MASECHES TAANIS: MITZVAS SUKKAH AND MASHIV HORUACH - KEEPING THEM APART

We're coming off the yumpt of Pes the first day we started started to say the go also the and and Ashkanaz stopped saying the first day of Pes and the reason for that is because the start of Pes Pes we're going into the into the spring into the summer so maybe you stop domining for When we're going into the winter to the fall to the winter and we start davening for rain, mentioning rain, we should start right at the beginning of sukus. Furthermore, like the mission brings this out because like what the Gmorrah says in Russim the whole of sukus is the whole day all the days of sukus is the forim for water. Why don't we start saying the first day of sukus and the emmesis that's as we begin now in the morning learning is to is to start the first day of sukus and that's really more The pashasua no even though start saying mash the first day of sukus sukus is different than pes pes weak stops saying and for those start saying already the first day of suk of pes sukus zhua no we start only at the end of sukus as a matter of fact after sukus and the reason for that is because it's a sim rain is a simmon claw we cannot mention let alone that we don't d for rain even mentioning rain we don't oversook us because it's a simal what's a simmon claw like rashi explains mshel to a king that asks his servant to bring him water to be mois to put water into the to put water into the wine. In the olden days, the wine wasn't like today that it was ready made. You had to put water in. So the king asks a servant or he didn't ask a servant. The servant brought is bringing water that he could be able to pour into his wine. And instead of the king appreciating him with the water, the king takes the water and pours it right back on the on the on the on the servant's face. Meaning to say, the king is saying, "I'm not interested in your I don't need your help. I don't need your service. I don't want your service." And if it rains on sukus, it's a simal. It's like the says we should sit in the suka and then it rains. You can't sit in the suka. Just on the note of simmon claw if it rains on sukus the go explains what's the sim claw based off the marshall that the king p didn't want the water to be mois kipper those are yin sukus by sitting in the suka and taking the doll minim That's makes it that dilute the just like in the marshall the king didn't want the water to dilute the wine by making it rain shows that I don't want to dilute the Yeshua says is the reason why we do not start even though it's only meaning to say is we're not asking for rain asking for rain is that's a we're asking Hashem for rain in the second of that's not a that's not a when we're speaking about the praises of the is and the also gives He gives us rain still says it's a sin and therefore we don't start till when till after. So first of all on the note of simmon claw the pashus when is it a simmon claw if it rains over a suckus pashus right here alerting rashi antis the simmon claw is throughout the whole circus means even if it rains on the third day it's a simal therefore says not to mention praying till after the question is the Rambam and Piranayas when explaining the simmon claw by rain says the Rambam and I'll read the lashion it's in suka on the Mishna where the Mishna brings this marshall that we said where Rashi brings the marshall it's a Mishna says the Rambam when it rains onus in the beginning of sukus it shows it's a doesn't want doesn't want our us sitting in the suk what does the raam say when is it a simal it's a cla [snorts] in the So I wouldn't be sure what means when's the beginning how much of the be what's beginning the remal also from the brings the remal over 200 times the O'Neal says clearly is the first night of sukus because we have to just the first night think I have the lotion. The first night is when it's a sim claim brings the goyal the dila harish only the first night is a simal why why only the first night rains throughout circus you can't be mitzvah so he says once it rains after the first night. Of course we all it's problematic for real the first night if it rains throughout sukus there are those that go but they try very hard if it's raining they'll make the suda later earlier good that's in the kumis of the mitzah but the first night the first night is to set in the suka so the shila is if it's only a simmon claw of the first night so why don't we start the h hasoro The first right away the first day of sukus says you know why we don't start right away really we should the says but the really is the terror says it's but if the simal is only the first night so why don't we have the first day of sukus just like we have the first day of pes So the betim even if it's not a simmon claw but lisa we don't want to be masquerain even if it's not a simmon claw because lisa rain on sukus doesn't let us sit in the suka see even if it's not a sim claw that that's the even if it's a sim the sim claw is only the first night sh Yeshua says because it's simola but the simola is talking the first night but throughout circus we also don't want it to rain so we should be able to mine the mitzvah gear wanted the mission then said yeah very good very good very good claw the first night for rain so we're not mish That's that's would be the very good has a whole longle he clares opens up by claring this that it's a sim claw is it a simmon claw when it rains on sukus it is it a simmon claw the whole sukus or only the first nightcla when is it a sim claw the first night or throughout the whole sukus so he says is you open up the first Mishna and Tus of Bad Alf and the missionary Yeshua says Simmon claw so it's pretty clear the sim is throughout the whole sukus but then he says I the Rambam says that it's only the beginning of sukusak he brings that this that the Rambam says that it's a simmon claw only the beginning of sukus he means to say lauk if it was already raining before sukus and it continues to rain into sukus that's not a sim cla when is it a sim claw only when it starts on suk on sukus itself remembers I think it was like two three four years ago it was raining air of sukus pouring with the of it stopped le sukus but if it would continue into sukus of them it wouldn't be simmon claw simmon claw is you have a beautiful day of sukus and then le sukus it starts pouring that's a sim claim says the bury of even the raam that says they don't mean to say lauk the second third day of sukus if it rains throughout sukus it's always simal they just mean lauk he doesn't say in the reol the millennial spells it out clearly it's only the first time saying in the in the rama But in the when he says the beginning of sukus, he doesn't only mean the beginning of sukus. When he says means that if it starts raining sukus, that's a sim clause opposed to if it started sukus and it rains into sukus that's not a sim claw. >> The fact that it doesn't stop doesn't tell us anything. >> Stop when >> a vada that's just that it stopped leas to rain. It shows mamish that the opposite. Everybody was saying tyra about it. But if it wouldn't stop, if it wouldn't stop, it's not a simola. >> Stop. Why isn't it really stopped? >> So like the bakuryakov says it's only the reason why it's a simola is because it's a lot of rain. It's a lot of rain. Just like some say no some say that the simal is only inherit because it doesn't rain in just like that. So here also if it's raining before it's raining. It's raining. But if a mama starts raining on sukus, that's a simal. But about anytime throughout sukus, if it's rains on sukus, it's a sim cla. But if it was raining before and it continues into sukus, it's not a simal. But that the sim claw is throughout sukus. And therefore, we do not say, we do not say even a throughout sukus. So when do we yes start saying we also sit in the you don't make a sit in the suka. So if you sit in the suka why do we say we'll soon get to your that you mentioned the other day but why why don't why don't we why why don't we push it off another day so already says that but it's not a sim he says it's the raon meaning to say is and even what we mentioned before even if it's not a sim you can't sit is less than the rest of yam if rains talking that's the med says why don't we sit in the could be the is talking about but the why was the sit in the now it's for certain things but why Why taka? Why? Why is not part of sukus? Legi sitting at the suka. That's what the medish says. Says the medish. >> What' it say? >> Got to have some time to make it rain. You know, >> but what? But it could start right after. So it's just like it it stops by. I mean it doesn't rain till many days. >> What? Say >> like come on. I can't hold seven days >> of rain. Hold up the rain that much. So say very good says the mag the last day we started ding for says the medish that's why we we're not in the sham the med says you know why we don't sit in the to be able So what do we what are we asking now that why do we not push off another day and start after listen we push off the rain after sukus when do we start a saint tal and even even later December beginning of December for to get the rego should be able to get home. I guess it's sh to hold up the rain. So just another day. So we asked what's about sitting in the suka. The mag says the reason the didn't give us the mitzvah of so we should be able to d properly for the rain just mentioning >> mentioning. That's a good question. That's a for itself. We'll leave it on the side now. But it seems like Yeshua is bothered to even mention rain throughout sukus. So the question is so why would we not bother to mention right even shimatiz the time you sit in the suka >> isn't it we're judged on water on suka so at some point we need to d for water >> beautiful the last day >> oh very good we're going to get to that in one minute when you're judged one second we'll get to that in a minute so let me just finish with the suka part and we'll get to very good >> lisa the taz the taz says that this is a smack for those that don't sit in the suki at you sit in the but there are those of and it's already brought in the already brings the meaning of not sitting in the z this medish not to sit in the suk to be able to dive properly for rain this is not a And you see the medish and go not like the gar and the but for those that don't sit it's a discussion for itself to explain the mig not to sit in the garra says to sit the says to said but for those that don't sit this would be a says and that's to starting for rain >> but if so they should be sitting at night because you just mentioned it at day. H very good, very good, very good. There are those that have the minute already bring different menhogam some have to sit by night and not by day. >> I think actually even the taza let me check if I could see it quickly. It's a it's a long taz right in the beginning of tes the sim of very good the taz brings the goyas men hug him the minig that some half of eat in the suka and half in the house which p this means I didn't write it down that's why I didn't say it because it's not 100% clear that He's saying for those that have the mig by night to eat in the suk and not by day. I think there are those one second that have a minute the opposite by day and not by night. But beautiful what you're saying for those that have the mic to eat in the suka by night and not by day. It's moderate because you eat by night to eat by night. But the med says you're not going to be misspelled properly for don't eat in the I just want to so we have and that's you starting a second you start ding for when do you start ding for a minute I want to please I want to hear you start ding for as we explained first of all Um sorry uh the simmon claw is not and we also said maybe even you don't sit in the but you start just one more we said before in which is the whole sus So it would be a pretty good time to start to be on. So when is that in we just we're coming off the end of the first period says which means after after says I'll Sh means rain is the whole suckus. So then it's very good not only it's it's actually it's the peak the peak is the peak. However, the rash over there on that rash he says the rash it's not like the ink that's the sim of and the says in on like the says it's the so then it's a little interesting like before we archer where it's really afterwards but says Yeshua it's a sim claw so if it's a sim claw we start afterwards you wanted to >> oh yes so then if you would sit in the suka once you should say the of but we know we don't say the fork on according to everything here if anything So that's a separate discussion. You're asking very good why don't we make a brah that's a separate discussion why you don't make a bra if you sit in the suk listen we we do other mitzvah I'll for an example the second day we make so if we're sitting in the another day because of because it might be it might be it's a it's a good question we'll keep it on the side for now it's a discussion >> you're saying you really have to sit in the ones just we don't sit in Because we want to have a full whatever >> which means that then you have to sit in all eight days even should be even another really another day but even into which nobody does but basically you should for sure make a on >> we don't even sit if you're coming based off the mus you don't sit so if you don't sit then you don't make a why you don't sit in the says the med you don't sit so you should be able to davana for rain so The say you don't sit. >> You do, but if you did the the don't they uprooted the braha, they took it away. >> That's a good question. Why you don't make a brah? We'll discuss it afterwards. It's a good question, but that is nothing to do with the med that says that you don't sit. If you do sit, then you have to get into the sugo. If you sit in the suka, so you should make a bra also. Yeah. It's a good sha. It has to be addressed. Absolutely. So we start at Seris. When do we start? We start by Musf. The question is why do we start by Musf? The day in the Yiddish calendar starts by night. the same. When do we start? By night by if it's you start y by night. Why is it that you start by Muslim? You should start by night already. I understand we waited till because we should be able to sit in the suka the whole seven days of sukus. But then leminat you're no longer it's not a sim claw. So then we should ride away by night. So who asked the shili asked to brings this and says that not everybody made it to shul by night. Okay. So the people that don't make it so when they come they'll so it shouldn't be that it's audi starting to say by night and some in the morning. So therefore by day what's about the saint tal so tal you do start by night if not everybody shows up by night so why the saint talam by night says to moan a saint talam is anyways a good saint talam some people like we spoke said before some people started z and start in december so it's anyways a good So maybe you start by night but mash we all of Israel to start together at one time. So that's why we don't start by what's about chakras. Yeah should start chakras. >> Let's let me I want to finish I want to finish I'll take the questions afterwards gladly. What's about chakras? Why do we start why don't we start chakras? I hear people don't make it by now. Why not chakras? So one terret says to your shi what >> people come late to shore >> we'll get to that terret that ter is a very good terret it's a true terret that the gammorra says the terret but first I want to say I want to first say the shami the shami has a few truths the shami says one terret that the people that come to shakas and they weren't there by night they're going to think that ready we started mash by night okay so what's the problem the next year That's these people that didn't make it to but that much they're going to remember that to start by night you see a lot of such type of things last able to burn the whole day but people are going to make a mistake so maybe you have to go at the same time I talk ahead of those this year that almost made that mistake you know that like they want to I'm available for it's throughout the whole of PES saying people make such a mistake. So people that are not going to be by night by and they're going to hear by they're going to think we started already by by night. That's why you don't you don't start even by another reason says you have to be you have to announce to announce it by you can't announce it. Why? We learned here in the morning you're supposed to be meaning to say is in the morning you're not allowed to say you can't announce anything between before my is a lot even though it is also but it's a lot more lenient a little bit more of a sha but it's more lenient you're not want to be mafik between you can't be so that's why he says you have to I'll be the heads with the rush that's why you have to push it to to yet a third reason is that tal is a sim and just like pes the whole pes is bal sukus once we already with tal throughout sukus into we want to hold on to the tal which is as much as we could and that's how we start Musi a third and yet a final which very well said the rash says that we blow by because meaning to say is these less people by chakras so just like the reason that the isi says not by night because people that that are not there so it shouldn't be people starting different times if you start by chakras and people that show up only for it's vital going to be not everybody's starting at the same time and just to conclude you start when by however it's totally the and the ra as the the explains that there is just an explanation that you start already. You start already by by um and you just see but there are those that actually have the min that do not say by the is with of the of gashm. Of course the says but then only starts only by him we spoke this morning is to start we start by and it's totally if you start all of us do we start by or starts by and the rest the sour starts Have a wonderful Shabas.