Rabbi Yehoshua and the Elders of Athens

This is a a classic agar. It's on the level of the gimaras in the beginning of sasina with rabana. One of the shavas between those two gimaras. Again, that's a gimmar we spoke so much about when we learn Basra with great bites and introductions is that the vily wrote a pirish on those gumaras and the vil wrote a purish on on this gimmar as well because as much as this is an entertaining story it makes for a good but at the same time at the same time there's no question this is the writing that there has to be and there has to be and there has to be a lot of because otherwise this comes across as a very frivolous >> [snorts] >> story that really is is hard to wrap our heads around. Truth is the guy as we just mentioned wrote a piran obviously as you would expect has an on if you go through his pieces there's there's an there you know just to get a tiny bit of a feel we're not going to go through this this is what we call but just to get a tiny bit of a sense as it relates to the first two Shilas anyways right just to get it going and then uh you can go from there what was the first question the first question that they posed to Yeshua was that there was a person that tried tried uh you know corning someone for a and [snorts] he was uh shut out based on the fact that they said oh you're not worthy of being mash with our very very family [snorts] and he said okay really and he went and he decided he's going to try to find someone that's even more than her and at first glance it seems to be counterintuitive and Yeshua said I don't think it's so fair I mean look let's take a nail I can't get it to go to the bottom of the kisul but I can get it to go to the top of the kisul and the reason is there's a concept of mas says what's the pius of the shah so the go said that what the were telling was that you know the Jews believe that they're the chosen nation they say right the truth is the truth is I think it's just the opposite and I'll prove it to you. He [snorts] said, "Why do you think you're the chosen nation? Cuz Hashem gave you the Tyra, right? That's the whole idea. Cuz you gave us the Tyra." He said, "But when Hashem decided to give the Tyra, were you the first choice?" No. As a matter of fact, you were the last choice. So from the fact that Hashem went first to the woman and then he went to you must be you're lower on the totem pole. Literally, pun intended, you must be lower. You must be lower. meaning from the fact that Hashem went first to the only afterwards to you must be your less and you know I know that because think about it think of a mush if somebody tries to do a and he's told it's not for them you're not going to go to someone more you're going to go to someone less so the way it looks to us was Hashem went to you know whichever nation that he went to first by the way it's this week's par is right that's exactly what's going on in par so the goes and he offers it to the um when they rejected him and they told the sorry we have a good thing going it's not for us so say you know let me find someone who doesn't have such a good thing going and at some point eventually he said all right the last group of people I have is the Jews and that's why he ended up going to you but being that this is the way it works that's probably what happened over here and to that ribb Yeshua told him it's not the way it works it's not the way it works it's not the way it works I'll prove to you it's not the way it works and that was the response the second question the goyan says also from the deepest of the deep and that is the asked him what would be if somebody goes and he lends somebody money and then the loan goes bad would he double down doesn't make any sense right you don't put bad money after uh bad money so it would make more sense to try to find something else to do and Rabishu told him just the opposite sometimes a person wants to make himself whole from losses that he has so he doubles down a little bit like this now is he going to make money he's been he's going to recoup the losses that he already had told Rab Yeshua he told him that I don't understand you don't make any sense you Jews you know why because destroyed the the first Bikdash and when destroyed the Bikash he did it because the and then after 70 years of exile in to back and what did the Yidden do in the beginning and by the way this is a going that we've spoken at many many many many times but if you're not learning you're not going to speak out the whole context of So what does CL do? You ready? What does CL do? Last time we spoke this out was in Bokeh on Purim by Rebecc. But the bottom line is what did the came and they instituted and they brought a whole bunch of new after and this is what the go says that every single came about in the beginning of and everybody says every it can't be so it must be at least but the go says such a lion that's the lion of the girl that all the dabons came at that point they tell don't make any sense. So again, you couldn't keep you couldn't keep 613 mitzvah. So let me give you 8,000 mitzvah and minimum. It don't make sense. Why would you do that? And if you couldn't keep what you were obligated to keep, why would you give more? You're doubling down on a bad investment. That's what it sounds like. And Rabishua said it's just the opposite. Yeshua told him he said sometimes you have to do more in order in order to recoup losses or to prevent losses from happening in the future of is a way of protecting and it was during and wanted to take them back. He said, "If I'm just going to take them back, you're going to issue the same loan in the same way you issued the first. You're right. You're going to end up in the same place, but let's learn from our mistakes." And the way learned from what went wrong the first time was now we're going to double down with the abundance because the is not so much the it's to protect you from the by the way not for now obviously but the lus is the we always speak out that is not even it's only isra it's a way of of protecting the real iss which are right so regardless just two examples of some of the pmius and some of the that's going on and these Shilas as it relates to Rab Yeshua and his interactions with the case of Remy. We're on a part two. That's something that is we're going to get to at the end of the do. Before we do that,