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Latest Talks Podcast - Ep #15 | Topics: Shulem Bayis - Cults - Chinuch.
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wedding but
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to come back to in the back of your
mind England in
1975 convention
the chief Rabbi then Chief Rabbi
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chabbi my father we talk
my father
was he was a very very entertaining
speaker he was on the radio
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so he says
we have to make
it to mention
in compromise
compromise in Europe
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thing and
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35 years ago I wrote when when
when the gold with all sudden one day
they walk up and you know the the gold
and silver I realize my my my my jewelry
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article
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the we we live
in
Manhattan two youngest boys my Y and my
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Manhattan most
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in
kindergarten we lived three blocks away
from the
school of picking
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hospital he's there over 25 years
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my child
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few days
ago a
teenager little bit
and my and M care about me that's what
all I want to know that's all I want to
hear they care about me and the job of
parenting is not that
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sometimes the only the only attention
that I can get the only closeness I can
get
is that's
right okay so you're right but think
about the difference of the power you
know longlasting
power 30 something years
the kid has to
know that is why he's hitting
you the that do the same thing but
they're clearly nervous they're clearly
angry
I made the decision to give you that
patch two days ago
and you know but but
I heard a lecture from
some real
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children looked
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and his 16-year-old daughter gave him an
envelope
sealed and told him do me a
fav he tells me I'm leaving tonight have
the envelope in my pocket should I open
the envelope and see what's written
inside or shouldn't
I so I'll answer you
tomorrow hey
did couldn't sleep I didn't know what to
answer the other morning I decided I'm
going to give him an answer what I would
do I said you can do whatever you want
but
I told him as follows I said I wouldn't
open the the envelope the reason
is you might be pleasantly surprised
what's written in that envelope
you might be
hurt the
next her
look in your
eyes you want to lose your daughter open
that
envelope so I'm gonna I'm gonna say what
you say
then
all then the rules
change that have permission to look at
it that's not
understand there's no right for the
other person to see what's written in
that yeah there's no right for another
one second you didn't answer my
question do you feel that there is a
lack of love in our community I think we
uh had a fascinating story Aina story
from a woman in
Williamsburg she also taught me a lesson
in life that was
unbelievable 9 years old
isite there was something with the in
the school something
happened and then she found out the
story and she came to me I should work
with her her
son I said
did you get your kid to tell the
story I used to then
say
and and night after night after two
weeks the kid said
and I I almost I don't know if what word
to say I envy this woman of her her
intuition that he
had a mother the love and the devotion
for this mother that CH for the
kid it gives when SCH when you see
mothers and fathers are so
stupid you feel this
hope locally went off told my son as
follows I said no matter what you're
going to do in yes if you're going to be
a good boy or you're going to be a bad
boy I'm still going to love you because
you're my
son I'm asking you to please go to
Yeshiva bring me so there is
a reason why I love
you I'm going to love you
regardless by the way we went through
this in a different uh in a different
episode by the way the whole story of
his son we should talk
afterwards episode no it
wasn't wow okay so this time also it'll
be after an episode you tell them the
whole story I wanted to know you you're
a crisis counselor you said you very
interesting kind of topics that you go
through kind of different situations the
family A Fire you know anything else is
anything very very interesting that you
can tell
us first of all you
know you know
don't worry
about how do you
become that wasn't an episode
you know and
that you have to love your clients
mention so um every case is different
every case is
unique um
let's say runs away from the community
somebody goes extreme joint a cult or
something would you take care of that
kind of
cases and
this is it's not an easy answer to
say does
mention you know and you
know
now you know
to the to to the position or to the
person and um that's one of the
differentiations you
know you know
yeah and he can be on you know on e
parkway or or on Lee Avenue or on 13th
Avenue
Dimension there's a problem because
that's one of the a cult uses that as a
tactic
isolation what we call from the family
of
origin feel
I wouldn't let him finish I would walk
out right right but they don't start off
with that line
and
um I recently as as
recently got call from from how do you
say
overseas to
he didn't call us
he anyways
um I'll tell the story so but I gave him
some advice of how they can get the kid
to go
home
and the Taxi
Driver Taxi cap tax driver
to the destination to the destination go
to
airport you know I saw that I I
connected boom boom you
know the in
when he got on the plane the I called
the
father an overseas
callone very soon gave the telephone
and and he was he was able to then
confront him with
information so I had very very tight
information
facts well
you know I can I can make one person
upset you know two people
upet you
know yeah yeah the wallet here's your
wallet back thank for the donation
um again I go back to
computers the computers the telephones
is there something that there is what to
do about it what what's your message to
the listeners what's your message to the
that are watching this episode what's
the message to the parents that are
watching the
show towards their kids and psych prove
over and
over that positive reinforcement is a
way to
go y I'm old up I'm
old but it's when there's
danger and again and again and the
answer is is the problem getting bigger
the problem is getting bigger first of
all the
numbers you know Hitler yeah me
me and and almost touching each other
konit with M
Williamsburg and yeah if you're watching
the show yeah yeah and and on the on we
need to we need
to so much the kids need so
much we have to tell our children that
they're important to us we have to
tell tell me what does your shabas table
look
like we
kick problem
and many many years ago probably close
to 40 years ago someone told me
this
is this
is and of the K fil as you know
turn around to your child give your
child a little bit of
love I always observe I always watch
fathers and mothers how they're going to
deal you
know does he introduce each one of them
you know keep that on to
your sixy old your NY old your 12y old
is
and you ignored them and they ignored
them
by the way I'm not I'm
not picking on anybody although I like
to do that and I'm not knocking anybody
Al my point is my point is something
else you ask them what a solution
there's easy solutions there's easy
solutions about 15 years ago I wrote The
Following article and from all the
articles I got I got trem they printed
in the Jewish press a lot lot a number
of Jewish places I got tremendous
feedback from this
article I said it was an article
to teachers
theim
know what we call still primary school
the high school s in the in the in
inside inside by by by
by write something nice about yourself
and then they feel I'm not being judged
because you had my brother last
year
because we had had a fight with him gave
him
to you put me in the back seat in fact
no so the kid comes into the office Kass
and says I have a I have a possibility
and then the to the m day I read it oh
you know you told me S you
know it gives the child and then you're
halfway there you're halfway there you
know we don't send them for for for
knowledge knowledge you know no we teach
them about
life how to get along with other people
these are the important things in in
life and this is what we teach them in
school back to the question the question
was the H does technology blab do and
part of it and we have to take care as
much as we can or Facebook Instagram and
WhatsApp on down for a long time anyway
so
um and we'll be
back it's just going to come something
else that's going to top
that listen as as have to say we got to
use
technology but as a parent I say we have
to limit technology control
technology
um again I I I was not not so inclined
but my children to their children they
they my my kids who know how to use
computers they're a lot more careful
with their children they know how to
watch technology understand the the
boundaries how far it
goes and unfortunately I don't know if
those
boundaries that's also an understanding
you have to
understand always a work but again but
again another question um um you want
usually
basically
because have so many stuff to say
afterwards that I don't think I should
talk about over here yeah
but
because whatever and by the
way I'm marrying off my son my third
child on
Sunday let me tell you now you talk
about
marriage and I'm saying it in I'm going
to question form
but s in theel gra psychologist has that
80% of questions are really
suggestions are we preparing our sons
and daughters
are we preparing them right are we
comparing
them how to
interact I've done I've been doing this
for the past 21 years by the way by
showing him okay by showing him you know
how you respect your spouse so sometimes
I
of uh of Shalom Bas but I start off and
say like this the investment
in of school of college
of oh we get no formal learning no
formal learning into the greatest
investment that we're
making mention
to me it it sounds pretty
stupid I think I'm been I've been
outspoken in my community that we
waiting too long that's one of the
problems why we have so many singals
today we have to marry them off younger
we won't talk to the to our friend there
I we MH mosh a question so you have to
introduce me every time every single
time I ask a question so I want to know
once let's say you get someone out of a
cult you take someone and and they leave
what now where do they go they have to
start over something okay it's a
fascinating question why you ask and
generally speaking
um if a young man or young woman is
under somebody's spell
when you talk about cult my no this
is It's a manipulation manipulation
because how do you think because you can
get them to do things that are against
their own nature you can get them to
harm their father or harm their mother
or harm their own children Cults that I
dealt with I had
a Jewish cult um in a different state
that he would the cult leader sadist
shim you
know
R just to show the
control and the answer is when you walk
away that you need a lot of time to come
back to normal it's not like you just
okay no no no there's a m shift the cup
ver used start when you when when when I
when you start calling white green it's
you can oh I realize it's white then
it's and it's a
thing it's it's a it's a
transition those who leave Cults I feel
very strongly they need a tremendous
support system
uh Community
recently
prison like literally
in they had massive plans to escape but
they didn't have it's it's a common
thing Z plans us to escape in the prison
but once they're out they don't know
what they're doing right so the question
question is
it is BL because his life is to be in a
better I got a call one day I got a call
one day there was a cult that was uh in
Guatemala uh Jewish cult and a young boy
at a 17 years old ran
away
and and because
long all his life Mex um but because of
the pandemic I couldn't even get
together with him because he he's now in
in in in Canada and America but but gave
them a little bit of guidance of of how
to work yeah when when when
when to change a flavor you know in your
ice cream is is is easy and to change
even eating habits although sometimes
much harder but when you're changing
your whole mind frame that was really
um um something that didn't fit that
wasn't
healthy it's a it's a big transition mhm
um that you have to go through like even
if your mind knows already that
something is that that's the way to go
you still have to catch up so I guess it
takes a long time
right so so when I dealt with cult
members one of the places I used to take
him up in country
to not to force them back
into the real life right
away you know they took they took their
time coming back and and that has been
successful wow well so so it's not a
hard it's not an easy thing
basically it's going to be a thing on
his whole life life another question do
you you do a lot of things do you treat
paper CS cuz I
just I just C myself very very bad no
but will give you a little kiss
and my business with with the joke that
we say is uh is you know the father like
he's reading a new paper the K you know
my doll you know little girl comes over
and the doll hurt herself you know so uh
you know
and my doll made a boo boo my dolly made
a boo
boo you could have
said you know you you
know yeah yeah
we don't listen with our
ears we listen with our eyes with we
listen with our entire
being end with my father again a a a
fellow
lawyer the Bush President Bush
you
know you know you tell him about a
problem a fil M A fil M you know listen
it's not only about listening it's you
got to listen with your entire
being there's no reason because it's
thing sometimes a kid sometime they're
looking for something and
sometimes mention mention cult feeling
like they
actually
so
the to take advantage of people there
are some people who think that I'm happy
to take advantage somebody else and the
opportunity you
do it's
um healthy people don't understand why
crazy people do crazy
things people right and once you get in
you can't see what happens like this
when we would get a get K in a cult we'
bring a kid from another
cult
question right um but the fact is
is do different levels from Cults is do
um let's say the cult leader why should
he open it
whyer
um like the other guy spoke to
before but power is a very big thing you
know and this you so to a certain extent
we're all controllable
the and even in talks
about we want sometimes a a a
leader but the question is at at what at
what point so there's a certain point
that oh I know you want it ever so I'm
now going to tell you I'm not going to
tell you listen do me a favor just like
I would tell you listen okay
now again one when when you're healthy
and well he said that will never
happen one step at a time and and these
guys I was I was dealing with the cult
cult one so the member who ran away from
the cult and had to get it family out he
said let me tell you what we're dealing
with if this guy was giving a
Shear there was a
tape and all of they got a telephone
call so he stopped the tape took a three
weeks later he continued the she so they
took the tape we put the tape back on he
says you would not know where we
stopped that's how genius the thing
listen but can sometimes get us in
trouble so men of us join a cult the
other cult and smart people stupid
people so that's very very some them are
very
smart but usually a little bit less
mature it's maturity versus uh smartness
noan is is is uh you know it's a
blessing but if you don't know how to
use cluk shaft uh your your your wisdom
you can get into trouble also
I can give you reasoning reasoning is is
is is not
good where's the balance okay that's
that's a difficult balance and when you
turn over that
balance mention where's the fine line
between regular
is leg because losing weight the first
question when I ask people when they
come to me and they say you know my son
is an ult my daughter's an ult i yes the
first question is does the cult leader
do things
against and once they say yes I say you
have
documented the
you know
when that's that's a good answer because
so so this is a fine line between that's
one of one of the parameters one of the
test but is it one of in general
Ault there's a lot of religions in the
world what's the difference between a
religion and our cult
um one of the first things that we talk
about is honesty a religion will tell
you right
away and the the the other one is going
to lie who they
are simp
has to do
with has to do with that's one of the
things that one and but the interesting
thing is it really works the opposite
one of the cult things what Cults are
successful is they destroy your
individuality no it's about him it's
about the leader it's about the leader
it's
about Yeah Yeah
Yeahs you know
you
know you
know that's why one of the things what
the Cults do they will change your name
they'll tell you to change your name
well mention was going on the Cults
change your name yeah yeah
feel okay what happened what happens you
really you lose your individuality and
and right right right that's one way of
putting it yeah Master
number G to have you on the on the thing
so he's he asked me how do you deal if
you have some smart kids that get
annoyed of their stupid siblings
um sibling rivalry sibling rivalry is a
very very interesting
Dynamics number
one sibling power is
unbelievable the kids all stick together
the kids will stick together against
their parents so the sibling power the
answer is when when
when
inquality I don't like you
ands this is your brother this is your
sister
and now you say now but stupid there are
things that they may know that you don't
know would you like them to call you
stupid the real answer to your question
ISS what age child are we talking about
we talking about you know six years old
so we're talking about 16 year
olds
um in in
in the little bit of life that I that I
I find that usually brothers and sisters
are pretty close
in and um they got the same gen you know
I had the same t as you had so let's
let's not be although I must tell you in
my you know healthy
healthy
qualification so uh as it happens in our
home we we look very much to our oldest
brother as a very very smart you
know this Same by us and I'm the
oldest he says Same by us and I'm the
oldest
good it rubs off a lot from parents on
the kids let me tell you one thing I go
and speak for yes
crowds and what the things I get up and
they
say TI you know ti ti you know ladies
and gentlemen you know you have to
respect your
children and I hear the
room you know like wait wait yeah yeah
yeah let me say it again you have to
respect your children so someone picks
up the hand RAB I don't understand it
says in the T you have to respect your
parents I said I'll tell you why well
without we wouldn't we think we don't
have to respect that
parents but your children wow you have
to be an idiot not to respect your child
by the way by the way that's an amazing
thing that you said that without to you
would not know that you have to respect
your parents why should you respect your
parents fault it's not my fault exactly
no it's not my fault I suffer because of
you that's why
he's in a few
months you know you
know why do we see that we we we worship
our children and not
oh let's conclude yeah what are we
taking out from this episode as if we
didn't have anything until now taking
from episode is as
follows
um I happen to think across the
board I think in the
last
Kan we got a we there's a lot we have to
do because we're growing okay we have to
we have to be more understanding more
tolerant more
loving you know if if you're gonna say
certain jokes in the house you better
not make sure doesn't hear you you
know yeah