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Leadership Series 2022 Session #5
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okay so let me uh let me begin
uh
so we're in the the one of rashiva's
harry weinberg's
classic presentations and this was
called the five levels of free will
um rabbi sampson last time i think went
over the five
uh the five levels of pleasure and if
you didn't didn't hear that you really
must
really must do it because it's pretty
amazing
um so
so i would definitely get in on that
record
but
the mission in perkiavos
says mission 3 18
third chapter 18th mission that says
haiyahu o mayor he used to say
have adam
how precious is a man should never but
sell him that he was created but selam
and in god's image
so
it really is an extraordinary thing you
know right in the beginning of the bible
it says that man was created in god's
end so the rabbis many of them learn
that we just like god is a creator and
he willfully chooses he has free will so
he gave us this incredible power to
create literally to create worlds god
forbid to destroy them
to be able to obviously transform the
world that we live in and the amazing
ability that allows for human beings to
do all the amazing things that we do in
life is this power of free will
then the mission that goes on into
something quite interesting the mystic
continues and says
sarah it's even more precious
to never patella and he let us know
that we were created in his image and
then he quotes the the verse in the
torah that let us know
that's perplexing like what what we have
to we're going to pat ourselves on the
back
that god let us know how now i you know
and he used to give an analogy great
analogy says imagine you know we've all
been unfortunately in this situation in
large cities i remember manhattan you
know you see
see the the uh homeless person with the
cart and everything in their life you
know it's kind of in that car imagine
one day a person you know walks by and
the guy is sleeping next to the car and
he feels his heart tug and he wants to
do something for this guy so he takes a
check
for
fifty thousand dollars
and he puts it you know he puts it in a
little bag and he puts it underneath he
didn't want anybody to take it he puts
it in the bottom of the shopping part
now the it's the guy that now the
homeless guy's got good news and bad
news the good news is he's rich
fifty thousand dollars can change his
entire life
the bad news is he doesn't know he's
rich so he's living in the same poverty
the same despair and the same
hopelessness though
holly visera was even
a bigger gift than giving us free will
and god said he pointed it out to us he
says my dear children this is the key to
your greatness free will is indeed the
key to your greatness
now
most of us think really free will i
would ask you it's just the ability to
choose to make choices but i think when
you think about it a little more deeply
choosing vanilla or chocolate ice cream
yes of course it's a choice but it's not
what what i mean or what the mystery is
when it's talking about free world
choices animals can actually have
preferences between kind of food and
other kind of food cold warmth and so on
and so forth
it's significant choice right free will
is really the ability to make
significant or meaningful choices i
think when you do when you dig down a
little bit deeper most people think
that free will
is the choice between doing the right
thing doing the wrong thing doing
something meaningful versus something
less meaningful by the way this was the
second level of third level of free of
pleasure that rabbi sampson spoke about
really before was meaning incredible
pleasure of meaning which involved free
will at its core
now if you think about it i remember
when i when i was thinking about the
idea of free will it struck me that how
many significant moments
can i remember during each day where i
had moral choices to make where it was a
real significant moment you know where i
had an option to do something nothing
something and you know i might i might
look at my wife when i get up give her a
kiss before i go have a tender moment
see my children perhaps i i go and i
give some daka
when i go to david in the morning you
know perhaps later on i'm sensitive to
one of my co-workers like when you think
about it
if i have to have i add up 10 really
truly quote unquote what i would call
meaningful moments that would be a
really pretty good day i had ten moments
that i could remember and point to
but i realized if god is giving me a
power us all of us a real incredible
significant power
it must be that that's in play 24 7. and
god doesn't do anything less than
perfect so it's perplexing
let's dig a little let's dig a little
bit deeper
now i want to actually go to the torah
and how the torah defines free will
that's a little bit
not what you and i might think
so in the book of davarin the last book
deuteronomy which we're in now we're
going to get to this chapter and you
know
close to rosh hashanah
so it's a very very famous chapter and
and the third says
see i placed before you
today
and i place death and evil obviously
time is good death is evil so i'm
placing life and death before you
good and bad before you and a little bit
later on after it mentions a few other
things a little bit later on it says
and you should choose life
the monteria so you'll live
very interesting
very interesting how the torah is
defining free will it's actually
defining free will as the choice between
life and death
there's a fascinating thing i don't
think i would have thought
that's the torah how that would be
defined doesn't even seem to make a
whole lot of sense because if you think
about it
when
part of saying life or death
is the choice of death always in front
of us i mean thank god you know most of
us aren't choosing to take that option
how is that the the choice and how is
free will defined in that way
and and the target's saying but hard to
behave because if you don't choose life
somehow
somehow you're actually choosing death
so rabbi weinberg used to give an
example now i just want to apologize
because it is sensitive meaning it's an
idea of someone god forbid that takes
their own life
and we know people are in that situation
but i have i want to use the example
because it really
defines the torah's understanding of
this in the best way possible so please
forgive me if any of you know any please
forgive me i want to go ahead with the
analogy so unfortunately when someone is
in that situation incredible pain
feeling tremendously overwhelmed and and
thoughtful it decides to take that
object
so typically
what it is is that the person
can't really see beyond the incredible
pain that they're in
there's there's there's much to be
grateful for there's much out there but
their perspective is so
caught in the situation there is they
see nowhere they see no way out
now what we see is it's an escape the
idea of of saying i don't want to live
anymore is really an escape
and you might say
but
again rabbi that doesn't apply to any of
us i mean
are we escaping
and rabbi weinberg would always say
did you ever say
you want to kill a little time
right kill a little time he says you
know what you're doing when you say you
want to kill a little time
says you're killing a little life
because time is the context for which we
live our life
killing time
dead drunk
i'm just zombing at i'm chilling right
as the kids say
so what is that that is what he would
call used to call
death in installments
death and installments we're not as we
might not be escaping
the final solution
but we're escaping
the choice and the struggle
of being great
that's really what we're escaping
because we have one thing in common with
the person that took that option
that we want to avoid pain at all costs
i just want to bring you back to
something rabbi sampson probably said in
your last class because it's incredibly
important rabbi weinberg used to always
ask people and he would say
what is the opposite of pain
and most people 9 out of 10 people would
say
the opposite of pain is pleasure
and he would say no
it's not pleasure
the opposite of pain is
no pain
or as we like to say comfort
meaning real pleasure is not just taking
away pain i was in my car today my air
conditioning is really
bad that the
compressor is really going and it's
painful if someone were to fix my air
conditioner i'm not really getting
pleasure
i'm just comfortable
i'm avoiding all pain every great
pleasure in life raising children
starting a business
being a good friend
using your power free will
working out
entails a great amount of struggle a
great amount of sacrifice near do i say
pain
but we look at pain in a very pejorative
sense it's to be avoided at all costs
you have to know this
your friends about yourselves and about
all humanity we are pain avoiding
machines but realize if all you do is
avoid pain meaning your whole life is
geared to comfort
all i can tell you is you will never get
great pleasure in life
because the greatest pleasure in life
comes at the price of struggle effort
and near do i say okay that's very
important because that's going to be at
the essence of free will so the pain
that we're all escaping is that
difficulty of struggling and being great
it's not the final exit
we take the route of death installments
we take comfort over pleasure a few
quick examples
when i was a kid
i used to um like to go like i was a
competitive tennis player i used to try
to go jogging early in the morning
and there was one part of me that said
what are you crazy we're gonna we're
gonna go out we're gonna die our
heart's gonna blow up if we take another
step if we do three miles the other side
said shut up we want to be great we want
to live we want to be amazing you how we
have these two sides in us one that
wants to go to sleep
one that wants to take that ultimate
step
and one that wants to thrive this is the
pivot of this is the pivot of free will
now
how we resolve this conflict
is going to be what makes us great
there's a famous medrush which mentions
a battle
and a sage sees these people come back
from a victory and they're flushed with
excitement and he and he says to them ah
that's a puny war that you guys are
fighting
when
man human beings fight a war and they
even lose
so you know what if they run the enemy
will regroup maybe they'll have a week
maybe they'll have a month maybe they'll
have a year before they come at them
again
and even if they come at them if you run
far enough away
far and wide they won't come after you
this enemy
not only is he right after you
he will run as far as you run imagine
you had an enemy right within your very
camp
that would be horrible that would be the
end the enemies in your camp this is the
battle
that we have inside
between the body and the soul
the battle the battle of free will is
the body and the soul
but i wanted to get up when i was 16 to
go jog
my soul was saying you want to be great
you want to get that edge in that pettis
competition get going my body was saying
hug the pillow hit the snooze alarm
some of you remember when you went to
college maybe you wanted to go to
medical school and there was this great
party on saturday night you had to
decide am i going to go study
right or am i going to go to the party
tough decision do i listen to my desires
of the moment what my body is interested
with my body's after or i delay that
gratification and i do i live into the
aspirations of my soul this is the war
between the body and soul and this war
my friends is constant because every one
of us has the ability to access
this any moment of the day right now
you're saying hey rick this is heavier
than i bargained for maybe i should just
kind of tune it out i should multitask
while i'm speaking right now
the other part saying no you gotta
listen this this could be one of the
most significant pieces of torah that
you'll ever learn
when you're at work you could be
thinking maybe i should like you know
just kind of go on autopilot like i've
been doing for the last 10 years but no
you know what i need to get a new skill
i need to give my employer their money
worth i need to learn a little bit more
torah so you can see this definition of
free will but unlike what i posited
in the beginning is operative 24 7. am i
going to be engaged with life or am i
going to escape from life engage escape
comfort true pleasure
gauge escape comfort true pleasure so
there's five levels of free will
first two levels
actually expand our range of free world
julia is the first step because you want
to have a broad canvas which to paint
your life story okay now there are two
aspects to it the first one rabbi
weinberg used to call periscope up
and when he met by periscope up he said
a lot of our free will
uh choices
are kind of dead to us because we go
unhappy
we just go we're habitual creatures you
know there's a good side to it because
if i had to sing every single time
reassess every single decision i ever
made i'd probably go crazy but the
downside to not
reassessing
your
meaningful choices is that you tend to
go on oil piling so he would say the
first step of free will
is get on top of your choices
see how many they just like catalog them
see how many of them are on autopilot
same breakfast i do the same thing in
the morning i might put on the same
radio station on the way to work
maybe he said maybe you should
reconsider perhaps you should listen to
a courage here on the way to work
perhaps you should think that that a
problem
he used to have five problems on his his
fingertips at all times when he was in a
like transition between two places in a
meeting he would think about one of
those problems fascinating maybe you
want to call some good friends to do a
mitzvah to connect and connect them
relationships there's so much we can do
but the first step is to just notice
that so much of our life just goes on
autopilot and therefore if it does this
it doesn't you're bypassing free will in
that moment you're really going on a
decision you made you know one year ago
five years ago 20 years ago the first
step is get curious it's a great word in
life i think in a lot of aspects of
self-help get curious think about the
different things you do start assessing
why am i doing it that way why they do
it this way you know and then what
happens is the canvas of your ability to
really uh create those moments of your
life
more meaningfully they just start to
absolutely sprout and and and that in
itself could change your mind okay
that's step number one
periscope up
step number two
and rabbit weinman would say this and
it's very interesting he would say don't
be a puppet
of your society or your past beliefs
similar to the first step means
to say is we're also not just habituated
in choices we've made we're also very
dumb you know habituated on ideas that
we have about life
and that society has given us
now i remember you know he would always
say that one man's social conditioning
you know social condition our children
in certain values certain things about
our country about our system of
government and our views and values it's
social conditioning but one man's social
conditioning is another man's
brainwashing right if it's not the truth
it's brainwashing it is the truth of
social conditioning it would always say
you have to always think through the
ideas that you hold in life
through it
and examined it now not even in issues
of truth but just you came to a
conclusion about a certain thing five
years ago every once in a while if it's
significant you have to revisit it
and you can't just go cookie cutter i i
you know it's funny my kids at this
point in my life they're about they're
getting to their 20s now you know and i
went through the last you know 10 years
of the team the teen years
and i listened a lot of ways to kind of
cookie-cutter advice about my kids and i
think i realized
as i went after the first one or two
that you know what i know my kids
probably better than anybody
and i really do have to listen to what
people that are qualified rabbis and
rabbits what they have to say but i
can't i can't give up my intellect
right
and because i in the end of the day know
those children and i have to bring it
all together you know robert weinberg
used to say there's a mix from the torah
called
which means listen to the wise men and
he said it doesn't just mean listen
unthinkingly it means listen and if you
don't agree or understand go back a
hundred times
so they can give you clarity meaning
give them the benefit of the doubt that
they know a lot more than you in other
words don't be arrogant
have some humility but we all have to we
all have a misfit because we
we all have the midfield to know there's
a god that means we have to examine our
beliefs and we have to periodically read
that so that's level number two level
number one is periscope up
start getting on top of your choices in
life and it himself will change your
life and an aspect of that
is look into the things the ideas that
you've kind of been also putting on
autopilot some of them which you may
have come up with 10 15 20 years ago
okay now the third level of free will
this is the one i want to focus on this
is the most important part of this class
this third level of free will and the
third level of free will is the conflict
between the body and the soul
it's
the war that we described before the
internal war that we all have to face
now you might have you might have known
seen from that war we have two
conflicting sides man is made of one
part rock one part animal i would say
and one part angel
we have one part that's an animal and
one part of it has an age very
interestingly
neither an animal nor an angel according
to torah
has free will all right think about that
for a second animals go in our free will
they have instinct
don't have free will to make moral
choices to transcend their their station
in life not at all
angels you you might find interesting to
know also do not have free will you know
we call angels in the vernacular the
angels are god's yes men
that's what the angels are mean they're
pure they're holy they only have one leg
because they only have one choice you
know man and woman we have two legs and
they say that two legs give it it
symbolizes free will we could go right
we can go left
that's why we say stanium kipra one of
the reasons we stand is we want to be
like the angels and that's how we put
our feet together when we govern shimona
esri that the embedded the uh standing
prayers like outside of prayer so we can
with our free will become angels and
give our will up to god
but angels and animals don't have free
will mankind is the unique combination
it has a body that has tension within
its soul
and that tension between the body and
the soul that's what creates free will
so let's go back to some of those
examples we mentioned one about the
jogging versus going to sleep so what is
the what does the body want to do the
body wants to ultimately sleep you know
that mystically the body we're gonna the
ashes and even gravity right locals down
to the earth the body actually has a
death wish heard about that the body
wants to really sleep its ultimate
ideals in hawaii on a hammock with a
pina colada in hand just about sleep
you know it's funny because the talmud
says that sleep is 160 is the best
160 is the death it's related to death
because death is the big sleep
right so that's what the body wants the
body wants comfort the body wants his
desires the body wants to eat to drink
to be merry and it wants it now
what's the soul want
the soul is aspirational you know just
like the body the gravity everything in
life brings uh materially goes down
because of gravity when you take a
candle which is the symbol of the soul
what happens to the candle
no matter how you hold the candle the
flame always is
going up
that's the symbol symbolism of the
aspirations of your soul
the body is never
going to
do anything but what it's meant to do it
has it goes like the animal everything
in it just wants to sleep
the soul is the aspirational part of
human being you know what a midlife
crisis is a midlife crisis
is nothing more than the soul
getting really nervous that half of his
his or her life is up and he didn't
accomplish the job he or she was put
here for to be great
and he wants meaning any and he feels he
needs a change
unfortunately if you don't know that's
what's going on
you most people give it a porsche
divorce a wife and get another one they
stuff it with more materialism but the
soul doesn't want that materialism the
soul wants spiritual food
and god unfortunately it gets drowned
out that's what a midlife crisis is
so the advice is to know what free will
and this struggle is all about so we
don't have to go through this midlife
crisis
that's interesting you can look at the
jewish people in the religious community
you don't see a lot of that because we
solidly understand that we're in the
summers and that we and that
will never
give up you know that the body will
remember why we say great he says you
know the horse could be trained by the
rider
to take the rider wherever he wants to
go
that's the analogy but soul and a body
body's the horse the soul is the writer
the soul will never give up but the body
will so what does the soul want to do
soul wants to be good the soul wants to
be sensitive the soul wants to be loving
the so every the soul wants everything
you would want
i said to you at 11 o'clock at night
write down what you really want when
you're sober or before you're about to
go to bed everyone knows what they want
everyone knows what they're about if you
dig deep right when you're not caught in
the throes of your physical desires
the raven willingburg would take a step
further give a very practical definition
which is i think one of the greatest
contributions he's made to torah for
literature and torah teaching this is
what he would say
he would say free will listen to me
carefully i'll repeat it a few times
free will is the struggle
between the body with the body
feels like doing
versus what the soul wants to do
free will is the struggle between what
the body feels like doing and what the
soul wants to do so when i first heard
this i'm like what are you talking about
feel want you're playing word games he
would say carefully listen carefully
the body feels like eating now
the body feels like
getting all its desires gratified the
body feels like quitting it's a visceral
it's a now feeling
fueled by desire
it feels like doing it
the soul rather
wants
things has aspirations wants we call
them not desires desires as of our
feeling
soul wants to be great the soul wants to
be loving the soul wants to be
compassionate and giving and rabbi
weinberg said free will is a struggle
between what you want to do which is
what you feel like doing he said the
greatest human beings in the world all
they have to focus on is doing what they
want
more often than what they feel like
going to the gym
more often what i want to do i want to
get in shape i'm going to do i'm going
to go to the gym which is what i want to
do more often than hitting the snooze
button which is what i feel like
i'm gonna
try to be patient with my mother which
is what i want more often than snapping
at her which is what my body feels like
doing in the moment you can get any any
free will struggle would fit into that
incredible
true paradigm
the righteous person that sadly
the great person the transformational
person is the one that does what they
want
more often than what they feel like
mind really is a mind blowing practical
beautiful definition of free will now he
would say that
he would use this analogy as well he
would say
that
that all of us have
uh
certain free will struggles which are
more primary like i have a struggle with
food you know and my wife doesn't my
wife just stick thin
and doesn't think about it at all and
i'm always you know thinking about the
new diet you know which did what to do
how to do it
and that's one of my favorite struggles
i have a free will struggle to be
patient you know but when i'm with you
know again with my mother i do our
finances and it's a struggle
each of us probably has five or six like
essential free will struggles that hit
us again and again
and again now he would say imagine
you're on a boat a cruise ship and
you're on the cia
you're part of the cia
they're another ship you're going across
the ocean you have a job to do in
wherever the the court of call is that
you're coming up to
and
you have no idea but there's a russian
agent he's just used to say this back in
1990 there's a russian agent on the ship
looking out for you
he's gonna ambush you you don't even
know he's there that is a bad that's a
bad
plan that's a that's a tough thing
he would say that's us
he says if we don't unearth and know
what our free will struggles for we get
ambushed and it's so true but if i don't
go on a call when i'm you know i'm gonna
go advise my mother on why these things
she's let us you know say what she
thinks or whatever and i'm rushed and so
on and so forth if i don't accept myself
and remember
that hey i'm going into the lion's den
here i've got a free world struggle
coming up more than not i fall in
because we're habituated
often
and we're body oriented so we're going
to habitually
fall in
to that freewill struggle but imagine
that you know these are my five or six
essential free will struggles
and you unearth them you you actually
say hey i'm going to look out for them
then you can be incredibly proactive
about
these struggles that you have as i said
before being great is nothing more
than doing what you want more often than
what you feel like so a few things first
of all find those free will struggles
that are specific to you and unearth
them so you're not ambushed
and also get curious as well
and spend time
really thinking through what is it that
i really want
what are those
those aspirational things that i want
because if
if we have been acting more like bodies
over the last you know some of us are 40
50 60 30 right
if we didn't know this a person doesn't
know this they could habituate it into
acting a little bit like a bot but now
we're kind of like a new consciousness
we're trying to act like souls the
problem is they're acting like souls but
we're very habituated
like bodies
so you have to almost re-catalog
what is it that i want in life what are
the things the more the practical things
i want to learn uh certainly now i want
to maybe do it for me for the for the
you know the better the whoever involved
i might want to learn hebrew or go
through the sinner what are the things
that you want to do what do you want to
do in your personal life with your
relationships like too often our
relationships go on autopilot so make
paddle up what is it that you want and
then
what are the things that get in your way
like what are those feel like situations
that actually get in the way
of you doing what you want then you'd be
able to have a game plan right you could
take up again you can't do it all at
once rome wasn't building the day but
then you could have a game plan to kind
of decide okay you know what i know i
know what has been going on a little bit
with me kind of unbeknownst to me or not
so on the on the front burner maybe to
the back of my head but not in the front
of my head
but just to review and i'll open up for
a few questions the first step of free
will and by the way free will is the
power to be great you want to be great
you'll do what you want more than what
you feel like do that is
if there's one takeaway that should be
to take with first step is periscope up
get on top of your choices don't let
your choices run you you have to run
your choices because then you're running
your life
and that's number one and that would
even include
reconsidering past decisions past ideas
past philosophies that you may have
taken on for whatever reason okay
number three which is really the most
important thing is to realize that you
have this war internal struggle going on
all the time 24 7 and no you're not
schizophrenic i remember i had you know
the read the book simple when i was
young and and i you know thought i was
schizophrenic no you're not that's the
human condition schizophrenia is built
into the human condition it's called
body and soul war
and and then kind of unearth what those
funeral struggles are
and at the same time try to you know
really kind of hone in on what you
want out of life and then you can start
making a game plan um someone actually
asked me a question
yeah so what do you what do you do
with limiting beliefs not feeling enough
right not feeling enough limiting
beliefs okay so again that those things
like a little different those are the
things you have to kind of work through
like why does a person have living
limiting beliefs you know are they
really true are they not true is that
more of a self-help you know that's a
they have to work through
usually limiting limiting beliefs
are things a person has to work through
because they don't believe that
they're
an unlimited soul they don't believe
that god loves them and that can do
anything for them in other words usually
living usually living beliefs are a
limited perspective and they don't
really see the wider perspective so you
have to really follow that's a i think
it's a different type of a whole
different type of uh
class but it's like you have to bring
them over to a bigger picture rather
than being caught in the little picture
i mean that's that that's we talked
about being stuck in a little picture
okay this is trying you have to try to
get up to a bigger picture and there's a
great book that rabbi um
israel tauberg what's a jew and he
talked about the first five chapters in
that book how a jew is so great and what
he should be thinking when i read this
book i'm like it really it really gave
me a
um upgrade
in feeling great about myself and kind
of the natural limiting beliefs that
people haven't i've had to help move it
away so that was one example of how you
can deal with some limiting beliefs but
i think it's a little separate a little
bit of a separate topic
okay anybody have any questions about
the free will about the rabbit
weinberg's um philosophy on it
any comments you'd like to add
um you know i i think also like i said
before the idea of pain
is like very very important to realize
that it's it's life is not just about
avoiding pain you know our whole society
you know america is all about retirement
and what retirement and nutshell is is i
want comfort you know i don't want my
life my life has been like this forever
i want it to be like this now you know i
want it to be straight smooth i remember
rabbi wolbe one of the great ethicists
of the 20th century said hey you don't
want it you don't want it like that it's
like you know healthy cardiogram goes up
and down
this is called flatline
he says that's not what you want
you know if your whole life is about
comfort like i said before
that's never going to bring you true
pleasure
that's something you have to constantly
go back to this idea of you know and i i
say reframe it my kids love like chess i
don't like this and the reason i don't
like chess because i find it painful
i find thinking ahead five moves i don't
like i'm between patient and i find it
painful and i realized that if i wanted
to enjoy the pleasure chess i'd have to
reframe that from that from painful
to struggle or
effort to get the pleasure of like you
know right so that was kind of how i how
i looked at
you know one man's pain is another man's
another man's pleasure
annie anything else anybody anyone to
make a comment
okay ladies so what we're going to do
then is um
we are going to uh two weeks time i'm
going to do the next two levels the last
two levels of the five levels of free
will
okay and uh i hope you enjoyed it i
found truthfully
this idea about
what you want versus what you feel like
i've never seen it anywhere else
in torah literature and i i never found
anything as practical and as as so spot
on true that rabbit weinberg's
understanding of the choice between what
you want versus what you feel like
feelings rooted in desire of the moment
pulling at you very visceral
versus wants or things which are long
run which are a little more intellectual
a little more uh you know thinking about
going to med school versus the party on
saturday night that's the usually the
difference between the body and the soul
one's a little more mature one's a
little bit more impetuous right
and you have to realize you know you
think about a child a child up to the
time they're you know 6 15 16 17 18 19
is almost all the body right all the
things i talked about i want it i want
it now you know i'm gonna
you know throw a tandra if i don't get
it it's all the child it's all that you
know young child but we think that child
goes away
that child doesn't go away that child
just doesn't throw a tantrum the way it
used to get what it wants
that child never goes away because that
child is really that aspect of you which
gives you free will it's that tension
between your immature young self so to
speak as an analogy versus your more
mature aspirational godly self and just
kind of another way to look at it
right okay ladies great to see you
and uh we'll see you again next time