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10 mench for a special episode
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go VIP go Guardian
Booth construction
sites trailers VIP to go trailers
yeah luxury luxury laundry also not
laundry luxury
luy luxuri it's luxury stuff luxury
stuff so most of our trailers and most
of the people that walk into it
been in the so you get TVs or fireplaces
marble and so
on claim to
fame China toilets China customers which
person sits in his house and is like you
know what I'm I'm in debt now you know
what I'm going to do Shine the
toilets but
yeah it's already it's already amazing
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Bally term is basically
2000 2001 September 2001 in at that
men F all over the team business of yet
in 2003 20
real estate mostly in Harford
Connecticut and the reason was
Connecticut while competition in
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booming the building neighborhood I'm
dealing
with4 so the
concept the reason being
diversifying fix FP you know simple
forclosure
properties in and at that point
different states took to Texas and
Michigan is in 2007
is milon for the bank
locally non recourse loans loans person
the bank gave the business deal not the
building mention inv
OB way because it was a long-term
investment and prin actually doesn't get
you that long by the way I was in shabas
when I was very little and I saw up sh
when you were I was in was ding over
there with my father
and I was upstairs and the gab shabas
you know the person with the no no no no
no no the the The Tall Man with the with
the V he like a brown
suit I see him with a
machine and I don't see money in the
machine and I see he presses a a button
a Pap a fleet G I thought he prints
money in sh har that's how they get
their
money A Long Time amazing so someone's
like
I said why don't you buy such a machine
it's a simple investment you buy it you
get
money the
basement
mention you name it whatever you want I
mean partners and all over the
place at that
point made the manager part
at the
time want to shake my
hand the forclosures theal Servicing
basically in 2009 2010 and 11
goal focus of the goal you're gonna get
there from the business in
bu because we probably wouldn't have
been wow that's for
certain real estate sucessful so get the
question the quick
answer way how I look at it this
flushed 45 million the toilet the toilet
exactly but the point is so the the
short answer is very
simple
because millions of dollars Pi which
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say the businesses that I came across
with Concept and idea port
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a big mistake
for
years besides that
point
fin finish I did that
convinced as the nature of a
person EST I'm a nice
guying whatever but business cookie
sharp real sharp H and fired and
aggressive and so on I'm not that guy in
our business as a business in trade but
real estate is business business at the
time real estate at the time is
business business Investments and that
was probably my biggest mistake because
over the years real estate as a business
which I was doing all day
long business as a real as an investment
manag the businesses and the ,000
estate grinding a grind the reason being
is to do Investments do business real
estate real estate is absolutely not a
business estate investment it's a total
investment people could do it to make
their living but it's not a business
business is a business and as soon as
the market hit and I was wiped of real
estate the
business and I'm fighting for what is
mine and I'm going for what is needed
eventually over the years investing in
real estate in with all the companies
some years we make a lot more money in
the real estate investments in they
instrument investment from Real Estate
from the companies because we view it
for what it is business is business real
estate is an investment and the same
goes for the stock market so how does
that how does that taka influence like
you're viewing it differently so what do
you do very simple explanation very well
very very well asked so when is who
cares okay but let me give you a
scenario so let's say I need to bring on
$250,000 a year to kind of cover Man by
the way
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is
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was basically was
basically because the
right but right
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trucks we'll get to that so
can't fixing flips because that means he
basically that's what he's basically
saying right so he doesn't want to say
that so what's the decisions that he
makes when kicking off a fix flip he's
buying now
things so now he starts making bad
Investments now he start making very
shaky
investment it's not your
business
mhm other way the other way
around by the way by the way is there a
test after this this stuff you going to
give us a test what's
that so multiple choice this was a
testest
Oh you told
that
uction perect because I'll do the entire
introduction myself it's not a
problem multiple
choice3
so so 33 was actually 32 so 31 was 30
six you know that type of score he had
so that's so this reting the test back
to the other side a simple
question investment so then you're
making sound decisions it is a good
investment for me it's a bad investment
for
me
because isil right okay
so at that
point if it's a good investment you
invest if it's not a investment you
don't invest so soundly you're making
sound decisions and get the decisions
get investment and then you refinance it
and that's how you move move on so again
real estate is not a business
mentioned didn't get lucky luy not a
good
thing he had very good
Investments I'm totally fine with
it business man a great
investor totally
fine investment real
estate toal investment there's no
question about
it so eventually it worked
out VIP
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basically is a univ fresh running
water the the waste tank is contained
so's
business toilets lighting air
heat
know baby changing tables
family this is
basically
build that's the basic idea and
the concept is simple
so but traditional owners from
comption you
know the owners from the port toilet
comp mention
um class their business a white glove
class to this type of a business and the
business with purple toilets because
blue gray whatever and we want to be
unique
mention so go Nationwide purle toilet in
Florida so some location of Florida so
that's that's us as well
but presence dakot in terms of at least
yet so so
basically brand you know that type of
thing and we realized that people in in
anything people want to associate with
successful people so part of the reason
I was doing americaus in
Europe l
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notion the the the Persona is basically
a successful Persona that's why you're
wearing wearing a marav
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back so the point is z z is z simple as
people
um so the end of the day people like to
associate with successful people they
could trust a person that that that that
has a good vibe and good they branding
this this a part of The Branding so but
in type of Industry there
we're the best dressed portable toilet
guys because everybody so and the answer
is very simple I always say it toilet
business I'm in the money business
technically I make it through portable
toilets figure out the goal double it
and get it
going podast this podcast is in the
money business this makes so much money
to the viewers out there you think
you're making money to the viewers out
there do the same thing build a studio
get a podcast going now it starts making
money to competition and now we're
going sure by the way follow status just
saying
flip the so they they upscale part from
the toilets they got to the VIPs and
VIPs we got requested in multiple States
so VIP is a nationwide company and
someone in Most states of the country we
we some VIP trailers and so on so that's
that yeah I'm not gonna bore you a lot
about you
know
location viewers of
multiple
locational compan very good question
part
so the is
simple any
notely it's a very very hard business
whatever
the public speaking exactly public
speaking in in
public
speaking driver episod any bus
driver by way by the way6
by the way the inside of your car smells
like a car service or is that like a
personality
thing my best story from is on the way
from Williamsburg to you told us story
about car you scared a bunch of people
with masks no no there so I took this
Russian guy to take me from bar to mburg
soas usually the left
lane yeah
excuse me can you go to the left lane go
all the way and come to the
front elect
getting
there oh
sorry it's fine Hayden by the way last
episode or
two episodes or last I forgot which one
what post cuz whenever you say by the
way talk closer it sounds exactly the
same you do
it that's
right it's more work for
him
business so the answer is simple the
answer
is this is this is this concept goes for
everything regardless of what to do
because it doesn't get dirtier than what
I do it's that simple
up and down
so
business idea for me the effort of the
business is the easiest part because I
have that excitement it doesn't mean I'm
going to make money I have that
excitement to go so this this get the
rush the business then starts coming in
the issues and the problems but
once more okay
4 milon
4.5 the reason
being problems do business problem we're
going to discuss that in a minute if you
want to but business
chemicals toilet paper payroll sales tax
the IRS accountant
lawyer this is unrelated one to another
this is very
simple and then you start accumulating
the
S anywhere up to four
hours 20012 2003 2004 2005 the
b000 paperwork in
it was just what do you do that
so so there so the answer is very simple
in any business Father F
is okay so the
goal okay but that's not going to make
you successful because at some
point big priorities
got even it's just not going to be
interesting anymore so that's a goal
that usually is going to evaporate it's
okay the go
is company because I realize that
without being a big company it's just
not simply not going to happen because
it really doesn't happen every
day I won the lottery quite a few times
already by the way how much money the $1
one $1 one exactly I only spent $2
exactly is um so the my goal the most
important thing the M my goal and the
goal turns into be a focus so you go and
you focus to specific things
so vision and then comes then comes the
part of focus which brings the
motivation
okay to actually get needs to get done
so now you may have a goal
but play and nobody's actually
developing it because nobody had the
motivation or the goal to actually
develop it about the movies your goal
should be something that you're
motivated to
do so I'm going to ask you a
question I don't know I would talk to
let's just shoot for the for fun sake
you want to be in Furniture you want to
be in cars you want to be just shoot
something you want to be EV art you want
to be in art okay shoot anything let's
just say let's say art okay so that is
exciting yeah and based on what you're
saying so that's exciting so that should
turn in essence in to the motivation to
get to it which in essence will turn
into money if you have the plan yeah
right okay my goal is money mhm I don't
care if the instrument is Art right okay
so that's that's the opposite so that
means is I'm running running after the
big picture the big picture at the end
of the day is because unfortunately we
need money you need wealth in order to
get to wealth you need something that's
going to drive you there so then comes
back to ask yourself the question okay
so it's really not g to take me
far sages in Grand Central terminal
Grand Central terminal
by the wayas is like a like a a Stock
Exchange Place the amount of currency
that goes through that place M out and
then if you sell sandwiches over there
they're going to pay you for the
sandwiches right there so you could call
people in
from and get business through them they
give money to these people and you get
business from these people you just gave
me a great idea it's amazing next time
to have a guest M the gab from Shas yeah
if he's still Gaba I don't have like a
no hill hill was always Gaba like he
retired and then he came back he he
retired and then he came back came back
yeah I knew
it yeah maybe ever ever since they
closed for one day for Co they did oh in
the beginning one day I passed
by outside everyone the middle of the
street it was yeah it was very nice was
very nice to see so you still didn't
answer his question the question is very
simple once the
bu okay so now I'm a local guy obviously
I'm assuming that it's something that
you could take National I mean
sandwiches National but let's say the
cracks okay okay so that was a perfect
example the guy made a big mistake that
he overflowed the market it's a SE
separate thing but crack so this cracks
anywhere well customers can his toilet
could overflow Market Market so
basically is at that point focus is
focus
the bus
eventually
Focus okay so the focus of the business
was to sell the company for $100 million
okay now we realize very fast that from
this location it's not happening because
this location is going to gross five
six7 million a year5 six7 million a year
with let's say a$2 million net at best
on the 2 million at best a 10x million
but probably not even close to okay but
let's assume this so million from their
companyon
saleson something to that nature so the
focus is
basically so then you start
utilizing anywhere well
norak landscaping equipment that would
be something to
do Chicago houon Texas
California cities big cities okay so
this
basically Focus
Focus South
Florida you very
much by the way by the way
his goal was to not come and he just
didn't have
motivation no so the answer is go so
basically okay ofation so yet location
so to a million sales
vacy so then you start boiling it down
to the execution once that's done you
have to secure
money can SC
bus it's one thing that boils down to
money how much money do you have to
throw at it that's basically what it is
well
technically location is investment
straty is people you have to have the
right people
because did anybody see it then you're
just a
babysitter mention that actually execute
what you have there and if they don't
have there
office
whatever come back to
me is systems and procedures so on that
first location
experience so systems and procedures and
the systems and you turn it over to the
next location and you stick to those
systems so for example a man office
executive meeting single this is a
system that goes to every location
you
know just to fastp it
because basically is
because from the marketing line
okay I didn't walk into a
business everybody needed my product the
question
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weird because Starbucks excitement
because
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they don't call a CPE waffle it's called
um
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invested I was just
the busy but it's one of the things I
wanted to do and I'm more than happy
somebody else wants to do
it comment comment below his hand by the
way okay where's
my B idea this is idea that you could
scale doesn't take too much too much
time and you basically go out out and
you and you make it out there but this
is an idea where you need marketing
because we're going to stick to an idea
toilet say because because air
conditions p a conditions so let's say
portable air conditions the city Houston
Texas which city at least most part of
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companies a million doll from business
you know what that tells you that all
you got to do is a million each you have
a $10 million company M that's all that
it does to you so how do you take away a
million dollars from each of them some
of these companies are tired some of
these companies probably have bad
customer service some of these companies
are just not competing well on Google
some there's a million ways how to get
done the same motivation when they
started also it's like but now they're
tired already they're 15 years old they
extremely talented
people so again s s policies and
procedures
because I know exactly what I need to be
looking for for the next location get so
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back to the original thing so same
companies was Million business combined
so all you got to do is and it's very
easy it's a very clear dot on the map
follow these 10 see what they do see
what they don't do one of the main
things that we do is we would usually go
on to Google and check the other
person's reviews and not so much for the
good reviews which was great you want to
see the badw
what the website is complicated H
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company in the United States of America
that has portable toilets you can book
it online you can go on my website right
now you can get a quote and you can book
it online nobody has it free quote safe
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a free quote yeah
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it's a it's a it has an algorithm and a
calculates where you want it by putting
in the addes and the timing and you pop
it out there
so we want to kill
time outdoor wedding
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quote
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because I'm actually one of the only
companies in this in in this world of
events but the only one in the portable
toilet world I'm the only one that's
going to pop out a quote 30 seconds
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the process is simple so basically once
like portable toilet C
customers categor
customers Construction contract
Department buing the the building
whatever
whatever the department dictate mention
per
unit 40 hour week
second gets cleaned on location cleaned
on location on location meaning the
permit helpet the permit that we hold
from New York State and Jersey and
different places different states and
whatever allows us to carry waste
in
servation so in general
comp snitch is just half as good as us
the company was theit basically in
general this is a lifetime client
because it is the bus to
building and once the
construction the yard the yard do yard
managers M yard Fleet managers whatever
top to bottom see the lockers get the
toilet paper
holders at some
point
whatever the rown ones separ
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floor couldn't finish EV
so you pay per day these people pay per
mon per month per month if you can't
have it for a month let's say for a
simp minimum time Min this is I was for
some reason I was thinking of something
else like people just need up portable
toilet on a location so you
sell VIP
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some the questions meeting so at
so um and then the
department and purple fully wrapped and
again it's got me the concept the idea
the
concept equipment inors and customers
this is you get used to it or it's it's
so the simple
chemical so the simple answer to that
question
is they smoke
obviously is
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contained once the vacuum is within a
few
seconds very very good
answer so
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events is the Pakistani Day
Parade Madison whatever I like the this
they like the Jews so so is a customer
forever and ever and ever they love the
purple they love the pur don't bring me
no
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voicemail he taking the Spanish over
there why they taking away everything
over there
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there's a haian day parade there's a
Mexican Day Parade there's a Puerto
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different parades so Spain doesn't have
a parade they maybe have but maybe a
small things sh units anyway
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is back
from like every every every uh like
Ukrainian it came like as a package look
inside the boots
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everything
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trail
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website we do
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down guys I mean you know
and um you know Lake would I put on the
board whatever and they came to meet to
figure out they couple they couple h
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hand like wow
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company as all the emails for example
info to go info VIP to go and so
on so obviously that has been
changed I still
kept so in general inbox was emails from
the office email
quote request 24 hour 24 hour chat
agents of the
website combine 20 30 hours of a
week Tuesday morning meeting I'll ask
it so I'm very much at top of that and
the concept is very simple
soice the first thing is business your
goal has to be to retain % cers
because % customers the customer
service for customer service customer
service and usually mention some pleas
so mention and customer service
so for example Google Google SEO
whatever of the weekend don't ignore
that email unfortunately as of right now
we only service so and so city in North
Dakota for rentals that are six months
and longer and that's it and you have no
idea how many replies come back I really
appreciate your quick reply that's
customer service customer service
doesn't mean you're giving the guy what
he wants because if you can't give it
you can't give it and the second thing
was is basically we are a yes company
okay so yes company goes across the
board John to go VIP they go Guardian
Booth they know tenants and in in in the
real estate market we're a yes company
so I would try to say yes to your
request as much as I
canid say a weird
request
delivered single for a period for 90
days in the city okay that's truck carry
50 g because for the portable toilet
that's not 20,000 gallons or so on
so I said yes and I gave him a price Sur
gave that in this 90 days I actually
covered paid out my trucks that I had to
buy wow and they paid for it so have
that yes attitude because you will be
shocked if what people are willing to
pay you
manman sign you're losing business can
they sign business they sign they sign
Master no
fish
fish hello fish
follow the
smell I had a client of mine that once
told me you have to offer a certain
service I'm a graphic designer right he
said you have to offer a certain service
I said my clients don't need it he says
so what offer that service you client
you you'll get clients that need
it your clients don't need it you don't
know who your
goodis
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it it's a tra
no point for simp in the
money
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Ware di menion on 24hour shift they
needed a restroom trailers the company
own restroom trailers as part of of to
go and the guy asked
me f in the restroom trailers with daily
service and so on and so forth for
Sacramento California Swani Georgia um
um Memphis Tennessee you know all these
places
which know that Tye thing I said yes
absolutely we got it
done
but and that's what put VIP to go on the
map wow so this is do this is the
reason sucess because said yes on
everything absolutely attitude wow
charge for it I'm not saying
that I have to
go second we got to go the rest I guess
you can do without we can't we can't
okay so let's get to a subject and let's
do this
so the rich invest
in personal
connection because person
whatever certain values because it's our
personal
connection
um right
anyway
value connected
right is basically a market up down
certain
is at
least this is probably the reason
because because you have the connection
to the product
and which happens
sometimes
right crypto crypto
saying what he's saying is that since
it's based off hype it's based off a
personal Z it's not real then it's
technically the same well how is it
different okay so I'm going to touch
crypto which is the but just for m a
second I have money in crypto but you
can only invest money in crypto that
you're willing to lose right I'm sorry
let me rephrase this nobody wants to
lose anything you could only invest
money in crypto so the GU in Six Flags
you pay $80 you go to a casino you say
okay I'm going to gamble $500 on
Blackjack that's it if you're controlled
person the same thing you can do with
crypto yes chances are we're can make
money chances are it's going to go down
because at the end of the day it's very
hard to explain it and the third problem
is that crypto is mish the opposite of
what you were saying in terms of
antiques That Antiques you can't produce
another slum but you could but crypto
keeps on producing a
you're just hoping that they
need but Bitcoin has not 21 million
that's the total antiques there's only
one okay
so mention invest in antiqu it's not
called an
investment so rich people invest in
antiques it's not called investment rich
people buy antiques it's not a business
it's not an investment it's not
investment it's rich people buy antiques
it's not an expense either and I'll tell
you why it's rich people buy antiques is
a little bit because of the obviously
because they like it
because you know alens or the watches or
the whatever and so on okay so but we'll
get to that in a second the greedy way
of saying it is because rich people like
what you can't get or rich people like
to buy what you don't
have
important people will always come to him
okay so so that's the greedy answer to
it of why people buy it the reason why I
buy antiques I love antiques I I love
the rush I love the having
it whatever the case is I don't sit and
draw
it okay I usually in I usually spend
money on two things either something
that makes me comfortable
my car a new phone okay that makes me
comfortable a a first class seat in in
in in in a plane or something is going
to make me money MH antiques in what I
buy makes you money not that I'm going
to sell it but in an apprais value it's
money so I'm going to give you a story
and it's real fast and I'm so in 2007
when the market went haywire I always I
I already had antiques at that point
I don't remember okay that I bought for
$10,000
of okay and the guy that I bought it
from
so so they will sometimes give you on on
on B you know okay so you're making
payments you're making five payments
three payments whatever the case is and
I I may have paid the guy half of so
let's say I bought for $50,000 I may
have PID him 25 Maybe he came back after
6 months he bought it back from me for
10 for $20,000 a pop wow each 20,000
each so I I in total I paid 50 I bought
it back for 100 I had a tillum I had a
slita tillum that I bought I think for
seven that somebody else he bought back
for me for 14 wow and this was the
months that I owned it and so on so at
the end of the day it's valued money but
the problem is that one of the in one of
the few Investments that's why it's not
an investment where you have to spend
100% of the investment and you're not
and you don't have the chance to recover
any of the dollars unless you're going
to sell it is on because if you business
and
invest
okay milon so you actually get that
money back and you actually build it up
that way building for a million dollar
and
the your investment is on a million
dollars but it only cost you $300,000
out of pocket understood the only thing
where you're actually putting out a
packet
100% signature in the front and in the
back
and the back from
back there's no way in the world it's
not worth 6 half or $7,000 or a lot more
than that
okay so they isain
okay because
whatever
okay if I want to go sell it I could
sell it for
$20,000 so
this doc
documents authenticated
a pipe a pip a pipe they
pipe for
$50,000 but to do documentations do an
do proofs
at the end of the
day right but certain
products I'll do it tomorrow I'll do it
tomorrow what do you mean
sh right
exactly it doesn't show
on but also you
know but all right also you know it's
the whatever the signed it let's say
right if the B's back had a signature
inside the back might be a different
St okay wow okay
no point the concept is very simple
because nobody need it it's big bulky
never came to be
basally but again the purpose
from so and so person is
because only gets worth more
wow okay
anyway put it in his
head so now it's in his head he's buying
it so
but I think we definitely need a part
two because we didn't get through
everything that we need to get through
half of it we didn't get through but
it's a very very interesting stuff so
yeah thank you so much you're a very
interesting person
in
as
ENT and it's very
and yeah hopefully we'll see you back
soon thank you very much the
ru be positive be be firm be strong but
also be very
nice sucessful buses
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done knowledable research right
away wow until I get around to do
it so but until I don't to me there's
only two ways out of there there stuff
that are alive and stuff that are dead
it goes with customers and goes with
everything I this you're either dead to
me or Alive to me I'm sorry so the point
is crypto it's either death research