backdrop to today's is this tweener type of how do we view it from a perspective on the one hand it's a real you can't deny that but at the same time you see it's deficient because so the question is how exactly how exactly do we view That is the general backdrop as it relates to the actual. So according to the holds that was you can go ahead and give me by the way we can put a name to the face. Who is the great the we know that was the even though they themselves are going to be what's the shil is actually twofold that right now which is not going to be is that a good to be a piggle A B is that a good actor to be mafia to be mafia. Now if you take a look at rashi rashi learns the shilas of the in a little bit of a if you take a look at the mukbat says the mukbat says has what would seem to be a more mikra in terms of just touching the words of the gumar understanding of what the gamar sh is. I saw in the brisk shurim they bring that the briskar was very very matmia he had no havo in terms of how rash he got his shot in the words of the gumar not just that the briskob is that the raya not the way learns the but the way that the mkubet learns the so you know what's coming next we're going to learn the bashem the way the mubatas learns the way the said is the of the words of the gamar and the way he was the learned the gamar as well So the gammor is clearing two shots. We know that this ro is the most critical part of a carbon which means the equivalent thereof when it comes to is the most critical part of a truth is that depending on if you're dealing with it wears a lot of hats. It does a lot of things. Number one it's how you get. So if someone was and he had to bring a card and he walks into the and he hands it over to the he does a and something happens and it's right before the well the person is not going to get anyap even though he did everything up until that point theapit comes from the same as when it comes to the ma it comes from the octar. The first hat that and the wears is that it's the additionally it's also a matter when it comes to the m so one of the things it does is it's a matter another thing that does is it makes what does it mean it makes we just learned the mishna the mishna says that the only time A carbon could become pigle. So that is if it was means you have to have a perfect carbon other than the fact that during one of the you had a well perfect carbon means you did a or you did the four as it relates to so really what crunches the deal what closes to say now it's going to be that it's only if you did the fourth after you did the previous three but the bottom line is this andas Another thing that it does is it's another thing that does and that is it's right we said it's matter okay but it's even more intense than just being m because we know wakes up in the morning with very very It's which is and by definition it's either way with regards to two of the functions of that handling it in the context of regarding two of the functions of a the fact that it's of a piggle and b the fact that it's what would be if at the time It was that but at the same time the so it comes out that this is a deficient that the should be could it be of it not what did the tooth start them I mean it's very obvious this is like a an easy on the one hand it's on the other hand It's it's a limited because usually is not being okay just because it's not doesn't mean it's I mean maybe it could be this was the grace of that. So the says handled the sh a little bit and they came out on two opposite sides of the spectrum. is raun first he said even accord so what does this mean for this we also have to go down memory lane so we know is between truth is a whole with debated what exactly the case of the between but we'll see that Aragamar is picking sides and that's soy and is learning the sh was as follows. The sh is what would be if at the time that the obviously there was a little bit of bus that was the question is is to be the from that bus I sounds to me but let's put that aside as it relates to the if someone has a from it you would have to bring an elo right maybe right this is a very serious parish So do we say that is even or not? So we're talking about where didn't come back in and now it's it's physically said like this. You want to know? I'm going to tell you my opinion. I even accord that holds that. So you see already there's a that can take away the that's what that's humbling over there. take away the even for something that's very from any in the so you can make the argument that when it comes to which is the equivalent to the maybe should work to go ahead and at the very least be mighty from this but says I think it's even would say It's there's nothing wrong with the of the other than the fact that it's in the wrong place. Right? There's three issues with it. Location, location, location. But there's nothing bad wrong with it. It's a nice piece of meat. It's you could eat it with mustard and you'll be the problem is it's it's but the only thing wrong with it is its location. There's nothing inherently wrong with it. But as relates to whatever is wrong with it is wrong with it wouldn't work and if it wouldn't work to be it wouldn't work to be said I think this is not going to work or equipment this is not going to work it's not going to work it'sn't there I think this is so different yeah there's nothing wrong with the boss over here there's something wrong with the actual I I see just the opposite. Even accord that's only true where the is not meaning it's it's right it's far away and as a result is not but as it relates to the where it's right and by the way if you think about it we're handling as it relates to the that we do have right we're not that we don't care we don't have we don't We're handling the kaik that we do have. So that we do have is sitting right here. It had another of it that's gone. We're dining on the that's here. That is I think that it's going to be okay. So the bottom line is it was according to is not going to work. according to is gonna work just for an extra they said that by the way don't confuse this with the and they both said it in the extreme way said that this is not going to work by and said that it's going to work here with regards to the But again, as it relates to the according to the where you were the but does not have the ability to be a pigle doesn't have the ability to be whereas according to it does have the ability to be a pigle. It does have the ability to be here comes the fun part of the to this. So again, we're going to go through the words inside words just even the make it you know more complicated than it even is and will try to uh understand it. So said what's my that this could be a pigle and it could be I know it from our said the opening words of the Mishna and then the Mishna continued and said etc etc and then the Mishna even continued right I'm speaking that's all path you have to go through these rashies then even gave a and said that even though the initial of the regarding was said only is true for any one of the critical as it relates to either way. So when the Mishna set up the laws of first it set it up regarding right then it pivoted to the it's not only true for the but it's true for all the as well. Right? That's the highle setup of the Mishna. There was another nuance in the Mishna. We didn't make a big deal about this when we read the Mishna because we were saving it for later. And that is the Mishna said that when the person was he didn't have to have a mind to eat all the when he had a mind to be the he have to have a mind to be mocked all the even if it was a kaz of the it said it regarding which is regarding which is made a very big deal about the kaz interestingly when theishna in the mentioned for But it's true for the other as well. It said of course didn't mention one word about but in the ratio regarding with regard to we mentioned that it's not only true if the was to do all of it but it would be true even if the was only to do a kaz of it. Okay fine. stating that had a Bryce. Well, we know Bryce is from Balas. So had a Bry and Bry he mirrored the of the Mishna. But there was one learned as follows or what did he omit? He left out the words. So Rabba said that I had this huge dick that always uh intrigued me that in he left out one he had the Mishna word for word verbatim. By the way he had the safe of the also. There was one between in the he added the words that not only if you had mind. Now if you had in mind for some reason those words those words left out now just speaking this out explains it understood that there's no way held that the of pigle as it relates to a ma is only true if you had in mind to be ma or to eat there's no sh over here it must be a question the poetic symmetry there must be a reason that just in the poetry of the doesn't like so much the word whereas the he has no problem he has no problem with the word right and this is again all part of what's intriguing because says I know there's no over here what would be the this is all there's a poetry sh over here that the has no issue or prefers mentioning the word kazas whereas is is abstaining from it. No, absolutely not. We cannot have the word kazayas over here. Right? So the question is why right? So again we need a lot of help of we read the words inside but then we'll explain it way explains it. So said what's again this is what intrigued why did not mention the word. So it says you know what I'm thinking the reason must be as follows. the because when you say kaz when you say the word the wordas can mean two things the word kazas can mean that you have a that's doing the and he has in mind to eat a kaz of what's there or to be a kaz of what's there but it can also mean something else the word kazayas can mean that everything else is gone everything else was and all you left with is kaz meaning both kazayas can mean I have all the and I'm having mine to eat or it can mean the only thing I have now understood that the word can go both ways now and being that as it relates to there was no way for him to say why was there no way for him to say because it wouldn't be sh as we'll see in a minute to have the idea of in the second where all you have is the kaz. So it's for that reason. So it's for that reason for the poetic symmetry purpose he didn't want to have any mention of either. So again what exactly does this mean? So let's take this even from the top. When the Mishna says, what does the word kazas there mean? We said that kazayas can mean one of two things. It can mean that you have a full share and you're having a mighty or to be maz of it. Or it can mean that all you have is the kazayas. The truth is in that part of the Mishna it has to mean that the full shir is there and that you're having your mind only to eat or to be m the kaz. What's the reason for that? The reason is very simple. The reason is because if all you have is the at the time of the that means the was a and a that's a is a and it's like the wouldn't be able to say that if it was it's going to be all of so over there for sure the only thing can mean is I have the full I'm having from the full to so where the Mishna says the word that's part of the reason this is a little tricky there's really only one way to learn it. Rashi speaks this out. There is no other way to learn it. Stating that being that the Mishna started off talking when the Mishna in the says. You have to say that those are also true in the event of those are also true in the event of where you had in mind to do only a kaz. Now in those cases the word kazas could maybe mean not only a kazas of what you have but it can mean where all I have is a kazayas. For example, in the part of the that's just that we already said that has to be talking about where I have the full and I had a mind to take from that but that's already talking about right you could go ahead and you could be if I could So that means the fact that all I would have is a kaz wouldn't make the CARBON PLE RIGHT EVEN AS LONG as I have a kaz that in of itself is going to be okay. So there the tight of the word kazayas could actually mean two things. It could mean I had a mind to take a kazayas. I mean I had everything there and my kavan is I'll take a kaz or it can mean that all I have left is a kaz. Right? So I could be marish one way I could bearish in another way. Let's say this a little bit better in the on the part of the what is and I didn't even say kaz but say in the ratio so again you have to cut and paste you have to assume it's here in the AS WELL ON THE PART OF THE WHAT IS the word kaz that it doesn't say mean it means one thing it means I have the full I'm having kad on the kazay on the part of the za cloud Well, when it says kaz, which it really doesn't say, but where it says kazas, what does kazas mean? It can mean two things. Said in poetic symmetry, I'm very not comfortable with this. I don't like the fact THAT THE WORD KAZAS in one clap one quarter of the cloud means one thing and clappy the other threequarters of it can mean something else. This in hil's poetic symmetry makes me super uncomfortable. And as a result of I'm not even mentioning the whole word in the Mishna. I'm not going to say it in the ra even though means one thing but I'm not going to say it in the ratio because if I said in the rat it's it's implied in the whole Mishna doesn't clapically of course I know all these yeah it's there's no sh here these are in but at the same time at the same time said I don't like the fact that the word kaz is all planted and therefore I'm just going to leave the word out What did hold? Why? What's the big deal? I'm going to mention the word in the it's going to be understood that it applies to the and it's going to apply one way as it relates to and it's going to apply another way as it relates to the other three. But the bottom line is at the end of the day this is not something I'm going to have an issue. So rebel looked at he had the most subtle of the yukim. Why did he leave out THE WORD? HE IT'S NOT AIC REASON MUST be a poetic symmetry reason. What's the poetic symmetry? This must be the nuda. If that's the case, if that's the case, said I have a because you know what I then see from the I see from the when the Mishna said, not the part, this is the punch line that we need. It's talking about even if you had a on a even when all you had WAS A if you have a even though but at the same time is going to be if it's going to be it's also going to be this is not the easiest in This is how I know, right? Let's see it inside of you. See, clearly the works. Now, just to speak at one point, it's going to explain the gumar that we just learned a little bit better. Even though we survived, let's just go. But it really segus into the next part of the in order for Rabba to say what he said, he had to bring into the fold, right? Why did he have to bring into the fold? Why did Robert need why didn't Robert just say very simply the is talking about which means is talking about Kazayas can mean one or two things. So you see even where all you have is a pick. The reason he couldn't do that is very simple because how do you know when the mishna says gaz it means two things maybe means where you have the full it's not a and you're only being on a and by the way that's what it means where it says in the first part of the because if it's talking about where all you had was a where everybody holds would be a problem. So for sure that's what's going on. So maybe we're talking not about him and said there would be no issue. He sorted because got away from the world. Why? Because he felt I don't want to get involved in that. That means felt that for sure if in that can mean that I only have the then that is what it's going to be and that as it relates to that is what it means and for it's not what it means and for those it is what it means. So it's poetic symmetry. It's for that reason he's not going that that route. Was the one that was megalos was one that was megalas that when the says oras it means even if all you have is see he said the mission is talking about even and it says Clark's pickle. So you SEE THAT THAT HAS THE ability to be pickle without having this conversation. What we having with well here's the segue. Did ever say this? Of course, he didn't say this, RIGHT? HE DIDN'T SAY anything literally. He just omitted a word. He just didn't say the word. Now, Ra was very intrigued. And Ra said, "Wow, why would not say the word?" He started pondering it, meditating over it, claring about it. And this is what he came out. This is how he came out. Here's the bottom line. There's another way to learn. And if there's a way to explain that the reason didn't say kaz is for some other well then that's going to undermine the whole of and by the way who's going to come now and introduce another mahalik of how maybe you could understand we know who it is if ra is the and now there's a bala that's going to enter the discussion of course it's none other than the great so the said oh so turned to and he told him I don't know if I agree with your hopes. This is your This is not a could be is it's not it's not like Rafuno said ah you're from you want to know why didn't say the word it's not because of poetic symmetry it's because of right we're taking for granted Rashi makes a big deal about it if you go through the rashis innovating which is recommended but if you see it inside you'll see rashis makes a big deal there was never a mis here inic accuracy between and it was in poetic symmetry right I think the reason that took out the words is from aic accuracy perspective because he held it's not true if you have a toz only of the that would not be an issue you know Because when he taught his he was teaching it in line with the time we're going to this is the laws of not just over an idea that we already know and that is that really the the mirror a little bit the laws of and the laws of right every is really to Every is really to make right the two are related to each other. Good. Hold that thought. So all the affformentioned types of if somebody would be says until you the entire thing and if you're not the entire thing so in that case you're not going to be So comes out that if his in line with so could not he didn't have the option to say the word as relates to why not because it's not true if you would be of the you would not be because according to is only if you do the whole thing which means of is also only true if you did the whole thing. Now that's only true or that's only a reason why couldn't say the word as it relates to being a what about eating of there's no laws over there. It's true. But again for this already there's a poetic symmetry that being that as it relates why well if that's the case as it relates to he didn't want to say it either it sounds like that if he would have right that for sure would be a problem that also shouldn't be enough. He should have to have a mind to be the if you have that has which is almost all the so in the event that somebody would go ahead and be of one of them he would say unless you go and you're m of both what's the then even if you had a mind to be macked to the entire even that wouldn't be enough for it to be considered a because again the mirrors the laws of and by you'd have to be m and could be the of was not the of an ordinary which has it was the which does not have it doesn't have so then there is no lev to be spoken if it was a regular that also has said even if you were talking about where there was there was no Rashi says what does it mean usually means like double right but is being is like an expression why would he fancy which sounds like it's laying down the of pigle as it relates to why would he be talking about a case of right Just like a funny thing and again if were the same but it's not to say and as a matter of fact what emerges is that never even told me the of how you when it comes to a regular he missed out A VERY CRITICAL POINT that you would have to have a mind to be not only the as well because so the whole thing is very funny. So the says the best answer in yeah that's it. Yes, absolutely. For whatever reason, this is the way we want to do it. Right, he said over the name of the rabbel that it is either way. held that if you have what about with regards to pigle what about with regards to and the way we explained that the says what's the sh is this a good to be is this a good to be initially it was a between rauna and rava rafuna said no ra said yeah raa said me no He had this whole big in was with and as a result if you're going to go now and plot the names again you're going to have Rahuna and Abaya who both say no and it's Raba that says yeah we're going to stop it. So as it relates to raid just one and that is so one of the topics of the Mishna one of the topics of the of pigle is that there's a of that the only time something becomes pigle to the point where it's going to be of is if it was but if it was like so then the is it's going to be possible of course but it's not going to be a situation where you're going to be in all of cars and the Mishna gave a whole bunch of examples of when it's and when it's additionally we mentioned in the introduction to the D that this Mishna over here has a an equivalent thereof a mirror image Mishna which is where the Mishna there too goes through the same exact of needing regarding And the mission gives examples of and the mission gives examples of of what is the of so it's a it's a middle of a very very long where the ising all the different words in the par of pigle one of the things it says regarding pigle was. But it says the word that it says the word we're talking about. How do you get you get by doing four good? So too when it comes to pigle you also have to do four good aidas. What do you mean by definition I didn't do four good avoid? That's true of the you would have to have a situation where you went ahead and you did four good aidas. But the point is is that as long as you have the that's when you're going to have a pig and if however you don't even have because even there's other issues there's other problems with this it's not going to be okay. The price continues. I'm skipping four lines. It says also in the words right again. What does it mean? It's all part of the you can't be any other. This is the Marta idea that if the is doing the he would have another that other would be it would knock out the entire pickle. It wouldn't be for all of the brisk. I don't understand. I'm learning this gam over here. I have two that seem to be saying the same thing. I have to have without the that's the only way this car could be. Then we have what does it mean? If you would have a bad what does it mean you have a bad in addition to the think but the point is if you would have another bad THAT WOULD KNOCK IT OUT the once I know there's why do I need a second of to go ahead and teach At first glance, it would seem to be two that are teach me the same thing. Now, to be clear, the first of is way more encompassing than the second of says that there can't be anything wrong with this carbon. A, you have to do the and B, there can't be anything. It has to be a perfect with the exception of the so is very very encompassing is not so encompassing. What does say if there's another right that's the concept because if you have another bad it's going to undermine the entire pickle. So the cash is not why do I need to have the cash is why do I need if I already have so in they say over that the briskar said two mahal to answer this kasha the first mahalak that the brriskarov said was that we know has a mera in kim we just saw it a few days ago that the only time a is considered a palis is if it was said that in the event that a would have a and then by the he would go he would have ava of that of would not make the possible because once you had a ready of so it comes out then now the cababala is not a dar Because the cababala is a cababala. If that's the case, the you have is not a real if it's not a real said the brisk would be no problem. What does it mean? What it means is that there's another thing that I did wrong. What you do wrong? You had a that was not ava that has any impact on the carbon. You know why? because you already had a and once you had a not and it's for that reason it's not going to be okay now it's a little what the is saying because usually you would say if I didn't have the what would be then it would have been and then it would be but the said it's for me that's not the way you look at it the way you look AT THIS IS THERE OR ANOTHER THE ANSWER IS NO Because after the was done with is actually not because there's a says it has to be another says at the end of the day IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT a that really even has the ability to make the carbon possible because at this point it's coming it's not That's the second. This is what briskarov said in his first mahal. Second mahal they say in chair is that the brisk said that it would regarding a of he said why he said because this mim to say being that you find that and are considered right thearif with regards to the right you find a lot of things that they have in common with regards to the different suggest that being that it's that although it's of so just like it's the maybe if you would have a it would be of the and it could be AVOID doesn't meaning say it even a little bit better if you would have a do with a right that's not a problem of possibly we just saw in the that we learned this morning why because at the end of the day it's all even if it's a second but it's all and being so to say that is one and the same you can't end of the day it's an it's for that reason it's going to be possible these are the two that said in they say that the fear and he said that why because according to the first what's the is that once you have a he said the second is already if it's doesn't the sauce puzzle that's why you have to come on to a noob of well that's only true if first you had the and afterwards you had the what would be if it was in the other way around that you wouldn't have to come on to because being that that came first so at the time that you had that bad was so you would be of the second of the is that it's only that they have to come on to but as a race you wouldn't have to come on to the second but it would be but of brisk an unbelievable to this and that is that we know Yehuda we saw it in the Mishna this morning and of course it's also mentioned in the as relates to the of according to the only time there's an issue of is if first you had the other and then you had so first you had or first you had a then you had a pickle what would be if it was in the reverse order. First you had and then you had so would be different right the way says it in the course I don't care what had afterwards if however came before then it's poss No. Either way, it's like it's verbatim. It's word for word. That is says which came first. Did the man come first or did the other come first? If you take a look at the parish on it's in the perish that's known as on the Mishna in the second in the in the Mishna it's says the for someone to teach me that he gets says the guy that what's in that says that if the man came first or if the other came first it's you hear this theor says that if someone has a he's going to get malus and how do we know he gets malus? He gets mal because it says it's for that reason said that said that if the came first that's going to be a problem like if however the came first then it's not going to be a problem of and at first glance the words of the are very it's very what's meaning what does it sound like the go's trying to say it sounds like what the go's trying to say is that how do you So according to taken because he DOESN'T HAVE SO IF HE DOESN'T HAVE says for that reason can't hold that if you had man first it's going to be a problem of of but here's the problem at first glance if doesn't hold of so malif has man came first mal if the the came first either way you don't have the either way you should be out so they say is the brisket from the brisk ask why do I need it says why do I need a new typically what say the first terrorist that the only time would be An issue would be if first you had the bad and then you had the because then when you had that other it was it was and being that it was so now when you had the if however first you would have the then already by the time you had the second of it comes out it's Not if it's not there's no problem. That's why he said we had to come on to a new right sometimes we fetch into the guy and this is clear what the guy is say it's posh there's no other way to learn the guy HOLDS BUT HE DOESN'T HOLD the reason why not the reason he doesn't hold because it's who because IT SAYS THAT IS taken to teach me already the teachers and as a result as relates to this where the would knock out the pickle out which is learned from that is going to be too we have to come on to the that is not going to be masked to so if you had first the first of and then you had a of where there at the time that you had the IT WAS A RIGHT now that if you're later going TO DO THE NEXT IS pickled it's going to be if however first you would have the and then you would have the at that point it's already it's a bad it's over there. There's no problem nor is a NEW THERE'S A SC THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE new of who doesn't have the that's why is going to hold it as it relates as it relates to a situation where first he had and then you had the other at that point it's not going to be a problem the came first that came second once you're here I'm grandfathered in that's not what's going on here what's going on here is it's the mahal of with the from is that held of the he didn't hold the reason he didn't hold of the is because it's but says if you misspoint it in this guy for one second we're going to end with this it's an unbelievable what the going to say it's unbelievable I think you have to do almost a double take on this vaguy because what the vagueny is saying is that when the garra says says it's that whole is only mean the way you learn that is is that the is true according to according to the the only reason the said is because it said that you get lashes right 40 MINUS ONE THAT'S THROUGHOUT the even not that way in the go that according to there's a lab of thus is taken AND I CAN'T DOUBLE DIP I CAN'T USE again to teach me that is and that's Why holds came before it's going to be you have an olive card. It's who hold you don't get malus for you don't get malus is not only something you don't get malus for but it's not even something it's not allowed there's no lab of if there's no lab of is not taken it's very much available if it's available we can use it now to teach me a very critical say the go is learning up that the is predicated on BEING EXTRA is it's not extra this is like one of those very he doesn't have extra in the as opposed to is going to be extra in the but it's coming out that according to the there's no love which is not like the it's not Who is it? Maybe like who's it like? So we had a rabbit in the beginning of the where we a little bit that right asked the same that it asks why does it say what it should have said was like says said, "So why you not talking?" So the says, "I'm going to tell you why." Because the Mishna wants to tell us in a very subtle way that even though the carbon is like, but with regards to everything else, it's a carbon. As a matter of fact, we treat it like an just like an is a carbon. This is a carbon that if you would want to go and do another now with a bad, you would not be allowed to. And the reason is because are you allowed to have a bad that's of says how do you know the same exact in the same exact says it says says and we why did saying GOOD NOT SAY BETTER WHICH IS WHAT HE HIMSELF SAID WHY did say that the reason is it says and we suggested who learns up in the says that you learn from it that the only time there's a said is only if the carbon is going to be possible. But if you would have said over there, you would not be over the you would not be of we're handling as it relates to it's maybe is telling us what told us in that's why we were in the from which says about based on over there that it could be there's no when it comes to forget about could be there's no isle not by a regular we said what should that be in the if when a person has it takes away the so the reason the carbon is puzzle is not because I had a bad but the bad is that the carbon is missing it's the bad over here. is just that it's or if you're going to tell me that is and like is so you can't take away the so it's not that's what it's didn't say could be is based on the fact when it comes to there's no we have a third we have another mahal maybe didn't say because only of but according to not according to the in the days and in today's we have that hold that and if you have first and then it's considered like and like said that can't be but like the says on the bottom it's because OF AND THAT'S PREDICATED ON NOT BEING ALIVE LIKE THE GO SAYS OH, IF THAT'S the case, THERE'S NO we don't hold. It's very very Maybe that's why Rashi didn't say