Meaningful Prayer: How to Talk to God - Rabbi Dovid Orlofsky

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life of a Jew I said it's a regular day the there's no um uh life events you're not getting married you're not getting buried you didn't have a baby you know what I mean there's no circumcision no pigeon a bin no per a regular regular day you know and there's no holidays it's just you know it's not an unusual day you didn't kill anybody you know you didn't start a romantic relationship with a cow you know I mean it's just a regular day yeah when you think about out what Mitzvah most of the Mitzvah are built in once you make your home kosher and you buy kosher food so you don't even have to think about keeping kosher um if you're a girl and you've made whatever wardrobe adjustments are necessary for you to dress with the sne laws so you just get up in the morning and get dressed I say that factiously of course I have eight daughters no girl gets up in the morning and just gets dressed they spend the an enormous amount of time staring at all their clothes in their closet and then they go to the second closet and then they conclude they have nothing to wear but uh but assuming that the clothes that you have meet the your basic sneeze requirements you know if you're a young man you know get up in the morning put on your yamaka and your titas the only thing that we would call ritualistic throughout the day isila and uh daving is the ongoing ritual that goes on during the day there other aspects to your day but uh but as far as what we would call a Mitzvah we would think of it as terms of a ritual it'sa that's uh so much of what takes a our time so I I I talked about this a little bit when we talked about Europe but I want to try to get a little more practical so I want to focus on an area and it's essential to but it's essential to our entire life which I call God Consciousness God Consciousness means that there's a God and he exists and he part of our life now you know there's something called the mitzvas six Mitzvah that you get without too much effort one of them is just remembering that there's a God every time that you think that there's a God that of itself is such a powerful thing you think that God is good you know you're you're an a of God you love God all these things are mitzah you get them automatically that's why it's uh amazing thing when people try to make a and calculate what they've done in the course of a day we don't even count the to medius and how many times we are racking up Mitzvah just by thinking that there's a k and uh and I want to try to talk about that a little bit from a practical point of view uh once said that it's possible for a guy to sit and learn in K an entire day and never once think about a you know it didn't pop up in any of the sugas so I can sit there and work to get deeper and deeper into uh a particular area of a particular understanding but where's in all this yeah you have to remember that that's the central principle of everything as says at the beginning where were we created to get pleasure from God and enjoy the his divine presence because that's the greatest pleasure of all so being able to have a relationship with a is the greatest thing that there possibly could be so when we sayem it's which is almost always translated poorly as fear of God it's a big problem with English translations that uh They Don't Really capture the essence of what you're trying to to say in in Judaism but uh fear of God is not your as Hashem it's or and uh when we talk about or it's that wow factor it's that wow wow is awesome that's awesome filled with or unbelievable experience and I gave the example before that person gets ready to D in and there there he is oh my God I mean that's you so who' you think you were talking to nobody I didn't realize you were really there or as more than one from person said to me I know there's a God I just don't believe it which makes a lot of sense that's the know it and place it on your heart it's not enough to know something intellectually and has to become a emotional reality to us and there are a lot of things that we know intellectually but don't become an emotional uh reality smoking right uh eventually they they never wrote when I was growing up everybody smoked you know every room you went into had a had a haze over it of cigarette smoke you know and at some point they would would write on the package the Surgeon General has determined that smoking can be hazardous to your health they changed that to smoking kills then they started putting on pictures of diseased lungs and you know few and far between can possibly be the people who don't realize that smoking is going to kill you my father died of lung cancer I remember we was sitting shiver and the doctor came someone said do you think was the smoking he said well he had heart disease uh lung cancer and empa I'm going to have to say yes but my father started I mean he was born in 1925 he started smoking I don't know 1930s he uh everybody smoked then no one even knew there was a problem so uh so he was he was stuck in the end he drowned because because the blood clots were forming in his lungs so quickly that there was no way for them to get rid of them and he literally just drowned to death I watched him die and uh that makes an impression on someone and then I see from people smoking so okay you see an old fir man smoking so you figure okay he's addicted I see kids teenagers people in their 20s I see somebody walking with their uh baby in a carriage smoking a cigarette even though secondhand smoke is is uh is also a terrible terrible thing and I used to try to engage these people and have conversations with them most of the time they would get angry but if they would bother even responding to me they'd be like I could stop any time I want how about now not now but any other time [Laughter] I'm thinking to myself if you knew what it was to to die of lung cancer probably wouldn't be so flippant but it's not a reality not a reality two of my brothers smoked they had heart attacks in their 40s um me and my brother didn't smoke we had our heart attack uh you know our 50s it's much better but uh when you have in your 30s it's pretty early both of them stopped smoking after their heart attack my father was a addicted smoker he used to say it's not hard to quit smoking I've done it dozens of times yeah it's very hard for me I remember once he had bronchitis and he's smoking and choking and choking and smoking just couldn't stop after his heart attack he stopped smoking so what happened you know they had their heart attack and they had time to recover in the hospital so they decided to finally read the searge and general report and they were like oh taka this is dangerous no of course not it's because now it's in reality to me it's real you you don't um you don't sense the reality until then it it it it brings a consciousness so I could know something intellectually but till it becomes an emotional reality to me rby tats tells the story that when he was uh working in medicine in South Africa this fellow came in who had this condition I forgot the technical term for it I apologize uh where if you smoke it cuts off your blood flow to your limbs he says and it's very easy to cure just stop smoking he says I was in the hospital and by the end they had amputated both his arms and both of his legs and he had his friends hook up uh attachment to his wheelchair so he could keep smoking even though he didn't have any fingers any arms to be able to put him in the reality did not sink in not sinking and I don't mean to minimize it it's very hard if desler was a chain smoker and when he found out it wasn't healthy he tried to stop smoking it was very hard so he put a picture of his family on his desk and whenever he reached for a cigarette he would say I don't want to make my wife a widow and my children orphaned he says but I kept finding reasons to go outside of the office until I did a public nether took a public vow that I wouldn't smoke and I don't know what stopped me he said breaking the vow or getting caught breaking my public V so I understand it I am a diabetic type two diabetic some people get born with it big deal I worked hard took me years to get this [Laughter] diabetes and uh I have to be very careful and sometimes I am and sometimes I'm not you when I'm being good and my various uh you know dietitians over the years have always told me no you don't it's not put into terms of good and bad but yeah those of us we know either you're being good or you're being bad when I'm being good good someone says do you want a piece of cake I said I don't know is it worth dying for I don't know if it's worth dying for I mean it's pretty good you know and every now and then they'd say yes this cake is worth dying for I said okay then I'll try it and only once they were right now that was not the best that I ever had I will tell you the best that I ever had there was a bakery in Brooklyn called loens I didn't know this but ichy loen Brown was Mish and uh uh he was the uh head of aob anyway a real really really special person but anyway um uh they made cream puffs I was in seventh or eighth grade we were at a shabbaton at the Young of Woodmere we me and another kid were placed there and I don't know whose house I was I don't remember if you're still out there and you happen to be watching my podcast I want to publicly apologize for this but uh we sat down AR chabas and they pulled out a box of loen cream puffs that they had bought for chabas and they you know gave us some juice and said no help yourself then me and my friend took a cream puff and we looked at each other went I had never had anything so delicious in my life and the two of us finished the whole box we just polished it off I apologize I'm very sorry especially because they went out of business even if I could find you I they don't make them anymore I have never in my life had a cream puff that good I've tried i' I bought them from every Bakery I can find I have never found anything on par with Len's cream puffs if there's somebody out there who knows how to make them them you know it might kill me but I will go with a smile on my face but uh okay so I know I'm not supposed to eat these I love K oh my gosh if anybody knows you know just you know [Laughter] maybe when uh he was learning at our Benji Risman um who ryman's son uh I did a shabbaton for re Ryman SCH um but uh more important his grandfather owns ryman's Bakery and I was talking once how in erel uh there are no um prun hin they haven't figured out that that concept over here so uh he sent me a box from his grandfather's Bakery of of prun hin uh it was very very special moment my my 30 2 years of lumire show I'd have to say that was definitely one of my most special moments Dominic the cry was also nice but but those prun humach so if anybody out there knows somebody who could still make the L and hitach you know L and cream puffs I'm not saying I'm going to eat them all you know on a regular basis but like you know save it for a special occasion and you know take a little extra uh extra medication to another shot of it [Laughter] insulin so okay I know I'm not supposed to be any of these things that's when I'm good when I'm good I say is it worth dying for other times I don't even think about it when I'm being [Laughter] bad so um so the the point is that you know something intellectually but to make that a reality so people say to me I know there's a God I just don't believe it so if he was to suddenly appear to you and there he is it would be a mindblowing experience because even though you know intellectually but the emotional reality is so much more difficult so obviously when we Davin right we're always supposed to picture that a k is in front of us but specifically when we're in we're supposed to feel like we're talking to that there's a give and take so how do you develop this what I'm I'm talking about God Consciousness so I want to give you some techniques that uh I've employed in my own life never found anybody who was able to uh to give me these tips personally um but I know from my own life that I've tried them and they are effective I've given them to other people who have tried them and they said they're also effective so let's start at the beginning intellectually we knows a God that's the first step first step is intellect if if if you're not really sure if God exists then you have to spend at least the intellectual effort to see if it's true or not I had a guy once in and he says to me where's all the happiness in Judaism and I said it comes from having a relation ship with God right having that relationship he says well I'm not sure if I believe in God I said then I have nothing to offer you if you like your filter fish great you want to eat a matah enjoy yourself you know knock yourself out but if if there's not a God and it's not real then the whole thing is make believe if there's no God and and we're just keeping this going for fun forget about it Jewish culture is not enough to keep the Jewish people around it's just not that our culture is just not that much fun let's let's call it spade a spade now that's why we raise money to get Jews to teach them about their culture you every hear Italians raising money to get people to eat lasagna no people like lasagna but you have to pay people to eat that Jarred gilter fish because they keep wondering what's the goo in the jar and any answer you come up with just doesn't sound good so uh so it's a uh it's a challenge to come up with something that's that's uh going to be meaningful so we pay people to come you know and listen to kesma and dance the H and eat the filter fish but it's nobody wants to do it you understand the culture is not enough so if there's a God and this whole thing thing is true and it makes sense I understand if not what's the point MTI burer this was years ago when reform and Reconstructionist still cared about inter marriage um so this Reconstructionist Rabbi said to him he says you know I tell people that they should marry Jewish and they say I'm a racist he says you are a racist he says but you tell people marry Jewish goes that's different I actually believe in this I think there's a God he gave the Torah this a Miss of the Jewish people you you're just a cultural Jew it's just racism for [Laughter] you so I have to do the intellectual effort and I have to sit down and try to look at all of the evidence for God's existence once said to the brisar who needs AA any intelligent person can figure out there's a God who gave the T just based on the evidence that exists and answer you're right auna begins when it doesn't make sense but the concept of figuring out that there's a God any intelligent person could do that but you have to do the work you can't just say there's a God because I heard there was a God you got to figure it out for yourself according to the r that's the first myth from the Torah is to know that God exists I have to figure it out intellectually so that's the first step but once you know that God exists the next step is making it a reality now it's always difficult having a relationship with someone that you don't see and who you talk to and you don't get an answer from so I learned to errell we used to write arams back home you could write an actual letter but then you had to pay for a stamp arams were cheaper it's a piece of tissue paper you would write very small on it then you fold it over half the words came out with the glue and it all got ripped off didn't make a difference took two weeks to get there two weeks you to get an answer by the time you got the answer you didn't remember what you wrote in the letter so it was mostly just to you know let your parents know you were still alive yeah if you had a really good friend you would make them a tape you would get a tape recorder and you would record um an entire tape for them this is very hard there's nobody there you're just talking to the tape recorder uh it's 8:00 um well we finished the afternoon seder and we had dinner and I just wanted to make you a cassette to let you know I was thinking of you and to let you know what's going on uh here in Yeshiva it's uh it's 8:01 um we learned obviously it's what we do in Yesa morning seder and afternoon seder and um now we're going to have night seder and uh and I'll get back to you later he sit there talking to nobody I know people who cannot leave messages on two machines hi this is so and so please M leave a message the be beep they just hang up the phone it's too hard for them to talk so I'm supposed to be having a conversation with somebody who doesn't exist and I say when people say to me how do I know what God is how do I have a relationship with God I said try talking to him they said I Davin I said I didn't say Davin Davin becomes meaningful once you already have a relationship with a I said talk to him as if he really exists I know God exists I didn't tell you know that God exists you know God exists now talk to him as if it's real not just that you know it have a conversation it's very hard it's very hard it's very hard yeah it's one of those things where I can honestly say you know when people say easier said than done no it's just as hard to say it as to do it because doing it is saying it so try toing the god um okay uh dski here well you know that um anyway I just wanted to share with you what's going on in my life uh what's happening here you know very uncomfortable you're talking to somebody who's invisible you know intellectually that he's listening but you certainly don't feel feel anything keep at it talk to God all day whenever you have a chance I'm not saying do this in front of people they might think you're a little crazy but there usually some downtime if you're nervous take out your phone pretend you're talking to [Laughter] somebody and you have to start talking to God now if you stick at this got to stick to it you you're going to move to the second phase and the second phase is you feel like someone's listening to you now you know what that means Steven kovi in The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People lists as one of his seven habits active listening this is people who don't just listen to you but you can feel they listen to you you can sense that they're listening to you now there are some people who have a lot of trouble with this I have certain people now I've never been one of those uh-huh uh-huh people I find it very disruptive and and it throws off my train of thought soone someone's talking to me I tend to listen very intensely so somebody will call me on the phone and they'll talk to me and uh I don't keep going yeah yeah uhhuh uhhuh I'm just listening and you have people every now and then I get a phone call from them and every half a minute like hello hello are you there hello yeah I'm here I'm here okay no cuz I didn't hear anything no nor will you because I'm busy listening to you anyway so I was hello I'm here I'm still here they don't feel that I that I'm there sometimes one of my kids say to me I feel like you're not listening to me I say what but uh but the point is that sometimes you're talking to somebody and you sense that they hear you even if you don't see them like I say could be be on a phone call you're just sensing that they're listening to you if you stick at this and you talk to eventually you will see or you will feel the K's listening to you it's it's internal no way to measure this but just like you sometimes talk to a person and you know they're listening to you sometimes you talk to a and you sense that is hearing you and listening to you now if you keep working at this the third thing is you'll start to get answers now if you start hearing voices you have serious problems I would definitely check myself into an institution could be lithium will help but uh but there's a problem you shouldn't be hearing voices yeah when I say start getting answers it means you start to see in your life doing things directly for you that are weird I've had people who were hanging around me and one guy put it so interesting he goes I feel like there's a rip in the time space continuum around you I said no that's just because my buddy K does stuff for me all the time and my kids know it's one of my Expressions you know all of a sudden we'll go someplace and a car will pull out and we'll have a parking spot right in the front and someone says wow that's unbelievable I said n does stuff like that for me all the time and he does he does so many things like I say we talked about last time but every now and then there's things that are out of the ordinary where you say wow that's unusual of G Linsky during the Gulf War so uh someone said you know all the missiles that were falling and nobody was getting killed you know he says you know it's uh you know is he goes no no no no if you have to get to the bus and the bus pulls up just when you get there and you run and you catch the bus that's if you're in the middle of nowhere the middle of the desert all a sudden the bus pulls up that's a nice these are Nim right there's something in between making the bus and the bus magically appearing where it's um unusual where K is looking out for you and when you incorporate a into your life is more likely to let you see him as it says in shim peeking through the cracks such a powerful idea my kids were little and I would take them to gun so we're talking about they could be two three years old you know I one kid would say don't wait for me I would come up in the elevator and they say don't wait for me I say okay and I would as if get back into the elevator but I would stay and I would watch through the bars in the farewell and watch them walking to God and they would turn around to see if I was there but they didn't see me peeking through the cracks I guess CU they didn't expect to find me there but if you look you could have seen me peeking through the cracks the says is peeking through the cracks he's watching us and if you develop this Consciousness you can see him there now when you start to sense in your life and it's a two-way relationship because you're talking to him and you feel like you're being heard and then you start to see things in your life that is in a reaction to that now when you get up to DAV the whole daving is completely different thing f is a different experience when you know the person that you're talking to is really there and really listening and that yeah it could be that what I'm going to say is going to have a profound impact okay um we'll go to the question and answer section of the show Anonymous asks can you please explain the whole concept around SOA it can't really be about a couple having an affair and only the woman gets punished can it no no can't be next question so let's understand the concept um the the the story of the SOA does not exist in a vacuum right the husband sees that his wife is having an intimate relationship with Bob I have I have to say this because I got a question where someone says usually when you make up a a name you say Harry Rabinowitz yeah says is there any significance to that because that was my grandfather's name no I'm I'm not nitain for your um uh grandfather the reason one of my go-to names is your with is because of a joke that I heard when I was a kid where uh there was a um an appeal and this guy stands up and says I Harry Rabinowitz of Rabinowitz ladies wear located on Orchard Street this week we're having a special s sale on skirts to hereby donate $1 million anonymously so that name Harry benwood stays there but my go-to names for um just people when I when I talk about a guy it's usually Bob there's something about the name Bob that I find so you know uh physically harmless hey there Bob let's turn to our correspondent yes Bob you know and for a girl my go-to name is Susie yeah Susie unless I'm dealing with more than one girl in which case it's um hanni bani and shanni anyway so uh so he sees that his wife is hanging around with Bob and he says to his wife I'm not comfortable with you hanging around with Bob goes oh don't be silly we're just friends goes I know but every now and then you lock yourself in a room with Bob long enough in order to have relations and I got to say I'm real uncomfortable with that and she's like oh Poo we just playing a fellow anyway her husband brings over to Witnesses and says I do not want you to lock yourself in a room with Bob long enough to have relations now to my mind I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation you want to go with Bob have a cappuccino I'm okay with that I'm not thrilled but okay but when the two of you lock yourself in a room I get a little edgy so sure enough two witnesses uh see her in a locked room locked they tried the door it's locked with Bob long enough for them to be able to have relations at that point she is now forbidden to her husband it's not just a jealous suspicion I told her in front of two witnesses not to lock herself up in a room with this guy and she did so that's it according to the Torah at that point they forbid and they have to get divorced parenthetically that's true today if the husband says to his wife I don't want you locking yourself up in a room long enough to have relations with Bob and she does and two witnesses testify they have to get divorced there there's no way out so the woman protests her innocence nothing happened I tell you nothing happened he was showing me pictures of his children there was nothing here so we say listen lady you got to admit you know you cross some lines here she says I'll do anything to prove my innocence and they're like listen just get a divorce maybe marry Bob get off your life says no no I am sure I'm innocent she has the option to go to the Bas of mcdash and drink this uh potion made up of of uh dirt and the name of God and water and if she wants if she wants she can drink it to prove her innocence and if she's innocent she'll be okay and if she's not innocent then she'll fall apart not fall apart like when you get bad news like literally fall apart you know pieces are going to startop falling off parenthetically the same thing will happen to Bob Bob Bob also gets it yeah so at any keep telling her you know you want to just drop out you could just drop out they keep giving her options to drop out you know but if she wants to prove her innocence the Torah gives it and the way it's presented is that God allows his name to be erased into this water to try to make peace between a husband and a wife so um uh so it's not that the woman's getting punished we don't drag her in and force her to drink this stuff we say listen you know you have uh broken all Moray in your marriage uh a woman who's locking herself up with a man who's not her husband long enough to have relations uh you know you could say it was just poor judgment but when the husband tells her specifically not to and she does at that point there is as we say Raa there is a basis to this suspense it's not just a jealous husband who's nervous he really is afraid that his wife is having an affair and uh and that is the concept of SOA and like I say all goes up to her if she wants to say I don't need to take this I don't have to I don't have to be abused this way I'm I don't have to prove anything to you I'm going off on my way come with me Bob so they get divorced and uh Hey better luck the next time you know okay next question Tova black asks is there a substantial difference in the ashkanazi good heerim in Israel or is it all politics oh my [Laughter] goodness well Uncle Dave's going to get himself into a little trouble now I'm [Laughter] afraid uh I spoke to uh mashki in uh and I said what's the best has and he says for sure the OU I said the U why he says because with the exception of the OU every has is a private hash which means someone's making money on it the Orthodox Union has a separate cerous Department that is run by professionals they don't get a bonus if they sign up a new company they don't make money if uh they do something that's new they're providing a service and it's being run by professionals and that what he says they don't do everything to the highest levels but whatever they do you know is trustworthy other hasas are privately run basically every other hash in America is privately run um people in the kers field have said to me that the uh most reliable hash in the world is KJ Galas because they're yis and they don't know from any any anyti we do it only one way like we did it in Frankfurt anyway so they don't fool around and that's why a lot of the kous scandals in America were un covered by KJ because before they um uh will use any product they check it out personally to to check up on the other hashas and that's why they have found problems so back in the 1980s we had the famous vinegar Scandal if anyone's old enough to remember the vinegar Scandal there was one of the from hashas that had a uh vinegar that came from France under its hash and um and all the fir companies were using it because they trust each other except who and don't trust anybody that's why there's the expression why you being such a yeka that's where it comes from and so they called up the company in France and they said you know going into pesak does this vinegar um have any grain in it and they're like yeah sure so they stop and they say does it have any great products in it and he says yeah sure he says uh is that kosher wine that you're using goes no he says well what does the mash say he says what Mash he says the supervising Rabbi they said what supervising Rabbi the company called us up and asked if we would like to have a rinic certification they sent us a form we filled it out and they sent us a uh a certificate and we pay the money every month so it got out that this vinegar that everybody had been using was strafe was strafe and uh and there's a tremendous pressure to give hash to things read RAB Blum Z's PES guide which is still coming out even though he's not around um similar to there was this uh marshmallows that were kach PES that the r had passed away and still had his hash on it so I guess it was divine supervision anyway we answer to a higher authority but in any event um so if you go to the r Blum cr's guide which is still coming out he has a whole section on problems that exist in kosher hotels and the problems are extensive when I went for p to gateways so was the that's why I I felt comfortable when I used to go to the Granite the were from and is about as imaginative as also Al like this you know there's no no shtick involved yeah when I T D I had two guys in my who could not read Hebrew who were masim in a famous um PES hotel and they said to me listen listen we don't really know too much about K but me and I our friends we wouldn't eat there we went out and bought ourselves a frying pan and made ourselves eggs we wouldn't eat anything that was cooked in that kitchen this listen I'm not a big or anything but I could tell tra when I see it anyway the so so when you have a private institution yeah now here in Israel we do better than that we take private institution and mix it together with politics so are there politics yes is it only politics no it's always an issue of conscious and therefore you have to see so sometimes it's politics what do I mean okay I didn't check out anything we're about to say it could be everything I'm saying is sheer I'm just telling you that up front but this is not you know me already I just repeat what I hear right yeah so there was a bakery in Brooklyn where evidently there's some difficulty between the satma and the bells so they got two hashas one from satma one from Bells so somebody opened up a bakery here uh it was in K Bells um it's near the osad over there in uh in Chef Mahajan and they called mois and they also wanted to get from bells and from satma in this case it would mean theat and and the B and the bat said if you get a Bell's hash we will not give you a hash and he said no no we'll buy everything that you want us to buy because if you have a b we will not give you a yeah that's politics that's politics yeah um there was a heure that was started by a Ked political party I don't know its status today but for a long time everyone knew it was unreliable and uh but it was sponsored by this political party why was it unreliable because they gave the positions out to uh people who had worked for the election campaign so you want to reward these people by giving them positions they gave them positions their Cash's organization they were not experts in Cashers so sometimes the problems are politics but not just politics sometimes they problems just of politics and sometimes they're problems of actual Cashers and you have to know what and where and it is uh uh it is a Minefield I spoke to uh one Dian and he said to me I said what can you trust without any question and he said to me the Ruben hash and that's why a lot of people trust the Ruben Hask um somebody told me that he was at a bar mitzvah of the son of one of his masim and the guy who uh he gave theh to to his Factory he gave him an envelope right Reuben ran over and said give give it back to him he says Mitzvah gift he says no no no I pay you he doesn't pay you you don't take any money from this man give him back the envelope so uh there was a Reuben Restaurant my son was there and one of the people from Cashers walked in and everyone dropped what they were doing and backed away on the plane there's this TV show of this uh cooking show called chopped you know and when they say time's up everyone has a drop what they're doing move away from the table that's what it was like everyone droing the doing moved away and he comes he's looking around my son says what's going on he goes oh you don't understand he came in here once he didn't like something he kicked everybody out of the store locked the store and wouldn't reopen until he was [Laughter] happy there is a hall that had a Reuben hash and uh the guy in charge told the mash yeah we don't have a party tomorrow we don't have a party tomorrow and uh it was suspicious you have to be suspicious if the Muny chicken uh debacle teaches us one thing it's that you when you're Mash you got to be suspicious so he stops in the next day and sure enough there's a party going on under the bat of the I'm not saying B is not Kosher I'm just telling you this was an exclusive Ruben place so he called up somebody from the head office he came in walked into the guy's thing took down his tud ripped it up said you were no longer under Ruben and he says no no no this this is a separate B he says no problem no problem you want to be under bat be under bat he said but but I have people who booked parties they want Reuben he goes tell them you're a crook and a liar and so you don't have Reuben or I guess you can forge your certificate and put it up for them he but but can't you reconsider he says call me in 6 months and I'll think about it so as one person said to me either everything's Kosh or everything's trfe I I don't think that that's true but are there problems there are definitely problems because as bad as profit motive is um politics and profit motive is even worse so so uh are there problems there are problems caveat MTAR B beware ask questions you know um things are uh things are difficult and if the new K's legislation that they want to pass gets passed it's going to be even worse okay well on that happy note that cheerful thought uh want to thank everybody for uh your attention and for listening and if you want to find out more about this show you can go to my website row.com you could leave a comment you can send an email you could submit a question for the question and answer you could sponsor an episode 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