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Latest Talks Podcast - Ep #14 | Topics: How Rabbi Issamar Sold Icons For Apple - His Unknown Back...
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Welcome to the Latest Talks Podcast! Here we shmooze and try to cover all kinds of interesting topics, so you can enjoy top-quality Yiddish entertainment. Guest: Rabbi Issamar Ginzberg - Business Consultant https://rabbiissamar.com Hosts: Pinchus Raab - Owner of PR Marketing Group Chilu Posen - Owner of Mezamrim Choir Moshe Milstein - Designer • Pencil Point To place an ad email us at: [email protected]
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he sold his house and he moved into his
ice cream truck and that's how he
managed theel what if it's not a good
day what if
P you were the first one to do this on
social security number is
117 we'll leave the last digit now
instead of managing one little tiny part
of a business you're now going to the
big picture risk management of the whole
business
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marketing business
Consulting in uh
psychology introduction
right
okay the question
is that's a good way of looking at
it 100%
hindsight is
2020 connect the do
but sometimes you see it many many years
later and what's
the podcast after the podcast when you
have me on the second time I'll be able
to explain to you what happened the
first time that made it worth my while
to come to America with the wow the
story the outcome of it now we know we
have an episode to okay yeah see can't
wait
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social security number is
117 leave the last digit this
is actually you
know number Social is between I think 05
and 130 you're born in New York
state says 071 there you
go so's let's move on
fast I'm with you there you go my
English birthday is February 3rd 1980 if
you want to do you know if you need to
know to social on the date of
birth white is a gorgeous color it's got
to last long
people behind the scenes here to make a
note of where I said my social and to
make beep over the second or two over
there
make
anyway ask
yeah yeah that's how it
goes it was a lifelong
dream yes the I scratched it you know
it's one of the things I wanted to
accomplish
ACC for in general
specifically wow yeah
[Laughter]
wow
okay that's how it works in
general that's not really a way to be
successful don't don't don't skate to
where the puck is Skate to where the
puck is going
essentially so what I did before I'm say
what what I did and how I got to do what
I do but it's not copy me in what I did
if you want to learn something from what
I did you want to copy it copy it in the
sense of do something different using
the same mindset not copy what I did
competition the idea for not not finding
a need and filling
it
hello business consultant
um is a puzzle a painting call it what
you want
get
challenges connections
why you even asking me
that
um risk management risk
management Serv against complete
overhaul because it cost you feel guilt
so the risk management guy has to figure
out how often do I have to fix the plane
it should always be in good working
order
but bottom
line so I said uh I started talking why
do you want to do
this doesn't
matter doesn't
matter
fored a
software
software help employ
emplo
emplo get the get the product and then
they roll it
outt I was curious because I wanted to
figure out when I'm explaining to
somebody why you're doing this for a
living what your background is I said
now I have a good story you started out
by building software to help people with
their
employees Post Cereal Walmart
Coca-Cola Target
fine
yes now instead of managing one little
tiny part of a business you're now going
to the big picture risk management the
whole business I was able to build him a
backstory what he did past to be able to
explain to
people very much in Risk
Management this is something special to
see anyway so back to our conversation
Compu
d means
it's and
and was Microsoft pain and Microsoft
right and there was
Apple if you think word if you think
Microsoft Word is sophisticated think of
word pad you think word pad is
sophisticated think of text pad I think
it's
called okay very very B
right
now
in the computer
stickit by the way why the a typewriter
q r t
y q t y I'm losing it haven't in a while
t y AS ASDF no it's not as s DF g h j k
l that's ASD second line Second Line q e
r t y u o p a s d f g h j KL ZX CB v m
that's the keyboard why is the quity
keyboard shaped like that because in the
olden
days when you hit a keyboard every time
there's little Hammers and every time
you hit a key when t t t t tck so any
letters that were used very often next
to each other they
should so any letters that are used or
next to each other on opposite sides of
the keyboard so that when you type
really fast they should they shouldn't
hack it so no so the reason why
computers today even though nothing gets
hacked it's it's a there a lot of things
like this in business and
life the reason why right now there's
other keybard that are better there dor
keyboard other keyboards and in
different countries keyboards are
different but the reason why we have a
keyboard today has nothing to do with
anything except that once upon a time
the main goal is that the should into
each other leave you stuck
anyway the the typ the the instead of
these hammers it was on a
ball ski that
part anyway
so so we had a sticker which had the
Hebrew keyboard on a sticker
and so at that point there was something
very there was something very common
called shearar sheare meant
I'm giving have no problem giving my age
but I feel like I'm
getting
service things like that
so I was very fascinated by this idea
besides mention sh in the
mail
so so common something unique about it
icons I mention the
computer was very and a folder was a
picture of a
folder at that point as in the world of
sh
mention software program software in the
sense that it's something you install in
your computer and you pay if you like
it expion 40,000 pieces of
CLI
so that if you change using a program
called graphic converter at the time but
if you change an icon an image type from
a PNG there's no PNG at the time from a
gif to a JPEG or GIF or
J fine fine by the
way
Google
GOOG search Google
CH well considering I say Tesla when I
speak about Tesla and people say it's
Tesla not Tesla
so
uh says Tesla it is Tesla Elon Musk says
Tesla and he's the CEO of the company so
he says
Tesla Doge coin or the Dodge Coin well
I'll actually tell you since there's a
shua which is what the coin is based on
it's actually dogor doggy right doggy
um okay no C and S that is off top a lot
of words a z and a s if if you're if
you're from England or from like British
people a lot of times they say different
things
say
not same idea anyway
so whatever you do is fine so to get
back to topic I figured out if you
convert something from a gif to a JPEG
then when you convert it it makes the
thumbnail of the image into the image in
tiny mhm it downgrades it yeah but
you're actually ending up with a preview
of the
image so then I was able to take that
and use a program called hex Editor to
edit it a drop and I was able to turn
them into icons put them onto empty
folders and I created shareware for of
custom icons so legally I had the
graphics I didn't design them I just had
the share where CD SVG
file no it was in Mac it called a
theoretically an ICN but there's no such
thing in Mac because the extension
there's no extensions that are
visible about before the days that Mac
used Steve Jobs company NeXT as the back
end of that I'm talking about the
original Microsoft but anyway
M no no Linux back end Unix back end but
anyway um where I was going with this
was was that I actually put this out
there on the internet it's still out if
you look for it one of them is called I
believe the cuckoo iccons
collection us ku ku don't ask me why I
had a lot of just looking for random
names and when I made the form that you
fill out if you like the icons I did two
things that no one had really taught me
to do but I thought it would be
interesting
if you send me $10 in the
mail and by the
way I never came never really came out
to talk about this in this way but I
remember correctly I didn't even create
those icons until the people started
sending in money which tells you the end
of the story
what if it's not a good day
whatever once I have few people paying
the big bucks I'll pay the
Hotel
host because it's coming up organically
in a
conversation epode
it disturbs the middle of the thing boom
you
know Manion inom
Lakewood is
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Lakewood New York
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the middle of the thing boom you
know the gas station
wow wow I want to clarify also it didn't
break someone smashed
it I I I don't know the actual story but
that's what happened exactly and
and this
isation form if you send it this form
please um you send it I'll send you 100
more account accounts
selection
boxes you're going to like this okay $10
for to license the icons $35 for a site
license
mysite not like today aret which run by
the
Pentagon email address had like email
addresses were like 4989 comma 2182
compus here.com or something at BB new
york.ny
whatever
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downlo anyway so back to topic so now so
why did I do it because it looked staty
that's the real honest answer
but then I went to
Camp shout out to my favorite brother
that Liv in that taught me about Rolling
Green lights when you go from Crown
Heights by to
Brooklyn uh
so I'm to visit
you bag full of
checks in Camp literally in Camp now I
didn't what we do checks in Camp give to
the Cen so I fill that an envelope I
didn't know the address but I remember
that on Avenue J Corner cor Avenue there
was a dime savings bank so I wrote on
the envelope Dime Savings Bank Corner
cor Avenue Avenue J Brooklyn New
York check in the back I all this stuff
at the time
the made it into my account and deposit
by mail the old fashioned way but was
was the most interesting part of this
whole thing besides the fascination of
getting checks understanding that
there's people out there that will pay
you and that there's people out there
they don't care if you have a long bid
and you don't speak English don't care
they don't care which college you went
to if you didn't go to college at the
end of the day if you're providing them
value they will pay for it they the
other interesting part was was that I
started getting most checks were $10 but
some checks were 35 one of them was from
a man named Michael spitler and his
email address was michael. spitler
newton.
and he gave me $35 for the write for
Apple to use my icons in the entire site
wow so I can honestly say got Apple
Apple computer for a for a customer
client maybe the wrong
word so what was $35 I don't have to say
that part you know what to
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say how
you created
icons and again I didn't design I'm not
an artist I didn't design the icons I
simply figured out
something that if I do this that's
freely available and this that's freely
available and I put it all together I
have something unique that I can
ethically and legally sell so and once I
saw it was working I started doing more
of them and don't forget your question
but I have one more point to this
there's something called the MIT hyper
archive which is run by the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
which sounds very
but the camera okay so so um it's Hy
MIT thank you the MIT hyper arches the
MIT get
MIT was like called infom
archive discs so I'm thinking like this
to myself wait they charge money for it
but if your software is on it they send
it to you for free especially if you
learn to write in the thing the software
is fre freely for download but if you
put it on a CD you must send me a copy
of the CD on which the software is
placed okay so then I started creating
one thing every two months because I
wanted the free CD because to download
you get to hear the sound
again so in order to not have to deal
with that I could have every every
single piece of sh that's
released got five stars on seen it I was
the number one most downloaded softw for
16 weeks straight I think wow I was on
of 16 weeks then said this week number
one last week number one weeks on list
16 like the bestseller
list like there anyway your question was
I wanted to know you you came up with
this thing alone meaning it didn't exist
beforehand or there there were other
people that did this there were people
out there that spent time pixel by pixel
literally saying okay let me design a
frog so they made a green pixel and they
made a little frog working within those
that that limit number of of I'm saying
as icons for icons you were the first
one to do this or no I met a guy I I met
not I met a guy I found an icon thing I
still remember it's called the guy's
name is uh mighty toad I think was the
name of the company the guy Mighty Toad
and he ions he made icons I copied him
but I was different than him number one
if you gave me money don't forget you
got more icons that wasn't that wasn't
the standard so I gave you bait don't
just pay me cuz you like me either feel
guilty for not paying me or pay me and
you'll get more M and that's how iar
about balc checks cuz somebody named
Verona I don't know if the first name or
last name or the street they lived on
but that was certainly part of the check
balanced on me and then I learned you
don't send out the icons till it bounced
then at one point I did a software that
said if you donate you can either give
me 10 you can either give me a different
piece software but you can either send
me $5 or send me a $10 check made out to
the American Red Cross why I did it I
was experimenting like a lot of things
somebody many people sent me five some
people sent me 10 one person sent me 10
and said if you can prove to me that
this check goes to the American Red
Cross I will send you five for yourself
so I made sure the check went there Red
Cross and I sent them back a thing he
sent me $5 for myself I Lear I got I I
never knew there was a place called Guam
until I got a money order from Guam for
my for my uh for my icons where's Guam
Guam is in the Pacific I believe I
believe one the American Army station
that's some territory of America or
something I'm not that familiar I like
to be intelligent on a thing but more or
less
that's there we go g m
Guam so I learn I ended up learning a
lot about anyway so let's fast forward a
little
bit make a fast forward
sound no that's a rewind
[Laughter]
anyway theal hotel hotel in l no they I
think they took it
down
and public
companies the from the public company
into them we have been paid $25,000 for
six month PR promotional whatever for
this for this stock meaning to say it's
not unbiased this this is a paid
promotion basically so when I saw that
disclaimer I realized okay
mention for promotion so I realiz if
they want to pay 25,000 bucks to him why
wouldn't they pay 25,000 bucks to me and
that's how this has nothing to do what
we said previously but we discussed Life
as a puzzle the next part came from
understanding that public companies
again don't care what your name is what
you look like what your your education
is they care about results if if you can
do something for them bring them
eyeballs visibility Etc they're willing
to pay for it so from that I I remember
asking that guy's permission I in their
business if if if I can if I can do the
same thing he said do whatever you want
so then at a time all cell phone numbers
were 917 and all home phone numbers in
this area in this were 718 except
Verizon let you take a 718 cell phone
this is M on cell phones where
were especially the small one St Tech
so I got a Verizon phone only because I
wanted a 718 number for my cell phone
cuz I was worried that public companies
that are going to call me I'm going to
see 917 number they're going to know I'm
a cell phone number office I was in yes
I learning FY because I don't want to St
whatever but but in Yesa and then b d I
had my phone and it had then it was not
a smartphone it was a cell phone and uh
I kept in My Pocket every time it VI
vibrated in my pocket I got very excited
and this was my and then when company
started calling me asking me for you
know can you do this can you do that
said him because this is a public
thing but I once was asked by a company
if I would do they ask me how much I
want I think I said at the time I think
I said $5,000 maybe I don't remember the
numbers but doesn't matter I said $5,000
and they said if we give you cash will
we do it for Less I said yeah I'll
$4500 and they said Okay so I was
assuming at the time this is one of the
education you get in life that when they
asked me cash they me instead of credit
card cash or check made out the cash M
it didn't occur to me that a public
company might have I'm not going to say
it didn't occur to me that a public
company might have
any check or credit card related way to
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pay profile company and
I didn't tell people buy the stock it's
a good stock and then it went down that
kind of thing I helped I helped
companies I still do this find more
investors in their company essentially
it's about visibility it's just like uh
I don't want to talk about Bitcoin for
the whole for the whole thing just like
Bitcoin or doggy coin or Dodge Coin or
whatever you want Dodge fine whatever
you want just like all these kind of
things there certain number of people
that know about something for every 100
people that know about it let's say one
of them buys that means by mathematics
if you tell a million people about it
you let 10,000 people buying 100,000
people buying right 10 one 100 depends
on the math but essentially the more you
expand the visibility for something the
more the more it can make okay which is
why now I'm working on a public company
of my own after having done a lot of
stuff other people's companies for many
years
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did you know that Poland Spring was in
main not in Poland yeah yeah Poland you
know that Poland Spring not from Poland
Spring no if you put purple drops in
[Laughter]
it color
whatever that's obviously a reference to
a previous episode episode eight the
qualities of water which episode is this
this episode 14 and which episode
numbers mention was my second time uh
episode 20 no episode 20 is Bri I think
it's up to you 26
26 26 what's
the the funny thing
is
basically but I know you're a long time
and
way
yes yeah so it's available
any the best question I was ever asked
in any interview
ever that was in 2017 I
think by the way anyway oh right so now
now not only that i' I've already sold
myself and coming back a second time
right exactly by the way episode
14 behind the
camera next time can guess you know
contest buil up episode 14 at you know
what you want to know who it is we'll
send it to you in the mail as long as
you send us $5 $10 $10 $10 to tell
everybody and and if we'll know that
he's real then the organization gets $10
and I get $5 right so first let me
answer you what about my company with
with h with a story but first tell me
how much time we have left oh it is 20
minutes 20
minutes okay so we'll start with the
story of
Margaret thater Margaret thater was the
Prime Minister of England when she
was prime
minister prime
minister the NHS National Health
Service nursing home care basically
Senior Care
that
any so suddenly a lot of companies will
be very happy to hear that news a lot of
groceries might be very disappointed to
hear that news depends if they making
money it just changes the whole
Dynamics iceam truck
okay well if the if the government is
going to pay for nursing home care that
means that many more people will want
nursing home care but mention the can
the vill can afford and suddenly can
afford it not only that but it's like
Section 8 it's guaranteed income if the
government's paying for someone's
nursing home care then I don't have to
worry is not going to have money because
blame in nursing homes which I don't
know if anyone ever came across which is
what do you do with a patient that
doesn't have money to pay he's in he was
paying a he doesn't have money anymore
you can't just throw him out government
programs you try to send him to the
house Hospital you don't take him back
but that's that's that's already
advanced
advanced But ultimately you don't get
stuck with patients that are not paying
right like hospitals have that
problem illegal immigrants some do right
he's illegal immigrant so he goes to the
hospital he goes to the hospital he gets
care because he's Indigent which means
instead of you as a taxpayer paying $40
him to go to the doctor you paid ,000 to
visit the emergency room because you're
trying to save money CU he's an illegal
by way it doesn't make me liberal
doesn't make it just it does no sense
itn't make anything but this is the fact
right and there's a lot of things like
that by the way yeah yeah so this guy
Duncan
bantine M read this article and D bath
time Duncan d n c a n bantine b a an
n a t y n e dunin Donuts spelled very
similar there you go that's dun this is
dunan and that's
dunen I think there's a kosher one in
Chicago
yeah do of 18
of
ofal everyone who goes into the called
donut store next to my so
pleas latest
talks5 but that's the real way to get SP
having people go in so you didn't know
you don't know about that podcast that's
how we got so mention
mles
latest donut and Red Cross just curious
did Ms opticle only give you one pair of
glasses cuz they should have given you
more Ms yeah because the chances are at
some point these glasses are going to be
hopefully not attacked by somebody else
but sometime going to break at some
point M and you'll need new ones right
and if they giv you two but service
anyway that's not a good answer you have
to spend twice the time there I think
there's a there's a good comeback it's
an investment for him though this
glasses one day is going to be so famous
because of this episode it's going to
cost a lot a lot of money so if it
breaks even more he auction why doesn't
he auction off his glasses let's do this
okay see the comments you see now so
Margaret thater said she's paying for
nursing home C this guy had an ice cream
truck and he decided if government's
paying it this opportunity I'm going to
take advantage of the
opportunity he built his nursing home
and it came to the final inspection and
they turned him down because he didn't
have a light bulb screwed in or some
random even worse than
usual so so um person had no choice they
had no money left they were counting on
this for the this D he sold his house
and he moved into his ice cream truck
and that's how he managed to survive
those few weeks he got next inspection
became a multi multimillionaire from the
story he did a lot of other things but
this is one of the things I got into
this whole story is
because get that when I see the
opportunity for myself as opposed to
doing consulting and helping e as much
as I can
going all kind of non-jewish people as
well I can't help it um but this story
as far as quot a powerful quote the
opportunity of a lifetime comes once a
week you have to keep your eyes peeled
for it when I so when I saw opportunity
come around I decided I'm going for it
full force and that's this company that
I have it started with an idea now I
already have one thing I purchased for
it one I'm in kind of contract for and
one that I'm waiting now yeah this
week week next week on second I remember
any when I when I spoke to either
Thursday or Monday if it was Monday
he'll be back next week if it was
Thursday I'll be back this week anyway
so what's what's that company it's a
company revolving around the fact people
call it silver tsunami people call it
Aging in place it's the company
revolving around the fact that people
are getting older but not feeling older
not wanting to go to a nursing home not
wanting to retire and play Bingo the
whole day long but who want to live as
long as possible in their houses and
they are comfortable with technology and
different Technologies and solutions
that can help them live comfortably and
happily for as many years as possible as
we said before 60 is a new 40 which
makes 100 new 80 which makes 80 60 right
so today famous
line living
longer okay
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I'll get back to you in three to five
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business
okay okay that's pretty good
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assuming they didn't live long enough to
have all the medical problems that we
have that's man
40 56
sure they didn't live long enough to
have all the medical problems that were
Happ if they did have the medical
problems we didn't even know about them
no but I'm saying that they could have
gotten the medical problems earlier and
that's why they died true but meaning to
say there was no need for knee
Replacements when nobody lived to the
age of needing knee Replacements I
thought the knee Replacements came
before that's
why I'm not coming here with the
medicine have to walk everywhere
depends they didn't have that weren't
that
good didn't have proper dental hygiene
but yeah in theory idea okay so that
being said not only that when I me they
didn't know about all the kite they know
today so if someone had making this up
100 years
ago right right m
okay
so so now one second so now people are
living longer and we know more about
aging and people are living healthier
lives and that doesn't mean that you
don't never eat a slice of pizza that's
not what it means it means that L
because medicine and pills and and and
and CAT scans and whatever you you name
it people live much longer now not only
do people live longer but people either
want to stay working they don't people
don't want to retire
and they lose their sharpness many times
anyway
so 78 year
old9 by the way old age is always a few
years old even when you're old it's
always a few years older than you are
that's
where was five years ahead of you that's
where you mature but get out and kick
the gun Congress
everything is alate mentioned in the
70s people are living longer they
need govern R grocy corporations kick of
Microsoft kick of Alys V is Bill Gates V
is war Buffett you name it War buff yeah
you
know who
Buffett richest people marovich
leov information compan out to me reach
out to you
know the point is it's not that I
particularly like the smell of nursing
homes or a vitamin stores it's that I
want to help people avoid that smell I
can't the company
is buying and
creating different products and services
to help baby boomers and those around
them to live longer happier more
productive lives I'll give you a random
example
company
dve him the license he wanted to drive
why did he want to drive because he
wanted his independence that's the real
reason not because he wants Al as soon
as you give a guy the ability to have an
Uber just like a young person doesn't
feel bad taking an Uber an old person
doesn't feel bad either taking an Uber
which means that now he can go to his
eyck whatever saying but people want
their independence it's not so if you
give a person for example uh if you can
I don't want to get too technical R just
another quick example there's a camera
that tells hospitals when a person's
walking out the door if that person is a
patient or a or a visitor without
looking without without uh knowing that
person's
face now obviously it's not always true
because what do you
meanti you know but which kind of
patient is the hospital worried about
leaving they're not worried about if
you're you're in the hospital for
something and and and you go out because
you want to they're worried about the
people they mention was that leave the
hospital right that's they really wor
about the hospital ad the podcast but
there you go so now this camera can
sense the Gate of a person how a person
walks and it could tell from the gate
just by the back of him no face is
involved if the if the security got you
go after the patient and say excuse me
Siri so there's lots of Technologies out
there once upon a time people technology
me no nobody wants a camera looking at
them a whole day long but there are many
people that would be willing to have
under their matches a little tiny sensor
that would simply sense what time they
go to sleep and what time they wake up
and if that pattern changes doesn't
matter what the pattern is then it send
it sends a notice to the person and then
if the person doesn't respond within the
day to the person's doctor again
depending on whe the if this then that
right the there's a lot ofies out that
can be
buil the question is you as the senior
the Young Senior how much are you
willing to let technology in your life
if it means you're giving up your
privacy so it's a very careful B the
government off the roads the
lines that's true but do you really want
do you really want that if you don't
take your medicine one morning your son
should get an alert saying he didn't
take your medicine and should call you
up the point we're not talking about
people who are
sick
room you right people are getting more
with technology that's true but still
there's a lot of technologies that
privacy there's a lot of things that
that you don't even like think about
very no one thinks about very much but
things that make a big difference for
example most old people are health I
don't say healthy but most old people
are fully functional on their own until
they fall they fall they break their
hip steps down I've seen it time and
time and time again so therefore by say
if I can prevent somebody from breaking
their hip what I've done is I've prevent
I've given them many more years of happy
life in theory right M you go into a
hotel room and the bathtub they have a
or in a public place they the bathtub
has like a big ugly iron handle for for
for handicaps for seniors they could
they could they could hold on when a
person's building their own house they
don't want to put in that kind of stuff
because you know but especially people
getting older who are remodeling if they
can get a handle for the bathtub that
matches the tiles and that doesn't look
out of place and doesn't look medical
because TI put it in what do you mean
not for me no in case Ana once comes to
visit and
so there's lots of speak of that
handle
hand M yeah
but I'll add something I'll add
something to that with which is that
when the bar is is horizontal yeah when
it's when before they made Chief the the
the the Mala is at least the way people
thought of it was people will think it's
a towel
rack it's not sticking out as something
for helping somebody but then again why
does it look like a disgusting piece of
metal that belongs in a workshop why
does it yeah okay
soers for
the same idea right many things
unfortunately only get created when when
when people get
hurt I am
busy thinking of ideas okay you know
hopefully good ideas also but either
buying other people's ideas or licensing
them or if I have I do have one specific
idea that I'm working on is patenting it
because once it's patented that patent
end of itself has a value both as far as
protecting yourself and both as far as a
public company a patent has a a value
that goes on the B pending n oh was can
sh the even if it was we're not going to
go there for a long conversation I just
want to tell everyone something very
important and if this the only thing you
get to this podcast or any podcast you
ever hear from this it was worth
listening just for this one thing I'm
about to say has nothing to do with me
there's two kinds of patents there's a
patent that says I'm patenting this pen
and nobody else can make a pen exactly
like this that's called a design patent
and then there's a patent called Utility
Patent I am making something which is a
plastic which is a tube and inside of it
goes a pen which at the end of the pen
has a uh a little bowl and between the
bowl and the plastic tube there's a tiny
tiny little hole which lets through just
a tiny little bit of ink so that when I
actually put the pen to the paper ink
comes out and that is called a Utility
Patent now a design patent is worth
nothing except for the fact you can have
it hanging on your wall and on your
resume and you look good when you talk
to people it doesn't give you anything
because I can simply make the exact same
pen and make diamond shapes instead of
circles and make it an inch longer and
make it with a with a red cap instead of
a black cap and then you can't do
anything to me because I didn't violate
your patent Utility Patent means I
patented the utility the gun for
something so we took patent pending on
people and they get a
lawyer
p000 I'm the smartest man in Brooklyn
you're not the smartest man in Brooklyn
maybe you are but that's not doesn't
make your smartest man in Brooklyn
smartest man of Brooklyn understands
that that patent is worthless and that
patent may be worth a million dollars
before we finish this this uh the first
of the two uh
interviews business if you think about
it Consulting there's a lot of things I
could have done a lot of I could have
had why don't I own a a bagel Stone
South Falls
in my
particular should never say never but
deep inside just like I don't think
I'm I don't think that I'm going to
be now at the same time what can I do
that is hopefully
that builds my reputation as a that as I
do what I always knew I'm going to do
doesn't only not only it's not a stea
but it actually helps which is why I
wented to consulant as after that I get
the consultant into Consulting I'll just
quickly tell
you so pay careful attention you
shouldn't have to say
that anything I
do topics I try to go deep anything that
interests me I don't just I go deep so
when I turned 18 I knew there's
something called credit cards credit
cards student credit cards how do you
get them what do you what what is can
you get them before your 18 what is this
which card is easier than another card
to get what's behind it FICO score FICO
score and Company FICO there we go he so
you take your FICO score there's not one
the three right the middle of the
three exper very good you take the three
here's another good tip people should
know and if you he just this
Tip since the only score that really
matters is your middle score when you're
trying to fix your credit never ever
work on fixing the top score because it
doesn't matter unless you're going for a
specific credit card that pulls that
score but as far as mortgage are
concerned always go either for the
bottom or the middle I'm going to this
with you here why because if you can get
either one to go higher than your
current top score then that the top
score becomes you know middle score and
therefore that's what that's what
everything's based around so the guy in
the bottom the middle doesn't matter
again your current top score is going to
become the middle score let's say your
scores let's pick numbers 69 680 670 so
now why because every every credit score
is a little bit different depending on
which which 740 I was giving an example
not you you 740 you 7140
739 41 doesn't matter yeah very nice
okay now the point is is that there's
different uh levels where a bank will
give you or car loan whatever will give
you a different rate so if your score is
680 or 679 or's 680 681 or 679 big
difference in your mortgage rate 620 621
or 619 big difference
700 721 79 big difference the 80 change
the difference so 680 68
price this
because just like there's a date that
before that date after that date you're
in play group whatever kinderg there's a
cut off each cut off so now because if
your if your top score is let's say one
point above the cut off and they're
going by score anyway leave the top
score where it is and get the middle or
bottom score remove one bad item from
that credit from the thing or at a card
whatever you got to do and then once you
move that above the top score your
middle score 681 and then you get the
better by the way Z different other pay
off credit card
bill or pay off your credit card bill
and doesn't and never paid it off on the
due date figure out where that your your
your your credit statement generates and
paid off the day before because it
doesn't matter the due date it matters
what shows up on your bill n credit
cards Hub credit cards okay you get you
put them in a zipl bag you put the bag
in in a you put that zipl bag in another
huge zipl bag you fill that zipl bag
with ice you put it in your freezer and
don't tell your wife that you have a
freezer
and whatever you said before okay and
then you freeze it and then if you ever
need a credit card you have it but it's
not so easy to get it's a little bit of
a mitching to get
which
same as long as the store's credit card
machine still works when there's no when
electric we could have
oh so now now so I went into credit I
understood bu credit how it works FICO
scores and credit scores and how what
you
know there F and F and we could talk
about that in the real score and the
score and that score which is not the
same and the simulator which doesn't
work we could go there also but next
time but not next time it's a reflected
score it's a average after no
to make a long story oh thank you for
reminding me we came from exactly to
make a long story short I do everything
I tried to do deep I did Regular credit
I did business credit from business
credit I had people ask me questions
about business credit and they said ask
me general questions about business so I
didn't I became a consultant that one
day I said consultant because I wrote a
booklet we going whole I wrote a booklet
on how to get business
credit um and somebody came to me his
name is Andy Andrew Havens I think he
once came to New York to meet me from
Virginia some place Andy Havens I'll
I'll reach out to him after this episode
anyway he came to meet shout out to Andy
yeah even though speaking yish he has a
beard
though anyway a realy so so he came to
New York to meet me and he proposed to
me that he believes I didn't I never
wrote copy in my life this write
copywriting
name times 50 times a year right it's
my math is right yeah 300 hours huh
almost 200 300 hours account there
anyway so at the time I never never any
copy came over listen I have a proposal
for you what's the proposal I want you
to double your price of your product I
want you to give me half and I'm going
to write copy that's going to sell the
product so you wrote the book anyway I
think it's a great
book I'm going to write a web page
that's going to sell this book and
instead of charging you charging 25
you'll charge 50 and I want 25 so you're
not losing anything because you're still
making you made now anyway we did it and
it worked very well so that's why I
ended up getting it the copy copy and I
start I don't actually have a
job what are you doing
here you're
hiring
yeah answer your question so there's
nothing there's nothing there's no Ste
between what I do on Monday and
Wednesday do
afternoon look everything
slowly it happened in the right time it
happened so what am I supposed to do now
supposed to
shut talking any
we still there
wow just he left his ticket somewhere
yes I did not use the return leg of my
of my round trip yeah is it framed on on
somewhere no it's digital that's one of
the problems
digital It's All Digital when how thises
get turn into an icon for a a
folder and print screen okay anyway it's
the same thing as one time coming to the
podcast you're stuck you can't leave you
you're GNA have to be here a second time
keep call there the principle of
consistency which is when a person does
something they don't want to be serious
to
themselves yeah
consistency consistency mind in short
when in a non-threatening way they
already agreed that they would so now
now they do
yeah although although I do things in
segments if someone doesn't hear this
one then I can understand the jokes that
you make by the next one
which yeah I barely spoke this whole
thing I have a lot of questions I wrote
them all down this is all for next time
you can record he can leave you can talk
to me
and there's a lot of information a lot
that I
got there's a lot
intruction
theast record
right
and same thing back to company
previously one of the things technology
does especially now with Corona and
lockdown this and that is a lot more
people even older people
Zoom everybody got used to the fact you
have to know how to do it manage
particip right it made the it made it
the curve people went up a certain curve
technologically speaking so having said
that I have zoom I use zoom pretty much
all day long I sit in my son's bedroom
which is my office have a nice
background so nobody has to say it's my
son's bedroom because he only uses it at
night I only use it by day
so by the same token you can do episodes
for the
opp 25th hour in my day today
please next time make it easier on us
and come to
me the cheesecake Min
cheesecakes pictures by the way please
don't give him more than
a it was very good and a special shout
out to compliments
forgot compliment
Gi Oh um man yeah
fine yeah yeah