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Latest Talks Podcast - Ep #26 | Topics: How To Build Your Brand - Strategy - Becoming A Designer.
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to the throne from bookcreativity
is some some kind of passion.
Is it better
agency
freelancer
creative director
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roller coaster experience?
Okay.
Oh,
by the way, you practice that.
Okay. So,
Exactly.
Okay.
The episode.
Fine.
Back and forth.
had rumors.
He he started with a small.
So we thought about it for a long time.
the lines to the top.
My next steps.
Okay.
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design.
Hello
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So
one of the first ones when I started I
would say it was
that's when the music went down the
drain
And
so he came to me and
I don't remember how it looks.
Oh, the choir.
So,
why
it's off?
It went off the charts. It's off the
charts
anymore. did a single but that he didn't
uh didn't
that was one of my first projects in
terms of communicating with a client
but
by the way I didn't know that okay so
in the last few year I would say the
last four years
okay so
passion is music or art
I'm passion to the designs
Photoshop
Photoshop 7.0
Uh system creative cloud is 2022.
this logo
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in terms
of mention in London. Yeah. Yeah. Right.
um
computer.
My parents, everyone was very um
supportive of it.
Music
pet in the back. pets.
A farm in the background.
Okay.
science
systems
published
system.
the creative director for magazine
was very nice also just to see the
environment our work environment
experiences in our work environment
it was very nice
Okay.
In terms of design
in the music
logos, man,
the logo versions variations is
adaptable. So profile
version
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GCN.
So
art director art director/designer
which is basically
coming up with strategies, concepts,
ideas,
marketing websites.
Um
involves the actual production which is
actually sitting by computer working in
the programs coming up with
do the execution actually exporting the
files, the sizes and the details, the
boring
teams.
[Music]
What's printex?
Printex is this over the for episode.
I think it used to be called printex,
right? Is it print something
right
in like what they execute and how they
work. But they definitely have a good
team there.
similar
directors in the team in a certain way.
It's very similar things in terms of the
execution
team.
Okay.
And how we do it and that's that's
business
and by the way is fully focused
and
like oh I used to be I used to be a lot
more involved in terms of
very simple
and and you get stuff done. I try to get
work done.
as well.
So
industry music
is some some kind of passion was was
that flows through
and I I get to express that creativity
and it was it was a very um um
passionate project
wasn't about money. It was something
that it's not a brand. We're not making
money on this like
but something that I can express myself
in terms of showing a little bit of
creativity
business
and presenting a certain design or
whatever it is
unlimited by their project something
special
the in the boat.
We have the back pedals. The back
pedals.
The worst logo.
special effects
glass a stained glass effecture
with you. That was my first thing.
Yeah.
That is the edit.
What kind of vision
was very very focused on the best
project like we didn't we didn't take
the time
change the timing
is just beautiful.
the town was behind him
because it's one of a kind.
So
it's just endless.
Yeah.
Did you represent yourself? Did you Did
you get to this place where you are now?
So
design and the marketing advertis
like I can say there's out there amazing
people
in terms of
which which is challenging sometimes but
it works.
Yeah. So
in terms of mention alliance mention
companies alliance whatever
they saw me and noticed me because of it
was my personal website
and
people saw my work
portfol
So
it's a beautiful project.
Thank you. So this is
in terms of
brands
word of mouth
I did the work. I actually went and did
the work.
Finally
this
customer you're ready to show to him
sometimes is
usually
um
it comes down to
a separate conversation completely
right you don't start designing there's
a reason for what you do so
because it's so simple and powerful you
think
That's the idea.
So the idea
is memorable, timeless or whatever.
But the idea is
by the way
I would say 25 years ago.
It was very interesting.
It's it's a very it's a very creative
thing.
16th Avenue.
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15th Avenue. 15th Avenue. 15th Avenue.
Okay.
question.
Sure, no problem.
Presentation
scrap the project.
Okay.
And you know the notes
foreign
color
blue instead
and it was beautiful. But
sort of design,
but yet
amazing their brand is, you know, is the
best direction.
is the the information
for me when I take I ask questions.
So the question
that's what I work off, right? So if if
you give me something wrong or you
change something later that's fine. Say
something that
business doesn't even know
a brand foundation
for the company.
They said the foundation for our
business right. So
brand values.
This is the fundamentals for our
business, right?
just for my business
just for himself.
So what's the process
execution?
The process is um
what I do is usually I try to
possible
the client which is
my business
similar
special.
Special, right? So everyone is special
and you have to define that specialty in
unique selling points in positioning
the target
research and discovery
marketing which is completely separate
from branding
slight business. Um but if you have the
brand foundation
right
under the market
WhatsApp status
the problem is their stores in villion
it's not going to work it's not going to
bring in the business he needs. He can
do it.
But it's it's something that always
connects back to if you know who you're
talking to.
And visually visually
if you have to connect this market to
this market.
So this is part of the process
and discovery
partic
how you going to start bringing around
all the pieces and elements in the brand
the company is not successful whatever
they want. A lot of businesses have
different um um different ways of
looking at the outcome.
for the next 10 years.
So your answer is
but also comes back to the same thing
because
market
everything is very clear. It's out there
is some of the positioning and some of
the business company and he's not part
of it.
Okay. So basically the name of the
information and the boat of
the boat of the communication the the
visual part which is the design
It's not this guy. You're telling it to
face.
Yeah.
Certain
building a brand is a very big
investment.
I set them up.
Exactly.
You didn't have any of my previous
clients.
There's X amount of stuff that you need
to do.
That's my onboarding team
or whatever it is
like services
but if he doesn't have the best support
from the back end foundational
it's not going to work. There's no
reason for him to do it
in terms of sales. in terms of sales or
product or whatever it is.
from the design.
Not just that, there's probably going to
be blanks
of the brand book.
It's empty questions that exactly. And
that's a missing puzzle from the P.
Something is missing in the puzzle.
If if the business takes off, I'll be
very happy to talk to you in a few
months and see where it is.
Whatever. And
He was ready, whatever it is,
whatever it is you would need to do to
start building the business. Um,
we're not doing that.
Wow.
It's It's no people want to invest and
people want to build good products. It's
not it's not even about the money.
And it's not just about the product
itself. It's how you're going to market
it later. having the back office.
So they shine a beautiful product know
the bone in the technology part
the business
to get started
a broad question in terms of get getting
started
right. So to start off I would say
you bounce ideas off each other.
mostly brands at the websites.
Exactly. Never heard that word. Yeah.
This is position also positioning
this is most design
huge
it's a huge it's a huge undertaking
that's a team that's agency right
mention someone to me and I quoted them
whatever and they didn't want to take me
because they would they they told me but
I like how can you execute everything of
them
so it's not wasn't about the money
certain
right so
for me myself
which is it's a very it's a very in the
brand align elements and pieces So it's
a very very huge thing but to do the
website partocuson
3D right to do the renderings
in the program
right is the the illustration or the art
piece that you're getting out of it.
Shout out to 3D
logo animation.
I sent him to you.
Correct.
The face behind that phone call.
Not a light bulb moment. Wow.
[Music]
I couldn't take the project and
wow
just as a shout out for 3D
animation was
it's gorgeous.
So, and that's why
especially for designers
that's that's what's going to build you
as a better designer to be able to focus
on it.
refining the craft,
right? So in design,
the the the fonts, the the kto, the the
texture,
inspiration
for design,
inspiration could come from anywhere.
Whatever ideas can
just changing the environment, changing
the scenery in front of you is going to
is going to help someone to become
inspired more.
[Music]
Exactly.
like why are you doing what you're
doing?
Like why? What's the story behind this?
the foundation for them. Apart from them
questions
that's the place that's question
sometimes
focus
of them
and it happens and it's normal part
everything
is says everything is good the client
loves everything we did the n the logo
the designs
the trade company similar to the
industry
which is it's a very it's it's
exhausting but it's part of that that
obviously it's it's it depends on the
project
roller coaster experience
and it's part of the process it's part
of it
sometimes
connected to customers
al together
the best designer. So what I did was in
terms of I went level by level which it
comes down to
networking
like the balance
whatever
um
because it's going to give you the
experience of a team working with an
environment in a professional
environment mentioned Especially
with mention in business
and communication in business.
Exactly.
So when designer usually I try to say to
go to a company
level designer
of a simple task task based work
the manager You get them
director director
details
but task
project and I deliver this manage
exact instructions
instruction I followed instructions
detail from the actual design
questions
you're building yourself up in terms of
you know how to do the the the basics or
proportions and margins
which is a very big deal and and and
this is part of honing the craft and
knowing and refinement and details
the details and the actual messaging and
communication
the outcome. Right? So,
whatever.
The next level
something is not working.
because you're going to start
communicating.
Right? So if you're doing something, you
can have the help of of a junior
designer to help you in terms of the
production finess or whatever it is. And
you teach them more in terms of the
refinement in the design, the details.
What's the business trying to
accomplish? Why are we advertising
in terms of beautiful China artwork
China design
XYZ was a business team. So
align on the vision from the company in
the design execution was met in the
production can the next level. So our
direction in in creative direction
the customer and the client business
can communicate and back to the design
team
where would you put yourself
director recently
last last few years. So says
titles whatever titles is title it's
like it's not about the title
it's it's the title in the company
alliance as they mention
was on top of you have to report to them
right so
and report
so a certain hierarchy in the company
was automatically gave him that sense
the hierarchy titles.
It doesn't matter so much.
It's it's
part of
the top designer director.
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Um, so a lot of my work is is mostly
the actual
strategy
actually design
chosen The colors, the actual output,
the file, the presentations for the
client, the client to communicate
Um, that's usually my dayto-day
between between programs and Google
design programs
and that's why
it's not the project that I think you
started. I mean
co logo challenge.
Exactly. Enlighten us.
Everyone remembers that that time was a
very very um
world was shut down.
Shut down like
right.
Dance man with dance in the number one
side.
Wow.
[Applause]
[Laughter]
Especially in the design and design team
environment which is collaborative.
full days in the full days.
So
connect.
So the ide
connect us to co somehow. So
[Music]
mango
mango flavor
change the logo the actual design.
This is the Adobe
logo
from the design program. So there's the
logo for Adobe at homestead
home sweet home creative suite
like change. So basically like
you came up with that idea.
community
and it was just amazing to see.
[Music]
It was very
I don't
I don't know of this.
It was a rough time a rough time. At
least it was a rough time to entertain
ourselves.
So it's it the first question usually is
not about money
and I try to understand a little bit
about the brand a little bit of what
he's trying to build
whatever it is I know specialize in
passionate about it to help someone
build his brand.
If he has money to invest, if he doesn't
have money, if he doesn't have, maybe
I'm not the person, right? if he doesn't
have them enough or he wants to go
mention home investors. Um but
definitely pricing pricing is a very
very tough subject when it came to
design.
companies
a quick poster whatever it is and this
is the market and experience behind you
to be able to to get there and
businesses want that. Businesses want to
get people from from cheaper designs
from people, right? So they don't want
to spend crazy amounts of money on stuff
which is it's a very good way for a new
designer to come in to charge less and
then as you go along you charge more. So
the value
from the ads
they told me they because of the ads
they got 30% more in sales. That means
the value gave them
because they
charged whatever it was and title
whatever it was.
It's the value a designer brings to a
project is automatically going to to
higher your value in terms of charge.
Okay.
Right. So
maybe you two would do
Yeah.
So it's it's
a business owner.
I'm just trying to find the words. Is it
better
agency?
So, so there's definitely a certain
prestige
professional product because he also you
mentioned it. It's about having that
team behind you that believes in your
product and builds your product and
builds your brand team any
freelancer with even if he has a name or
doesn't have a name it doesn't matter so
much but when you have that team behind
you the product
of value so the brand is
so if people look at it like oh GC
is automatically mentioned on a certain
field oh it is a an authority
Another interesting question
was
company. It's the highest
Poland spring established 1824 natural
spring water.
You try to convince them
like to restart the name. What do you do
about that?
So in terms of the name itself, a lot of
times come business rich history
behind the name. Usually
Y, right?
This is GCNY.
Get crazy New York.
There you go.
Get crazy New York. Really?
There you go.
But nobody knows.
Nobody knows.
I guess you'll never know
before blue dots.
So, so whom different types of nom.
Usually it really comes down back to the
research which is the discovery from the
brand the foundation from the brand
and and who we are talking to doesn't
matter right
sometimes a brand
if it's a rich rich history if the it's
very specific to each situation right so
if it's a rich thing behind it got me
It depends if if the target audience
needs it, right? If the target audience
completely different, which it really
depends on the challenge.
So that's that's the real like behind
it.
quality
the basic name and the
me people choose names and and it
doesn't do what they needed to do
because mentioned like the next flooring
lighting in whatever
Chinese clean number one lucky Chinese
America first
get so usually
star Hey,
and there's still no reason why they
shouldn't change it. But this is what
the client wants. I'm not going to
challenge him. I'm not going to do it.
Something is wrong.
If the customer doesn't want it
something
he can present situations,
but if he's not going for it, you can't
change his mind. Sometimes it just
doesn't work.
So what's the difference
graphic design and art?
So this is a gross conversation in terms
of it definitely works together but it's
very very different in terms of
how you look at it art's
art is is is
what comes to mind when you look you
think about art
a painting
modern art
modern Art
music is art
100%.
So art art is is an expression. It's
something that
expression
it's an expression. Art is any any art
form is an expression of something
and you can you can you can take it out
you can look at it and take something
completely different was the creator.
[Music]
You know what art stands for?
a random thing.
Yeah.
There you go. So this art is an
expression.
[Music]
So
design and art is art is an expression
of things and design in terms of
expression. So apart from the brand the
mabota brand is the foundation and do
the expression the brand the brand
is an expression from something from the
brand now
brand shape and define the brand so
it's it's there's a purpose behind the
design it's not just an expression of
something random or whatever
the the
purpose is they design.
So it comes back full circle since the
foundation
the expression was specific message
[Music]
a beautiful artwork right so
expression art but purpose which means
that there's an expression behind it
exactly so exhibition design and art and
obviously it meets it interrelaces in
each other interconnect
That's when the product comes out.
Beautiful.
This is Yeah.
specific rules in design.
This is the rules or the design is art
means
whatever the art
is art a random thing.
So the rule is
the rule is there rules basically in
terms the actual outcome but obviously
do trends followed mentions
sometimes you want to change it you want
to
sometimes you don't want to do it
because you want to be traditional so
the balance
of the scales
1 to 10.
[Music]
There's a lot of different personality.
So
tone of voice.
Tone of voice.
You have reached.
I didn't reach.
You have reached.
Yeah. So, this is the Kikna doctor's
office in a play group.
phone system.
[Music]
You've reached this play group in a
lawyer's office you've reached lawyer
whatever.
So following the rules is there's
obviously the brand
rules brand which is a brand guide but
followed certain details into the design
system
but it's essentially the same thing.
It's it's it's it puts you in a box of
of this is the brand and this is what
we're doing in terms of the color the f
connecting with each other
it's all match
the consistency between us is very very
important so that's basically the rule
but sometimes you break the rules if you
needed to add a color sometimes you're
going to add that color
Those two brands
for example brand is round and the max
pads for example the pads makes square
but the brand is round
it really depends on the platform
but this is definitely something was
design
But canvas do certain elements and
pieces of the brand
screen
the the texture creates the the color
detail
right um
the process I'm actually in the
production is very messy sometimes for
myself in terms of the creativity.
I imagine he he feels it.
my heart. You guys are nuts. That's
good.
[Music]
But when you make it work, it's such a
good feeling.
It's the light bulb moment.
That's what it's like.
push it in to push boundaries. Basic
creativity
in a certain sense they connect
longterm for the brand in terms of long
termat.
So you start automatically
the website you start trying to connect
the dots and that's how you start
building the in terms of the brand
that's a brand identity. So usually
elements
and that's what's automatically going to
create that system.
Wow. Beautiful.
far
the audience
the next host the next guest on the
show.
[Music]
So I think we should go to the audience
questions that we had
and
why not?
Yeah,
I think I think names are a very good
thing.
So
and this is quick answers.
I would not consider myself an artist
now, but it definitely has that art,
right? So, it's creative expression,
which is
arty and you can draw a lot nicer than
me, I think. I've seen your art pieces.
It's beautiful competition one day. I
don't think so.
Okay.
Very interesting. So, when should I do
then? It's the Photoshop Illustrator in
design. Um when it's the vector
basically pixel
technical question
it's a very important question because
I've seen it a lot
where people use the wrong program
the wrong platform the wrong program the
product the outcome is in the wrong
plots. So when I logo on Photoshop and
it's pixelated, it doesn't work. You
have to translate to vector
from the customer.
So vector pixelated.
So, so a quick overview. Photoshop is
more for pixels and in in and
photography editing, manipulation of
photos. It's a change in a picture
Photoshop. Text and logos in in in in
illustrations and icons usually is an
illustrator because it's it's a vector
file and program which you can scale how
big you want. So that's usually what
happens there. In design is mea layout.
in
magazines
which is a platform was specialized in
the text
the background, the visual of Photoshop
and bring the text and the logo and
information
level
XD
digital platform. for websites, apps and
websites
print
which is photography manipulation.
This is certain program
and apps and and websites.
How do you choose the color for the
brand?
So foundation research and discovery
it's a brand feel from the expression
from the brand the visual expression
is part from the color color is a very
big color philosophy which
color philosophy school
of color philosophy
but colors correlate each with each
other blue yellow orange and purple do
lilac and Purple colors are endless
colors
production
actual materials right acrylic materials
material plastics and the color is part
universal code which you have to follow
and match up these colors
consistency.
The kick of the crayons
brighter package
certain shade.
This is purple
color.
Blue. So that's that's the thing. So the
print the problem
for the other colors
blue
blue Google
research of 41 shades of blue
testing says AB testing whatever it is
different colors for different mention
color.
So 41 colors almost$500 million
something of them
shade got convert.
The problem is
color blind
graphic design whatever
posters boxes.
It was disgusting.
Washed out. RGB and CMYK. So, a digital
color.
Red.
Okay.
CMYK is for the
scion.
Cyan. Yeah.
Magenta.
Mhm.
C Yellow. And
K is the tricky one.
Is no
black. Black.
Black. Yeah. But is the K?
Black.
Black. Black. Exactly. The end for the
black.
It's not It's not true. It's black.
100% black.
Hello. to do the darkest. The dark probe
shadowing
the reflection
the reflection light
the reflection.
color mirror. A
mirror.
The thumbnail for today episode in color
and beige.
Call me for more graphic design.
Sometimes brands
change
color. So people exactly
emotion
certain certain brands excitement
changed the construction
yellow and orange made an exciting
color. So the colors certain
translation.
So sometimes
of the product certain colors matching
the color. So automatically
matching. So the next question is how
often do you take breaks? So,
so I try to stand up every two hours
just for my desk to stretch a little
nerve.
So, it's very challenging. I'm going for
physical therapy.
But it's I definitely try to take as
much as breaks as I can because
it's a food the zone it's a food it's a
creative food
sometimes. So definitely definitely I
try to take every two hours a break as
much as possible.
Yeah. Very nice. So Frank from the the
rabbis question kick off page three
guidance consultant
design.
Okay.
Finished.
So
taste,
but it comes down to if it's going to be
functional, then it doesn't matter. the
ugliest design possible, but if if it's
going to work for you and that's what
you your brand needs in terms of
longterm and short term or whatever it
is and short term
sometimes
sales right
especially when we establish a brand as
a high-end product. So if you make a
sale ad and you make it different ugly
refinement and it works for the for the
outcome of the next week.
So it's
upgrade
center right
certain style certain feel
[Music]
shifted the market but
a brand over the years doesn't matter
was the reain
type of icons
brand but
Right. So this team trends I think
trends is something that is it's a very
big topic.
So you don't lose the old
certain style
brand
look
upgrade so much in terms of change. It
just you want to have that fresh new
feel if you're talking to that audience.
Sometimes you're talking to the old
people audience whatever it is
style. So it doesn't matter so much the
design of it. department medical center.
In closing, we're getting to that point
already.
Get a message for the listeners,
an inspirational message.
Okay.
Something that you want them to take
away from this. Not only people that are
looking to be in the design field,
anyone,
artists, anyone, you as somebody who is
is in business and is a a successful
businessman,
give a message and please look into the
camera, talk to your audience. Um
is that important?
Is
certain
part
obviously to be up to date
and marketing current but
That's why I came up here
and that's why I'm here. Um, and
I try to learn new things as much as I
can. And I feel that that's something
which if you live like that you're going
to be much more successful overall.
Thank you very much.
That was beautiful.
Beautiful.
Thank you.
enjoy
them episode.
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supporting the podcast.
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