Eli Beer From United Hatzalah on The Great Day Podcast (ep. 57)

[Music] ellie beer here on the podcast it's such an honor and a privilege to have you on ellie how are you doing today i'm doing great i can't i can't wait to see you in person but the being within a podcast is almost almost the same oh thank you that my feelings are our mirror yours my friend last time i did see you though you were hanging out it's friday afternoon holding a nice responsible amount of glass of wine in your glass overlooking this beautiful jerusalem and you were hanging out and chilling i was so surprised because this is our first time connecting you gave me the time of day you were so calm so present and you were just in a beautiful zone which surprised me because you're running hot saul united had salah 6 000 volunteers 300 000 cases a year more and you have this beautiful balance of tranquility around you how did how did you how were you able to to be so present even right now with me on this on this podcast you're so chill so yes we had a great time with that uh wine israeli wine i love wine once a week my family lets me to drink a little wine which is friday and shabbos a little friday's friday night so we had a really good good glass of israeli wine overlooking shalom that gives me the really the battery i need that recharging for the week to come you know i see the worst tragedies in my life and i see the happiest things in life because yes see people who survive who wake up and you see babies bored and then you have to uh get the balance i think it's shabbos is the greatest gift of the of of the jewish people so arab shabbos is to sit there in front of you shalom in my home in jerusalem and just look around and little sipping a little wine but a guy like you though shabbos doesn't i mean the the the peacefulness and the control holy of shabbos does it always exist being that you are 24 hours seven days day or night you're always on call that is so true you know for many years i never drink on chavez because it was always uncalled because how could i drink and go out on a call on an ambu cycle or in an ambulance or car you know it's because you have to go save lives i go to shul i go home and then i get a call while i'm having shabbat dinner so i never had wine but now you're not going to believe it i have five hot salad volunteers in my home my son-in-law my three daughters and my wife all hotel volunteers wow nicole's on shop i'm like relaxing so i could drink a little more delegating it's a family business over here that's that's incredible that's amazing so is that part of the progress if someone marries into the family they have to sign up for united hotel we don't let you marry to the family before your united hotel you're picking from the pool of volunteers huh i have four daughters and one son so i have three or you know two are married so one ori is a volunteer of itself he started when he was 15 years old here and you know started a little behind my back i didn't even know about this oh no they didn't really date and then one day word came and asked me for permission to date my daughter and i was like quite shocked he's a volunteer but seller i want to she says listen we i need to get permission if you say no i'll i'll just continue volunteering it's fine i'll give up my dream to marry your daughter wow wow this guy's smooth i like that guy and i said okay i have to and i have to ask my you know my second half so i i got approval get to give the okay yeah okay my second order same thing and now my sword my third daughter is dating someone seriously who's a volunteer and you know it stays at home they all love saving lives which is amazing that's amazing i mean listen how can they not growing up in the home that you've built here this is your your life your dedication you've built something from nothing from to this you united hotsella which is known throughout the world saving tens of thousands of lives year by year was what kind of home did you grow up in what were the principles that you were brought up with that carried through to your adulthood today wow that's an amazing question because i never you know i i get interviewed many times but no one asked me where i got this from really from my home my parents were incredible people my father when he was a young boy gabriel beard he grew up in low east side and he used to raise money while he was a child um they had a holocaust going on in new york my father was safe he was in new york but he went every single day after school after yeshiva he would go into stores and knock and ask people if they could give to dhaka to an organization called bad hat which was an organization to save jewish people from europe and he went in and my father's telling me the stories as a kid how he should raise like 20 cents 30 cents you know a nickel whatever it was then and a dollar two dollars five dollars and he said sometimes people used to throw me out of their stores they said jewish people used to say the jews in europe are not interesting for us we don't we have let them take care of their own we take care of american people we're american now tell me a story and he would cry while he would tell me these stories and i would cry i couldn't believe you know knowing today that six million jews were murdered in the worst ways ever in human race never been such a terrible murder in history and my father was trying to help another jewish person to live and he would get humiliated sometimes and being thrown out of stories and i grew up with these stories and my father's telling me these stories about him after the state of israel was trying to get built my father went ahead and raising money to get to buy guns for the edsel wow my father loved bacon and he was a religious jew my father grew up and low east side went to torvadas and then he wanted to raise money to buy ammunition to protect the jews who were in israel and were getting you know they were getting killed all the time by you know people who were not happy with jews coming into israel from after the holocaust jews were coming in trying to get in and they were killing them and my father went ahead and he helped and my father told me these stories and i remember this this is our home we always had guests we always had guests we needed to have a shabbos when we didn't have ten guests over young beautiful girls in israel or just families would come spend shabbos with us we had an open home to anyone my father would meet someone on the street where he foreshadowed us have him over and he was a home of giving and then one day my father said listen we're trying to get the jews out of russia i was a kid my father he had a business he had a real estate business he had his foreign business he was uh he was um he had a bookstore in jerusalem and and he used to tell me ellie we i have to go to america to help with the soviet jews were not allowed to leave russia it was the ssr whatever it was called that ussr yeah ussr and and my father said you know what i was 15 years old my father took me with him to america my first time he came in i was first in camp and then he came in and he took me to two meetings and i couldn't believe it he was talking about the jews in russia like it's his own family i was like blown away it's not you don't have any family in russia we're all americans like come on what's he found he says he was telling stories and he was crying about stories about different people like you know nathan sharansky and others hundreds like him who were were in siberia because they believed in in judaism they lived in israel and my father helped them raising money for them to get him out of there and later on i found that it was a whole movement that he was involved with and that's what brought me to to believe that if we don't do something good in this world there isn't a reason for us to be here wow so you found earlier on you found these these incredible like the obviously through all the dedication the oneness between between the importance of helping each other as a as a nation um from the way your father showed up to life and that's something that really has shows through in your way of being as well in in tremendous ways i'll share a story with you about my father my father had a he had a he was a partnership in a land in israel that turned out to be a cemetery in the end and when i was a kid my father started building this it was eretz james she was my father was developing it then and with another very famous person in israel and uh he got into it by mistake he moved to israel in 1969 he was looking to do something business there and he moved with six kids and i was born after in 1973 and my father was very involved with that thing and then later on when i was 15 i'll tell you the story you probably know about seller how i went to volunteer in the back of an ambulance and uh later on i decided this system doesn't work we don't get there fast enough you know we would wait too long for ambulance to arrive yeah i started this organization a year and a half later my father's a joke said to me ellie you know you're gonna start saving lives you're killing my business working against him he was very funny my father he had a good sense of humor and but years later he was always saying ellie you're putting all your time into building this organization of saving lives why did you put into business and just let other people do it i said dad i want to save lives more importantly than anything and this than anything you could do so one day my father had a cardiac arrest on shabbat afternoon and my father was sitting having lunch with my mother he lived two buildings away from me once in a while he liked it some romantic time without my kids and he was alone and and the neighbor came and said my father's not feeling well i ran to him and i saw my father collapse in front of my eyes had cardiac arrest and within seconds hotel volunteers came seconds the first one was an arab volunteer matzah he was passing by in the neighborhood and he got an alert on his phone you're the closest oh wow rabbi came and we did cpr my father nine minutes we shocked him with the defibrillator and he got his heart back and he eventually in the hospital he woke up it was 100 normal he said to me ellie i can't believe i used to kid around with you you're putting too much time into that seller you can put all the time you need to get a paycheck from me wow you came you you came full circle until until it's needed for the one person wow you so you're literally your service that you started years ago saved your father's life and the many many others and you touch on so many beautiful points whether it was through the interfaith of volunteers that take place and i want to cover it all ellie because there's so much beauty to unpack in this united seller organization that you've built but before we delve into that i really wanted to go to some people may know your story somebody not but take me back to that day six years old walking down the street of jerusalem well that was a friday afternoon you know i was a very um independent kid coming back from school as a child i you know i used to my parents both worked hard so i used to come back home i had a key it was uh in hebrew they call it a kid who has a key home he comes home alone and my mother was working i used to make my own food as a child were you the oldest what were you the oldest in your family i was the youngest ah everybody's out of the house kids i was a very big difference between my brothers and me and sisters i was born in israel they were all born in the states and uh um i was coming back from school and then they had a terrible bombing on a a noise a terrible noise i don't know what a bombing was who knew what bombing was in 1978 it was not like they had bombings like in some point in israel every week this is a one-time episode then and the bus still blew up but it's not far from me blew up people were screaming people running in the streets it was a small neighborhood a bite forgot it was called very small neighborhood next to yad vashem and i remember people just laying there in the street and screaming for help and it was a terrible terrible experience as a child to see this i didn't understand what the whole conflict was why terrorism started and plo and all this bad people that wanted to kill us and uh i grew up all i wanted to do is help people save them because i saw people laying on the floor and i couldn't save them i didn't know what to do wow i'm leaving on the floor and then when i was a young student in school i said you know what i'll be a doctor but i was a very bad student [Laughter] had a dd and every other any other you know uh thing you could think of you know where the add stands for adhd attention deficit oh donut yeah exactly so uh i uh i couldn't i can sit in school and then it's calling yiddish you probably know you know i didn't knit flash oh man ellie you and me the same you kidding me i couldn't sit down more than five i know we were the same yeah uh different schools but the same being yeah the same character is the same in the shaman today i decided i'm gonna do the easy path if i want to save lives said i'm going to be a doctor i'll go volunteer in an ambulance in israel you could do that when you're 15 start volunteering an ambulance so it's a it's a big ambulance service national ambulance service they have it's a union very powerful but to have a volunteer assist for it that helps them out and i went through study i went it was a 44 hour course minimum course and he joined to be a volunteer on an ambulance and i was sure the first time i'm in the back of an ambulance i will be saving people and then i go um i joined the ambulance i was the happiest day my dad my parents were so happy for me finally i'm on the i'm saving people and it's so exciting you sit there and the siren goes off and you're like driving through traffic and you don't have to stop at a red light you know the driver i'm in the back but it's exciting and um the end of the day my father waits for me and i come back at almost 12 o'clock at midnight and my father's waiting up for me he was sitting on his couch and he sees me and says new did you save anyone today so i said no no we helped this lady at a siege his problem that problem we had one incident was very bad incident this woman she had a heart attack but she we came there we did everything we could and then unfortunately about we did cpr was my first cpr and she didn't make it and my father says well next week and next week i go again i volunteer for eight hours and this went on for a year and a half but after like three or four times my father said did you say anyone i said dad stop asking that annoying question i said it's not so simple to save people it looks simple you learn in school cpr the annie and everything but it doesn't happen when someone has a heart attack they die says you know one day you'll get to save someone don't worry don't give up on your dream just continued for a year and a half and then i realized i started writing down every emergency what happened like when it happened when did we receive when did we get there and i realized response time is about almost 20 minutes wow which is it's not breathing for 20 minutes and after about a year and a half we had a call of a seven-year-old boy choking we were coming out of a hospital in mount scopus in jerusalem and you're like 17 18 now how old do you know sixteen and a half years okay and i used to write down emergency calls what time you know it's a big statistics and we came out of our hospital they said who's available in jerusalem for a call uh like a sos call like a real uh code right like you say and the driver of the ambulance picks up the walkie-talkie and says i'm available just finished it they said rush to buy fagon the same name but i grew and they have a kid choking we rush the driver puts on the sire and he drives like a maniac like an israeli maniac through every traffic thing he could and then we got stuck in a terrible traffic jam he had to turn around and go through another i was like praying in the back this kid should not die and i was flying from one side to another side and finally we arrived to this address and we had a screaming of the mother screaming and crying it was 21 minutes after we got the call and we were rushing up we get to the top forward building and we start performing cpr and the child was completely cold blue and the mother didn't know what to do with a kid choked while he was having lunch and uh we worked for a few minutes and then a doctor who was walking by he was walking his dog and he saw the ambulance parked down and you know in israel they see an ambulance they want to know what's going on but he's a doctor he said maybe they need my help he comes up and he says i'm a doctor emergency doctor says and he sees the situation he comes joins us and he starts running the whole show and everything we were all emts low-level basic life support and he's like after 20 minutes of work sweating there and crying we were crying with the mother and the the doctor says there was nothing we could do just bring a sheet to cover him and it was like the worst moment of my life seeing a child who was seven years old and his mother was and his father came they were yelling at us that we are the murderers and we came two hours late which wasn't two hours but it seemed like to them for two hours and it was like i said i'm done i'm not going to continue volunteering it doesn't make sense we can't save any lives ambulances don't save lives we help people but we don't save people and that moment i realized i had an epiphany i said if this doctor lived a few blocks away and he was just walking his dog while this kid was suffocating to death what would have happened if they would have called this doctor and say doctor if you're nearby just run over to save this kid while the ambulance is stuck i said why don't we get a bunch of people like this doctor who wants to help and train people like me and go and respond to emergencies before ambulance arrive and stabilize patients and and and save their lives and save their damage to their lungs and and damage to the hearts and brain damage so i went over to the ambulance union the head of the ambulance unit i asked him if he wants to cooperate with us and we want to do this and he didn't like the idea at all someone needs help they must wait for him they had ambulance had a wonderful amulet service they had seven or nine ambulances available for people in jerusalem that's amazing but still the timing for that was 20 minutes like that i mean the traffic is crazy the roads are why if they were lucky in five minutes if they were an unlucky 25 minutes 30 minutes it matters if they had an ambulance available in the city don't forget every city jerusalem tel aviv new york mexico city they have resources for the emergency resources what happens if they have a big event somewhere or a few events together and all the ambulance available so you have to bring an ambulance from another city or they have to wait till the ambulance gets available it's like it's like a taxi service i don't know if you remember years ago before uber you used to call a car service in uh crown heights right yeah over there in union union car service yeah used to get it needs to come twenty-four used to order them in advance if you need it you know but unfortunately when people have heart attacks of choking they can't order in advance they have to call it at the same time but what happens if 10 people call the same time you're lucky if you get one if you don't get one you don't get one and i realize that if you have people who are near emergencies you could have a 90-second response because the minute the doctor showed the ambulance he ran upstairs so they didn't want to hear this idea they said no it's not it's not for us so i was like a very stubborn israeli child with american background i'm gonna get these guys don't wanna cooperate with us i'm gonna get this information about emergency calls without them they don't want emergency calls with us so i had some bar mitzvah money that i always kept for rainy days is what you invested in i took the environments for money i had most of it i bought two police scanners from radio shack in new york wow strong hustle wow what a what a move i'm going to buff emergency calls from them we're going to break into their emergency system by finding the frequency of the of their walkie-talkies and you can hear everything that's going on they don't you know they they just share the information for their systems you can hear taxis you can hear police you can hear ambulances or fire uh we were listening into the ambulances wow what's hutzpah what uh brass does that is to to step up and to and to start doing that when you show up to to uh to to a scene where they turn to each other who's this guy like what's what's he doing here who brought who brought the kid so the first time i actually went out to call was an amazing call i didn't of course i didn't tell anyone about our new initiative it was just in between us uh by the way getting into israel was illegal then you know we weren't allowed to bring walkie-talkie scanners scanners israel i mean you know israel very tough about anything so um i went ahead and i got these scanners and i'm listening into the calls i'm working for my father in his bookshop i'm the walkie-talkie is on my belt i'm so i feel important question important that's sort of i'm listening to kentucky and they say jaffo street oh that's too far they say this also right here hap street this is on the street my father's book shop is and i stopped selling the books i just run out of the store the guy that i was serving thought i'm crazy and i hear a car accident i just run there i see a guy on the street 30 seconds after i got it took me 30 seconds to get there and i get there the person is on this on the floor a car hit him and he's bleeding everywhere and i see a terrible bleeding on his neck people surrounding me no one knows what to do i'm the i'm the hero here i know what to do so i run over to him and he's not talking but i see he's bleeding and he just happened this a minute ago so i i take my yarmulke i didn't have bandages i take my yarmulke off my head i had a bigger one then and i i folded it and i push it in to this person's neck i'm pushing it in trying to stop the bleeding as a tourniquet and then a while later an ambulance shows up and people were trying to help me no one had bandages so that's what i use and they took it they took the person they wrapped them up and they took him the hammers driver says to me how did you get here i said oh i saw you know i was i was here you know my father's bookshop okay they go away and i thought this guy's not going to make it because i've seen accidents last year and a half i'm a volunteer i saw terrible accidents like this people didn't make it and then i get a phone call two days later this man says are you ellie beer i said yes he says well my father was treated by you two days ago and you saved his life he woke up this morning hospital and i was like i can't believe it he says my father wants to say thank you for saving his life so i started crying i was like the best feeling in the world you finally saved the life finally saved someone i'm a year and a half in the background ambulance i'm finally the lightsaber and i i said can i come visit your father he says of course i came to hadassah hospital i'm coming into this room with family surrounding him and i said i'm illegal they were so excited to see me they're all like you know like excited and they and the man says thank you for saving me i have such a great feeling that hug was the best hug and then he takes his hands off me and i see he has a number right here wow he has a stamp number on his hand and i was like that was like the moment of my life that i everything changed that moment seeing this man in the hospital with a stamp on his hand of a tattoo number that wasn't given to him because he wanted it yeah he was a helicopter survivor and for me to save a holocaust survivor i grew up in a home where we didn't have any hardcore survivors all the cousins were murdered and my family was from new york so my close family my grandmother was new york i never felt that hug from a holocaust survivor and i said wow if i could save one person i could say more and then this doctor this very israeli doctor his name is professor dr rifkin comes into the room and he's today professor very israeli he says who's the kid who treated him i said he says you're the kid okay two things first you just know he was on coumadin which is a blood thinner and if it wasn't you stopping his bleeding you would have been dead wow he says next time don't use a yarmulke if you want to save someone get a real bandage to stop bleeding you guys even within the compliment they have to throw in a little shade he says to me you want to use the yamaha to take hot stuff out of the oven that's okay all right let's stop bleeding he says i said that's the only thing i had he said that's fine but buy some bandages if you want to be a hero i took his compliment and i went ahead and i bought the first bag of oxygen uh bandages you know this oxygen tank you see here carry it everywhere with me a bag with all the medical stuff i need i don't have to use any anything else besides the stuff in my bed and i said if i get enough volunteers with these fat with the defibrillator they didn't have defibrillators in but if i get enough volunteers we'll have this medical supplies and we'll know what to do i need to get some more walkie-talkie scanners from america more stuff come in an operation so we have to start this operation that's a pivotal moment in your in in your in your life what what kind of you know just as you're growing up you're now in your like mid eight you know teens and you have like this this like husband you have this uh ambition to now go and save lives and to really turn into something real what kind of sacrifices do you have to to give up as you know a young teenager living in israel um was there much you had to do or did you enroll your friends and say hey guys let's do this let's make this happen what was your next move and what challenge did you come up against earlier on well i didn't have to sacrifice anything i had the best time of my life i really didn't sacrifice a thing in my life of course i could have been richer i could have had more time with my family i could have had this but i think there is nothing more important than what i'm doing and more fulfilling in terms of i promise you i never have a day that i don't feel that i did what i have to do this is this is the biggest accomplishment in my i'm not fulfilled yet i have more i want to make sure no one ever dies from choking from a hot dog no one there is no reason a person should die from choking it's the same reason there is no reason the same thing there is no reason they should have airplane crash they do everything in the world to make sure airplanes don't crash yeah right if you would think of how many hundreds of thousands of people how many thousands and thousands of people i don't know exact number die every day around the world children thousands why there isn't thousands of people dying from crash airplane crashes you could prevent this by having professional people have all the emergency calls routed to them like we do to our volunteers that's a great yeah life compass app right yeah genius there's no reason in the world today if you think about it you go out you want to go to the airport you're in you're in l.a or in new york or in uh in paris you just take a nap press uber lyft or whatever these companies are today you press a button this is my address 15 minutes an ambulance arrives why and that's something i wanted to fix when i was 16 and 19 years old and i'm happy that i was able to do that in our way in israel now we have the fastest medical response in the world we have over 6 000 volunteers who are spread all around the country and they are waiting to get emergencies calls the same way uber drivers are waiting to drive someone to the airport but our volunteers are doing this get zero in return the only thing they get is satisfaction huge what was that i mean the response time for these am uh for these um for the ambu cycle or is three minutes or less you know with this new system that you have it blew it's it's so innovative and so different what was that meeting look what did i look like was it just you thinking about it was there a team like how did you come up across like this is something that we need well this andy cycle thing was part of the system the system was the idea of having a network of people it's very much like if you think about it very much like uber i mean i'm using uber now as an example but many other companies like them that give service basically by having a network of people everywhere so you don't have one centralized place like ambulances and they have all the ambulances parked in one place or the hospital or whatever and then someone calls for help they send that animals think about we were trying to create and we did create thousands of people who are spread everywhere and they and they stop everything they do and they want to help people while the ambulance is on their way so we had a problem we saw a problem we wanted to fix it and it was easy to fix because people want to be heroes people want to save lives yeah what's the biggest challenge for united hudson today so the biggest challenges is just breaking barriers breaking bureaucracy you know i always say what do you come up against what what do you come up against what's something that keeps showing up because i still have a problem we started this organization by breaking in the system of ambulances sharing emergency calls we want to make sure that all ambulance emergency calls are open source they should not have priority of deciding who will get the emergency or not they make money from it all ambulances that transport israel they have to make a living they have to pay salaries have thousands of salaries they have a union they have to take care of their workers which is acceptable but i don't think it's acceptable if someone has an emergency call if someone in trouble no matter if it's a child three years old or a 95 year old man who's having a heart attack that person needs a 90 second response so ambulances always think this is their client this is their you know this is their patient client they need to take them to the hospital because that's how they make their that's how they build we don't think that should be we think that if some someone needs help a big microphone should go all over the country screaming who's close to mr cohen who's having a heart attack run over and save that mr cola right so we have technology that could do this but the barriers are still there bureaucracy is still there and we want to make sure that no one will stop us from saving lives so thank god we're still we have a good system but it could be better it could be faster we want to make sure that they have a like it should be not only in israel everywhere around the world sure you are sitting now in l.a and i know your mayor if you know your neighbor god forbid is choking or having or drowning in the pool and they call for a 9-1-1 you want to be there helping them 100 yeah if you hear them screaming you would run out of the in the middle of the interview if you hear someone screaming ellie so sorry i have to stop this i have someone screaming i don't know why but i want to go help them think about it think about the world how how much better would be if you if you don't have to hear screaming you just have an app on your phone saying mayor emergency emergency someone needs your help and that's and that's something that you're you're you're implementing throughout the world i know you're doing a lot of training throughout the world for different ems systems but is this a long term this is a five-year plan of not just in israel but throughout the world to implement this to train regular people every day the everyday folk to to know what they just a little bit so able to save a life and get download that app let that be the most trending app of today well that's exactly my goal i want to make sure it is rat hashem that not only we save lives of everyone in israel but the world learns from us the kirusha of think about it in africa every village in africa every city in in america in europe or in south america or in any country in australia they will take this implement this idea that will be my accomplishment if i know that the world would change and say you know what we could save millions and millions and more people a year if we have this system i know i proved it in israel we treated this year 540 000 people it's just the hardest year of our life you know what we're going through and i went personally and everything and this year was the hardest year of united and seller financially we had to raise money to go through you know buying oxygen and buying equipment and buying more ambi cycles and it's challenging to raise money but we continued our work we didn't stop for a second and we went up to 540 000 emergency this is not our job this is our responsibility we don't get paid for this when i help mrs bernstein the 90 year old lady who is on the floor now and i'm helping her get up to her bed and helping her and giving her a cup of tea because no one else is there to help her if she calls for an ambulance she will be charged and she doesn't have money for calling for an ambulance so she calls united salem we're there it's not our job but it's as a human being it's my responsibility to help someone who's in need and i think this should be everywhere in the world everywhere in arab countries i went to dubai and spoke about this in front of the rulers of dubai saying you know what this is this united states you could implement this here in dubai have the shaykhs with the ambi cycle drive on uh with the white stuff an orange jacket and going to save people and they like it because it's it's true this is the best it's humanity at its best in 2006 you changed the name to united hat saul because you started to you combine the different programs and you and you started bringing in different face and different people from different face to be volunteering within that was that a was that something that didn't exist beforehand what shifted in the organization to start bringing in different volunteers from different backgrounds i'll tell you we we i mean if you look at hatsela tell exists in new york in l.a and many places in all the jewish communities that tell is an amazing organization new york crown heights in bar park and williamsburg amazing amazing people same way in israel we we created this in the jewish communities we started in a very small orthodox community in jerusalem we went to benebrach and went to haifa i went here but all religious communities and then one day i realized that we as religious jews we get the fastest response but it doesn't make sense that someone who's not in a religious community who wants to be saved has to wait for 20 minutes or 15 minutes for an ambulance so i started recruiting non-religious volunteers that's all and it actually was the best thing we ever did because it's not like we didn't want them in the beginning but it was like you know like in israel everything is sector you know yeah everyone's alone you know yeah you have all the casino every facet is his own rabbi his own rebbe his own this every lit back is alone every this and that and i said you know what let's connect all the jews together and then one day i get a phone call from an arab person he says my name is morata leon and i'm with another guy called muhammad ashley i want to talk to you i said what is it about he says i want to talk to you about azola and i i couldn't understand it what he said he couldn't pronounce the name right i said he said i thought he said hezbollah i said do you want to talk about hezbollah i said okay that's the bad guys guys i said what do you want to talk about i said i thought maybe he wants to sell me something i don't know medical supplies or whatever i said uh what is it about he said i want to become a volunteer what's whichella wow these guys out of my back like come on i mean we don't have arabs in that cellar you know we never had anyone who's not jewish was all jewish we had secular jews and religious jews but never arabs and then i said you know what sounds interesting this guy says i really want to meet you i said okay come by we met um and they say to me muhammad says my father collapsed i live in east jerusalem we waited 55 minutes for an ambulance he says my father was dying in front of my eyes i didn't know what to do i didn't have any training i said finally ambulance came he worked on my father and he died i mean you have a bunch of brothers and sisters young kids he says my father died i could have saved him if i knew what to do i want to now save other people i want to do it in my memory of my father and he was saying that and i had chills in my whole body i said you know i told him muhammad when i started sallah it wasn't about saving jewish people it was saving people that was the whole goal we never had oh let's tell you it was you know we saved people and i said muhammad i'll join you in together only if you bring 25 other people with you wow erics and they said i said i'm not going to join only you i want 25 of your friends get them together i'll join you in we'll do a course we'll train you we'll join you into hatzela and when i met these people that joined in i saw fathers and mothers of children who want to be lifesavers you know children of parents who are older want to save their parents but not only that they said we want to save everyone we want to save jewish people and anyone so i said to myself hashem gave me this hoot to do not only a life-saving mission but a kid of hashem mission and i said to everyone i said all these guys you're welcome to united salah and i changed the name from had salah to united until in israel what a big move how did that change your perspective um on other religions i mean you seemed like you were very open-minded since the beginning you even said it was about saving a jewish life is saving e-life um but is that sort of the world that and the life the home that you grew up in with that openness with that acceptance um because sometimes we could come across people who are a bit more focused on the jewish life and not just i'm not judging that in any sense of the word of course but to have this openness this ticking approach to the world is somewhat unique where did that is that something that you worked on was that come naturally and and how is that how was that perceived earlier on when you wanted to start bringing people on did you have any pushback well i'll tell you what i never really realized you know we and i grew up in israel the first thing i saw when i was six years old you know as a bomb attack who did it arabs yeah so i never really had any relationship with art i never thought anything good about arabs was as a child and i realized growing up and by the way my parents were very very like that my father never let me say bad things about other religions hashem created everyone in the world hashem not only created the jews we have a responsibility as jews to be to make a kid of hashem my father always says when you go as a jew you have a responsibility you can't do things that are not appropriate because you're jewish and you have to do a killer hashem my father always taught us to treat other people the same as we treat ourselves and my father once rescued a woman in israel and she was in a situation she was a tourist and she wasn't dressed appropriate and she went to a place that in masharim that she wasn't accepted properly people were yelling at her my father went and he was screaming at them leave her alone she doesn't know she came in she really came in not appropriate to the area which she didn't realize it was a mistake and my father went ahead and my father was so proud of it that he did that and he put her in a car and he took her out of the neighborhood and then he said if you need anything you're always welcome to come to our home my mother was so proud that my father did this and he's always like that and when i got this call from muhammad and morad i was like you know what this is not by accident this is everything meant to be i'm not giving less service to my brothers and sisters the jews i'm giving more service adding arabs to united nationally we're giving them a broader network we're going to get to 90 seconds everywhere and if you remember they had a bunch of yeshiva students three shiva students who were attacked in 2000 intifada the second intifada that started rosh hashanah their picture was in the new york times they thought they were palestinians that were beaten up by soldiers if you remember yes one page of new york times picture palestinians getting beaten up by soldiers it was actually yeshiva students they were attacked by palestinian you know people bad people that were doing bad things then intifada part of the people that were saving them then were we had an air volunteer that was helping us there and helping so this was one of the first ones that actually he didn't join yet but he was later on he because what he did he was one of the volunteers to join and he told me ellie i was there helping these students get out of there wow and then later on in in the attack they had in the hare bay just a couple years ago three israeli policemen were they're actually jerus israeli policemen they were shot by a terrorist on horrible on the holiest place to muslims and jews and and other religions think we for us the jewish sisters bait them ignac and they also have a mosque there and he attacked three israeli soldiers and two of them were killed and the third one was treated by an arab united national volunteer who came with an ambi cycle into horror horrible because he lives nearby and he saved the third soldier it's a policeman and he got an award for it afterwards and he got attacked by palestinians who said how could you as a palestinian arab guy you save an israeli soldier and he says i save a human being wow so the fact that i did this is not it's all hashem i mean i'm a believer that this is the sheriff this is meant to be i believe that every human being has a right to be saved and saved i believe that i believe that what these actions were did is saving many many of our own brothers and sisters and their brothers and sisters because the connection between lives saving lives is so huge that's a beautiful thing i mean to be able to be a facilitator and to open up i'm sure many people's first time experience to be able to work with someone from a different faith in israel in jerusalem and throughout is is a massive opportunity of of peace and growth and understanding and respect i even know now with the uae deal many of my friends are flying to there and they're experiencing hospitality and kindness and conversation with with arabs who at one point they thought this this is what they believe this is what they want from us they want to destroy us and of course like you mentioned there are those who are who are who are bad and who aren't have a good will in mind and then there are people who just want the same thing as us they want peace they want respect they want harmonious tranquility for their family and and growth so it's it's that's a huge huge thing that you're that you're doing a huge um huge um service to the world what keeps you up at night you know i'm worried i'm always worried about you know making sure the organization does its mission and continues and has the resources to do it that's my main main concern i'm really worried because building an organization is quite easy but keeping it going is hard and i'm happy i wake up in the morning after a couple hours of sleep and i see the reports from the night before how many people got helped and i said wow you know i'm sleeping and people are helping it's just amazing i sleep a couple hours not many but i see reports coming in you know last night we treated 700 people like it's amazing during the night 700 people got treated that's amazing it's true i mean you are president of the united head seller but you're also managing the beer realty your family business as well as you have a wife you got five kids i mean how do you how do you add more hours into a 24 hour day how do you have 60 hour days ellie like what's what's the secret to the oldest balance that you find in the time that you create for yourself i'll tell you what it's it's just amazing to see how much you could do when you're busy the busier i am i accomplish more things and i always i realize that you know doing business with busy people is the most rewarding thing you know i'm busy i don't have time to eat sometimes but i i get everything in i have an agenda i know what my purpose is in life my family knows everyone gives in to my agenda and they all joined into the agenda we spoke before like every single person i know falls in love with this idea and said i want to be part of it and they stay in forever i mean i don't have people in a cellar who come in for a year this is a lifetime mission and i have people incredible people i'm busy with my mission now it's spreading the word of mattel raising the funds needed by tella and the operations are going i was asleep for a month you know that yeah since we're going and it's just amazing to see united astella is alive and i worry about it because it's it's the end of the day it's my baby but i have so many other people who feel like it's theirs the same way i feel it's mine wow and how do you how do you instill that within somebody someone who's leading a business right now or an organization how do you instill that because it is your baby you invested all that time and all that money and resources to build this up but how do you enroll somebody into the same dream into the same possibility and to and to give them this the same yearning to want to keep this thing going and growing everything every single time i meet a new volunteer i give him that hug that i got when i was 16 and a half years old from that holocaust survivor who i say i give the same one i don't have a stamp of the nazis on my hand but i have that feeling that i give the people that join in and i make sure they all feel it's their organization this is not my organization i'm one of the founders which i say has so many great people like i tell them you're the founder you're the founder everyone's a founder of this this is not an idea that came in i build you know amazon was billed by one person he owns amazon he's a billionaire he owns a hundred million billion dollars whatever i'm i had a vision and i got a lot of people to join in this hood this merit of saving lives is born to all of us every time we save a life you know i once heard a rabbi say to me very wise person because we had a fight between a guy a volunteer of ours was was fired by his employee because he was going to save a life eric pesach he was delivering chickens for for for a butcher shop in jerusalem and he was he was so busy with delivering chickens and and he forgot about the chickens because he was so busy but he had an emergency call of a real emergency and he saved the life of a child and it took him like 45 minutes or an hour and his boss fired him and and he and he was calling me he was crying on the phone i felt like i was fired because he's a volunteer but seller how can i leave him alone i went ahead trying to convince him his boss bring him back to work you know he said no it's done he goes out to so many calls he's always responding he's not responsible i need someone who's not in that seller to volunteer for me to work for me yeah you're going to tell him more than he's working for me so i said to him you know what i'll do i'm going to take you to a dinner to a like a court i came to court yeah jewish court you don't bring him back to work i'm going to take it to a jewish court and they're going to take away your kosher stamp from you from your butcher shop whoo i always played hardball over here so i we went to this rabbi very wise rabbi and he heard my mike he heard this volunteer it's david his name was he said listen i'm i'm working him i'm working 10 hours a day 11 hours a day 12 hours a day sometimes some once in a while i have an emergency there by me i have to go what can i do how could he fire me for anything like that i didn't go play poker and i said this guy's a good guy he's saving lives and he's he's working for his guys so they come so the chickens are in a refrigerator anyways what's the matter come 10 minutes later or an hour later so this guy says oh no i have a guy delivering chickens for a job not delivering babies if he wants to deliver babies i tell her let him deliver babies i don't want him to live so the rabbi listened to all of us and he says you know what according to a jewish halacha he doesn't have to keep him working for him he can fire him because you don't have a responsibility to keep a hotel volunteer or go out any time or day and night to leave you and same way my you know you live in a home sometimes your spouse doesn't let you do this but if you find the spouse that does you're lucky so i see he says you could fire him no problem so we lost the court case then the rabbi says to this guy you know what if you bring him back to work i'll make a deal with you the 50 50 50 on the mitzvah of saving lives he says you never saved a life you're a butcher man but this guy saves lives if you let him work for you i'll give you 50 50. so volunteers said why am i giving 50 of my mitzvah i worked so hard on this i trained i was an army a paramedic he says no no no no the railway says you have nothing to lose because the mitzvah of saving lives is like fire it's a fire if you take a match it doesn't take away from the father fire exactly you have a fire you can't take away part of the fire if you light another fire you're giving a mitzvah of a life saving which is the in in the torah there is no bigger mitzvah than this the rabbi says give half a minute but you know it's israeli negotiations the end of the day so we were about to sign the contract and then they they got to at some point the owner of the butcher shop realized that it's 50 50 only during the weekday the weekdays what about the weekends the weekends too you guys said no weekends i'm on my own i don't work reese's yeah but you have money to buy food because of me i want you to give me half what uh what are you eating over this mitzvah how beautiful is that that's a beautiful place we were like starting a whole almost like a fist fight about the weekend negotiations finally after compromising this almost a deal went bad and they decided to split 50 50 during the days of the work and then weekends it's 25 and that's how we finish the deal it's so it's hilarious wow what a story ellie i mean well it sounds like mashiach times when two jews are fighting over that how much scar they're to get from the midsole which is limitless anyways on paper that's that's that's pretty that's exactly if you think about how why volunteers really feel upstairs they feel the same way i do over 6 000 volunteers dedicate their life now for this mission they stop work i i'll give you an example because you are you're an incredible person i see your videos everywhere but if i offer you now a job i offer you a job i'll give you two million dollars if you do a nice good viral video on shabbat take your video camera take your crew do a nice video on shabbat i don't know you would you agree yeah it's not it's you gotta have your principles you gotta if you lose that you lose yourself right so i tell you i think all the ortho we have non-religious volunteers of course i'll take the orthodox volunteers about salah united hotel volunteers in measuring vinay brock no matter where the orthodox orthodox people i'll offer them two million dollars to drive a motorcycle on shabbat in the middle of the neighborhood two million dollars a lot of money i don't have that money but i'm just offering that as a theory right they would say no but if i owe from zero to drive the ambi cycle to save a lady that's not even jewish not a member of their family they don't even know this lady it could be a lady from rwanda who's in israel and she fell in her house and she needs help this man would drive this volunteer or drive on an ambulance cycle on shabbat to go help that person and save their life that's the accomplishment that we have that every single one of us did i do want to be before we start wrapping this up i i know you did talk touch on earlier on how that hot seller was kept on going while you were a month sleeping you were in you were out you know you had covet and you had a terrible reaction to it how was that just take me back to that space how was that experience for you and this is actually a question we do i do ask on my instagram people to send the questions before i have a guest on and this is actually a question that came in from miriam tenenbaum a mutual friend of ours someone who works for united seller and she had a beautiful question saying how has your perspective on life change on life saving changed once you're on the receiving end of it well i got sick in miami i was traveling towards united attella all of a sudden i didn't feel well i ended up in a hospital i was one of the first patients this was in march right after porn that was when everything started and it was almost the end for me i'd say goodbye to my children the doctor said my chances are very low and i couldn't breathe you had that conversation you had that you said goodbye look the doctors knew who i am the doctors knew i know about i know what intubating means i'm not you know i i'm doing this for 32 years my life so i know how many people survive from intubations and i had a really really bad reaction to clovid 19. and i was i couldn't breathe my lungs were shut down and i the doctor says i i was begging the doctors to tell me what's my condition and finally to say listen i said what's it what's the percentage of survival so they don't like i don't like hearing percentage of survival it's not the right thing but in europe they were saying five percent of the people that went on ventilating survive in spain in italy china the numbers never came right but the numbers were very bad so not in my favor right so i i had to say goodbye to my own family which was the hardest thing in my life to say goodbye this is it i asked my children to be with kids to be to do good things in our life to do what i said it was very very hard it was friday afternoon and then the doctors you know the doctor asked him to pray for me he said i'm an atheist he said do something good for me i said just do questions i explained what pheasant is wasn't jewish he says oh i like that idea i'll do something good for you know in your honor so i woke up a month later and then the doctor came to visit me says you should just know i prayed for you i started believing in god after you woke up wow it was funny to hear that from him ellie whether you're on your on your feet or on your back you're inspiring people yeah and i woke up and and i was worried about acela very very very much and i then realized what it means to be a patient in a hospital waking up in a diaper needing a nurse to help you i realize that in that cellar we always help people like it's their own family no matter who they are we go when we treat them we go down to their level we try helping them not to scare them and stand above them you know i would say do go down and talk to the patient on your level and now after being in the hospital and getting treated by nurses when i had it i needed someone to clean me up and i couldn't move i couldn't get on my bed and then i realized we have to go down a few inches below the patient's level to make the patient feel more important than you and that's what i came out of being in the hospital as a patient i think a lot of things came out of it but this is one of them that's huge if you had the bandwidth to start another another organization what would be the purpose of it what would it do what would be the functionality i think it has to do with antelope because i can't go somewhere like ah there's something else you gotta do what's up i'm saying we're talking hypothetical now i'll tell you what i think i grew up as a kid like we spoke before with add hdad who knows dyslexia a little everything imagine and i was saved by being a volunteer in the neighborhoods i think my life was saved i could have ended up i was kicked out of school all the time i was a bad student i was a troublemaker and if it wasn't for the ambulances my life would have been maybe who knows i would have been in it my parents would never have the nachos that they had if it wasn't for that and i was saved luckily because i had that incident when i was six years old that pushed me towards it even if i had i didn't have the education i forced myself to be in this and i realized over the years i adopted thousands of young kids my age into otella like uri my son-in-law who came in the age of 15 because he was kicked out of school and he was hanging on the streets and his father begged me to take him in or else he's going to be a drug addict and who knows what happened with him and i took a lot of children into what'sela who were a lot of them were religious orthodox kids being in the street for them would be very dangerous because once they open up they open up to the end it's done and forget about religion that wasn't the main concern it was like other things you know crime and other things they go into and hundreds of kids were adopted by united seller over the years and become mentions become incredible people we started a program for them they could start volunteering younger in logistics if they do three years of logistics volunteering logistics and they have to study once a week torah and they have studies english math and other studies we will let them be real volunteers and medical volunteers and they become medical volunteers ori started when was 15 years old a few years later he he became a cyber security expert wow he didn't from the training that he got through your program yes he lived he didn't know how to read before and uri came because his brother became addicted to drugs and he wanted to save his life and he wanted to do something good in his life his father said tell us something he's dreaming to be one but he's too young i said you know what let him volunteer a couple years in logistics cleaning the ambulances setting the equipment and everything else and if he does well he could also study and do other things these kids not only he became a uh perfect student in the technion program techni and one of the top schools in israel for cyber security essa learns torah once a week finished six ma six parts in the talmud and he finished he never did that in school when he was in yeshiva wow that's something i'm very proud of and a lot of these kids are not orthodox they become non-orthodox but they're incredible mentions and they become good jews good people non-jews and they become lifesavers at the end of the day so that's one of my things i would do if i wasn't doing the lifesaving part is saving children from falling out of uh you know into the street and then ending up because sometimes they grow up a little different and they're not they don't get along with their school or family yeah it seems like a lot of guys right i mean it seems like people who do great things in life are those who didn't fit into a box you know who who had like this tenacity had this creative edge they had this energy that couldn't be contained and people didn't know necessarily how to how to utilize it and how to gift it and how to nurture it um it's it's what do you think that where that comes from and who in your life i mean i know you you actually had your the ability to witness and and to have this drive to want to save people so that sort of set you straight um but when it comes to when it comes to someone perhaps who's listening now like a a teen or a young adult who's wants to become more selfless so they want to find their why any any words of wisdom or advice around that i'll tell you first of all sometimes like we say they don't fit into the box so they get kicked out of the box instead of making the box a little if it's square just make it you know you can always bend the box a little you don't have to always have exactly into the box you have to ship something it doesn't go exactly so you could push it in and change the box size a little and that's exactly what you and me believe in and i really think you know what if a person especially us that grew up orthodox thank god for my parents if it wasn't for my parents i would never be where i am today and i think a lot of kids are not i'm not lucky to have parents like that but parents who it's either black or white nothing in between no other color between black and white you're not my color you're out of this because we have brothers and sisters we don't want them to to follow your pathway but unfortunately they lose their children and these children many of them fall into situations where they don't have a way back if you see how many kids i have a program in that cellar today for these kids i have another program where people who did small crimes children young kids did small crimes stupidity crimes so the judge says instead of going to jail go volunteer and sell it in logistics wow and i tell you these kids end up some of them are teenagers who do stupid things driving or things to get punishments instead of going to jail and then destroying the whole life this is something that was very close to my heart thank god i was never in a situation like that i was always a good boy because i have good parents and i saw other kids who didn't do well in school and and didn't have a way to go nowhere invited them to come and they destroyed their lives and destroyed other people's lives of course and i think this is something that we could tell every youth never to give up you have you have you every person has a a reason to live in this world every person in this world has a purpose you're not like just a machine like you're part of a machine no you have a purpose every human being has a purpose so if you don't fit into the purpose and don't think you have to give up of everything you have to change a little change a little but don't give up the essence of life itself and being a good human being and adding some value to the world and if something stops you find a way around it like the israelites but you know yeah and and you and you had that you you embody that you went ahead you know you saw an issue you got those scanners you you went about it and you've been and you're fighting through it you you show up to you know you're sort of the earlier on especially with the underdog in in the scenario when you came to the ambulances and the unions and you had this hospital this tenacity you say hey you know what you don't want to accept me a certain way i'm going to show up and do it my way i'm going to go ahead and pursue it and i think that's a really beautiful way of elevating what we sometimes deem as not great chutzpah but taking that and saying no i believe in this i could go for this i mean i know where i'm going i'm going to have it all clear out for me it may not but i could if with every step doing the next right action it will lead to somewhere exactly and everyone in this world has a purpose and i always say that the people i save are people that get you know people of ours just who are involved you know and saying i see this guy comes over to me he said he's a truck driver of a uh he's sorry he works in the back of a garbage truck in jerusalem and he this guy has three kids he saw a very bad accident happen a few years before a kid run over by a bus and he was picking up the garbage to put it in he didn't know what to do he was a garbage truck man you know like he didn't know any training or anything and he saw the kid die and then took time for the ambulance to come so he went and he would and he heard about joining united but he was he felt like wouldn't want to join a guy who works in a garbage truck like he goes he has to make a good living but he's he's the end of the day he's working in a garbage truck and he was welcomed with a big welcome he got the ellie beer hug big hug and i gave him this big hug and then a few a few months later he joined he was a very active volunteer because he works early in the morning he goes to work three o'clock in the morning and he ends his job at nine o'clock in the morning so he has a whole day to save lives and he's running around saving with his own private car but he would like an ambush cycle so we got a donor to donate an ambush cycle and honor someone and gave it to him because he was very active he started saving more lives and he calls me up he says i want to meet you he meets me okay i meet him he says ellie you saved my life i said what do you mean i say delay he says oh you want to know my story he says i have three kids not even once allowed me to come to their school to meet their their teachers every meeting with teachers my wife had to go and not myself because my children were embarrassed that i work in the garbage truck and they said other kids make fun of them and they call them your father's a garbage man you're a garbage chi they were making fun of them like kids do and he said to me i didn't even go once to visit them in school he said a few weeks ago i was called by united nutella because i went out to over 2 000 emergencies in whatever amount of time and i deserve an ambi cycle and they gave me a brand new ambi cycle with a helmet and a jacket and everything and all the medical supplies and i was so excited i got home from hotel and i drive to my home my kids see the every cycle i put on the siren for them i put on the lights my sons was so excited that my son says to me abba could you come tomorrow school to show the other kids that every cycle wow he says ellie i have no idea what you did to me he says i drove to the school the next day i came recess and all the kids were surrounding hundreds of kids they saw this emmy cycle i let them put on a siren the school were happy about this it was keeping the kids busy he said all send myself my think about it what a value of this person his life changed he's helping save lives but now for him his life is safe that's such a beautiful story i mean that confidence and self-respect and what that instills in a person it gives them purpose and meaning beautiful ellie do you think we do this for no reason we do this for a lot of reasons it's and there's so many different levels you're not just saving like you mentioned the person who's on the stretcher you're saving the person who's volunteering and the people who are watching and their kids and their wives and there's this ripple effect of just incredible beauty that takes place all starting ellie wow may you continue to be blessed to to grow um united selah and the other ventures that you're part of and to this idea is so fantastic about really empowering every individual with the ability to go and save a life uh through this app to this technology what what is what is immediately what's next what's uh the goals for the united states in the immediate future i just want to finish my my mission in israel 90 seconds everywhere i still have places to cover so i need to raise more funds to get more volunteers trained i want to get more mb cycles i want to get more what's your annual budget now for the whole country is about almost 25 about 25 million dollars a year u.s u.s dollars unfortunately a dollar is not so strong like it used to be so it's a little more a little more powerful than the shackles though though still more powerful yeah so but thank god we have we want to get to a few more i want to join another thousand volunteers this year we had the last volunteers joined last year 2020. i want to get more volunteers to join this year because we just need more volunteers we had a few volunteers were left because of covert and people got sick a lot of volunteers got sick and some people are older so we just need to get fresh blood into the organization so i have a little more to do and uh and find the next leaders of the organization which i do they're doing a great job as i told you the organization didn't stop for one second we worked harder than ever this year last year so uh we have good mitzvahs to do we want to do more and uh amazing more people join in and and go into our website israelrescue.org love if you could put it into your thing absolutely where yeah please do share where could people find more information about you united seller social media social media is uh unitedheart zelda h-a-t-z-a-l-a-h we spell it differently united had salah uh it's on social media of israel united style israel but also israel rescue.org is our website and people can contact us they want information they want to support they want they want to learn more they have a lot of great videos here and they're going to see your video on our website too ooh when when the um we'll put over i think you have more followers than we do but oh you can't you can't um compare and you also um you also did a great video with my buddy nas as well and that was really fantastic yes nice great guy i love mess yeah such a good big shout out to him what he's doing out there and um ellie what's a great day for you every day honestly every day is a great day for me as long as we're saving lives i think uh my greatest day this last year honestly i my greatest day was the day my grandson was born last year was my first grandson yeah i'll show you a picture it's everywhere gabi oh beautiful for those who are listening i'm right now looking at uh the screensaver of ellie's uh uh phone and a beautiful beautiful baby boy so i had a lot of great days every single day is a great day but when i became a grandfather in the age of 46 very late so um i i really felt like you know what i'm finally a human being wow that was the moment you felt complete you felt whole i feel complete i'll tell you why an adam every creature has an ashama life you know every creature has it could be a dog a cat any animal really has a life and i always thought what's the difference between an animal and a human being i really think what's the difference there is no difference if you think about it you know we we have the torah of course adam was donator but as a human being what's the difference between an animal and a human being if you think about it animals have tremendous connection to their children not every animal but some animals will kill if you would get close to their children they love their children animals care about you know some animals are very smart like human beings some animals are smarter than human beings but no animal has a connection to the third generation the only creature has a connection to the third generation is a human being and i felt that day when my grandson was born gabi was named after my father i am finally i'm a like i i'm i'm like you said it before i i'm a human being like i this is it not that i i felt uncomplete before but i really felt complete when my child had a child wow that's powerful well elie may you continue to to be blessed to have much nachos from gabi from your children from future grandkids without hashem and made the united head solo family continue to grow and to keep on saving lives on all the different levels all different aspects and you're a shining light and it's it's i'm so appreciative that you took the time to be on this podcast thank thank you so much