Menachos 107

Today's daf is Menachos daf kuf zayin and we will begin from the Mishnah on the bottom of daf kuf vav amud bet. So, the Mishnah if somebody says that he is going to bring eitzim as a nedavah to the Beis Hamikdash. So, even though he didn't specify how much eitzim he's going to bring, the amount is predetermined. He has to bring two logs of eitzim. The Gemara is going to explain. If he says that he's going to bring the wine and the wine is mikumetz, so he's supposed to bring a kumetz of wine. Again, even though he didn't specify how much wine he's going to bring, the shiur is a kumetz. Says the Mishnah, there are five areas in Halacha as we come to the end of Maseches Menachos and spoke a lot about a kumetz. So, there are five areas in Halacha where you find a shiur of a kumetz. Number one, if somebody says a real wine and the Mishnah that we just learned, mikumetz, he has to bring a kumetz of the wine. If somebody says that he's going to bring a Mincha, certain Menachos had wine that came along with it. How much wine? Also a kumetz. If someone is mikumetz from a korban Mincha, whether it's wine, whether it's wine, how much is does he have to be mikumetz in order for him to be mikumetz? There's a shiur. The shiur again is a kumetz. And then finally, the two wines that came along with the lechem uponim to which two kumetz had to have a kumetz in them respectively. Thus, you have the five kumetz. Rashi and Tosafos both asked the obvious question. You want to talk about an area in Halacha where there's a Halacha of kumetz, what's the first Halacha that would come to mind? You bring a korban Mincha, you do kumetz, you take the kumetz and you put it on the mizbeach. The kumetz of the Mincha that went with the wine in most Menachos was the kumetz. So, Rashi says that it's true in theory that should have been the first one, but being that the mission was anyways going to mention how my love that the sheer is a coin. That's how much you have to be mild in order to be high. What's the reason for it? Because you're only higher for how long connected what would be considered a lot of them. So says Rashi by telling me essentially the mission already told me that the sheer thought of them is also a coin. Realize that somebody says he's going to bring to the base on the show me dinner he has to give a dinner which is a coin made out of gold. He says he's going to bring silver a different type of coin made out of a different type of coin made out of let's say somebody says that I made up that I'm going to bring gold to the base on the but I don't remember how much. So he didn't say how real eyes off. He gave an amount. He just can't remember what the amount was. Was it a one coin? Was it a two coins? Was it a hundred dollars? Was it a thousand dollars? So the he may be he has to bring the meaning he has to go so if he knows for sure that he didn't say ten thousand in raise up so you don't have to give ten thousand in raise up. If he knows for sure he didn't say nine thousand then he doesn't have to give nine thousand but up until where he can tell you for sure that's not how much it was he would actually have to bring because we saw you always go either way that theme of the mission was somebody made in a to go by you whether it's to he act act or or whether it's to cut you by the and he didn't specify exactly how much he's being so the is the mission tells us exactly what he needs to do. But I in the talking about the of a sacred the word carbon is extra and it comes to teach me that there's a concept of a new type of carbon. What's that carbon called? Aitzim. So you can bring a carbon aitzim. Now most carbonas had aitzim that came along with the carbon. Thus there was always going to be aitzim on the mizbeach. You needed aitzim l'atzei maroach. That's where you made the fire. That's where everything went down. But there's a chiddush that aitzim in and of itself can be considered a carbon. The comma. What's the sheer carbon aitzim? Shnei gzeirim. Chanoch omer, the hakol ro'eh she'yipolnu al korban aitzim. It's a pasuk in Nechemia. So you see over there that the pasuk refers to aitzim sometimes as a carbon. Rebbe Omer, Rebbe says aitzim carbonim. Aitzim is a carbon and as a result tunin melach. You have to salt it. Al kol korban chatach umelach. If you're going to put aitzim on the mizbeach shnei gzeirim aitzim you have to salt it. Utunin hagasha. Not just that, being that what's the makor to the carbon aitzim? It's learnt out from a pasuk that's discussing the carbon mincha. So not only do we say that you can bring a carbon aitzim, but we know the type of carbon it's going to be. It's going to be a carbon mincha. And being that most carbonas mincha required hagasha, the carbon aitzim would have a din hagasha as well. Omar Rav Rebbe, according to Rebbe who held that aitzim is really a carbon and to the extent that it requires aitzim to the extent that it requires hagasha, the halacha would be aitzim tunin kemitzah. It would need kemitzah as well. Omar Rav Papa Rav Papa Omar Rav Rebbe, aitzim tzerichim aitzim. You have to bring aitzim with it. Meaning it's literally treated as a regular carbon. Omar Rav Levi Yitzchak Min Hakohanim, if somebody says a real like lavonah, how much lavonah does he have to bring? So there's a minimum shiur aitzim kemitzah. Min alan d'chaziva ha'eirim menum bikumtzai misolessan mincha umishavno. V'es kol halavonah. So the pasuk talks about the of the mincha and the lavonah. They're in the same pasuk. Ha'eirim menum bikumtzai misolessan mincha umishavno. That's the good old kemitz. And then it says v'es kol halavonah. Makish lavonah l'harama d'mincha. We compare the lavonah to the part of the mincha that was set aside. In other words, the kemitz of the mincha. Makish harama d'mincha kemitz. Just like the kemitz of shiur was kemitz. Af lavonah nami kemitz. to the line has a share. It's going to be a son of a real is Yovi Levite. If somebody says I want to bring something to the misbehave. Now a lot of things go on the misbehave. Says the bracer he's supposed to bring Levite. This is probably the last thing you would think that we assume he meant to bring. I really like the misbehave bring an to the door maybe a minx Levite. This carbon Levite sucked the bracer yeah. I really like the misbehave Yovi Levite. The reason is in the door with a carbon going to the misbehave Levite. Because Levite has something unique and that is the entire carbon goes on the misbehave. Usually carbon always says there's a halo of the carbon that goes Levite. But not the entire carbon. Being that Levite is unique the entire Levite gets consumed on the misbehave. We assume that when the person said I really like the misbehave that what he means is I want to bring the carbon that goes completely on the misbehave. That is the Levite. Says the P R A S T V A N U D A M A P R A S T. What if somebody says I really like the misbehave but he remembers that he specified a specific type of carbon that goes completely on the misbehave. So then the is we assume he didn't mean Levite. Rather Yovi me called the misbehave. Then there's more options of what it could be and whatever option he could have meant he's going to be obligated to bring. And the is going to explain. But first the first the bracer. I really like the misbehave Yovi Levite. And what was the reason we assume Levite? The door with a carbon going to the misbehave Levite. Because Levite is the only carbon that goes completely on the misbehave. They said that's true for what about the door? The door is cool like it got them the of the carbon over went to the bus door of the was cool like the dam of the obviously it didn't but the of the that went to the the went to the thus it's not a something that's part of cool of the misbehave. Because what about the of? The didn't have the to go on it. So you can rub a nut on the nut. Those were the two innerds of the olive that didn't go on the back. So again, it's not cool back. What about the nut? What about the nut? Like yeah, and the nut went completely on the back. The more says the nut the she says they went to the she says they didn't they weren't consumed by the back. They went through the holes down into the ground. As a result, it's not considered that it's called the government back. What about the nut? What about the nut? What about the nut? What about that was the nut that came along with many of the nuts that went completely on the back. The more giving the nut that came in the back. It's true the nut that was a type of nut that went cool in the government back. But the more nuts that didn't go cool in the government back. So within the world of nut there are nuts that are not cool in the government back. So we assume that when he says I am in the back, he means a nut that's cool in the government back and where there is no nut similar to it that's not cool in the government back. So though there are other options that are very close to being cool in the government back. The nut is almost completely on the back, but it's not cuz you have the olive that goes in the nut. The olive is almost completely on the back, but it too isn't cuz you have the nut. The nut goes in the nut. So it's it's also close, but it's not managed cool in the government back. And the nut even though it is completely cool in the government back, but within the world of nut there are nuts that weren't cool in the government back. So we assume that's not what he meant. That's not the ratio of the nut. So again, what was the ratio? I am in the back. You have the nut that goes in the government back. That's unique. That is nothing else. What was the next part of the nut? So he rushed in the inner nut. He rushed in the nut. You have the nut that goes in the government back. What if the person says that I said I am in the back, but he was the nut something specific. He can't remember what he was the nut. So we hear we don't automatically assume he meant the nut. Why? Cuz if he automatically meant the nut, then he wouldn't have had to be the nut. I am in the back of the government back already means the nut. So the fact that he was the nut is clear he wasn't necessarily thinking of levinah. So, he had a broader definition of the words So, if you're going to take the words and give it a broader definition, the the more specific definition is levinah, like we just said. What would be a broader definition? So, Rashi, it would be the four options that the Gemara just mentioned. The four things that the Gemara thought maybe the person meant when he said The Gemara said, "No, he meant levinah, cuz only levinah is something that's kariv le gabei mizbei'ach. But at the very least, when we know that he had a broader definition of it because he was mefarish something, the mefarish he's working with I want to bring something that's kariv le gabei mizbei'ach. But I don't mean dafka levinah, I mean something more. What would be more? Either an oilah or an oilah oif, or he would mean the the nesachim, or he would mean the minchas nesachim, and maybe meant the levinah. Therefore, the halacha is he would have to bring all five. I realize Somebody says I want to bring zahav. So, the minimum share he has to bring is a dinar zahav, right? The Gemara asks, "How do you know he meant the dinar? He never said the word dinar. Maybe he has to bring a a naska, just like a little whatever, a lag of of gold, and then something that's maybe less valuable even than the dinar zahav." And then the Gemara asks, "How do you know he meant the dinar? He never said the word dinar. Maybe he meant the naska, just like a little whatever, a lag of gold, and then something that's maybe less valuable even than the dinar zahav." And then the Gemara asks, "How do you know he meant the dinar? He never said the word dinar. Maybe he meant the naska, just like a little whatever, a lag of gold, and then something that's maybe such small coins. Meaning, the assumption is when he says that we're going to force him to bring the smallest share possible. Whatever the minimum definition of zahav is, that's what he's going to have to bring. And the Gemara's question is, is why is a dinar zahav the smallest? There's there's gold that's smaller than a dinar zahav. You can have a little piece of gold that can weigh less than a dinar zahav, thus it's going to be cheaper. Or you can have a prutah The Gemara says you have to say it's talking about where he said And they didn't make zahav that was smaller than a dinar. The Gemara asks, "How do you know he meant the Protas meaning no one ever made Protas out of God. There were places where they made Protas out of Cassav. The mission is a lot of truth where this person who made this nether lived in a place where they didn't make Protas or Cassav. But it sounds like if you live in a place where they did make Protas or Cassav then the a lot of truth is you wouldn't have to bring the dinner. In a bracer versus versus in a bracer says that the minimum share is different. It's a little tool or some little tweezer that was made out of the Cassav. But they used to use it to clean up the the and the when they were being made and they were preparing the menorah to be lit. See how this little tweezer that would go into the that's the smallest thing of the said that there was ever any use for in the so if somebody says a real he can be by bringing that what if somebody says a real he's going to bring metal. So the is it shouldn't be less than the says that these were these small little blocks and little piles that had nails protruding from them. They used to put it on the top of the on the roof of the so that birds shouldn't come and and do do their thing. So either way says the prices of somebody says a real that's the smallest you can think of that physically had to use in the that's what you're going to have to bring. The how big does this board have to be? The same exactly. If somebody says he's going to bring you can he has to bring a minimum of three. If somebody says I'm going to bring wine, he says that just like a real wine is so to a real wine is also Let's say a person says that I made up I'm going to bring wine or I made up I'm going to bring wine and he can't remember. He doesn't mean that he gave an amount. He just doesn't know what it is. So a real wine That's a share. A real wine that's a share. According to the amount, according to what if he says specifically that he gave a share. He just can't remember what it is. So then already you can't just be Here the law is you have to take the day where they brought brought the most wine or they brought the most wine. We'll assume what that day is and that is the amount of wine that you would have to bring. It says in the positive that the extra word is in the context of the context of the positive. So the extra word is in the context of the positive. So the extra word is in the context of the positive. So in addition to the wine that came along mandatory with certain wines, there was a concept that a person could go and he can bring as an and his is going to be wine. Let's say somebody says a real wine, how much does he bring? How do you know that if you want to bring more than three you could bring more? Yeah teaches me you can be positive. Now what's the the story behind it? The didn't say how we know it. All you see from the is that there's some share that's If you want you can be positive but it can't be less than a minimal share. But where does this minimal share come from? The minimal share is because the least amount of that was ever brought with a carbon certain carbons had wine that was brought along with it. The least amount that was ever brought was a revi'is sa'in. If you brought a keves as a carbon, then a sochein was a revi'is sa'in. There's yud beiz lugin in the hin. Is zeh the gemara said is gematria yud beiz, gematria 12. Thus, a revi'is sa'in is going to be three lugin. It's 1/4 of 12. That's how you come up with shlosha lugin. Again, it's based on the minimum, just like the shnei gezirim. Harei layayin why shnei gezirim? Because the minimum of ayin was always shnei gezirim. Harei layayin or no, it always had to be a koimeitz. Zahav, kesef, nachash, it's along the same thing. Harei layayin, the reason it has to be shlosha lugin because the minimum nisochein of yayin that you ever found was three. Shemen, what if it was oil? There it's really machlokes. So, you have a look. The Tan Kama said it has to be a look. Rebbe says shlosha. My come with what's the machlokes? The Mishna Berura brings down a papa. The doin me know, me know, the doin me know. You can ask me again. It's not a very local specific machlokes as it relates to harei layayin shemen, but it's really totally in a in a general machlokes. Machlokes that comes up in many places in shas. And that is, if you're going to learn A from B, so you have parsha A, you have parsha B, and we're learning a halacha in A from B. Do you say that when you learn this halacha that's in B and apply it to A, you have to take it with all the details of the way it is in B, or no, you just can learn the basic halacha, but as it relates to the Shulchan Aruch and the details that are going to govern this halacha, you look at what the halachas are with regards to A. So, conceptually a little tricky, but the gemara explains it very nicely. Says the gemara, what's the machlokes? Rabbonan said the Rabbonan hold doin me know, u me know. What's the makor that a person could bring a nedava of oil? It's learned out from the carbon mincha. Man mincha misnadvin, af shemen nami misnadvin. That is the makor that there's a concept of a nedava that's made up of shemen. And being that we learned shemen from mincha, do you mean So now when we relate this concept of of a nedava of shemen, we have to take with it all the halachas of mincha because being that we're learning shemen from mincha, I can't just learn the basic halacha that I could bring a nedava of shemen just like I could bring a mincha. And now we're going to apply the halachas of shemen that how this nedava of shemen is brought. No, do you mean ooh mean no. If I'm learning shemen from mincha, so now the way you bring a nedava of shemen is going to have to conform to the way you bring a carbon mincha. Not mincha like of shemen like. Just like a mincha came along with a like shemen, so so too the when you bring shemen as a stand-alone nedava, it's going to be with a like shemen as well. The Rebbe said that Rebbe holds do you mean like astara. No, it's true that we learned the basic halacha that a nedava of shemen I could bring from a mincha, but at the same time all I need to learn is the basic halacha. Once I know there's a concept of a nedava that's merely shemen, I now can relate it to its own halachas. So man mincha is not in a shemen army is not. But not do you mean ooh mean no. Now I'm going to learn the sheer from mincha as well. Rather like astara in the salkin. Man is salkin like salkin of shemen army what's the like astara. If there's a halacha now that I could bring shemen, shemen is going to be on a form of the salkin. Usually when you think of the salkin you think of wine. There's also the wine that was brought on sukkas, but shemen is going to be another form of the salkin. What's the sheer of yayin? We said the sheer is like salkin. Everybody holds the salkin because the minimum sheer in the salkin that you ever had was the kevis which was a review salkin which is like salkin. So it's true the concept that there's a new type of the salkin called shemen that I learned out from mincha, but as it relates to the sheer I'm not going to apply the halachas of mincha, I'm going to apply the halachas of the salkin. If I'm applying the halachas of mincha, mincha always has a like shemen. That's do you mean ooh mean no. If I'm going to apply the halachas of the salkin, then I'm going to learn it from yayin which has a shiur of shloshah logim. Either way, said the Rabbanan and the Lomdim came in Beis Medrash and they said that we believed that the beer in the machlokes is Rebbi and the Rabbanan is the good old machlokes of doiminah uminah or doiminah ba'ikra asur. I'm learning the nedavah of shemen from minchah. So, do we say just a doiminah uminah? If I'm learning from minchah, I need the shiur of minchah. That's going to be alike. Or no, doiminah ba'ikra asur. All I need to do is learn the basic halachah, but now I look at it as regular Nisachim and the minimum shiur of Nisachim is always going to be shloshah logim. But, the Gemara said "Amora'i d'Rabbanan and Rabbanan told the Chachamim no. Eima minchah gam alah." If Rebbi and the Chachamim both agree that the makor to the concept of a nedavah made up of oil is learned out from the korban minchah, the kulei alma kulei alma would hold everybody would hold doiminah uminah. Meaning, everybody would hold that the halachah is it should be alike shemen because as it relates to the more global machlokes, there really is no machlokes ela Rebbi Me'ir and the Chachamim. The yesod of shitos Rebbi, the reason Rebbi holds a shloshah logim is not because doiminah ba'ikra asur, because he learned the concept that there's something called a korban of shemen that you could bring a new type of Nisachim shemen not from minchah. He learned it from the parashah of Nisachim as well, from the pasuk that says "Kol ha'ezrach yasa kochas ilu acharei acharei acharei acharei." The pasuk that the Gemara brought right in the beginning to tell me is the makor that there's a a nedavah of yayin. That, according to Rebbi, is also the makor that there's a nedavah of shemen. So, being that it's learned out from the parashah of Nisachim, it's for that reason it conforms with halachos of Nisachim. But, if it would have been learned out from the parashah of minchah, it would have to conform to the halachos of minchah. Meaning, the machlokes is not doiminah uminah doiminah ba'ikra asur, rather the machlokes is a more specific machlokes. It's what is the makor that you could bring a nedavah of shemen. Is it learned out from minchah or is it learned out from Nisachim? If it's learned out from minchah, then doiminah uminah, the shiur is going to be alike. If it's learned out from Nisachim, then doiminah uminah, the shiur is going to be gimmel logim. Says the Gemara "Amar lei Rav Huna brei d'Rav Nachman bar Papa, Me, myself, and I but could you say that? Is it possible to say that that is the most important bracha carbon? But I mean it's not shamin. We learn from the parsha of Mincha that you could bring in the dove of shamin the carbon. What's this year? Shlosha logim, says the Gemara Gishmachta. Man shamin dam shlosha logim. Who is the one that holds shlosha logim? Rebbi. V'chol maisim mikarbon. And here it says clearly it is from the word carbon not from Ezra in the parsha of the misakin. He learns it out from Mincha. Must be because he holds do me na v'oiki v'asro. So, Rav Huna braided Rav Nachman told Rav Papa, no, the law is right. You can't tell me that everybody holds do me na me na and the machlokes is whether you learn it from Mincha or you learn it from the misakin. Because I have a ferisha bracha, an anonymous bracha that I know for sure is Rebbi because it says shlosha logim. And in the bracha in the ferisha it says that the makor is from Mincha. If do me na me na and the makor is Mincha, then the shuir would be a log. Amaleh, so Rav Papa told Rav Huna braided Rav Nachman, no. Itanya, tanyas. Such a bracha, I'm not going to argue. Then must be you're right. And the beer in the machlokes Rebbi and the Rabbanan. Common is, in fact, the more global machlokes whether do me na me na do me na v'oiki v'asro. The ashti v'eini d'eima pirashti. What if somebody says that I took upon myself to bring shamin, I took upon myself to bring yayin, and I don't remember how much shamin and how much ashti. Here you can't be yotzei with a three logim or one log or three logim. Rather, you have v'kiyamim rabo. So, you have to take the day where the most shamin and the most wine was brought in the Beis Hamikdash respectively. That's the maximum shuir, but that's how much you're going to have to drink. Tanna, what is that day? K'yom tov v'rishon shel Chag HaSukkot if the first day Sukkot fell out on a Shabbos, so that's the halacha. So, we had this already last week. If the first day of Sukkot fell out on a Shabbos, so there were a lot of korbanos that were brought. Number one, you had the 13 parim that were brought on the first day Sukkot. So, there were 70 parim that were brought on the seven days of Sukkot k'neged the shivim umos. And the amount would be was valid. It was the day, 11 the third day, 10 the fourth day, etc. So, you had the 13 parim every day Sukkot there were 14 kvasim that were brought. Every day Sukkot there were two eilim that were brought. Every day of the year, 365 days a year, you had the two temidim that were brought. If Sukkot falls out on Shabbat, you also had the two kvasim that were brought as part of the musaf Shabbat. If that's the case, so if you do the math of how much shemen and how much yayin you're going to have to bring the number you're going to get is 140 luggin. Incidentally, it's the same number for shemen as it is for wine because the sheer shemen and the sheer yayin were the same. The par had to have a chatzi hin of shemen and yayin. A chatzi hin is six luggin. There were 13 parim the first day Sukkot, so it's 13 * 6, which is 78. There were 14 kvasim, each keves had a revi'is sa'ah hin. A revi'is sa'ah hin is three luggin, so it's 14 * 3, which is 42. There were two eilim, each ayil had a shlishit sa'ah hin. A shlishit sa'ah hin is four luggin, again if you want to do the math. So, it's 2 * 4, you get eight. Then you had the two kvasim, which were the korban tamid. Each keves again had a revi'is sa'ah hin, which is three luggin, so it's 2 * 3 is six. And then you had the two kvasim, which were the korban musaf. Again, each keves has a revi'is sa'ah hin, so it's 2 * 3 is six. If you do the math, it's 78 + 42 + 8 + 6 + 6, the number you end up getting is 140. We did have this last week because last week we were discussing the halakha of the isron. I said, "If somebody says I want to bring a mincha, very very big mincha, so it has to be in multiples of an isaron." The minimum sheer of a mincha, as far as the amount of solas goes, had to be an isaron. What's the maximum sheer? The maximum sheer is 60. So, what's the chashmon? So, Rav Shimon famously says cuz only up to 60 could you do bilah. More than 60 you can't do bilah. Ay, bilah is not me'akev. It's true it's not me'akev, but it has to be rayah l'bilah. Kol rayah l'bilah is bilah me'akedes, but kol rayah l'bilah bilah me'akev. But the chachamim gave a different reason. Chachamim said cuz because amount of solas that was ever brought in one day in the base of miktash was 61 asarois. So if the if the tzeebur, the most they ever brought was 61, yachid he should be a little bit less than the tzeebur. And therefore the maximum is going to be 60. What was the cheshbon then? It was the same cheshbon. It was if the first day sukkos fell out on shabbos, if you did the math, you would end up with 61. The bottom line is it's the most carbonois ever brought and from a mandatory perspective was the first day sukkos when it fell out on a shabbos and it impacts basic halachas in menachos. Number one, the maximum sheer of how big a mincha could be as far as the amount of soil is 60 asarois according to the chachamim mishnah based on the fact that the most that was ever mandatory to bring for the tzeebur was 61. And as we see now it impacts if somebody says, "I realize shemen, I realize yayin, I don't remember how much." The most that you could possibly bring is 140. Here we don't say one less. And here the sheer is going to end up being 140. Either way it's like the mishnah. "Hareini oilo." Let's say somebody says, "I'm going to bring a a carbon oilo." So the Torah in the beginning of parshas Vayikra says that if somebody says he's going to bring a carbon oilo, so the oilo can be either mincha boker, it could be tzo'in, or it could be an ayil. You could bring an oilo tzo'in as well. So what if somebody says, "Hareini oilo." So the halacha is yotzei b'keves. He can be yotzei with a keves. Rashi says because the keves, the sheep, is pachois sheba oilos. Incidentally, Rashi says it has to be a keves not a kivsa because an oilo has to be a zachar. And as a result, it would have to be the male version. Bottom line is a male sheep. That's the cheapest possible oilo you can possibly you can bring. Again, the theme is the cheapest that's reasonable that he may have meant. As a result, "Hareini oilo" yotzei b'keves. Rashi says in the name of Rabbi Yishmael but he says no, it could be even cheaper. "Oilo ayil ben yayin." Or an oilo tzo'in. That's even cheaper than that. "Piyrushei mincha boker." Then you have the mapirash. What if the person says that I said "Hareini oilo oilo mincha boker." I just don't remember what type of bakra it was. Says the Mishnah, there's two options. It could either be a par or it could be an eggo. Now a par and an eggo are the same thing. The difference is one is older than the other. Eggo's when it's younger, the par is when it's older. They're both bakra. The point is that being that he's not sure what he was mefaresh, could be he meant a par, could be he meant an eggo. If he meant par, he can't be eggo, and if he said eggo, he can't bring a par. There's no choice. The only way to do it is by bringing both. Menachem, what if you said I'm going to bring an oil in a behema? The any day, I don't remember what type of behema it was. Any day, my pure rush. So there you have to bring all the possibilities of an oil within the world of behema. So it's par of an eggo, it's ayo the soyer, it's gidi the tleh. So either it's going to be a bull, it's going to be a sheep, or it's going to be a goat. And it's going to be the older one or the younger one. The par or the eggo, it could be the ayo or the tleh, it could be the soyer or the gidi. The bottom line is only the zachar. Not in a kavis cuz an oil always has to be a zachar. Like the kley oker, how do you remember that oil always has to be a zachar? Cuz an oil is to do an avera and then he was able to overcome his yetzer hara, so he showed gura. A chatas is always in a kava. The exception is the the nasi. If he did an avera, his chatas had to be a zachar. But ordinarily, almost all chatas was a was in a kava. Why? Cuz the person that brought a chatas actually did the avera. So he was toshash kocha in a kava. As a result, he has to bring in a kava. The kley oker, right in the beginning of parshas vayikra. But either way, so it has to be mena bakra mena tzoan. He said mena behema, so we know it's either bakra or tzoan. Has to be a zachar. So there's six options. Par, eggo, ayo, soyer, gidi, tleh. He has to bring all cocktail of carbonos. It is what it is. Parshas mena behema, what if he said I said a real lie, oil, and I can't remember what I said. I don't even know if I said mena behema. So moise valem tor benyonim. So he has to bring the previous six that we just mentioned. Here there's two additional possibilities. That's tor benyonim. Real like toido shlamim. What if somebody said I'm going to bring a toidos shlomin? So again, he didn't specify what animal it's going to be. The cheapest toido or the cheapest shlomin is a kevis. Pirash they mean bok and the day my pirash they. What if he says I said I'm going to bring a toido shlomin? I said it's going to be bok. I just remember can't remember what. So you have a paru para, ego over eglo. So it has to be bok. So it's going to be a par and eglo. But being that the shlomin could be a zochor or an a keva, so here there's four carbonas he has to bring. He has to bring a par and a para, a eglo and an eglo. What if it was an oilo? It'd be a zochor, so it's only a par and eglo. Couldn't be mental par and an eglo. Can't be an oilo. But in the toido and a shlomin, it could be a male or a female. Thus it's a par and a para, an eglo and an eglo. Min a behemo. What if he says I took upon myself to bring a toido and a shlomin min a behemo of any day mapirash they. So here it's already a whole hot god you. Literally. You have a paru para, ego over eglo, ayo over cheilo, seiro over seiro, gidiyo over gidiyo. Clavically it's the same thing. You just have to add in a keva version. A real nice shor. What if somebody says I'm going to bring a shor? So the halacha is yovi who unachas of the monas. He has to bring a shor. That's pretty straightforward. The nisochim have to come along with the shor. The halacha is how much nisochim? It's a monas worth of nisochim. Mecha taysi. Rashi says "Kach nisparish dinay bitayris b'al peh." Very interesting. Eglo. What if he says eglo? Yovi who unachas of the chomish. So then the nisoch has to be five slaim. Ayo. Yovi who unachas of the shnaim shvi. Two slaim. Again it's old tayris b'al peh. Kevis. Yovi who unachas of the shor b'mona. What if he says I want the shor to be b'mona? So then the halacha is yovi b'mona chutz min nisochim. So then the shor itself has to be worth a mona. And then the nisochim that's a separate cheshbon. Eglo b'chomish. Yovi b'chomish chutz min nisochim. So again if somebody says "A real nice shor." Then you just bring a shor. And then the nisochim has to be up to a mona. But once when he says shor b'mona, now the shor itself has to to a mona. So in addition to the shor being a mana, you have to add now another mana's worth in the sakem. So, again, the shar is a mana. Khutz min the sakem. I will be a mana. I will be a mana. Khutz min the sakem. Shar be mana. What if somebody said shar be mana? The heavy shnayim be mana. Lo yatza. Because it has to be one shar meaning if you brought two shvarim, each one was worth a half a mana. So, together they combined to the mana, he didn't satisfy his obligation. Even though what do you mean? He brought shar, he brought mana. Yeah, but you said one shar mana. You brought two shvarim that together are a mana. That feel be mana khutz min the sakem. I will be a mana. Khutz min the sakem. Even if one of them is almost a mana and the other one is also almost a mana. Doesn't matter. At the end of the day, you need one that's a mana. So, in other words, what you brought ended up being almost double what you promised you were going to bring. But you still didn't bring what you said you were going to bring. You said you were going to bring a shar be mana. You never brought a shar be mana. Shar be lovean. What if somebody says I'm going to bring a black shar? He brought a lovean. Lovean the heavy shar. Godly said he's going to bring a big one. The heavy katan. All in these cases lo yatza. Katan the heavy gadol. What if he said he's going to bring a small one and then bring a bigger one? The halakha is yatza. Why? Because be khol min the shar be mana. Because within the big one you have a small one. Rabbi Rabbi says lo yatza. Either way, the mishna said a lot about halakhas and the gemara is going to go through this. So, the first halakha of the mishna was I really like oil. So, somebody says I'm going to bring an oil. So, you bring the minimal shar oil. What is the minimal shar oil? Says Machlokes in the mishna. Tanna Kamma says yovi keves. You bring a sheep. Lo ben Azai o itar o ben Yoyna. What's the Machlokes? So, after my no Machlokes really. The Lo Pligi Mar Ke Astray o Mar Ke Astray. In the Tanna Kamma's land, in his shtetl where he lived, a keves was cheaper than a tor o ben Yoyna. And that's interesting because the tor o ben Yoyna is the carbon olas. But either way, it was cheaper. And because it was cheaper, he held that was the minimum his possible obligation. Thus, he bring a keves. For Lo ben Azai's town, the tor o ben Yoyna that was your tor o ben Yoyna. Now, he like oil over seller. If somebody says I'm going to bring an oil be seller So the halacha is yovi keves. He has to bring a keves. Why should she call it besala legabi misbech ela keves? Because the keves was usually a sala. So if he said a real life oiler besala, presumably what he meant was the keves. She called it pirashti veni dema pirashti. What if he said a real life oiler besala, but he knows he was mefarish something. Meaning he didn't just say those words. He went into detail. He explained himself a little bit. Then the halacha is he can't just bring a keves. Because again, if he meant the keves, he would not have had to be mefarish. From the fact that he was mefarish, that's a raya that he didn't necessarily mean could he meant the keves not necessarily. Therefore the halacha is yovi mekol davar she called it besala legabi misbech. He has to go to the shuk with a sala and see what he could buy. If he could buy a geddi, he's going to have to bring a geddi. If he could buy an egal, he's going to bring an egal. If he buy a par, if he buy a tor, he's going to bring a ben yona. Anything that you can possibly buy for a sala that could be brought as a carbon oiler, you're now going to have to bring. So again, if you just said a real life oiler besala, there's a svara he meant the keves. But we're we know for sure he didn't necessarily mean the keves. Might have meant it, but we can't say for sure that's what he meant. Now already we have a safek, he has to satisfy his obligation. Pirashti mena bako veni dema pirashti. So the halacha is yovi par veegal. So if somebody said I know I said bakar, I just can't remember what it was. So you bring the par, which is the bigger one, and you bring the egal, which is a calf. That's the small one. Fake the gemara my the lacy par memona shach. Why don't you just bring a par? And in the par, you'll have the egal. Because isn't the egal included in the par as in bechlal mesaya mona? So the gemara says amani rebbi, this is rebbi who was mentioned in the last line of the mishna. Dom akatan veyovi gadol. If somebody says I'm going to bring katan and he brought a gadol lo yatza. Why? Because even though there is a katan within the gadol, the egal's within the par, but at the end of the day you said katan. At the end of the day, you said eggo. So, just like cotton, we don't say as mana in the godo. So, today eggo's not my son. So, either way, it's the ratio of the mishna that says that if you said, "I'm going to bring an the any day of my you have to bring the bigger one and the smaller one, we don't say it's going according to Rebbe, who's the last line of the mishna, who said clearly that you don't say but the mishna says if that's the case, a masefo. The safe of the mishna already brought Rebbe, right? But, what was the setup to the safe? If somebody says I'm going to bring a for mana and you brought two that together equaled a mana, you have to bring a mana also you're not going to be at the end of the day. You need one that's a mana. And if you bring two each one is almost a mana, even though the net amount that you donated to is much more than you promised, doesn't matter. At the end of the day, you didn't bring what you said you were going to bring. So, love one. If you said you're going to bring black, you brought white. So, you cotton. Why you cotton? Cotton you godo. Why you cotton you godo? It was the said Rebbe why you not if you're going to tell me that the ratio of the mishna that says and that you have to bring a and eggo, why can't you just bring the you don't say cuz Rebbe that said cotton you you're not so it's going to come out the ratio of the mishna is Rebbe. The safe of the mishna is Rebbe. Who Rebbe and then you we threw in the said godo cotton why you not so so the is that reasonable to say? So, the says yeah in ratio of the safe Rebbe you also Rebbe. It's not so sure. The ratio of the safe is Rebbe but that was Rebbe and really the way you read the mishna is is the mishna says somebody says cotton you have to bring the bigger one and the smaller one. So, the mishna by the way, FYI, you should know really what what's the machlokes? Because there was machlokes between the Rabbanan regarding korban Eglah Arufah. Where the Rabbanan said Yotzei, because you say B'chol Mesay'ah Monah. Rebbe said Lo Yotzei, that you don't say that. So, after you learn really this shailah, this psak that you have to bring the par and the egel is only according to Rebbe who holds you don't say B'chol Mesay'ah Monah. But in the end, according to the Rabbanan, you do say B'chol Mesay'ah Monah, and as a result, you would only have to bring the par, you would not have to bring the egel.