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Meaningful Moments with Meaningful People
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so first off we want to say thank you to
a mood
what's your name okay oh you wanna start
off like that i mean we're talking to a
whole new audience i know sure uh i'm
jakob langer what's your name my name is
nacho gordon nice to meet you and we're
here to discuss our favorite moments the
most powerful moments from meaningful
people podcast yes which we host
together and we have really incredible
people but so first of all i want to say
thank you to sv for being one of our
first guests being so vulnerable and
just talking about amudem and the
organization and what they do it's it's
mind-boggling do you remember uh yes i
remember i know you're going with this i
know i called him the garbage man of
college no i wasn't gonna say that i
don't remember that i was gonna say do
you remember after just like looking at
his phone like how much it blew up i i
think that
the statistics that you know they put
out are just like
maybe sometimes you think oh these are
just numbers but
when we were able to sit down with
sweeney and discuss it with him each
number represents a person in crisis
it's really crazy and it's just wild so
you know c says this all the time and
we'll just echo it that
the day that i moved them is able to
just close down and
cease to exist is going to be a
beautiful day right but as long as
they're not please uh give them money um
so we want to go through a few of our
moments
we didn't have to we wanted to we want
to
go through a few moments um okay so
we're gonna break it down this is i'm
just talking from my heart so i have
written down over here noiki roberts we
had which i think was your first time
ever meeting him right my first time
meeting noiki you've heard about him a
little bit happens to be somehow related
to my
brother's wife
hassan family really originally from
gibraltar so ah so um is everyone's
related
is it gibraltar or gibraltar gibraltar i
keep forgetting i know i also thought
your world talk you went to gibraltar
yes did you land on water i did not okay
but people do people land near there
yeah i'm supposed to take off to leave
from there but this unfun fact about
revolter is that when you go there
it's there's also like very often storms
so i had to actually drive to spain and
i you needed my passport it was so not
worth it so i definitely don't recommend
to land or take off from the water there
like in a plane like a water
no no no not like that that's what i'm
talking about oh no oh runway next order
the runway is literally next to the
ocean and you could see morocco if i'm
talking about like one of those water
jet planes no oh no i did not no that
would be so cool i know and i'd be so
scared to do that no i think
i think i think that maybe would have
been safer because it's prepared to land
in the water either way um so we had
noiki roberts and he said a lot of
things definitely check out the full
episode but there's one story that i i
was blown away by and
i'm here listen to the story you said a
lot of stuff to me a lot of stories and
inspiration that strava says about you
like i don't know five years ago yeah
there's one particular story and i think
it's it makes sense with what you just
said now that maybe you could share i
don't know if it's like a very private
thing and i'll reference it hit me
cigarettes
oh okay
i'll say it yeah i'll say it
it's it's not a comfortable story to
share that's why i'm asking you and
maybe i'll offset it you're so kind for
asking on the area
and it's so cool i'm so cool
you want to know something the more real
this interview i think the more ill
touch people listen
and the more staged the more wooden
it'll feel so i appreciate it and i will
share it and
i'm not comfortable it it irks me and i
feel it wasn't even my place and so many
times in history i've gone through that
story in my head
did i do it right did i not do it right
and i really believe
that hashem himself i think i did the
right thing
i was i was
gibraltar to give this story some
context is is pretty much like a
duty-free shop in amer in an airport
right there's no duty on cigarettes
there's no duty on alcohol it's much
cheaper um there than most places in the
world
and
i wasn't in gibraltar very long i
mustn't it could even have been in my
first year that i was there and i got a
phone call if i'm not mistaken it was
late on a sunday night
and a guy said to me hi this is xyz and
i i said
no not ringing any bells i don't know
who you are he's like yeah okay it
doesn't matter i know who you are
that's never a comfortable thing to hear
you know late at night
yeah we're listening in we got and and
he said is it possible you can come meet
me now
i said is it is it urgent he goes yeah
yeah
it's urgent that's where are you he was
actually
next to the runway in gibraltar the
runway in jp is a cool piece of
information there are like railroad
barriers that come down when the plane
has to land because the plane lands
across the road that we drive through
into spain so he said i'm right by the
runway
that's okay
so
i i have a little motorbike so i went
down there and i met this guy and then i
recognized him i know the family he
married into in england
and
it pains me to say this but he was what
you would call a from guy okay peace be
shiva's right
and if that's what qualifies yeshua's
right but
he and he said i need your help
so i'm like getting getting ready and
mode of course what can i do for you
and he says i bought a campervan
does that make sense like a you know
yeah rvh type thing right and he says
well there's going to be we're going to
replace the bottom and it's going to be
a fake and we're going to put cigarettes
in it we're going to we're going to
smuggle them across the board and i'm
going to make a fortune
i'm maybe 22 years old something like
that and he looks me and says i just
need someone to buy the cigarettes every
day
store it in a house i'll do the rest
just once a month i'll come i'll take it
out your house
and he was offering me some
exorbitant amount of money per month to
do what i said five million dollars it
wasn't five million but it was a lot of
money it was it was well more than a
regular salary a month to do
his dirty work for him but
maybe even legally i don't even know
you know buying
cartons of cigarettes holding them in
boxes and then he can come and take them
and
legal or otherwise i just looked at him
and instinctively something took over
inside of me and i just looked at this
older more established guy and i said to
him
do you believe in god
do you believe in hashem
and it's like this was not the setting
for a muslims right and he looked at me
like with disdain so to speak i said
answer the question
and he kind of shifted from foot to foot
he said yeah
i said do you also believe that on rosh
hashanah
who fixes exactly what you're going to
make
for the year
he's like yeah i said then this isn't it
this this this can't be right
no i won't help you and i walked away
and then a plane landed and hit his van
you wish
unfortunately i think he spent some time
in jail for other smuggling offences and
it just doesn't make sense to me it
doesn't make it if it's if it's wrong
and it's not right and
it's illegal don't do it who are you
gonna trick i understand people feel
desperate at times and i get that bit
but that's not the answer and
maybe let's offset that story with a
much nicer story i'll tell you yeah i
wouldn't say for that one guy who's
smuggling cigarettes out of gibraltar
right now it's super awkward yeah
he's like oh my gosh maybe i'll listen
to music onto me yeah okay so i want to
break down this story go ahead break it
down so i i went to noiki
in
2015 2016 and still i mean we had great
chavez and i didn't know him that well
but that story stuck with me it was so
powerful to hear like in that moment
noiki like had the opportunity to make a
lot of money and okay just he and
technically he wasn't doing anything
illegal could have gotten away with that
and still he's like do you remember the
story i do obviously we just played it
but i know but when we're talking to
each other we're just talking exactly
and we're not watching it so it sounds
like out of context like something
illegal but no i i were talking about
that was really an incredible story and
it takes a lot of you know just
you know being planted and having
knowing where your roots are and not and
not faltering so as as a person that was
really an incredible i think one of the
best parts of hosting this podcast is
is the ability to meet such amazing
people yeah so true and become friends
with i mean not all of them i'm not like
friends a lot of them we have
relationships with it's really cool
um so
who who who i'll
i think the answers both for both of us
who texts you the most or the messages
you the most of our guests yeah like
that i'm again i i've become friends
with like
probably benji upstairs yes me too dr
benji is the man yeah he's benji i've
seen but there are others there are
others as well for sure something that
you know
we have is that we sometimes forget the
the the episodes that we've put out and
who we've done them with because there's
been so many at this point yeah so i
wouldn't even remember it but you know
what transitioning into a really
incredible moment that i
loved i loved we were
um we had the honor of of traveling one
sunday morning to dale new jersey
um
awful rainy day i got a ticket
no no no no that was different time that
was different oh gosh um this is why we
don't like traveling foreign
and we went to schweiki yes it's an
amazing amazing um episode we went to
his house yeah we set up in his house
and in a living room over there and he
was telling us a story that i thought
was so incredible and this is it we were
doing uh a comes its album my first
comes its album
not talking about those were the days
that i did lately and brought back a lot
of the older jewish music that the youth
actually should know
what beautiful songs we had
first comes this album my my manager and
producer back then my dear friend
joachim briskman who have a tremendous
occurrence to talk to i was with him for
15 years
and
he tells me yaakov
i found out all the songs who composed
what because we want to give credit to
the composer you know we're singing
songs some of them passed away some
older songs you want to give credit you
want to write inside who composed what
this is one song that nobody knows
nobody knows who composed the song
i said i gotta find out somehow i cannot
show
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it's a stunning song that i sing in my
house in this house every shabbos and we
don't know who wrote it i get out of the
studio i get a phone call from my aunt
sarah malka who's at sadekis
still living bor hashem my father's
sister her husband passed away but she's
still living and giving classes to so
many people and helping so many people
she goes
i said auntie sarah
why do i have this host that you call me
at 11 o'clock at night she says my
friend is very very sick with muscular
dystrophy i sleep by her a few times a
week and the one thing she appreciates
is your songs and music would you about
are you able to come ever to to visit
her said nancy sarah
actually i'm in brooklyn right now
is it too late she goes no the whole
family is here i'm here actually now the
whole thing can you come all right i
shoot right over
i start singing this sheet i i proceed
to go there there's a room and this
woman unfortunately is
laid out on this hospital bed
and all the children around her all her
children
and
she only can move her eyelids
through the letters of the computer and
tell and say abc olive bass
and very hard to for her to get one
sentence out
but she tells me i told her i have
plenty of time i want you to tell me
exactly the songs you want to hear and
i'll sing it
she proceeds to tell me how much she
loves mama rachel
and how much it means to her
start singing the song
the kid starts singing along
and you see her eyes even just a little
bit you see the joy
you see the joy even
even if she can't move her body and show
but you see in her eyes sometimes in
their eyes you could see everything
and you see that joy emanating coming
through
i start to get emotional and she gets
emotional the kids get emotional
start singing and i proceed to sing
shama
and a lot of the songs that i do finally
i say you know what plenty of time
she goes okay what were you working on
today i said i did a medley
i said you know what's funny i did a
medley and i did one of my favorite
songs
and nobody knows who composed the song
she goes what's that that's a back and
forth conversation for a while i start
to sing
and the husband says it's funny that you
mention it
i composed that song
i was 14 years i think he was 14 or 16.
i'm not sure
i composed that song and cam called rina
when i was a teenager
he is an artist today he's an artist for
a long time
i think uh a famous artist
rabiona weinreip
composed the song
his wife unfortunately
you know passed away after
many many tsarists
but that song that night
that time that place
hashem was able to take me by the hand
through my auntie sarah who gave me a
big hole to sing for a person that was
suffering and give them a little joy
you know in their sorrow
but at the end of the day
he composed that song and i was able to
hashem you're taking me by the hand
you're leading me by the hand
through every detail of life even when
i'm searching for a composer of a song
you're giving me a host to sing for his
wife who's suffering
but yet able to understand your ways and
seeing that there is a path and there's
a path for everyone there's a path
everybody has to find not everybody's
gonna
do it through music or do it through the
public stage
but by why why jacobsen said a beautiful
line one of the greatest lines i've ever
heard and i heard this and i told him
this by the way because i did i did a
whole thing with him by the way this
house through the coronavirus this room
and that studio over there became like a
a a concert hall and it was an
unbelievable time for claudia stroll and
also the power of music i saw it through
the virus how much it had hundreds of
thousands of people reached out to me
around the world saying how they're
they're thirsty give me something and
music was able to be that food that
spiritual food and i was able to to do
something rabbi y why jacobson one of my
favorites
and he said something so beautiful he i
don't know who he quoted
but he said what is true love
what is true love he said you know what
true love is
it says real true authentic love
is finding the song that's playing in
someone else's heart
and singing it to them when they have
forgotten it
is sometimes
sometimes people forget their own song
but you have to be there you have to be
there in a way especially with real
songs and real music and awaken that
spirit back up we've suffered a lot now
we as a jewish people
suffered tremendously and there are
people not every single person knows a
person that passed away through this
virus
and the 45 people in iran and and of
course you don't want to sulk in the
sadness but it's an emotional time
but it's a time to sing within and find
the song within and to sing it also to
somebody else
and find a way a wherewithal to unify as
one
and because when we sing that song
together no matter what song it is you
could be a sephardic guy you can be
whatever whatever person you are
whatever background you have but when we
sing together
that's when aka deja vu wants
to bring us together in the basement to
sing
and everybody and by the way what is
harmony harmony is a different song
right harmony if you solo the harmony in
a studio
it's like what song you sing but when
you put it together with the melody
that's when true harmony come together
everybody has a different song
different background different
in my own household my father's sphardic
my mother's ashkenaz
but when we sing that melody together
it's the greatest harmony in the world
so yeah just the amazing part of that
story i just think is you see how
protesters his aunt asks if he can visit
this family um who love his music and
that's all the while he's working on
this album and this song kiata who who
wrote the song who wrote the song and
able to find who wrote the song and you
just see how piece by piece by piece
comes together
and i think i said this the last
wooden piece we did maybe but yeah if
you like look at your life maybe i don't
know i feel okay it's just so amazing
yeah it's just so amazing how especially
when you say stories and you're like
well that's crazy that that happened
and that's just like that's the life
that's the life of a yidd who looks at
their life and they're able to see like
getting from a to b to c to d is not
random it's just like it's so there's so
much divine presence it's like in the
moment it feels random but like you're
like you're saying you look back back
and it's like whoa that's like i don't
know who said it but someone wrote every
single person can write a book on a muna
every single person if you're just
saying look at your life you could write
a book of a muna because every moment a
lot of times in retrospect and that
might be the atahara like in the moment
you can't notice it you can't be like oh
well this was right you know because
then we yeah it would be too easy if we
knew it that's a really beautiful moment
okay another moment so you're talking
about getting a ticket on our way you it
wasn't with yakuzaki it was with reuven
feinstein it was so i this is the next
most powerful moment that i want to
mention
is
is this moment yes my mother told me
years later and i was not going to
question my mother and father about the
situation
uh and they brought him because
but somehow we went after my father was
dead ready and we
were talking
once about lubanova town she said you
know why he made a mikvy
because the butcher came to him and told
him that
that he can't live
without a woman
he can't live with his wife
and so he's going to go to the shiksa
so
she told him
uh wait two weeks two weeks i'll have
the mclaffey
and he made the bath house in
and they've tormek
to chuvas about that and most of them
done that extent
but that's how he thought he did but he
wouldn't use it himself
in fact that i believe that not only did
he use it himself
my mother could have gone to the river
and during the summer time right right
but then people still think he went
there wow
eight years until they came to riga
and then they got out and that's
wow
so in that moment um
reuven like very sneezly like was
telling us that the story about his
father and mother that for eight years
they weren't together
um
because there was mikvah issues
and
because
and the crazy part was that halachically
ramosha
found a way to
make that mikvah fine but just on the
the the small
chance that someone could see
that red that is that ramosha and his
wife that like oh they're going with the
kula and he didn't want that so and like
he said there was a river that that his
mother could have gone to but still for
eight years and that's why there's a
giant gap between reb david feinstein
removing weinstein and i don't know i
just thought it was so natural and real
of revenge no he was so the whole
experience was was um well at first it
was completely scary it was frightening
yeah i was scared to death yeah pizza
like i my my heart yeah literally most
episodes i'm like nervous going into a
little bit
and then first two minutes i'm like okay
calm cool everything
i there was a point like i think 30
minutes into the red ribbon episode we
took sort of like a bathroom break like
everyone like walked away and now and
when we got back from that that was when
i finally was able to just like stay
calm and but i don't know there was
something about being in front of a
goddale and especially because he looks
like his father yeah he looks familiar
he looks like he looks like ramos but
this voice i didn't anticipate his voice
to sound like that you know i don't know
why i don't know what i'm random i know
but i don't know why like you see
like we have the opportunity to see
pictures of good idea all day that are
no longer with us rarely do you have
video footage of them probably you know
hashem and
whatever in 50 years 100 years people
have videos of good idea now but like i
don't know the bobby sharer has a lot of
videos of him but like i don't know much
of feinstein if there are videos of him
like i don't think they're him talking
right or even shirum like we don't
remember victor miller we have so i just
found it very interesting i'm like i
wonder if moshe's voice sounds like
ruvain's voice it's interesting there
are happens either are like
and there is footage online of ramosa
i think md armistice i'm gonna say is he
harmish because i'm the armistice we
have to get him on meaningful i know
he's awesome emily armits is responsible
for that but there's some like
incredible footage of moshe putting on
it's filling promotional learning and
it's
it's like it was a different world you
know they lived in the lower east side
of manhattan you know it's just like
the total world was coming out of the
lower east side like that's and today
what is what is the lower east side
there's still people there but you know
what's interesting i i think that's one
of the most popular answers that we ask
everyone who's one person from history
that's no longer with us you want to sit
with very often i think it's the most
common answer people say rip motion
feinstein that is interesting that is
interesting right i think that i think i
think you happen to be right i think
most people do say that it's interesting
do you have a moment or something okay
next moment it's funny i think yaakov
before this you get kind of prepared
moments and like as i'm speaking right
now and like everything coming up with
them i'm trying i'm like going through a
gallery in my head of things that happen
i'm just sifting through and no not that
that anyways there was an episode we did
with naftali horowitz i okay
do you think do you think we use the
same moment i'm gonna take it i think no
go for it i know um naftali harwitz who
is a
financial advisor with
jp morgan right yeah
and
an amazing episode i think one of the
most popular
he
he's just
so again so much wisdom and people just
loved his story and what he had to say
and he was a great book you revealed
yeah you revealed an amazing amazing
amazing book
he said this story that really really
touched me
i i'm hoping it's the same thing as me
well
give it a listen guys
very very sad story it really is it's
one of the saddest that's in my book in
fact a very clutch of rabbitson who read
my manuscript said that i should take it
out because she was crying after she
finished the story
and i did take out parts of the story
because i didn't want to make the reader
actually cry we could have those parts
and now we can we can give it to you now
so i had a client she was worth three to
four hundred million dollars
okay and she had an art collection that
was worth 25 million dollars just the
most magnificent paintings you've ever
seen
she was the most unhappy person you've
ever met she didn't have a happy day in
real life
she had two children one was killed in a
car accident the other one she was
estranged from and all she ended up with
was one grandson who she couldn't stand
she had no friends
no friends
nobody wanted to have anything to do
with her okay
this woman could buy whatever she wanted
she had homes all over the world
she was a client of my former firms that
nobody could work with
she was absolutely impossible to work
with i get a call one day from
management and they say
we'd like you to meet with will
collinger susan in the book
you're her last chance if she can't work
with you
we're getting rid of her we're going to
kick her out of the firm with all her
hundreds of millions of dollars she's
just impossible
she comes to my she comes to the office
i'm told in advance by this
associate of the former advisor she
likes strawberries you better have
sliced strawberries don't make them too
thick don't make them too thin or she
will eat you for lunch
so you could imagine what we're talking
about here
i walk into the room and there she is
and um
if you didn't figure me out by now
there's no errors about me i'm just i am
who i am
i sit down with her and we start talking
and she's wearing glasses very very big
glasses
and they were full of cream from her
face
face cream
my mother alea shalom used to always
have
makeup and cream on her glasses and i
would always wash her glasses because
i'm meticulous about having spotless
glasses i'm glad i'm wearing my lenses
now glasses are always healthy
a little bit i'm not sure this i would
have watched
so i'm about three minutes into the
conversation
and i say to her
susan
please don't take offense
can i wash your glasses
what
can i wash your glasses
why do you want to wash my glasses
i said it must be difficult for you to
see out of them and quite frankly i
can't see your eyes
she started to cry
i mean it
and she said that since her harry died
nobody has ever washed her grasses her
late husband used to wash her glasses
and i went to the bathroom and i washed
her glasses with soap
and water and i brought them back and i
gave them back to her clean
and she couldn't get to herself
it was unbelievable how moved she was
that i took and washed her glasses and
then out of nowhere she started talking
in yiddish
this is not an orthodox woman by any
stretch of the imagination
and i said to her
you speak yiddish and i said it in
yiddish
and she said of course i speak yiddish
long story short i became very close to
this woman
very very close
and we had very very deep
conversations about spirituality and she
always talked about hashem and hashem
and she loves hashem and she loves
hashem i say
it's very nice that you love hashem but
you have to show hashem that you love
him
look at how much money you have
what's going to happen to all this money
don't you want to leave a legacy don't
you want to do something with you with
it one day and i always talk to her
about this
and i did it because i really i wanted
to save her in the sharma i mean this is
a woman she was she i used to bring a
little of an asterisk and i used to
bring her matzos and
she became part of my family whenever we
would bring my kids i i would tell her
she has to cover her paintings because
she had nude women all over her her
office all her paintings were like you
couldn't look at them but she
she had a yiddish in the shama
but she could never give away a dollar
of her money
and the story in the book ends where i
went to the hospital
and she was dying
and i sat there i said
you might see hashem soon
i said
let's just take a million dollars
a million dollars let's put it into a
foundation and let's name a school after
you when you're not here anymore
and she couldn't do it and she died
and she had nobody at her funeral
it was a great side funeral
it was me
my associate who was was from
her grandson his rabbi and i ran around
the cemetery and i found a bunch of
chabad boys who were there for another
and i paid them to come
and one kaddish was set to her for her
she was the most unhappy person i ever
met
how how how could that be right
that's just one story
money doesn't solve anything
when it comes to fulfillment and
happiness some of the poorest people i
know are so fulfilled and so happy and
some of the wealthiest people i know
have no friends
they're they're they they don't get
along with their family they're divorced
their kids don't talk to them and
everybody around them just waiting for
them to die so that they can inherit
their money how sad is that on the other
end i have clients that are
extraordinarily wealthy that don't
waste a minute they're retired they're
sitting on the board of this they're
helping this one with that and they get
calls all day they are the happiest
people it has nothing to do
with the car they drive or the house
they live in
this is what our obama told us we didn't
believe them
take it from me
i'm surrounded by wealth
i see people inside of jp morgan who
earn 30 million dollars a year
and nobody wants to go near them
so
so obviously this story was about one of
his clients who had
millions of dollars and he and he
towards the end of her life he wanted
the glass of story the glasses ah i
wrote that down yeah well guess what i
didn't
no it's good i mean i think that's very
special that we each
went through all the past episodes and
we both didn't plan this out this is one
of our most powerful moments it was
first of all the delivery he's great
he's great he's great at speaking he has
just like these first of all the way he
pauses and the way he says yeah you guys
just watch you're gonna tell me that i
shouldn't like that's how he talks yeah
it's it's awesome it's awesome but but
that story is just like
wow
yeah wow it really goes to show i mean
obviously there's so many lessons but it
really just goes to show like just doing
little
if i could call it little dumb acts of
kindness like he just he's like no this
is he had this lady her glasses on a
t-shirt yeah he has like the glasses are
dirty like that's and it's the most
stubborn lady in the world and he's like
oh you know could i clean it like just
showing that extra care like these
things really do make a difference i
know it's cliche but like you're by a
supermarket and someone needs help with
the bags and you help like okay it's a
little dumb thing and you help them and
because he did that obviously he got her
business and was able to make a lot of
money for her but maybe even more
importantly as he mentioned they they
were you know gave her a jewish burial
and he was there and she had some people
there which maybe she wouldn't have had
it's that it's definitely amazing and he
was like
to be able to have a breakthrough with
her and you just mentioned that there's
so many uh opportunities that we have to
do um hashtag dumb little dumb little
what is it i don't remember what i said
well i don't know i don't remember
either but that's funny anyways
little moments no i don't know i just
use the word tom i know that yeah um do
something dumb today yeah do something
yeah but dumb kindness dumb kindness i
don't know exactly
okay um
another moment that i wanted to share
this was a story incredible story
uh we have a lot of people share stories
i think i had this one also
you know who am i mentioning harry
rothenberg no okay awesome
uh he has great stories also i know no
it was with hannah teller ah and here it
is this is a very dramatic picture i
don't know which which cam would hold it
up
straight here so this picture
is a picture that was shot on the day
that auschwitz was liberated it's a
picture of many many many children this
is just a zoom in of several
and uh this is the actual picture this
is not
too short
soldier it's a bunch of kids it's in
black and white for those of you who
want to go ahead and google heroic
children untold stories
and the the main the i guess their focal
point child has color
so what happened was is that
question now i'm going to put you guys
in the hot seat but it's not a hard
question is it a history question don't
worry okay i'm very worried
you did well in history in high school
oh gosh yeah what is the most famous
story of the holocaust
it's a fact or an opinion it's a fact
famous famous story picture the most
famous story
fame the most famous story
gotcha
anne frank
okay okay okay like that's your question
i think you're saying like we all know
the punishment like i don't know
something like within i'm like okay anne
frank yeah that makes sense yes
ann's story is not a reflective story
she wasn't the ghettos wasn't the camps
right move over had a modicum of food
but yet it's a story and that's i think
we became so famous
so my tour nyad vashem the reason why
it's so popular is because
no one can deal with all the facts
it's amazing you know there are hundreds
of tours going on at one time and yad
vashem is a large museum
and there's a very large staff of tour
guides and it fritzes my brain they're
tour guides that are unspooling data
that no head can absorb so what i always
do is i tell personal stories or i tell
stories about individuals that connect
that way that's how i convey the
information that's why people appreciate
the tour okay back to the book we needed
a cover
now
so the copyright holder of this cover
when you publish a book on the cover you
need permission from the copyright
holder right the copyright holder is
united states holocaust memorial museum
in washington so i made a request for
the picture and you have to fill out an
affidavit and saying that you'll make no
changes or alterations so i said i'm
going to make this change in this change
and now changing this change in this
change in that change and the next day i
had permission
and uh but they said
it's low resolution it'll take three
weeks to get it in high resolution
three weeks i don't know if i had three
days
but you'll pardon me for being an
israeli and i figured the connection the
way what has to be done here is patexia
having the right connections and i have
a friend
very powerful individual rumor has it
that in his cell phone he has the
private phone number of every senator
and congressman he lives in baltimore
and i figured baltimore
washington he must have connection
united states holocaust moral museum
you know you're not asking him to switch
a vote in the center and yeah i just
need a picture
and fortunately his son learns in shiva
right next door i know who you're
talking about okay so i run to yeshiva
and i said arya
again i thought this is a rhetorical
question i said are ya
your father is connecting nice holocaust
memorial museum he said no
disenchanted crestfallen melancholy i'm
walking out of
the room and as i'm about to cross the
threshold he says to me
but my mother is on the board
i'm about to ring his neck he's very
classic are you he's my guy his mother
is uh judge hi friedman so i send her
off an email said i say that's why i
need your help and here's the picture
it's this lot number this pick number
this thing i need it
yesterday hi-rez now you have to realize
united states holocaust murder museum is
a large bureaucracy 300 employees they
don't just turn the picture over
overnight but she's on the board and the
next day
i got the picture attachment gmail there
it is then i cursed me yeah yeah yeah
yeah i in sync with my methodology of
teaching i wanted the picture is sepia
i wanted to color one child to highlight
the individual so i write her back said
i'm sorry one more thing i need you to
get me permission to do
to color one child that's that's a
significant change in the picture
and she wrote me back she's very busy
convening a murder trial
and she has no time
so i prevailed upon her said hiya i said
this is killing me
and uh
she
you know i prevailed upon her so she
writes me back the next day yay
i made the request i cannot tell you
they'll agree to it but i made the
request and i'm thinking to myself come
on this is the holocaust this apple pie
this is mom the flag no one's gonna say
no
uh
and so we have i'm gonna use the
technical term i'm almost done the
technical term is called the prescue and
the largest press in israel 10 o'clock
at night arguably the largest press in
the middle east
and three hours for press queue or to be
accurate 2 hours and 48 minutes i get an
email from the head archivist united
states holocaust memorial museum
says dear rabbi teller regret to inform
you you may not use the picture if you
wish to use the picture in its pristine
state without zooming or any alterations
or coloration you may but once you make
a change and particularly this boy which
you want to highlight
spoke out recently and our legal
department said unequivocally you may
not
make any change to the picture
shrek and a half
you know we're two and a half hours to
prescue
and so but i'm not such a pushover
and uh
i dash off an email and said please give
me his phone number and his name i want
to speak with him
one hour
and 34 minutes before press q she sends
writes me back we don't know his name we
don't know where he lives i said come on
you just told me that he spoke out and
he's sensitive
i think it was like 41 minutes to
prescue she sends me an online clipping
of this picture
and
those people who were in the picture
were still alive obviously in the grip
of old age when back on the 70th
anniversary
of liberation and now she went to point
to themselves in the picture
according to this clipping
this fellow's name was it wasn't clear
apparently this guy's name is hirsch
and he's from europe i'll use the
shivaji term it was mashma his name is
hersh and he's from europe and now i
have 37 minutes to find hirsch
and europe wow
so sherlock teller is thinking
where in the world her first name or
your last name i don't know oh gosh i
don't know
i'm gonna find this guy i got 37 minutes
to find hersh in europe you have an
exciting life yeah so sherlock teller is
thinking where would this guy now if you
look at the picture the guy looks pretty
good so i knew he couldn't be a pole
can't be a pole to look this good you
got to be hungry
shout out to the polls
can't you happen because hungary's
listeners are very upset no no i'm going
to explain hungary was invaded in march
1944 to me this shape you'd have to be
polish 39 i mean he looked like he was
like well fed yeah he was much better
shaped yeah the other ones look hot
so he had to been a hungarian so
sherlock teller is thinking where would
hungarian survivor of auschwitz
live in europe today so i discounted
uh england russia eurasia israel
so i only have around 28 countries to go
in about 24 minutes
and i conclude it's going to have to be
belgium or banjo ben belgium or
switzerland and i have a really good
friend
moshe loser who lives in uh
sure i'm sure he's a good guy
he's yes he's about what why is that
manner no because they lose her
his last name no no
oh okay so much i say i said loser he
lives in zurich
and he works for ibm what a you
know this guy's gonna find him for me so
i called now we're uh 11 minutes to
prescue i said my loser i need you to
find me hirsch in switzerland he said
would that be his first name or his last
name because it could be either name he
said i don't know
he said to me is he religious
i don't know
he said what does he do
i don't know he said
what have you been drinking i'm not
drinking anything i got eight minutes i
gotta find this guy you must lose again
so he said to me you gave me his name i
got ibm my fingertips i'll find him i
said you know what
you know what
i'm sure he's hungarian
that try gavor or tibor hirsch
governor tibor is hungarian for mike or
steve
i hear him typing he says gavor hirsch
84 year old engineer
here's his phone number
six minutes to prescue i call him up and
my hoify deutsch i speak to him i asked
permission he gives me permission and i
fire off an email to united states
holocaust moral museum i have permission
here's his phone if you don't trust me
it's nine o'clock at night in
switzerland now i wouldn't call him at
this hour he's an elderly gentleman and
i have at home a beautiful picture of uh
gaber holding the book that's amazing
governor passed away this summer right
but uh i took that as i just want you to
know
that it'd be harder for me to parallel
park and to get this guy in one call
that's why you're late to this interview
right that's why he's late wow so you
have a coin to park so at the end of it
you got the book to him and you got you
got him it's incredible
so yeah we always have wild stories but
there's no story why don't you want to
say one thing and i'll let you continue
sure you know how difficult it is right
now for us to be recording this the way
we're doing i know we're just talking
straight i know the people are watching
are going to watch us talk and then
watch a story and then talk and watch a
story i know we're just talking straight
as if we just watched it but you know
which story i'm referring to yeah it's a
great story and um yeah just just
it's one of those things that
the lesson i took out of it was
if you really try hard enough you could
do it i don't think you could do
anything i think that message is like
crazy like oh i want to fly but like no
he had a mission he said i really want
to use this this picture and i think
it's going to be good for the book and
he didn't give up and literally to the
last minute
he wasn't sure if he could get it or get
permission and he did and it's a great
cover and and by the way uh shout out to
all jewish publications i 100
judge a book by scarborough before i buy
it maybe that's just me i think a lot of
people are like that so i definitely
look at the covers of books yeah covers
do make a difference yeah i i think they
do i think dumb it shouldn't but add
that to your dumb whatever actually like
it's all like brand like dumb stuff do
something dumb yeah so you're mentioning
carrie roth how are your authentication
he said this amazing story that really
i i i don't think i've been brought to
tears at um at all very freak very
infrequently in these episodes i don't
even know if i was brought to tears in
this one i definitely felt emotional
although after you're like i wasn't
brought to school many times even this
time i wasn't but you could have but
this potentially right would have made
me emotional and this is the story we
see sometimes the the um the differences
between people who um lose faith
even including people in our world who
just who
unfortunately are just not able to to
move forward um to people who have more
faith in their in their pinky than than
you can
than you can imagine um and you know
they're they're gollum they may not be
dole in batora but they're golem and be
talking ramona so for example
i represented the
the estate of a young boy
who
was in an accident i i would tell you
what it was but i don't like to do that
because i don't want to identify
particular clients a and b you'd have
trouble sleeping tonight because that's
how horrifying it was
when i eventually read the report of the
forensic pathologist that we hired to go
through like the boy's suffering before
he eventually succumbed to his injuries
i said to myself i do this for a living
and i got to make it through this
i think i made it on to the second page
before i started crying and i do this
for a living like i've seen it all but
that's how bad it was so
he was in a coma for a day and a half
and um eventually the doctors called in
the um his mother and his father and
said you have to go say goodbye we're
losing him like we could see from his
vitals they're going it's time to say
goodbye
so it just happens to be happenstance
that there was somebody there who was
close to the family with whom i happened
to be close so he watched this happen
otherwise i wouldn't believe it
so his mother went into the room
and starts screaming at her son this is
the last minute that he has a life
she says the torah says
you have to honor your father and your
mother i'm your mother so you have to
listen to me
when you go up to shamayim when you go
up to heaven you have to pray for all of
us you have to pray for your
grandparents you have to pray for your
father and for me and for your brothers
and your sisters and your aunts and your
uncles and your your cousins and your
friends
and the jewish people in the world
you'd figure she'd be screaming at god
saying how can you do this
instead she's screaming at her son
saying you have to listen you pray for
us because god's not gonna be able to
say no to you
where do you see faith like that i mean
it's a it's like it's like the only
places you see stories like that are out
of the out of your books about the
holocaust um and that's what it's like
like some of these stories are are are
um not to diminish but it's it's a it's
a mini um
um i don't want to use that and use that
term again um but it's that's definite
it's that devastating to the family to
lose a um to lose a loved one
wow
i think you know we were doing this
episode on a sunday afternoon harry
comes in all like in his nice blue suit
with a hat and fedora he's awesome yeah
he's cool but that story was so touching
what when she screwed when she was
telling him to like scream at hashem
or whatever not scream at hashem
whatever it was talk to hashem but i
thought he's gonna say that like look at
the sacrifices that i've done like it
wasn't even that direction like totally
different direction i'm like the amount
of the moon and these people have it
it's really wild it's wild and it's also
i think what's interesting about that is
that you would think that an episode
with a criminal uh not a criminal a
injury an injury lawyer you think of ben
robbins um we're mixing up our lawyers
yeah yeah but you do an episode with a
personal injury personal injury lawyer
like okay what what
what stories are gonna come from that
right they got that case and won
millions in that case with millions
but you know here here's a situation a
from yid in a competitive industry
where there's
each week each day there's hundreds of
millions of dollars at stake in
different different cases
and to be able to you know witness these
things happening
i think it just highlights just like
from jews and business how like i think
it's like everyone we have to have a lot
more
you know i mean obviously we always want
robotim and
organization heads for meaningful people
but like yeah like you're saying
we we have a corny catchphrase something
along the lines like everyone's
meaningful we'll still figure it out wow
that's like super unique yeah it's
terrible but but the point like to your
point like yes there's
there's so many people out there that
like just have good stories to share and
just really
showing how they have hashem in their
lives and for the listeners like
you could be an accountant you could be
a lawyer you could be a janitor you
could
harry would only the only reason harry
was able to say this is because he felt
it and the only reason he felt it is
because he's someone who's who has depth
right it's so true and uh shout out to
you know suggested that uh harry for us
no i don't it was robbie center
shout out travis center okay so um
the
last moment that i have that i want to
discuss
is
this one
i went from like being amare stadimeier
six-time all-star
future hall of fame guy to plan now for
her poi arusha line
from traveling you know
private jets
five-star hotels to now taking the bus
ride
to standing a two-year-old bus ride
you know 70 thousands you know seated
arena you're playing in 10 000 maybe 5
000 sometimes so from a basketball
standpoint it's very humbling being able
to know all right i don't have
everything i need i don't have my top
training staff i don't have the code
plunges and all these things i need
physical therapy that i'm used to
but it's okay
and then from a learning standpoint it's
like i don't know
half of this stuff i'm like
i'm taking notes
these kids are 17 no more than i do i'm
like man this is
i just stuck with it
i think i didn't get i didn't get beside
myself i didn't feel like i should i
belong to be here
i was like
i'm at the beginning stages i'm learning
it's okay
you know and that's that's the approach
i took
okay so so yeah i kind of left it up for
finale unless you do you have a moment
or we'll end with this because there's a
lot to say on it so there so you just
heard of maori stodomier um
and the what i there's so many moments
when we discuss little of those powerful
moments
that what he just said now was like
incredible because like really think
about it he was the top or one of the
top i'm not saying he was the best
basketball player but he was you have no
idea let's call space hold on hold on
okay knock is clearly the sports person
in this relationship but i i do hold on
i did hear of him before his whole like
you know talking about him in judaism
like
in one context that he's a very good
player and he was on the next like i
remember that i do remember that and
that says something that means he was a
good player because if i heard about it
it also means you had a pulse yes no no
because i'm a non-sports guy but um
so he was at the top he really was and
to go to israel so from a basketball
sense of
basketball sense like he's going to
israel he was living in the nba so like
you know taking like an egged bust to go
to try like practice and try out like
that's crazy and then also on top of it
he he was a real deal celebrity he was a
celebrity and now all of a sudden he's
like studying the torah and he's
starting at you know level you know i
don't know like pre-1a kindergarten
level because he doesn't know you know
how to read at this point he does but he
really went back that's like a really
humbling thing to think about like okay
we always hear amari like oh you just
got like it's nice but how often do we
ourselves like like go back to
moments and say like okay i'll start
over i'll start fresh i i'll be the
the the person in the room that knows
the least about this but i want to get
better i want to connect hashem or like
it's really beautiful yeah i think it's
like it was it was one of the most
impressive thing is how someone of his
stature and where he was holding in his
in his life and he had mentioned like as
a celebrity
was able to sort of
humble himself to start at olive you
know like he throwing himself into
something that okay you know
you know nothing about
you really are are not holding with
everyone else in the room
and you may be this big star and you
walk down the street and everyone's
trying to get an autograph and a picture
with you but to put yourself into a
world
and throw yourself fully into it where
you know nothing about
it takes a lot of courage it takes a lot
of like
uh you know
yeah a lot of guts and i think that was
something that was super impressive i
always think there's so many moments in
our episodes that
if our listeners
just stop and say okay well how can i
apply it to my life you definitely can
apply these things to your life it's so
true there are things in your life that
you're not doing because you are scared
from starting from scratch
so be like i'm already starting liar in
that way
just do it so it's true so we're we're
towards the end of our segment so we're
gonna anyone listening if you want to
check out more of these moments that we
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