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Today's is
and we are 23 lines from the top of
today's being
and
so we're in the middle of a as a matter
of fact we're in the middle of aasha
we're not in the middle of a sentence
which means that we need to bring
ourselves up to speed with a little bit
of an introduction. So the primary topic
of yesterday's daf was a major
whether one can be pectish
that's
even when it's from the it's a little
bit mashma that the only time one can be
is if it's
Actually,
what the mission is saying is
until they're
meaning until they become
there's still only
but the Mishna said pretty clearly that
this is true only if it's stating that
that really you can be even if it's if
that's the case why did the mission
I got the we mentioned
but really as it relates to the cloud
that one can be
the is you could be in all situations
stating that what emerged from
is that me is
fired away on said that of a certain he
would have been
with there was a shah in one version he
too was and in another version he
actually supported and too was with
albeit with the one caveat that when it
comes to the then I agree the is you'd
be able to be the
but the bottom line is what emerged was
a major
Whether one can be
or like
what we need for today's believe it or
not is only the fact that there's a sh
whether or not one can be
additionally that it was a sh what is
whether holds like
or whether holds like
that. No, the only time you could be is
in the that it's going to be
why does this matter? It's because the
Gmorra has another memor that said
unrelated to what we're discussing.
A mera that's a little problematic as
we're going to see. And in the event
that we assume
that
holds
and he holds that the only time you
could be is if it's there would be a way
out of this situation. If however you're
going to take the position that holds
like that
then we will have stopped our toe
without any to have a so this sh of what
is as it relates to the whether or not
you can do
will play itself out in terms of trying
to make sense of another mera that said
now in the very very end of yesterday's
d we set up what that memor was and we
pause right before the me before the
kasha which the garra will be masha but
ultimately is going to get involved in
this [ __ ] is regarding the top of
yesterday's now we have to over the
second part of what it is we need as an
introduction and that is what was this
other memory of so it was two lines from
the bottom of
said I heard
that in the event that had pig while he
was bringing a carbon
this right now will not be subject to
Tomas. So we know that can become ri has
a as we'll see throughout kazal that any
that is
not considered an in the context of
meaning it can't become
said that the
is that the talks about being able to
become says
is very wordy. It's coming to teach me
that the only time something's
considered with regards to is in the
event that it's
however
and is in such a situation it would not
be to be and it's for that reason
that in many situations where you have
an in front of you and it was and nowad
landed on it for sure it should be tummy
it's not going to be for example
Th these are all examples of and in all
of these cases even when you have the in
front of you you have aik
being that it's will not be subject to I
heard that based on this what would
emerge is that if a had a pickled by a
it would not be why because what's the
with a carbon that is pickle, you have
to burn it. If you have to burn it, it's
can't give it to somebody. You have to
burn it. If that's the case, it's not
considered
in the context of thus,
by the way,
what if it's a regular carbon? Then it's
going to be different. And the short
answer is of course not. If the of what
heard that
is because
so why did he say I heard regarding
that's one of the many things that will
hopefully become a little bit more clear
in the course of today's doc there's a
as it relates to the but of course it
goes without saying that it would be
true for all examples of Even
but the bottom line is this is what one
other piece that we need to just remind
ourselves before we start the and that
is that in as much as holds that
anything that's
is not subject to there is one exception
to the rule and that is
said would be
subject to and the reason is
because
were not born in a state where they're
weren't born in a state where they
weren't
once something is even if later it
becomes and now it's no longer but the
fact that it was in a situation where it
was that would be enough for it to now
be subject to
why is something that had a because of
becomes
when the
but the and were regular that are to
become like to become so and this is
very important today's d it's the most
important piece that we need from the
whole introduction to understanding
today's d holds that as much as it's
true that something that's is not
subject to be able to become tame if
however it had
There was one minute where this was able
to become even if later events happen
and things change at that point it's not
going to matter. In fact, the said that
even though said that
is is
because of the fact that the head of it
was really only because happens to be
the
but that principle that spoke out
that's a very very important principle
and as we'll see even though could be
it's not something that was
proper as we saw at the very end of
yesterday's da for those holding but
it's something that will be very
important in the world of in today's the
bottom line is two introductions the
first introduction was with regards to
whether it's only like
right in the beginning of the par the
second one was
because the only time something is
subject to is if it's
Piggle is
with the exception of
in the beginning of today's these two
worlds these two at first glance despar
I'll ask you aasha now this me this
kasha again because the introduction was
windy so we have to focus this kasha is
a kasha
on the
so it's a smack on to that that
is that true heard that
I'll ask you from
there's noer that is
this is who has his big in the world of
that if it was it will not be Tommy. So
how does it relate to said it depends
there's aer that's and there's aer
that's not okay so what does this depend
on
in the event that the buser was lawn
before the meaning there was never a
done and the buser was
then the will not be
if however was done and then afterwards
the bus was
going to be what's the
if he was his reco. So that means the
buser had a shaser. If the boser had a
shaser
is by right even though he didn't need
it by but we mentioned we'll see where
he needs it. So is in that situation
even though right now it's
like pickles but it had a once it had a
if however it was
so was never mattered. If it was never
mattered it never had a kosher. And by
the way, think of this busi,
right? The buser when it came into this
world, it was part of an animal. That
animal was a a balky. It was definitely
not something that was subject to to
because an animal bal in contrast to a
human balai is not subject to.
Then you went ahead and did it. Had it
been kin that's next week's sug that
would have been fine but it wasn't kulin
it was kachim and as a result it needed
a and you never did and now it became
nicer so now even if you did a it's not
going to help you so the bottom line is
it never had a shasaka because it never
had a shasaka it's going to be a problem
if however you did a zer at that moment
when you did the zika before it became
nicer there was just there was a shasak
at that point it was regular you were
able to eat it kim Not only could consu
become tummy, it could even be a rama,
right? It's actually more vulnerable.
There's a concept of it's more subject
to than regular is. So at that point it
had even though right now it's nicer now
it's about no but that disruption that
in as much as it's true that is not
considered but if it had
then it's going to be different
continued in this and he said as relates
to
it doesn't matter
it will never be what's the reason it's
very positive because in the event that
one had so was never
So if there was never a so comes out and
never had a shaser it's piggle is
something that you need to burn and as a
result oh there was no shas so it
doesn't matter if it was kadashim if it
was
in all situations it's like
it's regularly
it's not subject to
this is what we need what would be if it
was regarding a
in that situ situation. It's going to be
what's the it's flat out not like what
said
himself said in this he spoke about he
spoke about he spoke about
and he said
it's going to be
it's not like now at first glance we
were mafarish the first parts of the
bless let's
this part of the price before we see the
terret and that is how could it be
because it never had a shaser. So why
would a ma be different? The terret is
it's all in the
why have the came into the world it came
in as a stalk of wheat. It didn't come
in as a a stick of the flesh of the
animal. It came in as a stalk of wheat.
this part of the price before we see the
flesh of an animal is something that's
not
being that it's not it didn't have a
until
you in the case of you do in the case of
we didn't do there's no shak however as
it relates to a you're dealing with
carbs you're dealing with carbs so when
you had the wheat at that point there
was now just to be clear when the came
into the world as a stalk of wheat it
actually didn't have a yet why not
because can't become
But as soon as you did the
you went ahead and
right the and you were oh now all of a
sudden you have wheat now there's a but
because of the that's why you would say
this is that even though right now it's
about right now you have to burn the
pickle but
the bottom line is you have in or
ostensibly why because of the grace of
himself and
is that's what's going on in this
that's between
the difference between
and clearly understands
should be a situation where it shouldn't
be
but he was clearly between the and the
kachum which is
And for the very push the terrace again
we were very because now it's going to
walk right into the terrace. So
knew in that but
was talking about where there was
talking about where there was no
what's even a situation when there's no
again we spoke this all out.
It's talking about you when it was being
that you were mocked when it was at that
point it now is no longer
in a situation where it can become
because when something is
at that point right it's not the subject
for it to be able to so if you
that's the situation we are that's the
situation
where it would be that piggle
would not bear
asks Aasha and this is now where the two
parts of the suga are going to converge.
So you're telling me that
uh min
of piggle where it became kadesh
in a state of
it never had a shaser and because it
never had a a so it's for that reason
and in that situation where the is that
it wouldn't be
I'm afraid I don't understand
there was an the was or there's a we
should still be able to view this and
deem this as having a why because this
person before he took the min and he put
it into the he could have been right
just the the visual somebody had that
was
he went ahead and he was mocked this
[ __ ] okay so it didn't have
when it was to be able to become because
can't become once you it's so at this
point right it's
however before you go ahead and you put
it into the you can go and you can be
and if you're going to be at that point
well now already it's going to be
and if it's going to be
so at that point it should now be
considered to have a shaser.
Why are you telling me that in the event
it was it never had a kosher? It's true
it physically never had a kosher. This
is a little bit of a leap of faith to
kasha which is part of the challenge of
understanding today's.
It's true it never had a shasa kosher
but it could have would have should have
had a shasakosha. There was always the
option for you to go ahead and be paid
and the garra in the kasha holds is
going to fall off of this but the gmorra
in the kasha holds that that in of
itself that you could have been ped
should be enough for us to be able to
view it as if you were ped and if we you
were ped it would be
so let's view it as if you were pit
consider it having a kosher and if
that's the case it's now something that
even if later it became big but should
be it should still be subject to the
laws of so the says like this that's
good it's not
that you can't be
sharper then it's very good why said
what he said and why he didn't feel that
one second it had aer Why do you have a
chance because of because no you
couldn't be paid you can't be ped when
it's
but according to the holds that even
when it's freaking why shouldn't be able
to be paid it's these two lines where
everything came together this a very
elaborate long- winded introduction
managed to get the two lines and by the
way the two lines is going to flick in
less than two lines but the bottom line
is pun intended that what we have over
here is the we have we have that
doesn't
where
the terret says you have to say it's all
based on big huge carve out in the world
of his and that is when there's a it's
different and you'll have to say
that's the case of the
and
that's the case of
what's the
but the says I still have a problem the
problem is and the fact that you could
be should make it
you weren't if you played it we'll have
the conversation but if you weren't then
why are we having this conversation and
by the way you sure wen it you were
methag. So it ended up getting to the
point where it was
it made it all the way to the point
where it's right it climbed the
corporate ladder.
But the bottom line is is says the Gar
the fact that you could have would have
should have that's enough in
and if that's the case
says the
how is that
I think is still because I think even
situation should be a situation of of
because it was
I don't think that makes any difference
because over here there's a not the fact
that it was in the state of there's a
shas
the fact that you could have been
someone says a that's totally if you're
going to tell me you can't be when it's
so that's your way out then it's however
you're going to tell me the hold you
could be
then in other words if you're going to
tell me holds like
but holds like then it's going to be
that is why brought this we had two
memories whether holds like doesn't hold
like from other there's a that he must
have held not like because if he holds
like then we're going to have a steer
between
himself
says I don't hear this whole this whole
and this presumed terrors and making it
to the two of yesterday's d and
converging all these making this sugia
eclipse over there this is all based on
a kasha that was what that based on the
fact that you could have been paid.
This is a reason to view it as if you
actually ped it. Now all of a sudden
it's considered that it has
says the
no if you p it you p it but if you were
a p it the fact you could have would
have should have been ped that doesn't
deem it to be considered the whole kasha
is not a kasha you don't have to be mash
it as a result you don't have to say a
ter that's to what was in yesterday's
male the two have nothing to do with
each other now you're going to tell me
like what was the hav of the garamar
thought
that's in and it of itself a reason to
assume that it was
I mean we went through a lot a lot of to
get to this point and it was all based
on
that I think we all could have just been
right it doesn't feel like this was the
best cash in the world but the truth is
as we're going to see now in the next 10
lines of the riv holds of such a rivals
that the fact that you could have would
have done something is enough for it to
be considered as if it was done in the
of
regards to and it's really from that the
knows the end of the and it's because of
that the ask the in real time when we
see these next 10 lines and we
think we'll appreciate a little bit
better where that maka was coming from
says
now you're telling
that really you maybe is that you could
be
right. We don't want to make uh this
in yesterday's right
as no bearing here or there as it
relates to the but the says not so
positive because if you're going to tell
me
we know is Again,
we're giving away all the punchlines
before we see it inside.
And if that's the case, you can't tell
me. No, the was a good fact. The was
coming from the fact that it knew.
Now, what's the hold?
about this that we're talking about is
the
you would think is in the category of
the
right
and it's something that shouldn't be
subject to it's no
explaining that has that
is
and the reason is
because the had a now where's
explained. He said,
it's not something he one time said.
It's because you could always be and the
fact that you could be and you could
even be when it's under means again on
this, but you could always be the and
because you can always be that gives it
a meaning if I'm now anymore and as a
result it's
but what do you see from here? You see
the shimmin holds that in the world of
his of
it's true even if it's only a because I
could be see holds that the ability to
be is enough
we just flicked away the whole
convergence and the whole eclipse of the
two. What do you mean? What do you mean
it was predicated on this? This is
this way.
And if that's the case, the same should
be true with regards to the says it's
not
is always
it's not just that you could be it's
actually ready to go. It has the whole
uh rental prepared. He's he wakes up in
the morning
to be why
because if you ever found a more
handsome mitzvah of there's a mitzvah to
be
but when it comes to mitzvah of is there
ever a mitzvah to be ped there's never a
mitzvah to be ped and being that there's
never a mitzvah to be paid. So it's for
that reason over here it's going to be
different. In other words, the is
conceding that does hold
and based on that the isasha that in of
itself should be enough for it to be
considered that it had a and if that's
the case how could
it doesn't
and don't tell me that is talking about
where it had a and this is where it
didn't have a because if holds and that
was siding yesterday's daff that you can
be played
then this also had a because of the fact
that you could have been played it and
don't tell me
because
and that's why he holds
again it's probably 15 different things
but this is the the says the is that
holds
when there's a mitzvah he doesn't
when you only could be
it's
you don't have it. Now the bottom line
is what's emerging from the right now is
that there's no from
whether he holds like and yes, right?
You can learn it either way that said
there's no hak. However, there's a very
interesting caveat in the world of that
we got thrown into that does emerge from
this last discussion very very clearly
very clearly and that is
that any
that's
if however there was a
such as that's the classic example there
the is that it would be
in the event that you have something
that never really had a however you
could have been but not only you could
have been there was a mitzvah of that's
enough for it to be considered a shas
and if that's the case in rib shim's
world again forget about the first uh
half hour of today's let's just focus on
this right now in terms of this idea is
that even though it didn't physically
have a kosha but if I could have invited
it And there was a mitzvah to be that
that would be enough for it to be
considered to have a now all of a sudden
it would be subject to become. Now let's
just think creatively outside and segue
innov
it's it's
that if you had something that's but you
can do something to make it
not pion something else and it's not
only something you could do but it's
something that there's a mitzvah to do
the way the clarified the position of
that probably would also be enough to
say for whatever that is it's as if
whatever that is actually took place and
as a result it would be enough to deem
it a we're talking about
we're talking about a very specific
thing you can do to make it be a we're
saying if there's a mitzvah to do it
but it's mabber that if it's true in
world regarding pig it would be true
with regards to other things as Well, I
don't think anybody can argue with that
either way. So, based on that very
reasonable assumption, we now segue into
the next part of the DA
in one of the in today's in fact that we
started the with
so he said
sometimes is sometimes it isn't. What it
depend on?
Why? Because if it was long then it
means the boss never had a if it was
long
had a that's means rule then it's going
to be
in the event that the boss was the
mitzvah
before you did this there was a mitzvah
to go ahead and do this
and for sure if you wanted to do it you
could have done it yet what does say
If she
is enough to make it that it's
considered a why don't we say
and if you did this would be then a
shaser if it has a should be well I
didn't do this I didn't do the opinion
and you see now what said well there's a
mitzvah there's a mitzvah to do this
just like there's a mitzvah to do the
opinion
and you have to say you have to make an
unbelievable that when
Ah, you could have done this. No,
there was no time in the day to do this.
How's that even possible? It's way you
did
before. Right. By the way, one of the
place said his in the
but the bottom line is
okay. And therefore it was never you
were never able to do.
So you're telling me that in the event
that is then it would be right. So
basically you're making a huge uh
caveat, right? There's an asterisk. You
have to look in the footnote and you
have to see one second. The only time is
true
is if there was no time to go ahead and
do it was time it would be enough to say
but if that's the case
why did say in the next breath I'll give
you a situation where in the event that
the was going to be what's the situation
where
did have to say
should have talked about where it was
you don't have to jump from
shim can give me case weird.
How so?
Why? Because there's a mitzvah.
You're right.
That's really what meant. Maybe we
didn't understand properly.
Not
before
once you were able to do
at that point
similar.
What about pickle in that price also
spoke about pickle?
What did say? He said is
why? Because if it was pickle that means
it never had if it never had it was
never
in the carbon that was pickle before you
did this with mash's pickle. So the is
assuming right now this is what was done
with mash the is going to be from that
but the now is assuming this was done
pickle before this was done with mak's
pickle. So right now there was a mitzvah
to do a proper not been machev's pickle.
Had you done a proper the bustle would
have been mut. So at that point it was
which should consider it to be a so what
do you mean you never did? I know you
never did, but you were in a miz
when it comes to piggles
and if you wanted you could have
now says this whole if the pigle was biz
and even though when it came to this you
could have done a proper so the it's
talking about you never even got to the
point where it was you know why because
you messed up already in the so if If
you messed up writing the you're already
missing but say
you're telling me that the only time
said
it's going to be an issue is when is in
the event that the pickle was but if the
pickle was but if the pickle was bizar
being that before was a man and it was
mful that would be enough. So if that's
the case in the right if you read the in
its poetic symmetry so you realize was
saying that there's times that is there
time that it's not right long and
there's times by where it's
not
that was the problem with
but when the bryer goes ahead and gives
me the symmetrical case of where by
pigle it's What was the case
and before the before went ahead and
came up with a situation and he had to
jump
like why didn't he just stay in this
topic of right after stick with
what is it true that people
it's not coming to that's
Why? because he never had his even
says I hear it's a definitely a very
very good right and by the way here you
can't out of this right when the cash
right why you jumping
so
means
but here it says means there's no way
out of that so the says you're Right?
The reason he said
because in the case of what he wanted to
say was that even if the pickle happened
by
right we know there's four that were
done with the that parallel the that
were done with and the parallels with
the
so I would have thought that just like
that is it's
never had
So I would have thought
is the same thing
want you know it's still going to be
that see right if's only objective was
to give me an example of where it's at
that you'll have piggle and there'll be
he could have stuck to the topic dour he
could have stayed within the world of
and he could have said it's
with
there's no there is a based on
me when it's a mitzvah but wanted to
tell me that plus another he also wanted
to tell me that you should know that as
much as
is similar to
but not in this because in this it's not
the versus the it's was there was no
shakosha by kachum there was no shak
however by the m there was a shasak he
wanted very much to tell you that and
that's why he deviated a little bit from
the poetic symmetry he jumped away a
little from the
regard so that
this is the way used to talk so that
you can know this
as as well. Either way, let's do a recap
on this very very last part of the daf.
The very last part of the daf focused on
the fact that as much as it is that
but if there was a at that point it's
going to be there. Where did say that?
He said that in the initial
of the original said we saw that there
was another many but there was another
said that as it relates to the
should not be
what is the
terret is the
explained is being that if you want to
be
even after if you want to be you can be
and being
it's for that reason according to that
in it of itself would be enough said is
that so the shim holds
the said no but where it's mitzvah then
for sure yeah the if that's the case if
holds that when there's a
his whole doesn't apply and if he holds
that
dummy where it's a mitzvah is enough to
make it a then we have to revisit
who said that there's a case of noiser
and a case of piggle both of which would
not be considered
because of the fact they didn't have a
chassis
was where it was l
first glance
being that it was never the wasn't m so
it never had a if you're going to tell
me is well
should be
that should be enough pickle the same
thing you're telling me that if there
was a mash pickle then it never had a
shasak as a result it's not going to be
considered one second if the mash's
pickle happened the shas before you did
this so was so then based on that that
in of itself should be enough twoas and
to answer both say two as it relates to
the l why do we say
really we should but we have to make a
super duper right this majus of
Sometimes you make an akinta, sometimes
it's like a super aime. This is a super
duper
is
talking about where you did the
as a matter of fact when the says that
there's a time where would be subject to
is talking about where you didn't make
that super duper in all other cases. You
don't have to say it's what you
physically did as long as it's not what
you did the
one second before that in of itself
would be enough as relates to the
every case of pigle why don't we say you
didn't have to do this
if the piggle was 100% right is talking
about where the piggle was
but the
between the twoen
is that the cashes the gto were very
good cashes If
then you should say
as well
only when there's a mitzvah there's a
mitzvah in therefore we had to answer
this and therefore we had to answer that
we're getting into very nuanced
to go ahead and answer these kash
because we very very much like the kasha
stating that
always gets the final word in chash
I said over this
And I told I don't hear these
was asking that
and that's why
could he hold
and
it's not all these cases
and I heard
that said I hope not I feel
when that that
you don't have to say.
No, means you did this. You didn't do
this. Okay. Additionally, when he went
ahead
and said that
and we made an talking about it was
talking about where the father's
lift.
Yes.
That already not why not. So it's
interesting the punchline the doesn't
even say but says Rashi says it's
because happens.
So to say that I all I need to do is
talk and there's a mitzvah to talk. Well
then even if I didn't say it it's as if
I said it. But as it relates to a so to
say
when it comes to that we'll do albeit
when it's a mitzvah when it comes to
even when it's a mitzvah we won't do it
in the event that it's a stating that
says I have a big problem with this
problem I have a m and this is going to
take us into another heart so why not so
the background to this Next is the laws
of as a matter of fact we're about to
quote aishnaishna.
So the very first so we know the basic
rule of ma is that mil is only in the
event that the kum that you have is
what's known as kache. If it's kache
there if it's not kache then it's it's
not ma. So just because something is in
the state of kach doesn't mean that it's
subject to ma. Now can't have enough
from Kachchin necessarily, but we're
dealing specifically with regards to the
unique par of
that comes with
and maybe
and right so there's many different that
pertain to the world of in order for to
be subject to the laws of it has to be
known as so the Mishna right at the
beginning of not shockingly lays down
the law of the land how you define
when you know something is subject to
and when it's not subject to says the
gave the following rule he said
any that had a
at that point it's not subject to
doesn't mean that there's an means the
other way it means it's not subject to
the so if this is something that had a
there was a time where it was for the to
eat so that's enough for it to become
it's not subject to the laws of
If however you have something that
didn't have
it is subject to
what's examples of that
in the event that it was
or it was
or it was these are all examples of
things that had
what's example of that never was
right. It never became because you
batched up already with the wasul
or if the
if it's
but either way this is the Mishna. So
the Mishna says that in the event that
you have that had a
so that means it became
it's not going to be subject to the laws
of if there was never it's going to be
subject to the laws of how do you know
what's what? So if it was and
so that's considered that there was a so
it's not subject to the laws of if you
did
it was
so then never had a let's see
What part of the mission do we need? We
need that said
these three examples are considered that
it was a hence they're not subject to
the laws of now doesn't the mean it
means when we say that it was mish now
what does lamesh means usually lamesh
means it was literally l but rash over
here says that lamesh means something
different lamesh means that the entire
carbon was l it was mish right
same thing but Just uh
it was m the whole carbon was long. The
bus was long. They mur the was even this
the punch line. The dam the dam was one
means it was the entire carbon was mean.
Even the damn Muslim now okay over here
but you have a if he wanted to do this
he could have done this
and you see that what that it's not
subject to meaning what's the point the
point is we're saying that even if the
dam was even then it's considered that
it was just it was a
if the dam was l that means you never
did if you never did how did it have a
shasana
mean if l means The bos was l said it's
partial why l is considered
it's considered
because when you did this the became but
if you're going to tell me what does
even the dawn if the d was l means never
had a never did again what has to have
the what did the eat the d the let the
buser right that's what they were
allowed to eat what makes the ba the so
if l means the bus was l not the dam So
you did a with the dam. You were mounted
the bosser. It had a but if mish that
means even the dam was lawn. Well if
even the dam was lawn that means that
means
that the was never done. If this was
never done, where's the shet?
Must be must be even if the dam was but
being that you got to the point where
you could have done a cuz I did a good I
did a good I did a good wasn't
it wasn't
I did everything good up until that
point. All I need to do now is
and that's why I view this as if it
happened which gives
which makes the
but you see that we see
even though it's a probably because it's
a mitzvah but even though it's a ma
that's the point that's enough to say
that's like raashi raashi said the only
time you would ever entertain such a of
is because it's deeper. So you see even
when it comes to the case that I've
actually said it doesn't work for the
same exact he said you don't say what do
you mean I see from the we do say
but says your whole is predicated on a
grace that when it says
means even the law right I think if
anybody was learning right now you would
never learn that way that's not what it
means and by the way what the is going
to say Valp is talking about where you
did a proper and the lawn was on the
boss and that's why it had a
because you actually did a not cuz you
could have would have should have done
this weekend and there was a mitzvah in
no that only works by it doesn't work by
mash it's talking about you physically
did so you would expect the gamar to say
it's talking about we are only the law
but being that when we said in the
lab we didn't say we said we picked like
So, we're also going to have a
struggles a little bit to make sense of
what these words even mean. But the
punch line is is very obvious.
It's talking about
when we say that it was it doesn't mean
that the was it means only that the bus
was on. It means that it was say what do
those words even mean? The way he
explains it if the dam was lawn that
means this carbon's possible not again
if you didn't do as you didn't do as if
you did the law if you did as now
there's three different ways for the
carbon to maybe v to become possible or
the boss that's what we're focusing on
did the boss become possible because it
was because it was it was y so we're
dealing with a carbon that could have
become possible al any one of those
three things but again that's just a
roundabout way of saying that it the dam
itself was not but the says
you're telling me so what would be the
if the was actually if it was so it
would be considered that it was
and the would be
but the
if that's the case I have another dictim
if that's the case then does the words
apply.
If you're telling me that in this case
the zika was never done and l means
and the reason
would be enough for it to be considered
is because
even
well then I understand the lion of it
was
what is in the means it means there was
something at some point in the past that
I could have done that would have made
it m if however I actually did this cuz
not even when it's okay because it's a
well that means that
is not something that it had it's
something that it has it's something
that it still is being if it was a could
a would have should have that's in the
past tense if however it's something
that I did so this had or has
also has a problem. It's also
it's also the bos is also but the says
that
of
it's very subtle but that of
is actually more mash it's actually more
that it's talking about where whatever
the
we're considering is was only a but it
actually never happened. There was never
a time where it was physically mut. It
was only a could a would a should have
and is that would be enough. That's true
if
the problem is raashi holds that you
don't say when it comes to and if that's
the case we're a little bit back to
where we were again wanted to say that
even though it's true
but
that's the way he was
with regards to
regards to pigle with regards to the
times where is not going to be
you
from that
in the event that you have that's
enough for it to be considered
to say that right now it's going to be
note that it's not going to be subject
to the laws of now is it no it says
it can mean that's but the
isma it's more that it was which means
it was the dam so you see a foolish say
the sayashi raashi is going to say as
false I stand by my terret the way to
is based on what I said that even though
I agree with what you said I think the
not that way it sounds like you do say
what's the terret the terret
is all about
the
over there. Once the
goes away, there's no way for it to come
back. And over there, it's going to be
one way here. How
there's no way for it to come back.
However,
however, is about
and the takes out almost every single
word of the next four lines. Look at the
takes us to the that four lines from the
bottom. In other words, what I'm saying
is is that there's a between where I
said that you don't say and the said
that you do say
I said it with regards to the Mishna was
talking with regards to regarding
with regards to you don't say
that's the
is it is item is it subject to me or is
it not subject
is enough to say that it's not it's not
subject to however when it comes to is
it is not the says
not everything is
sometimes yes sometimes not you want to
know if this is considered an is not
considered
that can't impact whether or not I'm
going to view this as being or I'm not
going to view this as being so I was
learning in the
Is it not
between
however you're talking about? Is it
considered hem? Is it notem? That's a
different over there. It's over there
it's already going to be different. Now
what's the so if you look at rash
doesn't say if you look at doesn't say
it's not clear from the
what the is. As a matter of fact the
gumar was very wordy. So it sounded like
the Garra probably said first of all the
Bach knocked out half of the Gar. No,
once you read the B the Garra is not as
wordy anymore. But even if you look more
carefully at the
wordiness was just that
saying that when it comes to kadusha we
say
which makes the kadusha go away and once
the kaduca goes away if it becomes tummy
later there's no way for the kadusha to
come back. Okay, that's very nice.
There's no way for the to come back
and with why when it was
the actually went away. We said it
wasn't Hashem. He never explained that.
Right. The wordiness of Raashi was just
explaining that why is it when
ultimately there was an issue when there
was no where was where it was we didn't
say the recended as it relates to the
all he said was
so really says this is about yeah makes
it not this is
And the doesn't make it an it's not
clear what the is but if you look in the
maf the way they explain this
it sounds like what the gumar is saying
is is that if you want to know if
something is of that level of kadusha
where it's 100%
the fact that there's an you can do a
miser right now and by doing that misa
that's going to make the kada have it
that means on some level it's not koe
means
that there's no way for me to even get
it. If I could do a nice and that's all
of a sudden going to make it mine.
that's note and as a result it's no
longer going to be subject to the laws
of as opposed to over here we're trying
to determine is this or is this not
right now it's not what are you going to
tell me I could do is yeah when you do
it'll be right now it's not the
comes from an incredible that this thing
has with and being that I could do a and
make it not that is a a in that and as a
result it's not going to be considered
as opposed to when it comes to there it
either is an or it's not an now we're
willing to take a leap of faith but
that's only when it's a when there's a
mitzvah to do the when it comes to then
already that is not something that we
are going to be willing to do so the
bottom line is
we have two approaches we have two
how to explain
What seems to be a contradiction in ribb
holds
which explained it's based on the fact
that
said this it's based onto
said
the is holds that
be it when it's a mitzvah. So why don't
we say the same thing when it comes to
even if it was but you could have done
the
he said
in the event that you were pick up
before you had you could have done and
you could have taken yourself out of it
and there were two mahal had to answer
this one is to say I hear it's a very
very good kasha and we have to mish in a
very nuanced way be mash of each one the
ters to
is talking about
the case
is talking about
they're good. I recognize them of them
but I'm gonna tease it apart and I'm
gonna make a and we're gonna be mash of
it. The second mahalak was raashik
was that made the only time you say made
is by pion because it's a deeper however
when it comes to then not now said that
does not mean to say that does not hold
at all of the of
the
from a subtle which is an oxymoron it's
from a subtle dick but it's from a
subtle dick from
that when it comes to the laws of you do
say what's the
two separate things what's the didn't
explain the but hopefully we were a
virbe a little bit but the gar is not
finished one last leg to the gar
and this is from this
if somebody brought an asham
And then he was made aware of the fact
that he really had not since and this
next part of the gar is a little bit
lighter. It's not saying much but it's a
little bit lighter. So who brought analy
if somebody had a suffic whether or not
he had to bring a kas you bring an asham
tali. The asham tali by the way works.
So it's like a short-term interim
band-aid but ultimately if the person
ever found out that he really did the a
wasn't going to help. So again if
somebody does a a
he has to bring a karmakas somebody has
a suffic whether he did a bish
so then you don't bring then you bring
analy if he finds out at some point that
he really did it so then you're going to
go ahead and you're going to bring the
karma. So we're talking about a person
that's bringing analy
good news he found out that he actually
didn't sin. So there's a whole bunch of
permutations that need to be
if he was made aware before he did the
so then
says you could take the sheep put it
back in your backyard and you could do
whatever you want with it. Why Rashi
says
because this person was only
that
but he knew somehow
he somehow put into his initial hectish
that if I ever found out that I didn't
do anything then this is a hectish and
I'm out. So being that he found out
actuallyish that he really never sinned.
So therefore, you could put it together
with everything is going to be okay. No
way.
This can't be. And when you say top, so
you made it unequivocally even if you're
going to find out you made it. Now
stating that you're not
so you can't just bring it. Now why not
just bring it?
So you can't just go ahead and bring the
carbon ash. So what do you do? It is
hackish because you asham. So what do
you do when you have an ashum that is
ash but you can't bring it. So you give
it to the past that's the shepherd and
uh he leaves it in the
field waits until it develops a blemish
and then he sells it and he takes the
money and he uses it. What kind of
that's what you do.
the third. He said,
he said, "No, bring it. You want to
bring it
because you never know, right?" Rebel
said, "Let's be honest. This is the only
aid. This suffic is the only this what
you're holding. You did another and it's
for that reason you bring something
else." Now, what do you mean? It's not
just a you only can bring it
says
who holds that is and being dead or at
least asham is I'm sorry everyone holds
that asham can be broke and if can be
broke in a so that's why this is going
to be okay so bottom line is three what
is in the event that he found out that
he really didn't have to bring an asham
if he found that after the that's when
he found that he really didn't do the a
so then is right you did the already so
you can't just take the thing and put it
back in your uh yard or give it over to
the shepherd what's shepherd going to do
with the right it's already it's very
different you take the blood and you
pour it down the drain right you put it
into the where they used to put all the
ander
is going to be burnt. Meaning there's
nothing you can do with this. It's
mcdashim now. And as a result, you have
to treat it like you have to treat it
like now let's just understand this a
little bit. According to it's wise mayor
holds that the whole hectish was only
done. Now once you do the it's too late.
So now you have to treat it like
says that's the way Rashi touches the
it's
that was treated like hence and that's
how you would have to go ahead and deal
with it according to
according to
the is that you 100% but at the same
time
is not a so what would you do if you
found out
what you would do is you would hear
that was already after the so
essentially you have an because again he
was and you weren't yet into so really
you have an
is that
not because of but because of that what
about according to rebar
said that if you found that before the
so what's the issue over here why
it sounds like everybody holds this in
the first with threeas. He is one
cheita. It sounds like everyone's
getting along when it comes to this. So
if you take a look at the mukbita
says I'm not sure could be it's true
only
but again this is way beyond the scope
of what we need right now. Next case,
what would be in the event that the zer
actually took place
at that point? you'd be allowed to eat
the say if again the
person brought the they did the
they even did the now they found out
before the right this is a carbon it's
only so before the ate the basa they
found out that really the person never
sinned but once you did the at that
point
everything is going to be off okay what
we need is the next line
even if He didn't do this, but the dam
was in the
dam was in a where it was made with
that's the punch line. You can go and do
this the and you're going to be allowed
to eat the he said not only if you did
this
even if the is only in the that's enough
for it to be
is the punch line said
he said
where's the
involved but the bottom is right. We
never say
that's
said. He never said
what do you mean?
But the bottom line is said that was a
tricky uh little con there.
But what do you see from here? You see
from here that there's an Indian of
it's a me who's it a cash on a what's
the cash said that I'm not spoiled from
the whole steering cuz I hold
because all it is is a but it doesn't
hold
why because that's already a what do you
mean you seem foolish said
with regards to that
even if you didn't physically do this
when it was once it was in because of
the fact that you were able to do this.
So you see clearly you say
here too everybody much everybody much
to understand it's not an easy gumar to
understand again the simple of the is
not hard if we made it to this point
this shouldn't be too difficult but the
of the gar is hard to understand cuz
didashi say unequivocally that you don't
say
no that was the whole twothirds of said
sometimes yes sometimes not which is
anal is not
you don't say
then he said you do say
so is asking aash that you see and by
the way
that's fine but raashi can tell you yeah
with regards to ding whether the took
place so that we'll say that the boser
became already
to the because the episode was already
so that with regards to
of you're going to be allowed to eat it.
I agree. Just like I told the
it's not going to be subject to the law
of anymore. I was talking about is this
a whole different you don't say so it's
that holds that this right here as it
relates to the two is a
said regarding now it's regarding now we
said that the rash and all our never
really what the was between and so if we
don't know what the was between and it's
very hard to know and I'll explain 100%
with clarity and high definition why
this would fall more under the category
of less under the category of but again
just a little bit hold that this would
be a bigot to the
as
item and
ma as a result of that the garra asks
aasha but the garra say is a very simple
terrorist thankfully is that really the
reason said
it's not the real reason. Okay, that's
good. No, that's not the real reason.
They said over the name of
the
right is
also
says
such a where it's not right. So if you
have that's not 100% possible this time
100% it's
but a situation like this where you have
that was in situation there the is that
the madesh and he holds it's because of
the dam has this like
that's why I could do this and that's
why the boss would be able to be eaten
it's possible it's possible but once you
did a proper it's
has nothing to do with
being that what just emerge was based on
is that
then what should emerge is that
if
right so
should bear of dummy as well. Well, if
that's the case,
why
if it had a right sometimes
that was the original price of today's
where we see that that was the next
right it's both of these things why
Why don't we say
it should be and if it's shouldn't be
it shouldn't be an issue. Now let's hit
the pause button for one second. Who
asked this kasha
is the one that asked this kasha
said that if holds
in the
he should also hold
doesashi hold the
no way no way that's the whole so what's
going on raashi how couldashi be asking
such aasha raashi is the one who doesn't
hold this you know asks This rashi rashi
often rashi moo is very much with this
so you have to say
was asking not
he holds that you don't say
when it comes to only not so if you
don't say by the
either
but again simple understanding
that holds that you do say even when it
comes to tum even when it comes to so
you should say
and if you're going to say
so
why is it thater in the first of and the
second price of rib are both subject to
it's and if it's
and if it's
and here's the punch line is not a is
not to you have to be You have to be a
even with regards to not me. I don't
hold that way. But you hold that way.
Well, if that's the case,
if that's the case,
oh, why? Because it was a Who cares?
But say
now it's offer it's
and if that's the case it shouldn't be
subject to because of the fact that it's
offer so the Gmorra says
and that's not a the reason that's not
aasha is is because there's a concept of
can take something that even though
can't become all of a sudden it can make
it over here we
So that we say even though it's not
but
gives it right where we have it we had
it with regards to we had it with
regards to even though these are things
that really should not be subject to
button.
So to your right this and this based on
shouldn't really be
but
then in itself is going to be okay is
not here but
asks a whole bombash not for now but
just speak out if there's something
called
then why doesn't that undermine the
whole of the
can't become
and it's clear that with regards to as
well right I mean all these cases are
cases if you're going to tell me
so says that even though it's
it should still be subject to
that
between a situation where this is not
because it's physically not or it's not
because it's not
well The simple case
it's physically not
makes it even
where you want to say physically right
now I see offer
even if it was real offer it wouldn't be
a problem. So the fact that I see it as
offer that's of but where the issue that
I have is that it's that's an issue
can't take care of the issue
but the bottom line is one last
I understand
would be would be enough to allow this
thing to become meaning you I'm asking
you aasha what's my kasha The cash is
right that if you say
what's the raashi and he says I
understand
can make something possible
but it can make it to the point where it
create and shen held that it sounds a
little bit like tom means it's tommy
tommy tom it makes a reish it makes a
sheni If you're telling me that the only
reason this to in the case of is because
so essentially what you're telling me is
that is enough to make something to even
diluted and make I have a problem with
if that's the case should be
that didn't have oil in it so it was
dry.
So Ra turned to Raashi. He said posed
this existential question. He wasn't
enough to make
from because he telling me the whole
is based on because otherwise
and it's in all situations that it's
going to be even with regards to so we
should be
right. So it's a little bit of a
problem.
It could be that this whole over here of
that it would be true even for it could
be that's only there's no
could be it was only that meant this
but was
and that's why he had his the bottom
line is we're going to stop here today's
was not the easiest den just like
yesterday's daf was not the easiest den
really what happened in today's daf I
mean if you do the sikum is not ger
What happened in today's was that we
have this grace
who holds that anything that's cannot
become
unless it had a shas stating that
himself gave us this great caveat that
doesn't mean that it physically had a
shasakosha. There's a mus that if I
could have done something that would
have put it in a state where it had a
shasaka that would be enough. Where did
he say? He said it by that's where he
said it. He said
even though it's based on his
formulation it shouldn't because
isap and really the big of the is how
far do we stretch this
specifically? Do we say just like
we say
or do we not say
and by the way if you're going to say
maybe you'd also say is that was a huge
that's really what's going on for the
majority of the latter we already recap
the first part of that's what's going on
for the majority of the latter part of
the d on the one hand there was this
idea amongst if you say you should say
which posed an issue with the price of
who saw
It's not going to be those are all
situations where they were unless you're
gonna make super duper said no said you
say you don't say
and by the way you also wouldn't say
is the one who suggested it that's
but the bottom line is you say it by
pion you don't say it by what's the pion
is anda
are the clarified that's a mus of even
knows it. He knows it from the Mishna in
by the way we have a who said that
he said for sure there's such an idea
there's no question in the world there's
such an idea however as it relates to
this is it is it not that's
what's going on over here but I just
want to end with one very interesting
postcript to today's do there's a raid
bite that's going to stay on the table
obviously it would be socially
inappropriate to speak out raid right
now but a a postcript to today's daf
which I really think is fascinating it's
the rest of the story you know we
mentioned earlier that holds in
that
we spoke out of at the end of the we did
this strategically we spoke out of that
says that if
works to go away from
how come it doesn't work for
how come is not enough to the whole
it's not subject to said works when it's
not doesn't work when it's not where's
that
and where's this you know where it is
it's the famous
as a matter of fact you go back and you
learn
so the It's mamishar suga. So if this
suga sounded a little bit familiar,
that's where it would have sounded
familiar from. And that toy is a very
famous typhus because it's a a toy that
has one and a half lines of gar and the
rest of it, right? The rest of it is
just one big massive tfus. And legend
has its brings it that this tus was
written by the Bali typhus the last
night of their lives. They were
incarcerated and they were being
prosecuted just for being Jews and for
practicing Judaism and they literally
were in a in a basis.
They had nothing and with the blood in
their body they sat and they wrote on a
perish on a sug.
It's the sugia of the paradum. It's a of
and how forboding is this? It was a
and that's really the rest of the story.
That we just quoted is
that
when we learned we spoke out raid at the
last uh stand or whatever the name of
the raid bite was of the Bali to but the
sugi
that we were learn right now and clearly
this is not the easiest sug. And that
you can see is not the easiest places in
but at the same time this is what the
Bali were haring during those final
moments of their life of
but just like the of the which was a
that brought into the
of the of the you can imagine what kind
of ty what what kind of kapor it brought
into the world and it was a strafe of
the g but it was the oius of that
Almost a thousand years later, we're
still haring on this toy. Either way, a
very hard daff a d you have to for a d
that you have to be for. But a
fascinating postcript rest of the story
to the daf. We already attached that
raid bite to d. So that's the raid for
today's daf. But either way, really
merging that raid bite and today's daf.
Now we know the rest of the