Chulin 137

Today's do is and we are at the two dots 17 lines from the bottom of so we're moving along in pericious specifically the Mishna had mentioned that there are two that the have over the racial meaning at first glance the laws of the royal seem to mirror the laws of the racial. Both of them are both of them and both of them are stating that the Mishna said that is more than is the specifically in two ways. Number one is meaning it's all kosher animals be it cattle be it sheep or be it goats as opposed to is that's exclusive to sheep. Additionally, the laws of are it doesn't matter if the person goes and many animals or hects only a singular animal as opposed to the laws of that's only now what the definition of is that we saw but the bottom line is the Mishna said that although the laws of are very much in fact they mirror each other but at the same time the laws of are in two specific ways. On that note, Frank the listening. Why did the Mishna say have two over? The Mishna could have also mentioned that has a that doesn't have and that is that the laws of rage apply even if the sheep is a tra as opposed to the laws of do not apply if the animals a tra now rashi says what the mur is that is not betrayer but the gur assumes that is for sure no betrayer is not betrayer If that's the case, there's a that has over mention seem to suggest that only has over two has over with regards to how come the mission didn't mention that that is the first in today's you want to know why the mission didn't mention because the mission is the great as holds that is if so then like are potter in the event that the animals are hence you don't have the in over as it relates to it says my time what does the martim meaning how does know that there's no of animal that's it says ironically he learns it he learns it from it says just like we mention there's no to give it in the event that the animals are tra when it comes to if the animals are tra it's going to be Now if you're going to tell me that there's no animals is because he learns from where from why doesn't he then learn another he should also learn from it says the word in the context of it says the word okay what would you want to Just like that. So should be the same thing. Why did we learn in our and it's also in other words is if you're going to learn from you should also have to learn from now at first glance it's two different one is from the other one is from Truma but it seems that to the extent that the word tit is open for business. It's something that can be used for then you have to use it for any that to use it for. And just like we're going to use it to be to teach me that there's no so you should be to teach me that there's no inar. We know that's not the case. And if that's the case must be that there is no availability in the word to for not from Truma and not from if that's the case what is source that holds that is who we said is the town of our town of our that's why the didn't mention that as relates But the question is what is source? We thought it's knocked that out. says he learns but it's a different it's not but it's it says the word it says the word just like when it comes to that is that an animal that's a is exempt after so when it comes to it's going to be exempt as well says the word what's the how do you know that by mice of An animal that's a tra is exempt. It's learned that from a it says the way an animal became was it would walk underneath the shet. And we learn from there that the only time an animal is to the laws of is if the animal's physically able to walk as opposed to a which doesn't have the ability. Now to be fair not every trafa doesn't have the ability but there are some tra that don't have the ability gives an example an animal whose knee is severed that type of animal can't walk hence it can't walk but being that you find a concept of that can't walk we learn from there that every is exempt from the laws of bottom line is it says the word it says the word by we know by so when it comes from to teach me. Why doesn't he to teach me that? Now, what does it say? But the bottom line is why don't we say if that learns what's from my cause is to make maybe learn from and is actually even if the animals but there is no prolet when it comes to how does know to learner from he should instead learn from says the maybe the reason know that that if you're going to learn it makes more sense to learn from than to learn it from is now what's this far is just set up because is going to say that there seem to be a lot of commonalities between rage and micer in contrast to ra sages and bkar hence It makes more sense if you're going to learn you would learn it from a par that it's more similar to than a par that it's less similar to. Okay. How so? What are the similarities between and the now if you're keeping score is going to mention seven similarities. Most of these are that we already know. Number one as it relates to racial and they're both not only true by not they're true by they're both not only true by is true for and is true for in contrast to right that's what we're contrasting it to that's of course only additionally to is only true for kosher animals is only true for kosher animals as opposed to you can have it by a non-coser animal as well by that's the paramur is only like we saw in the Mishna you need 10 animals so it's also only as opposed to is not me and me don't have kadusha doesn't have kadush at all in fact it's only gets kadusha when it's as opposed to has kadush there's no racial and there's no mice when it comes to humans as opposed to human also has kadusha and are not by the firstborn. They're only by the pasha. They're only na by the children that follow the firstborn. Why? Because the firstborn you actually have to give to the kay. So there is no racial. You're not giving the first shearing to the kite. You're giving the whole animal to the kahim as well. It doesn't go into the pen. It's something that gets excluded. you go and you give it to the as opposed to we're and finally were both not mentioned before as opposed to the parish of was mentioned already in this was something told in parish but the bottom line is there's seven similarities that we just mentioned that and have in common all of in contrast to meaning all seven of those things that has in common with does not have in common. Hence it makes sense that if I'm going to learn I should learn a thing that has all these things in common with as opposed to that doesn't but says if you're going to go down this road I can argue as we're about to see there are similarities between racial and in fact there are even more similarities between racial and then there are between racial and so we said seven similarities between racial aay and we're going to mention now eight similarities between racial aes and what are they number one and are both by an animal that's a as opposed to we had this recently. If an animal's a it's excluded from if a person buys an animal as opposed to if someone has a now truth is if you remember that that was whether is something that's but going according to the that said only if you have a non-Jewish are you going to be part But otherwise, so there is a and of when it comes to if somebody gives somebody a gift as opposed to you're going to be potter is not that you give to the coin. Thear you give to the is not given to aim is wor as a carbon but it's kept by the bum similar to but it's not something that's given away and there is no of being right the is and doesn't have any as opposed to you have to go ahead and be mish you're allowed to sell and you're allowed to sell There's and says the Gmorra if you do the math and you count what we just mentioned and that is you have eight eight is more than the list of seven that we had earlier again that reached the gates from watch first thought we learn it from butar said if the word is open as And the case is only we know that's not the case says you learned from maybe that's says I know what you're going to tell me because there's seven similarities between and well there's eight similarities believe it or not between and oh by the way eight is more than seven. So the garra says learns from based on the fact that it's very similar I isn't it more similar to soar says yeah if you're going to count up all the similarities so you're going to end up with eight and seven eight is more than seven but held that qualitatively one of all these things that we mentioned we mentioned 15 similarities in total there's one really that's and that is that and are both and not the forceborn animal is the firstborn animal and that is the one that is the most to learn from. So from the fact that only by a because again you give the entire animal to the and is only by a because again you give the entire animal to the as opposed to is only the firstborn the between the and the is so fundamental one is only by a the other one is only by that's the one that trumps thus it makes more sense to compare to than it does to compare a tokar. And this concludes the very very first part of today's ds. Again, what was the first part of today's daf? Just finishing the Mishna had mentioned that even though at first glance seem to be similar two number one as opposed to is only by sheep. Additionally as opposed to only why don't we also say that in that it's betray as opposed to which is not the said who holds that there is no animals the sh was what is the first we thought we learn it from after further review the said we learn from says. So the mission said that the laws of only now the truth is that the mish the mentions of gay says gay usually means either sheep or goats. But when it comes to the mitzvah of it means and the wants to know what is the says the we learn the word that it says from the word that it says somewhere else. It says over here voracious gay and it says there and this is in just like over there it says the word gaze and it means sheep over here it's going to mean sheep. See right the word so usually means sheep or goats but if it says gaze oh now giza giza albeit from say and that's how I know that the is that it's only discusses how do you make between a in the are you able to learn from the second on the but either way that's said is the how you know that is only it's not Even by says of giza why don't we learn from meaning there is another place and this is in theor not in not there's a place in the where the uses the word you're not let do work with an ax that you have and you're not shear the wool off your sheep that's now in this price it sounds like there's How do you know that? When it says it means not only on the but even on the and when it says it means not only the it means the as well these two things together and from the says that's the to teach me that the is not only true it's true as well and is not only true it's true as well but what's the bottom line you see from here that when the said is even though literally it's referring to But it means the as well. So why don't we say various gaze learn from the word of the to teach me that it's going to be true for sheep. Oh, by the way, for goats as well and I would argue even for because it's true even for learn or from learn from says the can't be. You know why? Because the Tyra says, "What do you do with the says, "Give it to the coin." And sounds like, "Not just give it to the coin, but give it to him in a way, in a context that he'll be able to use it. He'll be able to use it for his g. He'll be able to use it for himself physically as opposed to only being able to use it as sacloth. So it seems that if you would go and shear the ax, the only thing you'd be able to use what you sure is you'd be able to use it as some sort of sack. But more than that, you want to be able to use it. And if the Tyra says, we know for sure it doesn't mean an ox. But the Gmorrah says, okay, so you knocked out ax. What about goat? We see that it means anything that it can mean. So let it include goats and if you would go ahead and you would shear the here off the goat that is something that you would be able to use it is so let it mean that I'll come upon him. So the Garra says the word giza technically means to share it with a sake to share it with a knife as a now when a a person goes and he removes the wool off a sheep he uses a sake as opposed if somebody's going to remove the here the feathers or whatever it is off the goat the way he's going to remove it he's going to remove it with his hand that's not the definition of giza and that's how you know it can't mean it can't mean goats it has to be not goat and the reason is because goat the word giza wouldn't apply Giza implies something that the der is to remove with a that's true for that's not true for go says the who is the author of this meaning you're saying you're saying that when the says gaze it means something with a da to remove it with a if however you would use it not in the sakin way oh in that situation we know it's going to be excluded so it says who is the author of of that raio it's raisi now who is this raioi So the truth is we're going to see rai in a couple of lines. This is in a of again we'll see much more about momentarily but for now let's just take the word for it and that is that there is a who holds of such a that if the would say and the is that would exclude because is not something that's removed with but the says here's my problem. We're going to see later that are going to suggest that even though such as just holds that if Giza for example is going to mean with a so if you would go ahead and you would remove something then it would be a problem meaning is telling me that you have to do it in a way if you would go ahead and you would remove it not in the way well in that case it would be excluded if however the thing that you're doing is so for example you're removing the with As long as it's to do that even though it's not Giza that in itself would be okay. Meaning as we're going to see the author of this of is the problem is even limited where he would ever say such a is only going to say this in the event that what you're doing is not then gay tells me oh and what you're doing is not it's going to be excluded but if to the extent that what you're doing is even if it's not giz even it's not within it's not going to be excluded. So the gar says you have to say that the how we know that the laws of gay are only by sheep but they're not by other animals. It's based on something said that if you look at the right after it mentions voracious gaze it's the very next theory mentions it's the very very next so the after mentions the concept of and we learn from there that the only time there's a gay is if the gaze now can be used for It's could be used for something in the BTS. Wool could be used in the BT house. So the big had wool in them. So it has to be true only for wool because the came off the things that were not used in the BTO. Hence that's how you know that it can't be used for that says the okay. So you're telling me now that what is the source? How do I know that is? based on what said it says right after the mitzvah of next the words and we know from there is only if I can make from it okay so the says so what then do I need from the from so started off the he said how do you know that is only sheep he said it says voracious and it says Now that you're telling me that it's learned out from it's learned out from the between the so anymore but it sounds like had this. So what is this being used for? a different that was taught in that was taugh you have a sheep where the wool of the sheep is very hard because it says we learned this that gaze has to be something that you can warm yourself with if the wool is soft then you can warm yourself in the soft wool if however it's hard you're not going to be able to warm yourself in it and that's what I use this for so just to come off a breath for one second. We're not really finished the second part of the but just to hit the pause button and do a tiny recap. The Mishna said it's only sheep. Little bit of gaze usually means sheep and goats. But when it comes to it's only and the question is the obvious question is and immediately said the very points I learn from the you see the word means but the had a little bit of an issue with that because the garra that there is another and this is a in the would seem to suggest that the word giza can relate to all different types of animals and even though really in this is referring to but at the same time that the is going on just as much as it's going on. So if that's the case, you see the word Giza could be referring to old that could be kachchin and even a so I would think it means a or avar said maybe you could tell me for sure is excluded because it's not going to be means that the coin itself would have to be able to use it. He's not going to be able to use it but the is something he should be able to use. So if that's the case, why not learn Giza Giza from the par and tell me that it should include not only sheep. So the said you're 100% right. can be that the of how I know that is because Giza Giza from the I would argue you shall learn Giza Giza from the parades. The wool of a sheep is used in the making of as opposed to as opposed to anything that would come off the what about that was coming to teach has to be soft as opposed to hard ball. But the bottom line is what is the short answer? How do you know is only right after the says very next and that is wool. wool that comes from a sheep. Either way, we mentioned earlier, right? But the garra threw in that um maybe we could apply that the perhaps how you know that is only and it's not because the says gaze gaze means means and the way the were removed was not it was moved. We mentioned that this is going to be discussed in somewhat detail. Here's the detail. right now says we learned in if somebody is so he removes the of the or he takes sheep not goats sheep and he puts them in water and because he puts them in the water so the wool falls off potter in both of these cases is going to be potter now really gazes are so easy and being potter is easy we know race is only that sounds like you removed the if you did it in this interesting way you did it in this unusual way says the problem is another that we know but if someone we have a steer if someone are you going to be that's the first that's the is a steer like it's not fair. One B is going to raon the other B is going to Rio. Who's this between the B? So it says in the in the par. So the in the parish of it says as follows. and this one has in it the as well says when it says we learn from there that the only time a person is obligated to leave whatever falls as that if it was if he was harvesting his field he was cutting using a utensil he was using a if however he was he did it with his own hands then you're not going to have this means has to be but if it wasn't then there's no says that the only time there's a parish of so again says they're saying the same thing right is the same thing says yes you have to do a A little bit of surgery on this Bryce. The whole price is really this is the way you have to read the you want to know because the of this is that is something that you're only going to be if it's either way in the laws of what does it have to do with the laws of specifically what does it have to do with this over here? So the beer in the Gmorra is as follows that the Gmorra holds that just like that it has to be. So too when it says vious would have to be and not using your hand right means with a ki as opposed to which is so has to be as opposed to if you went ahead and you did it as opposed if you went ahead and you did it with your hand that the says is going to be that's because he didn't do it and just like hold if it's So too there's not going to be in the event that you were as opposed to who apparently this is all one right it's all according to they hold even if you do it so even you didn't do it with even if you say that's going to go according So of fame turns and he tells him this was also something that was mentioned in the previous that as much as holds that's only if is not the regular way to do it but let's say you have a certain crop where the der is to reap this crop to do then ready is going to be how do I know the it's a talking he said I know this from the following he says now this is in the context of so means the the corner the edge of the field has to be lived to the it says so with regards to the it says now the as we mentioned is literally in the same as it's identical that we were just talking says talking from the fact that it says I would think that the only time is if you used a a utensil, a sickle, whatever the kay is to go ahead and beer. What if the person went and he ripped the roots out of the ground? How do you know you would be says, "How do you know you'd be if you tore it out even without uprooting it?" It says now at first glance says makes this huge deal about that the only time is if it's done but if it's not and here he says that when it comes to then no even if you do it you're going to be what must the be the must be in one case it's the to do a in the other case it's It's not you're going to be part says was there and he told I have a saying from it's not but it's a how so this mission is in the third parago and it discusses a situation where somebody had a patch of onions he had rows of onions and in Between the rows of onions, he had different uras, different vegetables that were growing. And the question is right now he wants to leave pa for all his does he leave one share pa or being that each row is interrupted. So maybe each row is its own. So says in the event that the person has rows of in between these different says you have to get pay for each one say no you don't have to give for each one. You could do one for all. But here's the point. Says Ravino, how does a person go ahead and even pluck? He doesn't do it with a sickle. He doesn't do it with a kale. He does it with his hand. So why are we having the conversation of pa? Why are we having the conversation of of pa? It must be it must be because is that in the event that the is to go ahead and to do it with your hand in that situation you are in fact going to so prove from says I can prove it from saying the same he says I know from he's saying I know from is always a little bit better than that's not only from a bryer, right? The bryas weren't as edited and therefore not as authoritative, right? In an argument, a bryer can win an argument, but not on the level of a Mishna that you should know it's not only Bryce, it's a Mishna. And by the way, we spoke so much about this in the beginning of the Masaka, but this is like a a classic snapshot of how the Pavli is going down where Ravashi is working on the shas and figuring out this is Raoi and he has his two right-hand men. He has rava and ramakabashi and raashi right we spoke about the unsung hero of but either way this concludes the second part of today's d moving along the so going back to the so we said that one of the of is that it's only it's not right there were two that cave ahead over number one as opposed to is only the other one was as opposed to only now what was the it's an excerpt from our Mishna and Bishame said two sheep said five bishame said two I know from a paraglass means more than one but how many oh you see it means two says I know it from see what's the it's not two but rather the is says I understand meaning the gar is just wondering you know so why is say why is basil say So says B actually makes sense because although you see from that five sheep means sign but from you see that two also means sign the punch line is not sign you see that two is also sign so it makes sense he should learn from that even two but according to B it's true you see five is sign from but you see two is sign from is said let me tell you what Bul meant to say was in the he says he didn't just mean oh you see five no meant more than that he was learning the word what does mean it was an extra word what it's coming to say is is that when you have five there's two mitzvah that you can do what are the two mitzvah Thus you see from here that when you have five when you have five that's when you're going to be in two mitzvah which other mitzvah you're going to be in the other mitzvah that you're going to be in is it going to be in other words we know we know even for one what the is saying is when you have five now already in two mitzvah There's an additional mitzvah that and that is the mitzvah of so it's not just that he sees the word five and sign for that price is saying good I'll show you a where I see two end sign is a lim the lim is that when you have five is now two mitzvah you didn't need five for that now that it's five there's another mitzvah what's the other mitzvah the other mitzvah is going to be the mitzvah of says the But maybe the two mitzvah that we're referring to when we say is the right are two mitzvah that you have but the says we know for sure for one. So it can't be that this when you have five now you're also going to bear because for sure you with one and for sure you with one but the says according to but according to you when you had one as well and if that's the case so how could the say right told a little bit that when you have five now you're in two mitzvah that's not true when you had one you were and two mitzvah. But what does it sound like? When you have five sign, then you're two mitzvah. That's the way the gumar's understanding. That's interpretation of before you have five, you're not. When you have five, you are. It's not true. Even before you have five with one and even with one you can't or now that you have five now you're going to be two because you were two even before you had five you were two when you had one again what's the says that what is the is five because it says at first glance what it seems to be saying is five What do you mean it's good but saying better say that maybe it means something else he means that the way that when you have fine it's not true even before you have fine says he always gets the last word he said let me explain to you what this means what meant to say was not when you have five before you had five but when you have five now it's to do something there's five sheep literally are telling the person little poetry get up and do a mitzvah what is the means there's some mitzvah that's when you have five what's the mitzvah it's not for one it's one it must be the mitzvah now I could have thought it's two based on but this is coming to tell me that it's first and that is what when said this Joshua so in the what is the of said it's two said it's five said it's two said it's fine understood what meant was Because you see the word five next to the word it says but this sh is saying better because although you see five is called that's something that you see from the say maybe means that when you have five you see before you have five says take three when you have five what is the mitzvah must be ra again there were three interpretations had on the st in the mishna either five and just the juxosition of the two or when you have five mitzvah or the final and that is that when you have five say mitzvah they literally tell him get up and do a mitzvah okay so now we understand fact we understand the two says definition of two says the definition of maruba is five stating that there's a third sheet of send the name of his father who is that right? So what did he say? He said the is four as the says it says the four means for says respectively meaning and the opinion of over here means had I would listen to ifra and was coming from I would have preferred and certainly that perspectively then there's no question in the world I'm going to go like so in a pretty dramatic way gets up and he says that I know bisham I know It's not two, it's not five. You want to know what it is? It's four. And by the way, by the way, it's like not even what I'm saying because learning from and learning from is learning it from so makes sense. But I want you to know that even if it was in the reverse order, I would have said the same thing. If was and was I still would have gone with that it's this way. But I would have done that as well. Now the question is why? The question is is why? So there's like an unspoken that theor is making as thinks that is because it's a because there's an idea of being there's a concept of and it feels like is being but the said if that's because he's being a that when the is a third it's not considered it's a long rash here. When you have one opinion is one way, the other opinion is another way. Then somebody comes and he says as follows. I'm gonna hold sometimes like you sometimes like who then we say but when the is a new we don't say in so like how would it play itself out in this so says marub is two bas says five if or would have came and would have said you know sometimes is two and sometimes is five oh so we would say but that's not what did said it's four is not two and it's not I don't understand rebi's coming with such a pump that for sure is like and even though it's like not even such aish what I'm saying but you should know I would say it even was probably based on the rule I don't think this is an example of soar said was something completely friend. It's because knew that had a from that this is the way it was and it's for that reason that he went ahead and he passed like yo. So the bottom line is this concludes the third portion of today's daf and that is what's the definition of maruba is a two or five bish learns it from basil learns it from Alf we had three different interpretations of what the is but at the end of the day we saw there's even a third it's the raioi and rebi made a very big deal about how is likei and the maso it's because raio's of four has a either way going back to the Mishna. The Mishna mentioned that said that the only time is if somebody goes ahead and he shears five, but it has to be a weight of wool that came off of each one of these. So it' have to be one and a half times five in order to have what said no. As long as it's a co that in of itself is going to be okay. The next part of the Mishna was the right how much of it do you physically have to go ahead and give the right that's how much wool you need in order to be now how much do you give the so that the Mishna said it was one it's the weight of five slum in Yehuda which is the equivalent of 10 slum in the gal but as it relates to how much wool there needs to be in order for there to be of it's between Ben Hinus And the according to it's one and a half mana times five seven and a half mana according to it's ach. So what's the question? How much is a culture? Now first glance sounds like a culchain is a cult stating that is going to bring fouras now and then we're going to see even more shittas. So this is really going to be the whole final stretch of the d trying to figure this out. So how much is a culch is the first manu a kosh was manu press. So wasn't that the sheet of hinz? has said that each one of the five have to have a mono press the saying that as long as the five together have a monopress that's going to be okay. Now by the way kchain usually means a culchain. In this case it's kchain relatively speaking meaning you hold that you need five where each one is a no as long as together they make up a monopas that's going to be fine but raed one line but you need that each one of the should have in it of the monopress. So it has to be a monopress in total. Well, it could be more obviously a monor, but you also have to make sure that there's no one of the five that itself is less than a fifth of a monopress works out what the exact math is. But you need that each one should be at least a fifth of a monopress. But the bottom line is the first what is the definition of chain? It's a monop. It's the weight of 60. And how much you give to a you give one cellar by the way is going to say you give five that are 10 in the but for now says you give one cell to he's the third and he sent the name of the great is it's not 60 like said but rather it's six gives five to the what the said and he gets to keep one for himself and finally the name is ache Right. So he can't come up with all these big fancy is says by the way even ash is one cell at least it's one cell. So again what are the fouras as it relates to kshin ra says a monop in total says 60 said six are literally which seems to say is at the very least it's one says we went how much do they actually give it's the weight of five which is the equivalent to 10 so says like this according to and according toan I understand the Mishna why said murish that you're supposed to give of the six five to the that was literally the Mishna we pointed that out when we read inside Rav never got involved in it but ra allows for you to be able to give five slum now to the so according to Rab and said what the Mishna says and Rab there's no reason to assume doesn't hold what the Mishna says but according to who said that you give one cell one out of the 60 to the who said that the whole is a sellah how in the world do you learn the Mishna so again the word khu it seems to be open to interpretation but at the end of the day how are you going to learn the next part of Mishna the next part of the Mishna that said that you give five to the that could work according to It's and can't work and says the answers a question with a question according to you is so to you but both said so apparently there's another where said that the rage is 160th so 160th of the Giza is what you're supposed to give to the kay Now what's Rav shittita as it relates to raas? So Ravita as relates to ra is a monopress which means what is the shittita of how much you're supposed to give to the ken? It's 160th of a monu 160th of a monopress rashi does the math is going to be less than five slot. So if that's the case, if that's the case, according to Rabakash as well, it's true. Rav said Manu press, which could be so five of slums worth of the Manu press, right? Manu press is like 37 and a half slum. Rashi does the math. So from the Manu press to give five slum to the coin, that's something that can work. But the problem is Rav said it's 160th and 160th of a man press is going to end up being less than the five slum. So the gar says according to it's also right it's according to ra as well. So the gumar says you have to say it's false. But the truth is that we already have a terrorist. We have a terrorist answer. We have a ter to answer everything and that is both said that when our Mishna says that you give five slum we're talking about that has a gracef and he has a lot a lot a lot of wool and he wants to go and give me we told him that if you're going to go ahead you're going to start tailing you're going to start giving to make sure that each person's going to get at least five meaning there's no shear that ra had to be five salon there's no such share There's also share according to you have even if you only have one cell's worth of wool to begin with according to the she is one cellah even rau said that you have to have a monopress but you only have to give 160 after that which is less than five the means that if you have a lot and you're going to go start distributing it make sure each kind gets at least five so it's not a she it's a sh that when you're distributing a lot Give each at least five where it says. So we just mentioned a moment ago that both said, right? It's always newsworthy when Raven both say they usually disagree, but ram both said that is 160th. By the way, they also said the trum is 160th. And finally the pa is 160th says the trumish. Now is that true? that of the is now as relates. Okay, we just talked about that a little bit. We have no reason to assume that's not the case. That's the we already reconcile the time we learn to right the over there says that when it comes to the shar as follow someone that gives gives 140th someone that gives gives 160th gives 150th. So how can you tell me it's 160th is 140th. Now Rashi and Tyus both asked the obvious question. Maybe they're talking about like the minimum share. They're talking about the iron. So Rashi says it's not that Ra giving you the raw guy. So they probably would tell you or maybe the how could you say therefore that it's 160th which would probably be the talk about we know is 140th. So theor says now could be they talking about the could be it's 160th it's only that it's 140th in other words when the says that's discussing the what's 16th but everyone knows it's not true said and one of said really knocks the whole thing out. So the Gmorra says you're right. When it comes to the real went ahead and they made by foods that such as dog over there they said 140th but when the went in and they imposed the on things that only they meant 160 60th and that's what were referring to when they said the someone that gives off would give 140th. But that's only true if he's giving for something that the minis such as if however he's giving for something where the min is not the itself is only then it's 160th and that's what we're referring to. Once again we know what race that gay bashim is. It's 16th not that the talked about it's 16th we know what now is it's the for that the entire institution of only what's the last says maybe the most famous of all time. So we know there's no sh to pay. How can you tell me 160? Says there you write is 16. It means the littlest amount is already enough. But that's the second. actually the next year. So over there that even though you should give one succeed this is something that we already know the mission over there is talking about init of giving 160 says the went from bubble teron saw learning with his son and he was learning aishna and he was learning a paric it was our and he said as follows the sheet of and he told him you're not teaching your son properly you shouldn't teach him but you should tell him so is I think I'm right. It says not I know in the you learn it would be but you're learning it should be. So just met and now they're going to have a conversation turns to he tells him tell me who's so who we know was ra's name was right was his name maybe his name was Rav but um the bottom line is he was very tall and tells you're referring to as do you know he is how could you call I remember I remember I was in yeshiva together with and I remember I said we were in sheer together from the greatbi ra was and I sat 17 rows behind that's how much bigger than me ra was and I remember that ra used to talk and learn to rebi and it was like sparks that emanated from his mouth and it the and vice versa. And I had no idea what they were talking about. And you call him, how could you call? How could you call? He was like the tall Abba. How could you call him that? You know how great he is? I remember how great he was back in the day. I sat 17 rows behind him. He used to talk and learning to. I had no idea what they were talking about. How in the world can you refer to him as that? Either way, the Gmorra says turns and they're having this uh fascinating conversation. He tells him, "By the way, you know, I'm learning the students of now with my son. What's the 60 then?" So he told him, "How could you say it's 60? The is the is not 60. The sh is he told him mean if if I don't know how to learn a Mishna differently than you do. So then what's the difference between me and you? Meaning I know the mission says kolchin but just because the mission says kshchen doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be kshen right doesn't necessarily have to be kshen kolshen can be open to interpretation and you want to know what I think the shir is I think the shir is 60 now this is very pertinent to the way this part of the started because we started the call we had fouras we had that said manu said it was said And said means literally ash here in this what does himself say that was as opposed to his own which was really the is going to discuss this says became married said as follows as it relates to says it's six Now we have to take this ini comes he says that ra says shish we had rav holds manu was the one that said shish and said that is what the original said five of which you give to the right but not like the second himself said in this he said it's really comes back to and he meets tells that with what you just that you should know you answered a cash that we had but you also opened up another cash. You close one door, you open another door. Meaning, you know what? You just answered. We had a stean because we had that Rabanon said that meanh we also had in the ma within said that it's oh now I know the terrorists because you just said oh itself must be but in the name of his he said so it's not within Because the terrorist is that's in fact you actually answered because we had a steer because we knew said six and here we knew 60. You just answered the but you just you just opened up a door because we knew was and you just said that is really and you just said 60. So the say the rabb like it's not fair you know why my says the gumar when ra said monopress his bum slime was the weight of 40 slum his weight 40 slum if that's the case what's a monopress it's 40 * 1 and a half which is 60ish it ends up being the same exact shear of shishm says vigara vano mono our bun. But does that make sense? Would a refer to a mana as being 40 some? That's not usually what the share of a man is. So all of a sudden now the ma is going to be made up of 40 says in there's actually a precedent to this from a time to if somebody has a a new flask. This flask was never used and it has a hole in it. And the question is being that it has a hole. It wasn't fully sewed yet. So it's not a kad. It's not really. So even if the hole is not that big meaning it's if you put pomegranates inside of it you'd be able to hold the pomegranates is it would be meaning it's not even though it's but that's not what you're using it for. You made this not for using it for other things and it's for that reason using it for mashkin not for and you can't use mashkin because there's a hole inside. So therefore it's not going to be tough. Let's say you already sold the whole thing. So then is if it has a hole as long as the hole is not big enough that it that it can't hold is that it's going to remain. So there is a shear that if it can hold it's going to be a kali. But that's only if it was a kali and then there was a hole inside of it. But if the hole was made then even if it's able to hold that's not going to be of said that as it relates to the shear of a neck to be that poor it's not whether or not it could hold if it can hold it it's star if it could hold it's a problem but rather it's if it can hold like a ball of the chassis thread so then it's considered a k if not it's Okay. And what is the shear of this? This is really the punch line of what we need. It's 1/4 of a slum. That's 40 slum. So it's 1/4 of 40 slum which is really 10 slums. So if it's the size of 10, that's what it it's not could it hold a not hold. It's could it hold the chassis. But we just need one thing. What's the shear of the chassis? It's so you see clearly there is a concept of a man that's made up of 40. Therefore to go ahead and say that when said it's the same it's not so because do you ever find a that talks about a man as being slum the answer is yes and that's over there. So there is a precedent for that. So the bottom line is going back to the Mishna again what is the shear of how much wool would you have to have in order to be a and also how much of the you actually have to give to the gut. So the mission of said five that's as relates to it's five each one has to be a monopas said it's achain after further review it's anything but in fact we had four sheetas let's revisit the fourth sheet the first one was monoas it's a monoas which we now know means that the monopas is really the shear of 60 slum because ra's mono is a ben arbom slum so monopas the sixth Islam and he added this point that each one has to have in it at least one but in terms of in terms of the actual the is what did say the is and you give one to the now one second and both saying the same thing right is so What's now? You could say one thing. Maybe the is maybe doesn't hold, but we know it's not true because there's three things that are true and we know. So he also holds you give 160th. So what is the some say that maybe the is the second thing that said not the second thing that said the second thing that said that's each one has to be oneif of the 60 at least as opposed to going to you don't have to have that but either way the first two is really the same it's 60 right you give the five you keep one for yourself now we saw by the way that this wasn't so posh either because we also said 60 and the came right to he answered this question because this is in the name of that hold but what does hold he really also holds 60 so as it relates to the sh of 60 it's ram and when you start the rav holds holds holds six but after learning the gum that's when you learn but when you learn the gam rav holds 60 holds 60 can hold 60 ra holds 60 say monop it means 60 says said 60 whatever he said six no that's is and then the last sheet is that it's a regular but the bottom is it's three either the shear is 60 or the shear is six or the sh is literally a kosh how much do you physically have to give the cen right what's that sh that you physically have to give so it's 160th that's what the sh is ei the said five so the was the said that when the mishna says five what it means is that in the event that you have a lot and now the sh is had a distributor and make sure that each kind is going to get five. But in terms of what the sh is, the sh is really not five. The sh is 160th and that's in line with the sh of that you find in the world of truma or be it where do you find it by truma? So either the raw by allum or that's still when you're dealing with food that's only of how much even the person should give but the only is where else you find the you find the by right so the number is always a big number right that's always a 160th of this 160th of that You find this in and the number 60 in our this is a very important sh the is and we are going to stop They