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Lost & Found Revolution with Dr. Josh Fox
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Rabbi Schwed sits with Dr. Josh Fox and Rabbi Ezra Sarna to talk about the launch of Aveidah.com and the lost and found revolution. https://aveidah.com To learn more about All Daf please visit: https://alldaf.org/
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well they got up on a rock and they
screamed but this is the best evero that
can reach millions of people not just
500 or 600 people it's rare that we can
do a mitz for better than they could
have done in those
times good morning it is a pleasure to
be here with two distinguished friends I
have dror Josh Fox from the five towns
and Rabbi Ezra sarna and the reason why
why we are having this conversation is
because we are
approaching
in CLE and peric alas is
probably very well known to most those
who had the opportunity to learn in
Yeshiva I would say a majority of
yeshivas begin learning pericas in fifth
grade or sixth grade the first gumar
that's learned for many many when they
start learning is peras and it's a perak
which is interesting it's exciting and
one of the Prime topics primary topics
in parus is about losing objects and
what do you do when you lose an object
and the first Mna begins there are
certain objects which a person's allowed
to keep there are certain objects that a
person could return and someone who
lives I actually live in Lakewood I live
in a development I walk around my
neighborhood there are bikes and all
kinds of toys all over the place
I don't know who they belong to do I
have to pick it up do I have to give it
back then you walk into sh and you see
on the Bolton board that someone has
their keys hanging on a pin or one of
those um thumb tacks you know do these
Keys belong to you they have a dollar
bill with like six holes in it that has
been posted there for a year these are
some of the common shist that are
relevant TOA then there's the Practical
aspect when someone loses something how
do they get it back so bar we're in a
world where technology has helped us
Advance this area and I want to
introduce Dr Fox and he'll give us a
little bit of a background but he is
someone that the Mitzvah OFA has been on
his mind for quite some time and we have
Rabbi Ezra who I have the pleasure to
work with at the OU he's a director of
ala initiatives there are many different
initiatives that are relevant to the
Jewish world that he's involved in
whether it is aov whether it is St some
of the things are more in development
stages but someone who's been very
involved and he has been involved
working with Dr Fox developing a
platform that a makes it easier for
people to post lost objects and find
lost objects and also learn some of the
relevant for this Mitzvah so that is a
website aa.com Dr Fox why don't we begin
with you give us a little bit of your
background where you grew up where
you're from and if you want to get right
into how did has become a Mitzvah that
you're passionate about
uh it's actually I grew up in Dayton
Ohio and my father started the day
school there the the the the Hill
Academy I was in the first class every
year we grew and there was eventually my
father started the high school for my
daughter and uh in little town but big
things can be accomplished my father was
M of many people in the little town of
Dayton
Ohio um uh how I got passionate it's
actually interesting someone asked me
this question yesterday and uh for at
least over the last 20 years I've been
uh very interested in this topic I I
remember one time I I I was on a date
and I left my wallet in a thing called a
phone
booth and uh and then I realized it and
I ran back to the phone booth and
someone posted whoever lost something
please call me this is in Midtown
Manhattan and I went to the person and
the person the young lady was so nice I
offered her mondy she I made such an
impression on me it was it was such you
know my heart went up and you know you
have so much in your wallet um and this
was before the the day of cell phones
and your whole life is there and you
know it's uh it I I know that it was a
tremendous to me and uh that was one
incident as I was thinking back that
really was memorable to me and I saw
what and I see what Hashem made this
Mitzvah to really bring sh
excellent Rabbi sarna you want to jump
in What was your first introduction to
Dr Fox and what's been happening under
the hood since then now every once in a
while you you meet somebody and in the
OU I I meet lots of different people and
there's some people that just strike you
as so genuine uh and so idealistic and
so real you almost want to knock on them
to see if they're real uh and so Dr Fox
was definitely someone that I wanted to
knock on but uh the truth is that I knew
his kids already so I knew he was real
you could see the Paris of the Elon
already blossoming and and uh you know
Dr Fox came in and he said uh you know
there's this Mitzvah that that he feels
that has been left uh you know part of
it is that's hard to do part of it is
that people don't know what to do and
part of it is that we live in a culture
where money's not and money and
positions are not as valuable as people
anymore you know they just drop things
and and and it really something's lost
and so for and so for the Mitzvah itself
like Dr Fox Said the say you have to
treat every Mitzvah equally you
don't you don't know so who says that
that has is not going to be the one to
to take us over to the to now to bring
us to to mhia we also we we as part of
this process when Dr Fox mentioned the
idea to us it's such a simple idea um to
help col Israel we found that there were
others who had tried uh you know
attempted building websites as a central
place for for uh for shasa and we
reached out I found the contact
information of a beautiful Jew named SCH
Hafner uh and I reached out him he said
the whole the whole world the entire
Bri now created a world that was that
was close to perfect and then it went
away from that and so the whole Tas the
whole reason for all of our existence is
to bring the world back to bring K's
world back to him so uh so we got to
start somewhere um so so we got involved
AR Fox had this idea and uh it's just
been I've been trying to help Dr Fox get
there and I think we're there and we're
excited to to bring it to the world I I
would just add to that that um you know
we think of Y going back
for and and those panim you know that's
everybody's lost object but with the
things that they were left behind you
know the worry the so he went back as
that sadik I think Rashi brings down for
sadik his his every object is so to them
because they know it's all part of the
ronam uh everything belongs toon so hope
this will eventually spread to to every
to every city to every city in the
United States to Across The Globe around
the world translate into Spanish
translate into Italian to be in in many
around the world that's what we want so
this mitvah will be accomplished but we
but we have to Value little objects we
have to realize everything's from the
ribon Shalom and and and and this
Mitzvah is such it's a Mitzvah Thea like
like Rabbi s said that's being trampled
upon and uh I I view it comparable to
the mitz of shotas 30 years ago you know
it was it was sort of resurrected and
and and and and established and now who
would think of not getting their their
suit checked for
shotas right and I I I think if you take
a look at the website pages on the
website have guidelines and some of
these ideas that we're sharing I think
is really what makes it relevant because
I think people it's one of the mitzvas
as you mentioned people walk around they
don't really know exactly how to treat
the Mitzvah and how to deal with the
Mitzvah and like I like I mentioned at
the outset you walk by you see a bike on
the floor you see you see a dollar bill
on the floor you see and it really
depends where you are you know sometimes
you feel like you're only worried and
car about the big things you know you
see someone lost their thin and people
are worried how how to get his thin back
but I think it's important to bring out
the panim aspect you know the way people
treat other people's property and these
are all
um um outcomes of of this beautiful
Mitzvah so um if you want to discuss um
either Rabbi Sara and or Dr Fox What
specifically um did you add to this
website I see something which is seems
cool to me in today's technology you
don't even have to come check if someone
found your object you're going to be
notified automatically you may talk
about some of the technology that's been
in place to move this forward okay sure
so so I I think the fact that we're able
to post by category and uh in the
initial phase one it won't do an
automatic match and because we want to
be able to see the logic of how people
think before we make the automatic match
so that it will match the way people are
thinking but a after phase one
eventually it will send back a message
to the person to know let them know that
there is something on their object that
it's already been posted or that are
that are that uh someone found it or
they that they're they just lost it
whatever the story is it does it by
location it does it by by category it
does by the specific object so that we
should be able to develop matches so
that we should be able to let you know
if if if someone lost a black hat in in
in Woodmere it's different than losing a
black hat in Inwood and and that would
help us make a better match and bring
them together and of course we have to
do it Al so that we don't want them to
say on the site the S you know oh yeah
it's got a little tear up in the right
hand corner because you can't put that
on the site and everything should match
the way it was done in the time of the
second Bas of mikdash with the Evano
where they got up on a rock and they
screamed but this is the best Evano that
can reach millions of people not just
500 or 600 people depending on how loud
you could scream so I I think the site
brings it to much more modern and much
more it it it enables us to Adit even
better better than they could do during
it's it's rare that we can do a Mitzvah
better than they could have done in
those times so I think this is a one of
those opportunities where we can
actually do a Mitzvah better than they
could do during the time of the bdes if
I could share a personal anecdote I had
the couple weeks ago to be in and we
also had the to do for somebody and we
brought a full suitcase for somebody to
so all our suitcases were coming around
um the baggage claim area on the belt
and my wife says oh I see the suitcase I
think it's ours and so I picked it up
and I put it down on our cart not
realizing that she wasn't sure it was
ours I thought she was sure it was ours
surely enough we get back toim and we
look at the tag and it is not ours it
has someone else's name on it so it
wasn't hours and the suitcase we were
missing wasn't hours either so the first
thing I did was I posted on my status do
you know the name of the person whose
tag was on it um I opened up the
suitcase I saw there were packages for
others in there with phone numbers and I
started that whole procedure and bar we
Tracked Down the person and my wife had
to go back to the airport and get our
piece of luggage they didn't want to
release it until they were sure the
other person had their luggage which is
a separate story but if there be a.com
which everybody knows about the first
place this would be is on.com missing
suitcase benorian airport date flight
and um that would be that would be a
go-to location for this type of
situation
people ask us you know why do you need a
website aren't things working currently
so the we tell people is right now when
somebody finds something the best they
can do is they post it on WhatsApp like
R did they put it on a status or they
ask their friends but very often your
your your WhatsApp circle is very
limited you know especially there are
people who travel all over the world
there people from LA and New York there
people from who are in uh you know
Florida traveling to Idaho or Canada or
across the world you can you can lose
something so easily and uh just because
somebody finds it and has a few friends
on WhatsApp doesn't mean they're going
to find it um so this is really the
challenge of this is to get the word out
there so that everybody knows that it
exists and then then the Mitzvah could
be accomplished fairly easily um you
know one story one of the reasons why I
was when I always love this Mitzvah is
because there's a story that really
touched me I heard that the rim
Ina there were they were murmuring
amongst themselves that they were
finding the kids weren't taking to Al
it's hard you're young kid they start
learning in fourth fifth grade it's
challenging you know they why don't we
teach them why teach them concept as
they're more familiar with and that way
the learning the beginning ofar will go
quicker so apparently heard that there
was discussions in the Rim's room you
know between between their B and he
called them in and he said CL has been
learning for for hundred hundreds of
years and we're not changing that we're
not changing the curriculum of of
of and if you want to know why we start
with it's because if you learn you learn
you learn about mitv that a person does
in his home so he can think I'm I'm a y
I'm a from Jew in my house when I go
into the street so when I do business
and I interact with other people okay so
then maybe there's a different set of
rules different set of Standards if if
the first thing a kid learns when he's
learning the
the is that you find something that's
worth a PR that belongs to somebody else
that a k is watching and it's your
responsibility to give it back to them
right when it comes to even though it
would look very feel very nice in your
pocket right you've got to give it back
that the you're yid everywhere you're
you're a sh ter everywhere and and the
coach BR is always watching I always
love that story and always stuck with me
so when when Dr Fox mentioned this I
think that it also resonated here's an
opportunity for me to get involved to to
help CL out this Mitzvah just getting
back to what we started with this could
be a Mitzvah that people are d by it's
not so well known it's not so um well
kept properly with the proper um just to
plug our own work we did we still
haven't finished yet we were going
through it's fascinating most people
know a couple of his a couple of the
more well-known s that he was involved
with and some of his we see his and CH
that come out different placesi wrote
many on mitz that he writes himself at
the beginning in of farum the reason why
I'm writing these farum is because these
are Mitzvah that people aren't either
aware of they're not careful about and
he writes he writes he write a saer on
the Mitzvah of arua or write a saer on
the Mitzvah of kak tattoos and how it's
relevant today exactly where it's
relevant he'll take a Mitzvah and
spend K's time lots of time going
through it and writing the safer so Hasa
is also something and perhaps we'll have
a safer we'll put out a safer one day
all the so many interesting on the
website and their shist that come up you
know this this could also be a
repository of people they could send in
Shas that they have you
know certainly will know um where to
send the where to send the Shas to and I
see Dr Fox wants to comment on this also
right right so one of the things we're
doing is as part of the the out the
beginning the inaugural we're having
about 10 different raban from the five
towns Inwood Woodmere Cedar Hurst far
Rockway GI sherim on the topic of hasab
saeda and the topic of has many
different subtopics you
know you know what are the exceptions
what are the rules How about if it's a
go how about if it's in Yesa how about
how about what you know the the Mitzvah
of hash also according to manyon has to
deal with the it's it's it's the it's
the Mandate for a doctor to to do RAF
you know some some some say
it's some people say it's the Mitzvah of
uh it's also the Mitzvah of Kim so I'm
saying the Mitzvah is really pretty
expansive and you know let's start off
with the basics and let's and I think it
will I think it will
cause many Jews to come back to yish as
Rabbi cron tells in many stories in
several stories where the Mitzvah of
caused the Jew to come back to yish
kite Dr Fox you want to tell you want to
tell ra a little bit about the uh the
videos um that you're making sure sure
so um so I thought if we're doing this
project you know we always start with
the youth you know many times the tail
wags the dog so if the kids one are
excited about this Mitzvah the parents
you know we're parents we're jaded a
little bit so we need to get excited so
we need to get the kids to be excited so
uh I I reached out to tor
Rabbi Roth and he's made for us so far I
think three or four videos and
eventually we'll hopefully have 11 and
you know things that bring the Mitzvah
to life some talk about Hala some talk
about tikun some talk about you know
many different aspects of the Mitzvah
and um you and it'll be it makes it
brings the Mitzvah to life for children
and makes them see uh and I think for
adults too you know you know adults get
inspired by these by these type of um
presentations and and also there'll be
study guides for um for children in
Yeshiva there'll be um also be quizzes
so it I wanted this to be more
comprehensive Al there'll be a
children's section on the site which
will allow you know our children to
become more excited and I think when
children get excited about a Mitzvah
adults get excited you know uh we should
get you know uh kids get very excited
when they go by Lula V esrog you know
then adults get more excited I think it
works both ways I'll add one more thing
you know one of the things that Dr Fox
and I have discussed and I think this is
one of the things that really motivated
Dr Fox it's hard to remember everything
that motivates you when you're on camera
but but there's so there are you know
cholesterol is is large and we have
different groups of cherol different
families and different uh different
cultures and it's it's rare that there
are spaces and Mitzvah where we can all
share and we can all come together and
be together and a shaba is one of those
areas where it doesn't matter it doesn't
much doesn't matter what you look like
where you're from what language you
speak this is an area that all can can
can meet and join and be together and
how can we not take that opportunity to
to capitalize on that so the goal like
we mentioned is for this to be an
international central place for shasa we
have to start somewhere we're starting
right now in the five towns because
again this the concept only works if
people know about it and and we need
people to know about but we're focusing
right now um on on getting the word out
in the five towns and the hope is that
we'll prove the concept in the five
towns if you live in if you live in uh
Thailand or a Israel or or LA or South
America you could still post on the site
and they'll still take it and maybe
somebody will find on it but but the
Focus right now is going to to try to
focus on the five towns that people can
know about it and and we can see if this
works I want to thank every Sade for his
uh offer to to to to publicize this
because the more we publicize them
Mitzvah the more we publicize the
Mitzvah the more people will do the
Mitzvah and they and and and when you do
I think says if you do it's multiplying
so I think this will create it's not
just that this is
aah that we have to do I think this when
when you learn about the Mitzvah when
you're going to see sh about the Mitzvah
on our site many sh from around from the
OU from Wu from from all around um from
um Torah any time from all around all
different sh and from the five towns and
Etc and eventually mem to to uh to to
all you know from we we'll see it in in
in all the different communities um this
will cause a a greater creation of more
the
Mitzvah we
do not
just.com is now live and you could go
on.com and see what's available but I
think even more importantly because
Rabbi SAR has mentioned that the actual
um lost and found part of the site is
being focused now on the five towns but
the other areas of the website the Torah
shim and the Torah outlines regarding
this Mitzvah are available for one and
for all wherever you are if you're in
Thailand or Isel or Lakewood or five
towns or Florida or Croatia wherever you
may
be one last thing I'll say is that is
that since alas is the first lwood that
uh the children do in in uh in in
yeshivas the hope is that a the will
become part of that education when when
the reame are teaching and and the kids
are need to need to close the garas so
the re can say Okay aa.com you should
know about it and and they'll take it
home and they'll take the magnets home
and they'll let their families know
about it and hopefully this will become
part of the regular education of K Isel
that this is where you go just like the
time mikdash when they would teach the
kids say okay you found the Neda during
the Char you go to the EV we're g to
tell everybody about this AA you lost
now they'll say okay you're learning
alus from now on aa.com is where you go
with your AAS on our on our on our
poster that we're going to be posting up
in all the shes we will have a sagula
about uh what you can say if you want to
find a lost object so that's going to be
on the that's going to be on the poster
that that we're going to M be putting up
in all the sches and hopefully it'll be
in every SCH in America at one point
fact that is so thought thoughtful and
the more I spend time with you I see
that you are really the creative driver
behind all the different aspects of this
project because that's also something
personal we have
this I know it's a measur somewhere I
can't tell you exactly I think I got
most of the words right you want to find
something you say it one time three
times I don't even know could be there's
something clearer about it and this
could be part of the educational
material and the signage that goes up
that's that's brilliant brilliant
actually my I have to than my son rosha
do fox who's been helping us out in I
also want to thank my son-in-law yako
baldinger who's been helping us out also
on this project okay so thank you very
much Dr Fox thank you RAB sarna and blem
we should come together again for for
the good of CLA
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