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Today's
and we got three lines from the bottom
of
so yesterday or we began the 10th
and the P really centers around one in
says
If somebody a member of the of the
nation is going to an animal the says
whether it's a or whether it's a
he has to give
from the what does he give the four
legal themes
on that note the gar begins with a
classic
matanto
would give
he would give the
but rather than give it to a he would
give it to a
who was married says Rashi to a
held that when the says
kayen is you can give it to a khenis as
well you can give it to someone that's
the son of a kay who himselfves a kayen
or you can give it to someone that's the
daughter of a kayen who's only a bas
kayen
took this one step further and said that
even if this bas is now married to a
even then you can give it to her. Why is
that a bigger? Because we know that is
that a basa but a bos that marries is
not a lattum because her nuin to a to a
degree is mighty her from the bias of
her father and as a result she's not
treated as a bas anymore as it relates
to stating that she's still a so when
the tyra says means even thus he would
give it to even a bas that was married
to
so asked in other words what is saying
is that what it says in the Torah
is but rather is included in the word
one of the basic in
101 is that when a brought a carbon it
says in the Tory that it was not allowed
to be eaten stating that the says that's
only the
not the of
if you're gonna tell me that where if it
says the word means as well. The Tyra
says,
"So even why is it that
is
it should be included in the
sobi
from that you're trying to prove that
the word means only and not from that PK
itself or from that par from that
context is the answer to your question
because if you look at the general
context in that it says
and being that
for that reason we say that it has to be
meaning if the word
then
that's why that
by the mitzvah of
Why by
does it mean
it says it's not because it says it's
because it says
argued with and they held that wherever
it says in the it means the word it
means so that as it relates to this
you can't give it to a bas who's married
to Israel because you have to give it
really to ah I how do I know that from
the
of
it says true
once I see over there the Tory says and
the clarified it means so now that's a
for everywhere else in the Torah where
it says the word it means
they used to learn like that you can
give the and the even to a
that's married to Israel. Now said
what's the reason for it? Because even
though it says in the co means even
not that way they held that wherever it
says it means because they held like
that we learn from
where there says and it means like the
clarifies.
So if that's the case, so why is it with
regards to this royal you could give it
to
the Torah doesn't just say that you
should give this royal and gave it to
the once it says it twice. It says
that's one
that it says it twice.
So at the end of the day there seems to
be in the whether you can give this
royal
to a
that's married to Israel or not and in
the of
they held
you can give it even to a
they held you can only give it to a you
can't give it to a but as it relates to
and
both of whom held that you give it could
give it to a basen it
This is going to be important when we
speak out some raid later in the came
from different angles. said that you
know why you're allowed to give it to
because it says and wherever it says in
the it means even there are places where
it says it doesn't mean that's because
over there it says
the would have to clarify otherwise but
if it says the word
means even
felt not that way in his yeshiva they
learned that really always means and
means
the reason you can give this
even to a is because in this didn't just
say the word once it said it twice it's
a double negative then which is a
positive
one
I gave it to to teach me that you have
to give it to that you can give it even
to
was married to and he himself used to
eat from this royal
It sounds like people would give it to
Raana. How do you give it to him? The
says terror says like he held like they
held in the
you're allowed to give this royal even
to and even if she's married to
I heard from
that was yesterday's d that a le does
not have to give
because we have a suff whether the ley
is called and the Torah says
being that it's a it's a
that's the first line of today's
and finally
that we didn't have yet
that has a child
doesn't have to do which is but that's a
conversation for another day
that's not for right now either way the
brings a which is going to bring us back
to some of the difficulty that we
learned earlier in the
but the is going to mention it
fleetingly so we'll do the same thing
or
either way
says
if you have this breed this hybrid that
came from a a and a goat and a sheep
however that's the
so two things first of all The Torah
says very clearly that when do you have
to give.
So from there we learn that the only
time you have
is by a not by a even though sometimes
are used interchangeably and from a
20,000 foot view they're sort of similar
both important members of the animal
kingdom. But when it comes to there's
some very important
There's by there's no there's a
there's no when it comes to a as relates
to the is both and the mitzvah of
thing that the says in is only by it's
not by thus the discuss what would be if
you have this hybrid
animal that was born from a mixed breed
or which comes from a mix of a and would
there be
or not? That's the surprises again
that you have the mitzvah both and
says
if both parents of the animal are that's
the significance of
then you're going to be
why because being that both parents are
this animal is a even though it's But at
the end of the day, it's a behavior. I
mean that it's you have
I maybe the fact that it's should
somehow exempt it from
involves there's nothing to talk about
is not let be put on the there's a
concept of when it comes to certain
mitzvah like
but as it relates to this there's no
reason that because this animal is that
that in it of itself should be a reason
that there should be no
cave stating that If it's
if one of the parents is
argues with the and he says you're going
to be from the now what's the so the
truth is we could have a whole block of
gumar right now to discuss it and in
fact the already discussed it in very
very great detail the touched on some
very difficult
when it comes to
what the here is going to do is thear is
going to tell us the mas of what the Gar
came out when it went through this
earlier more than 50
says the
we already established earlier
that this between
which relates to the
we're not learning of so we'll focus on
the part of this so this
whether
or not is
It's where there was a
male that was
female meaning the mother of this animal
was a behemoth the father was a
and both
who argued whether
or not agree that it's a suffic whey
that had a lot of implic applications
when we learn
but they both agree that it's a okay
what then was the
is whether when the says
does that mean you have to be a
full-fledged or could you be even a
that's why is
why because at the very least that the
mother of this animal is a so this
is for sure ace
is a that's enough to be
is it a full-fledged set it depends on
whether
then it's a full-fledged set
then you do have to reckon with the fact
that this father is and as a result it's
not going to be but as it relates to
there's nothing to talk about. That's
why the say you have
you don't say
you have to be a full-fledged and being
that we have a suffic whether this
animal is a full-fledged because
you do have to look at the the father's
it comes out that it's a
it's for that reason the is you can't be
animal you can't be the
In other words,
whether you say that
or not is talking by is where the father
was the the mother was an animal and
it's over there that say because
I have a set theor says
I have a set I so all I have is a mixer
It's according to
who holds
it comes out. It's a suffic whether I
have a full-fledged or not.
I have a full-fledged
I have a
it's a thus you're not going to be but
asks
I understand
as a result you have a suffic There's no
way you're going to be this person in
the going through
even if they
should only have to give half
it sounds like when you have
you have to give the whole thing. Why do
you have to give the whole thing only
have to give half? Because really you
only know for sure that you have a on
the other
it's really so you have a suffix on the
other half meaning you have a suffic on
the other half.
So be for half because
but by definition means you should only
be so why do the say that
100%
but
that
all you have is so I understand
that part the understands that's
beautiful that was the mas but here the
is asking a different why
on the other half. Why don't you say on
the other half it's a suffic
and say
just like
that doesn't have to get why we're not
as it relates to the half of the
according to the should half you should
be and half you shouldn't be so what's
the in short the said that is Sounds
like you have to give 100% of the noise
is you should only have to give half.
You could say a simple answer
didn't mean you have to give 100%. What
it means is all you have to do is give
is this mixed breed between and as a
result sometimes you find in we treat it
like sometimes like sometimes as
we treat it like of
we treat it with regards to like the
How is it?
Like the
just like the
what about with regards to the noise? So
that's already
if it's true that
the other half there's a suffix.
So shouldn't the price have said that
according to
the says I hear I did the 20
being that we mentioned the fact that is
awesome.
So to be consistent, the Bry said or
didn't say the word despite the fact
that in truth it could have said the
word and by not saying it is a little
bit misleading. He also
when came from he reported that said
that according to the is in all the mat
not in all the matim
with everything that we just said the
way we broke down the really all you
know for sure is that it's a on the
other
it's a
that
So it comes out
of the answer.
It says in the Torah with regards to
this.
Why did the Torah say? Says the word is
it could have said. Why did it say
the point is that being that it's
learned from a so the word teaches me
that you're not only
everything if the way we know that is by
doing back of the envelope arithmetic
and saying well I know what is cuz I
learned of
remember the mule and the h and all
those so if that's how you're coming to
it you're right you can't be more than
half because at the end of the day
you'll be stuck with a suffici you'll
say
you can't more than half but Robin came
back and he said a novel came in the
name that I have a to be oh once I have
a to be that's already a game changer
says the reba
who holds that is now that we're telling
me that the is from when the word so
what's going to do with the word
it's coming to teach me why the said
because had the said
I would have thought you have to and the
in order to
You need a set to trigger the
obligation, but one or the other. Maybe
not.
Which is a segue to the next because
really it's learned from the next
Mishna. What's the just to at least
touch the words and that is we mentioned
this briefly yesterday that If she an
animal on behalf of Shim. So even though
it's Shim's animal, but the is the one
that has the
so the can go over to the and say you're
a I want you to give me this. I'm a but
I work for somebody else. I got paid by
the hour. What do you want from me?
Doesn't matter. The is that the is the
one that's responsible. Now the goes to
the owner and works it out. But the
point is
you can go now to the and and try to get
what's yours. That's out from the
emphasis of
that the person that you're supposed to
be going to the one that's on the hook
that has the obligation to make sure
that the is getting what's coming to him
is the actual either way on that note.
So the first
in the peric said that
if that's the case you have an animal
that's a it has
it's not going to be in the what happens
if there were 100 animals that got mixed
up. One of them is aar. So that one
that's akar is from
the other 99. So how do you treat this
depends
with 100 animals 99 of which are not
if the 100 animals belong to 100
different people each one's going to be
each one has a to say that the one that
I'ming is the thus he can tell the I'm
not giving you the if one of them owns
all 100 Then one of them is going to be
potter but he's going to have to give of
the 99 because 99 of them are really
another
if somebody an animal on behalf of a or
a non-Jew we saw this yesterday
and the reason is because being that a
of course doesn't have to givea
therefore even though the one
is someone that's obligated in
even though we just spoke out. So really
the one that has the obligation to
is always the buting a person's animal
that himself is not
thus the will be partner as well. A
third
if somebody's a partner with a so we're
going to see in the Gmorra is going to
discuss this in detail that if uh you
have a co and is that together so is the
of the exempts this animal completely
100% from stating that they could be a
marion issue because you're going to
have a y who's a nobody knows he has a
silent partner who's a
co and he's not going to give the
he has to make some hecker so that
people don't think that he's violating
this in the
what happens if somebody buys an animal
from a animal is the he buys it from the
animal and the he buys it from the and
the ken tells him that I'm selling the
animal to you but I'm not selling the
matis to you so then he's part from the
mat doesn't own it if the cen left it
back for himself then naturally he's
going to bear
if someone says Somebody walks into we
saw this yesterday as well and he says
tell sell to me the intestines of a
mat inside
is he has to give to the
and he can't go back to the and say I
want you to make me whole you know I
bought intestines from you I bought and
then there was the ka and I had to give
the ka to the kay so can you make me
whole for that which I had to give to
the kans he's going to say what do you
mean you're you're a Jew and you
understand that it says in theory
But you knew this walking in. So when
you paid what you paid for what you got,
it was understood that you weren't going
to get 100% of it. As a result, I don't
owe you anything.
If however, he came to him and he said,
"Will he send me a pound of he sell me
all the so included in that is the thus
he can't come to a later. But if he just
said, will you wave for me x of the
bayam?" So then I could say that I
didn't expect you to give me that which
I was going to have to give to the and
so that reason is he can force the
afterwards to make him the first of the
was that if a an animal was with other
animals that are not if all the animals
belong to different people each person
is from
sounds like a but that's incidentally
what's
on each person there's a sophic
called
parish each person should say his animal
is not a ter is
we pass like
so it's a combination of
but either way so is is that each person
can say it's only a sophic
doesn't Where can I get that's
101 as a result I'm not obligated to
give you everything anything but the ask
the great the comes over to the Israel
and he says you have an animal I'm
entitled to this
and I want it tell the person is going
to say listen I don't know for sure that
this is cool and it might be a mean that
it might bear is I don't have to give
you this what's
you have to give the whole animal to
you
That's the Gmorra's way of saying
if it's then he has to give him
and if it's he has to give him the whole
animal. So how is this that it's a
to say that you don't have to give this
royal
you have to say you have to make a whole
the case is is with a already got this
meaning this that was with the other
animals was a that was given to a then
the sold it to isol which he's allowed
to do. So being that he sold it to is at
this point the kay's not entitled to it
anymore. So now the only question is is
from this taru of animals is he entitled
to this not he is from 99 of them he's
not from the one the title was that the
one that he's not entitled to this isn't
he entitled to the whole animal he was
once titled to the he once had the
animal he had sold it back and being
that he had sold it back had a now eat
it but the point is he had sold it back
and it's for that reason he doesn't have
the only tina at this point that he
would have is the tina of gim give me
this
is being that it's a suffic even though
there's a 99 out of 100 says that the is
that
and it's for that reason you don't have
to give him excel so before we go v and
learn a very nice
just one so the d began with a's memo
used to give matnos
specifically this
not to a he would give it to the
daughter of a who was married to Israel.
Then the Gmorra says that in the
also in that way
and other then brings from other
stating that the Gmorra said it was a
desending view.
as it relates to this. You can give it
to a meaning
even if she's married to
and if you give it directly to the
husband
even that's good says
meaning if it's true that you can give
the
tok
says what's also going to be true is
that if you have a who's married to a
basen you're going to be part of from
giving
In other words, in it's not like
but rather like
and like
and
this right here says
this is brought down specifically with
regards to one type of and that is it
says in the and is you can give it even
And the way
about other declares for example so is
that if you have a firstborn child
assuming you meet all the criteria you
can check off all the boxes is you have
to be you give to a are you allowed to
give the
to a bas who's married to Isl
the terret is it's
says I think it's going to be in the
today's said that
the same exact but we saw in the we
spoke this out and we said this is going
to be important when we come back to the
raid this is the raid that there's two
different in the why it is that it would
be okay to give the
to said the reason is because it says in
the
means even meaning the word is it means
even there's so many times but means no
he says if you look at those par says
no. But if it just says and it doesn't
mention so it doesn't say male members
of this tribe can be even the female
members
that's what said
they held not that way they held means
why is it that you can give
even because over here it says the word
twice
and then it says again
you have two of
says there's two and why you can give it
to said because
said it's because really means but the
said twice
if that's the case it says in the you
have to give it to a but only says it
once it doesn't say IT TWICE SAY
ACCORDING to that says you'd be able to
give even to a basket even to
so if you want if you make you have a to
give it to you would have no problem
doing that
no if it says the word twice it means
it's here where it says twice
and then it says again but by the
doesn't say it twice thus over there
it's going to be says
so that it could be that when the said
he
so what does mean you can give it but
now I was saying there's a tremendous
between what said and the way they
learned in the same exact
it could
is not just you can give it to but
it's because
you'd be able to give to you wouldn't
have to give it to
it's not either it's not even a bless
but either way but either says
it's really it's really
the in the end of the first
says that you have to give the
says
now the truth is that is not referring
to that's a pious that's talking about
the special that took place in the
midbar.
But the bottom line is it's fur
and it says he found that the rush in
his says the same thing and
that as it relates to you have to give
it stating that says there is a
it's one
says not that way over there says
used to takeen
and he would take a sud for now that's a
very lish very important gum but the of
the over there is is that even though
has to be five and aud
therefore he was able to take the sud in
lie of five this is the inverse of bit
Even though the has value but I'm
so you can take something that has value
and with your mind with the power of
your take devalue it it works in the
reverse as well and that's what did took
a sa that had no value and he said to ME
IT'S SO AND HE WOULD TAKE IT as
by the way right
smash this was a taking who do you give
to you give it to
because the says
used to take this because he was MARRIED
TO
HE HIMSELF was afraid
by answers and it's first
who was a like most people whose last
Khana you would think was a and there
was that was a that's
but then there was also
days that was there were two different
WHAT DID THE SAY DOESN'T say was a
doesn't say he At the first the didn't
say
he lived after the Gom doesn't say he
what does the Gar say the says used to
take OKAY MAZ OUR SAYS HE ALSO TOOK this
in THE CAVE WHY DID HE TAKE this royal
in the cave because HE WAS MARRIED TO A
BAS OKAY SO FOR THE SAME REASON HE was
able to take the pion WHAT WAS TIK WHY
WASN'T WHAT'S TASHI EVEN TA has a steer
here the says he took mis he took
here took the same it's because he was
MARRIED TO HE WAS WASN'T SURE ABOUT THIS
was
shar
is not sure about the shy the first that
was forced to be that clearly he held
that of doesn't apply to but the second
says then maybe not maybe just like the
gammorra says with regards
You can take maybe when it comes to you
can do the same thing. The bottom line
is comes out
and then the first I have a Russian
the first
that all seem to say very clearly that
this of
I don't know if I'm pronouncing that
right. too many but
that's only but as rel
says not that way but I'm going to tell
you and that is
and this is
so he wrote a tru as follows he said
so that's the poetic way of saying two
to four weeks
never leave
that they were saying over in a certain
in my name
said that it's it was told to me that
there's a rumor being spread in my name
the name of that it's okay to give pig
to someone that's a as long as he's
married to a bas
and I sent to go to that and say that I
never said this
but I heard that this rumor is is is is
really picking up steam.
Anyone that says this over in my name
tongue should be ripped out of his
mouth.
We had this recently in either way says
but let me tell you what really happened
where this rumor started. Right? Rumors
usually have a a basis in something. So
what's the basis of this rumor?
says, "I was sitting at a
and somebody goes and he quickly
and he made a without asking of
everybody started laughing. They said
meaning this person was and he went
ahead and he did the opinion. So
everybody started laughing
right they started making of what
happened over here
and I was sitting there I said you're
laughing
meaning IT'S NOT SO THAT JUST BECAUSE
this person's that that means you can't
do why
there is a possibility it's the
it's the second
and
He said
turn to the says, "Do you know that I
used to give
to my
because my is married to
and I used to give it to my
he says this is
I said this is my this is something that
I do now parathetically do you have to
give
that seems to be the the buzz right now.
So you have to give
so the truth is I mean from the you do
so just to read the bas and then we'll
go right there.
There you go. But the bottom line is
said that he used to do it. BUT HE SAID
THAT'S only with regards to this.
I WOULD NEVER DO what
all these
quoted says that's spreading rumors that
I said you're allowed to use a that's
married to
I never said this these words never came
out of my mouth what did happen what
happened was it was a
everybody started laughing said I said
it's one day
So this is a this that that we know
where says that it's okay. The bottom
line is and then he says I went and I
said that I have the minute that I give
this
and I used to give it to my
wasn't even a but I used to give them
anyways you know because his wife was a
but with regards to I never said that.
I'll tell you something interesting. Who
is this
of the that was referring to that he
used to give? So I had to say for
so this was a very thorough work that
was done on
so
he brings as follows
it was his wife's brother
his first wife's brother his second wife
was daughter but this was his first
wife's brother Rabh Yurowitz it was
Rabersh Yurowitz So I'll just tell you
something interesting. Who exactly was
you have to know the rest of the story.
So I'm reading from the s of was written
by this is very very authoritative as it
relates to the history of the so he's
discussing the early years of when got
married for the first time
and
was in a city called
And
and this had passed away
his son.
He was taking care of his sister and he
made up that he's going to marry you.
He was also a big v and he was promising
grace caster
was a young boy and he's living in that
he's in that over there and this who
took upon himself to marry off a sister
and he's promising a big n and he hears
that there's a young child here and he
decided that he wanted him for a sister
he told me he's going to support him
he'll take care of everything
you promised will be able to sin and
learn. You won't have to worry about
anything.
place.
sat down and they drink
was he referring of course to wanted to
settle there and you know he's getting
married now but before that he went back
home to get a bra from his mother and to
get a from his
and respectively and he tells how the
wasn't mas to the and was also not
masked to the but felt that being that
he gave his word to this girl that he
was going to marry her he didn't want
reneg on what he said he was going to do
and even though his role models and his
mentors were not masked into the that he
himself had agreed to he felt he was
going to move forward with it. He goes
back to prostitut and he gets married
and he settles with his wife.
I'm skipping
this who had promised to take care of
him.
He became a he lost all his money.
was so immersed in his learning. He
didn't realize this crisis that was
going on in his in his house. He was
living in his house, but he didn't
realize this. He had no idea what was
going on. He was just so in his learning
because this he took care of his
and even though he had no money and he
had literally had nothing to give him
but the little bit of bread that he had,
he served him.
It's unbelievable.
He says until one Friday night,
he said he looks at his wife and he sees
that she's wearing she wasn't wearing
and he goes on to say
the women that used to wear a special on
Friday night was gold on it and even
noticed that his wife didn't have that.
So he asked him
She said
as tears were rolling down her cheeks,
he said, "We literally didn't have money
to buy wine."
So she gave her as a like this. There
should be wine for Shabas.
When the heard this
and then he realized what was going on
in the house and that there was no money
and all this and everything that he was
promised it was all gone
decided
he said it's not fair he says what my
supporting he doesn't have any money he
doesn't even have money for shabas for
himself how's he going to support me
he's literally taking the bread off his
own table and he's giving it to me and
said that it's wrong turn to and he told
him I'm going to find a job but he
didn't really know what to do. So he
went he went to a tailor and he decided
that he's going to learn how to knit.
He's going to learn how to sew and he's
going to become a tailor
and said
and he felt that that's what he needs to
do. That was the the responsible thing
for him to do and that's what he was
going to do.
But it turned out that it was much more
difficult for the to learn how to become
a tailor than he thought it was going to
be.
He was already a little bit older at an
age where it's not so easy to learn
something new. He was 30 years old. But
either way,
then he decided, you know what? Maybe
I'll become a rough. He says, I'm not.
The tailor is just not working out.
Maybe I will cover it up.
They came to him and got his first
dollar and of course the rest is history
needless to say but it's interesting. So
who's this from coming full circle that
the artist thinks was the was referring
to
that he used to give this royal to even
though he wasn't a a it's thiser who had
married him off this who had promised
him cast who had promised to to support
him it didn't work out he was for the
uncovered what was really going on but
apparently he was a ander maybe wouldn't
have done this
I don't know but it could be the rest of
the story is that this was a that he had
tremendous to and this was also a that
was struggling mightily financially and
felt I have an opportunity to be so even
though he's not to give
the ro is not to do it certainly not but
felt anyways that this was the the right
thing to do again just uh a little bit
of the rest of the And on that note,
it's already 50 minutes. Wow.
So on behalf of
the listening
essentially what the Mish is saying is
is that
doesn't have to give the
So why is the Mish saying it in such a
roundabout way?
on behalf of a just say simple of a
you see from here
it's coming to teach me the that we
spoke at already twice this morning and
that is that although the is going to
come from the animal but the one that's
responsible is the and we know that from
this
it says
and That's how we know that are exempt
from what about a so that's
when the says
that's coming to include that uh butcher
that's
on behalf of the in that case he is
going to be so on the note of being
potter from
the tells a
was staying in somebody's house and his
host was a
and he was struggling mightily.
He went and he asked you. He asked him
for a he said maybe you can help me out.
I need I'm struggling with he told him
I have a good idea for you. you know,
you're a you're a very valuable resource
because
but if they have a partner that's a now
ready that what you should do is is you
should offer your services go over to a
tell them I'm willing to be your partner
and like this he'll benefit cuz he's
from and once you're his partner you're
going to be entitled to something this
is a good business right you could do
volume you can make a lot of money they
told it
Right? Makes sense. So the says he went
ahead and he did it and you had this new
business was formed LLC. They set it up
and this is who has a partner. They go
and they start they opened up a butcher
store and they started selling meat was
the Rakman goes over to the butcher. He
says why are you giving?
So he told him what do you mean I have a
partner that's a he said who cares? So
he told him there go what do you mean
said I got this
go give
and if you don't
I'm going to take out of your ears but
he was being shot and he told him that
you you can't do this also made so
himself now went told my why you doing
this what do you mean I'm right what
you're saying is not isn't correct if
has a partner that's he's parted from he
came from the south of that
the elders of the south said
that's a butcher
he himself is from but once he goes into
the business of selling meat he opens a
commercial
entity at that point it changes what's
two or three weeks his partner from
giving
told okay
at least let us be part of two or three
weeks he told back
it's true I would be okay with it for
two or three weeks but that's only if
you didn't set up a meeting what's the
whole ver of two to three weeks versus
not two to three weeks after two or
three weeks people know about it so once
people know about it they you see you
have a story you have a business that
people are aware of at that point even
the has to give the and the but as it
relates to you being that people know
about it immediately even before two or
3 weeks I have no choice to be so from
stating that if he has a commercial
business then already the has changed
we'll see more about this ine All right.