Bechoros 8

Today's is and we are at the Mishna 15 lines from the bottom of Zion. So we're moving along in the first paragus dealing with the laws of stating that today's do as we're going to see is going to not discuss bayus at all. In fact, the Mishna that we're about to begin with is a digression and then the ensuing gam is going to digress from its digression and then we're going to have one of the greatest digression Beno digressions of all time. That's something that we will see at the latter part of today's daf which will segue into tomorrow's daf. So for the the are going to be rather entertaining. Either way, the the previous Mishna had discussed the of a nidma. What's a nidma? A par gives birth to a kamar gives birth to a sus. A ra gives birth to an a. An ace gives birth to a ra. How do we view that from a perspective? Additionally, how do we view that from a castrous perspective? The Mishna we're going to learn now is going to continue on that theme. It's going to discuss a nidma type situation not with animals but with fish. Now if we're talking about fish we're clearly not discussing because as far as we know there's no Indian of a fish. Clearly what we're digressing from is the safe of the previous and that is the sassur's part. There's definitely a world of sassurus as it relates to fish. Regardless, on that note, with that super brief introduction, we jump right into the Mishna says a non-coosher fish. What's the definition of a non-cooser fish? It does not have snapper says which swallowed a kosher fish. So big fish eat little fish. That's the way created the world. In this case, the big fish was a dog to the little fish was a dog says the dog is going to be. So if after you go fishing and you catch the dog to you carve it up and you see lo and behold, there's a kosher fish sitting inside of it. Is if you want to eat it, you're allowed to eat it. What's the you could have thought it's inside the stomach of the dog to maybe it takes on the status of the dog to says the Mishna. Tell me what would be in the reverse if you had a kosher fish that swallowed a non-coosher fish. It would be that the non-cooser fish was non-coosher despite the fact that right now you found it inside the mug of the kosher fish that doesn't change anything from perspective. And the reason says the mission is because in these two situations, the kosher fish being inside the non-coosher fish, the non-coosher fish being inside the kosher fish, it got there through an external source. It got there because the big fish ate the little fish. It didn't get there because it naturally was raised there. It's not that the larger fish somehow gave birth to a smaller fish that is different in that it's kosher or non-cooser but rather it came there through it's for that reason and only for that reason says the Mishna that the is that I don't care what the status of the larger fish is what I look at is that fish that was swallowed the swallowy was that kosher well then it's going to remain kosher despite the fact that right now I just found it inside a non- kosher fish and vice versa is going to be true as well says the obvious the only reason it sounds like from the is that the is because you saw the swallow the dog so you know that it's for that reason It's going to remain kosher. Let's say you never saw a dog tummy being blear. Rather, you went and you caught a dog tame. You cut it open and you found it there was a dogtar inside. It sounds like in that situation just from reading the Mishna, it's not going to be okay to eat. And the reason is because Amry is a It sounds like you have to assume that maybe the reason the fish is there is because it's naturally pregnant with that fish, right? The Mishna makes a big deal about the fact but let's say you didn't see it. So then you have to be concerned maybe it is and in that situation it sounds like it would be a problem says the what's the basis for even having such. So the gumar says it's based on a price a mashids dag him. Kazal said that there's a fundamental difference scientifically between the way a dagto fathers and mothers children versus the way a dagah does it. A dagto is mashitz. Mashitz means it becomes pregnant and it carries the baby inside of it the same way uh most animals and the way human beings do. Dag to however is mbates. It lays eggs and the eggs hatch. That's where the child comes from. But being that a dog tummy is matritz. So there is a a concept of a dog to having a where there could be a baby inside. It's for that reason unless you saw the dog tummy being the you have to be concerned maybe it's and it's for that reason it's going to be a problem. But the says let me ask you a even in a situation where I saw the being by land and I carved it up and lo and behold the dog is there. I think that this still should be a problem because Amina why we not concerned that maybe the dog that the dog tummy was ble was already properly digested excreted etc and maybe it became pregnant with this dog and it's for that reason it should maybe be meaning it sounds like from the verbiage of the Mishna that there is a concern that in the event it was ash and it's based on a price that a dog taught Well, if that's the case, this should always be a concern. So, I don't understand. How do you know? How do you know? Maybe it is not. Maybe this dog is actually pregnant now with a dog. You know, it's possible because you yourself admit that if you didn't see it being bleed on the price of Mash. So in all situations even in the Mishna's case where you saw it happen still the should be that and to answer this question the Gar is going to give forth to said it's talking about where it wasn't found in the of the fish the quote unquote but rather it was found in the area where the fish excretes. So that's not a place where a mother would carry a child. So obviously it must have eaten it went through the digestive tract and it's clear that that's what took place over it was found in the throat again not in the in the throat clearly it swallowed it it's talking about where it saw it as an old age at an advanced age right if this fish already looks old it's clearly not an embryo right it's not a fetus that's not what it is just look at it you'll see that's not what it is so what is it obviously it uh it was on the wrong end of this transaction it got swallowed by a big tough guy. But the bottom line is that the all offer different technical answers and no one's arguing with the other. But these are all different possibilities of how you can make an inishna to know that this is certainly not a situation of a but rather it's the fish that was swallowed. That's the fish that you just found inside. He said dug in there's a an overwhelming that usually a fish gives birth to a fish that's mi right usually a par doesn't give birth to a kamar and aar doesn't give birth to a sus and an a to a to an it happens and that's why there's mishnas and braces and sunis that deal with it but it's not usually what happens and the same is true for and it's for that reason therefore are. There's no question in the world that if you saw the fish, go ahead and swallow. And now you carved it up and you saw that the the fish that's inside of it is exactly what was swallowed to start thinking the unthinkable in that kind of scenario is already pushing the limits a little bit too far. And says Rashi, it's for that reason this is not going to be an issue. Either way, we mentioned the Bryce. It's a really this whole Mishna feels a little bit, but to explain the Mishna, we mentioned the Bryce that said that note says the Bryson continues and says any that's gives birth to children in the natural way again the way humans do. So the mother is going to nurse its child. bates and any animal that lays eggs, the eggs hatch, and that's the way it gives birth to its offspring. Malate doesn't nurse, but rather when it needs food, it's going to have to go out and hunt. It's going to be the one exception to the rule is the bat. Even though it's behaves like an animal that's going to nurse its child, the Bryson continues. The price says sounds like dolphins. They procreate like human beings. What areud there's a fascinating rash. It's really two rashes. The first one on the top of So what does it mean? So notice had the ga not the ga that we have in our says. So what does it mean that if a person would be b on this sea creature the sea creature can become impregnated from a human. Okay. So what are these sea creatures? Clearly not dolphins. So what are they? Rashi continues. There are half human half what's known as mermaids and rashi says that is what the so number one that are and that the of the is others learn that that's not maybe what the bry means is could be what we know today as dolphins. Dolphins have a certain level of intelligence and are on some level and and in terms of some of the nuance of the way that goes down as a very that's been written on this way the ba continues. still all in the middle of the same any animal where the male animals bim areid is in a regular way any animal where the bum are meaning inside it's so then the way it's going to impregnate its equivalent thereof is going to be in a way where the nava is going to not be millet but rather the nava is going to be malar says one second and you have a problem with this cuz the doctor said so and is a goose. The regular goose and the wild goose are meaning if somebody would mate the two he would be isime because even though they're both geese but they're different meaning and it's for that reason it would be a problem. By the way, if this kamar sounds familiar, it featured very prominently in the Muscovi duck raid bite that we spoke about not so long ago, July 2nd of this year. But right the asked on what's the reason I mean to me they're all geese right is being so medic that that's going to be considered explain the reason is because they have this distinction. one is one is and that's so significant that they become different meaning and there's a problem of now says the fact is both geese are so you see clearly that it doesn't matter whether it's or more pointedly even if it's still going to be meaning how could you tell me that whether it's I know the and one is and one is and they're That's the you have to tweak the bry a little bit and you have to say not but rather means not the but the actual g. So if the G is it's going to be it's going to be the price of continuous it says any animal where it engages in during the day it's going to give birth to its offspring during the day. If it engages in nightm it's going to be the explains what's an example of that the right the needs light in order for it to be what's an example of that that's the that's the batala That's an that's a human being and all animals that are similar to a human being in this says the why does this even matter and you can't even make this up ready for the next look at the I'll tell you said the following if somebody went and he checked his uh coupe of chickens he opened the freezer to see what's there and he didn't see a ba And then the first day of he wakes up and he found the is that you're allowed to eat the what's the is we know the first is all the holds is something that you're not let is that if you didn't find the B and then the next morning you did you still eat it. The reason is because a is and is such an that it permeates that you know for sure it had to have given birth by day. There's no way it gave birth at night. So if you see first thing in the morning you wake up fats meaning even before daytime and you see that there's a a ba there it for sure must have been there for mar because what's the other side it was there at night the tagal is not and it's for that reason it must have been there during the day you didn't see it so we're so confident with this that the is only that as it relates to we can use this and even if I checked and I didn't find it and Then I saw it the next morning. So for sure it must have happened during the 12 hours of night. No, but you were mean I'll tell you what we assume. We assume that what must have happened was must have emerged and then afterwards it returned back into the and this is a good ter. It's based on something the great exited and then it emerged again because once it goes out Rubik look at it as if it was already born in was born it's going to be okay. See right that how do you have a right to say it's based on a different and based on of the great going back to the BC very longer we interrupted twice but we now return to our regular program. So anytime you have a situation where there's a balai and the tashmish of the bal and the iore of the balai is so is then is that they can give birth from each other and they can raise each other's offspring. In other words, in the world of nidma, in the world of two different types of animals mating with each other. So there's a a framework within which it can work and there's a framework in which it can't work. So if the tash is sha and the e the pregnancy is sha then it can work but if not then it's not going to work. Okay says the all animals the way so the is behind in a with the exception of three why those three came from he said over the following he said let me tell you what they say in the west the reason is because who speaks to man right through the who spoke to the inspirations and who spoke to the fish in the story of says the price of as it relates to the so is not it's not but rather the on their acts are facing each other. Another is pregnant for 21 days, meaning it gets impregnated and then 21 days later it hatches an egg. And there's an equivalent thereof as it relates to a tree. Meaning there are certain trees that it takes 21 days for its fruit to be complete. similar to the amount of time that it takes for the to and what tree is that? It's the tree. Incidentally, as it relates to this there's a big discussion exactly scientifically what that means. We're just translating the words very very loosely as it relates to a dog is pregnant for 50 days and there's an idea of a tree also it taking 50 days for the breed to bear and what is that? That's the fig the cat. It's 52 days. Is aut like a berry, right? And it's a strawberry, but it's some type of berry that also takes 52 days to develop. Similar to the pig is the 60 days. And what's the equivalent as it relates to a tree? the apple tree the facts and all the different types of connect. So what's an example or an right? That's what it is 5 months and what's the equivalent there when it comes to a tree such as aesh would be 12 months and you want the equivalent thereof of a tree it's going to be the decal tree is 9 months what's the equivalent thereof is the tree. H the wolf and the lion and the beer is the leopard. Nobody really knows what that is. Is the elephant is the is the monkey. It's a threeyear pregnancy. And what's the equivalent thereof when it comes to a tree? It's another type of animal that's 70 years. Which tree takes 70 years to develop? That's the box tree. a carrot tree, right? From the time that you plant the tree until you're going to actually have something to harvest and bring him to your house is going to take 70 years. Stating that if you look at the fruit itself, from the time that the fruit is quote unquote impregnated, right, from the of the pre until it's nigma, that's only that's a measly three years. What about the snake? So that's the pregnancy is seven years and as it relates to right the is the is the Satan embodied the as in the there's no tree that we can compare to him he has no say not true there is a a tree it's called and he is the of the says the we just said a lot right a I mean it was two braces a lot happening but from everything that we just said says the there's one thing I want to try to zero in on a little bit and that is so the kazal said has an e of seven years it's probably based on a some sort of what is that so the said the name and some say that was the great that said that it's based on the following when speaks to the and he gives him for being the getting to eat from the Hashem tells now if you learn so the of this part of the is just a heading for what's about to come the goes and talks about you're going to eat offer you're not going to have legs right the people are going to be afraid of you. All the different things that are mentioned in the but this part of the as if it's a is itself a now what is the can mean a lot of things all bad but what exactly is the so and again some say that it could be it's the same that got so and the were cursed in the context of the kavas was in part related to the fact that she's going to have to you suffer through a pregnancy and then when the baby's born right that's all part of the story of so again understands that this general is related to the of in which case it's a huge assumption but This is telling me something about the of the now what does the say it's going to be meaning think of the behemoths think of the think of what their pregnancies are like this is going to be worse than that what does it mean it's going to be worse it's going to be longer right that's what it means it's going to be longer and if it's by definition it's also and that's what this part of the that's what this is but some say asked Why would the have to say if the was from the certainly should be from the and the premise that this says is is because the of the is longer than the of the so it's already if we know the was more than the it certainly should be more now we're not going to go into this Shambarashi says and really we'll see it in the it's not 100% true because we'll see soon the lion has a very very long and the lion is a he's not a so this that the way we're explaining the is in it of itself in a vacuum without a little beer something that's not 100% true because there are that have more Rashi asked Rashi says we know for sure we're not talking about the we're talking domesticated. And if that's the case, so why does it have to say both? You know why it said both? Just like the over is a 7:1 ratio. Now, where do you find the 7:1 ratio? You find the So if you go back to the Bryce that we saw earlier, the Eb is Right was an example of ao that has an eb of 12 months and the was 52 days. If you take 12 months, 365 days, right? Solar year, the inhood year, and you divide it by 52, the number you're going to get is seven and a tiny fraction. So it's literally sevenfold. So you find that the be was sevenfold in which case in the case of the so too the is going to be seven times the in which case it's going to be seven years. In other words, the way you read the P is you don't have to mention. So the ones you mention, but it's in the same way that the is the over the versus the sevenfold. So you're going to be from the sevenfold. Again, which the it's 12 months. Seven times 12 months. That's easy math. That's seven years. And that's knew that the is seven years but says the that's the way he's supposed to read this maybe the way you dish in this meaning let's take for granted all the that are being made but why can you dash just like you find that in a certain sense was three times over the and that is maybe it's the other way around. Now, which was three times over the soi says it's referring to the it's referring to the lion. So, the lion is three times over the and maybe in the same sense the is going to be three times over the and if that's the case it's going to end up being 9 years, right? The kamar is 12 months. The is three times that because it's three years. The is going to be three times that in which case it's going to be 9 years. So the says even if you make the assumption is its own and the is related to something to do with the and from the fact that it mentions that's that the is relative to the ratio. But how do you know it's the the versus the maybe it's the to the it's which was Rash's cash in the beginning of the month. It's the versus theamar. So it's not going to be a 7:1 ratio and it's 7* 12 months. It's going to be a 3:1 ratio. It's going to be three times three years. Even though it's a smaller ratio, it's going to yield a higher number and it's going to end up here. So says, it doesn't say just read the right are not arbitrary. They're scientific. And the isra says maybe I hear it has to be that the is going to be cursed in its iore relative to the behemoth in the same ratio that the behema is cursed relative to the right. That's where we're holding right now in this little bit of a tricky but says the maybe we got the wrong animals. We're going with the versus the so. So it's the is cursed to the in the same ratio that the is cursed to the it's a 7 to1 ratio. The is 12 months you end up with seven years. Maybe the is as follows that that's the right thing but it's where do you find a which is 5 months may which is 52 days and that's a 3:1 ratio. 52 divided into 5 months is going to get you a 3:1 ratio. Right? 5 months is approximately 150 days. 52 days is approximately 50 days. gives you a ratio of approximately 3:1 and if that's the case to the 3 to1 what's the going to be it's going to be 15 months right so the says I can answer this in two ways either I can tell you it says sounds like from the behemoth that has the longest pregnancy and that's the same Wait, you're negotiating, right? We're handling the of the We're handling the of the So, it's for that reason, we're for sure going to try to make it as long as we possibly can and therefore 7 years is longer than 15 months and that's what we're going to do. Now, it's it's interesting to note you see that the Gomorrah holds that whatever the pregnancy of the is is dependent on how you call. I mean at first glance you would say ask your local doctor. I mean sounds like uh that's who you're supposed to speak to a veterinarian ash I don't know right that's what you would think you're supposed to do with a I mean think about even the that we have in the is it 7 years or is it 15 months even it's not nine years right is it 9 years or 15 months how could you be so uncertain there's a mitz here I you want to tell me if there was a dus that were ding but it's impossible that this one side it takes seven years And there's the other side it takes 15 months. And really this very obvious observation is insightful in terms of how you have to understand all these different science type of gamaras which is way way way beyond the scope of this. But just highlighting that I think brings out that have a whole different perspective of of the Indian of mitis than than secular people do. Either way says the gamar. So we just mentioned as a cyba right I mean we're holding by the digression of the digression of the digression at this point but we got involved in the ib of the and we mentioned that the ib of the nash is seven years based on a a hamletic interpretation of a bik in parishes berious who was the author of of this dasha so the said that there was one messiah it was raud there was another messiah. It was Rabbiish Kanyar now is going to tell a story. This story there's one messiah on it's for sure. It's very to the ones that had the ms of the pregnancy being seven years being attributed to but either way this is an incredible digression from something that was mentioned as like a triple digression already. So we mentioned that the no's is 7 years. On that note, the Gmorra says, "Let me tell you a story." And this story we're going to begin right now, but really the majority of it will be the case. How long does it take for a snake to become pregnant and have a pregnancy and ultimately have a child? It's seven years. So the case turns and he tells him You know, I heard from the the sages in Athens. Atuna is Athens. They went ahead. Arbinu doesn't mean four here, even though we're dealing with numbers, but they were Marvia, right? They took a a male snake and a female snake and they put them together and it only took three years. So Yeshua said that was a a mistaken experiment. that female must have been pregnant already for four years cuz I take seven years. He said he said but they will be mish. Okay. So what's the capt when they're pregnant? So there was a that took place. So couldn't have been pregnant. So Yeshua said just like human beings even when they're pregnant. So too is the same way. But the case continued and said they're very very smart. I don't believe you know better than those wise people. So he said not true. We meaning them right THE SAGES WE'RE SMARTER THAN THEM. And because we're smarter than them I'm not impressed with uh what it is that they claim. So the toldu if you're really smarter than them I want to see you debate them. I want you to win the debate vicinely and I want you to then bring them to me. So Yeshua was just tasked with having to I mean if the case tells you to do something you do it right not really another option not another good option anyways. So if Yeshua knows that he needs to figure out a way to debate the wise people of Athens and then somehow get them to to come to the queser like how in the world is he going to do this? Rishua's mind starts working really really quickly. these big bakish rabbit and rabbit tells the case tell me how many of these smart people in Athens are there so he told him there's 60 of them he says okay no problem I'm going to do this but let me tell you what I need firstly I need you to make for me a ship I need a yacht it's like a super yacht that has 60 rooms inside of it and each one of these rooms are presidential suites they They each have 60 chairs inside of it. Oh, by the way, so the case said, "No worries. We have a staff. He puts together a team of people and they make this big cruise ship for Yeshua Ben. Either way, Yeshua goes now to Athens. I mean, he's in Rome, it sounds like. And now he's going from Rome to Athens. When Yeshua got there, so he went into a butcher shop. Now, the reason he went into a butcher shop, he's looking for the wise people of Athens, right? So, why is he going to have a power meal? No, that's not why he's going. The reason he goes to the butcher shop is because as we're going to see the location of where these wise people of Athens were, where they convened was very discreet. And he had no way of knowing where they were, which was his first challenge to execute his plan. So he needs to figure out like where are they physically. So Rab Yeshua has an idea. Again, he walks into this butcher shop and he sees a person, a butcher, and he's skinning an animal. tells his person he says tell me is the head for sale how much is it going to cost a half gives him a half after he gives him the halfhu tells the butcher okay can you please give me your head so he took the head of the animal says no I didn't pay for the head of the animal did I say that I want the head of an animal. I said, "How much is the head?" I meant your head. So person said, "No says, "Well, that's what I'm not leaving unless you give me your head." I prefer it on a silver platter, right? But unless you give me your head, I'm not walking out. So this butcher realized he had a little bit of an issue. I'm a lady says, "Okay, I'll tell you what. I'll make a deal with you. If you want me to drop this uh seemingly frivolous lawsuit, but if you want me to not come after you literally for your head, let me tell you what you can do for me. Somebody told me that you know where the wise people of Athens convene. If you want if you could show me the entrance way of how you get into their auditorium, then I'll let you go. He says, I'll tell you the truth. I do know where they are but I'm afraid because any person that has this piece of information and he discloses it off with his head and you see I'm trying to uh keep my head right so Yeshua told him I'll tell you what I have an idea take a very heavy load of some sorts and let's walk together in the street and when you get to the place where the entrance way of the are you know act as if your the load is is too heavy and you know you're carrying and you just have to put it down for a second to be able to to breathe and I'm going to understand that that's where it is. In other words, you know, put down this as if you're trying to take a little bit of rest. Wink wink. I'll get the whole picture. Either way, he agreed to do it. Yes. Now comes to the hem inside and outside. Meaning he was able to observe that outside there was a whole security team and he was also able to see that inside the room there was a security team. In other words, what was the point? The point was the outside are making sure that nobody gets in and then the that are inside are making sure that nobody's able to get out. In fact, the if the who are trying to remain anonymous clearly, if they would see that there were footsteps that was going in, it would look like somebody breached the security and they would kill the whole uh secret service team. And if they saw footprints that was going out, right, this is old school. then they would kill uh all the people that were inside. The outside can't let anybody in. The inside can't let anybody out. Either way, Yeshua used this as an opportunity somehow. What he did was he was able to get his sandal his shoes and create footprints in the area that was between where the and the and as we'll see in a second, he was able to get the footprints to go both way. So firstand he did it in a way where it looked like people got out and they killed the sh that were inside. Then he did it again in a way where it looked like people got inulu they ended up killing the sh from outside. Rashi struggles a little bit to understand what this mitz was. But the bottom line is he got the to think that the security was breached both ways. And by them thinking that they go ahead and they kill all the shim. Now there's no shabish is able to sneak in. So basically he was able to neutralize the whole security system and like this nobody saw him walking in walks in through the front door. When he walked in he saw something very interesting. He saw that the younger whippers snappers they were sitting on top and the older people were sitting on bottom which was a little bit counterintuitive because usually I guess the way these auditoriums were set up in the world at the time the higher you sat not the other way around and as a result something was a little bit offish says to himself I have to figure out who do I give to first because if I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to give sham to the people that are sitting in the bottom which is appropriate because they're the skainim they're the older people but Kali Leehani I see these people they don't play games right so uh you don't have a right to fear representation when it comes to how these people deal with you if they feel you violated some sort of law so I have to tread very very carefully so I'm afraid to give to the wrong person first because that might be the end of this beautiful story so if Yeshua says that I'm afraid if I'm going to give to the people on the bottom then the people on top are going to right the the the people on top are going to Kill me. We're sitting on top. They're only sitting on to the people that are sitting on top based on the fact that they're sitting on top which makes them look then the people on the bottom are going to kill me because they're going to say to themselves said I have the best idea. He said he gave to everybody at the same time and it worked. They tell him who are you? Do we know you? Like what's your story? Soishua says I want to uh I want to learn from you. I came to study. That's why I'm here says. So they told him if that's the case you have to take meaning if you're going to come to Abis Medish so you have to pass some sort of entrance exam. So we're going to ask you a question and uh let's see how you do on this exam and based on that we're going to determine whether you're worthy of being part of our he says no problem. He said however I want to make a deal with you talking. He said, he said, "If you're going to be able to ask me a question that I won't be able to answer, you're going to be able to stump me. You could do with me whatever you want. I'm fear game. Whatever you want is yours. But if I'm going to be able to answer the question, meaning we're going to have it out here a little bit. If I'm going to be successful, all I want from you is it's not a huge ask. What I want is I have a a super yacht. It's parked right outside. I want you to come and I want you to break bread with me. So they said, "You know something? Okay, no problem." Either way, they go ahead and they start asking him questions. In fact, as we're going to see, they ask him question after question after question after question after question. What happens at the end of all these questions? And what exactly are the nature of those questions? So there's going to be a little bit of suspense. You have to wait for the second day y for that. But the bottom line is for now we're going to stop the story right here at the height of uh suspense in the middle of this cliffhanger where Ben somehow was able to you know sneak in to the he represents himself as I came to learn from you. He said it doesn't just work that way. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT. I'll tell you what. Let's make a deal. You could ask me any question you want and if somehow you may not say I'm for YOUR GAME. OTHERWISE, ALL I'M ASKING YOU TO DO IS HAVE a sandwich in my yacht. The bottom line is Yeshua obviously is, you know, his mind is working. He in his very confident that he's going to be successful ultimately figure out a way to get the to Rome to prove that the Jews are smarter than THE pregnancy is seven years not three years that the cla but we're going to stop here and just speak out one and that is so is a very very famous way more famous for than it is for. It tells the story of Rabishu Kan's exchange with the interesting we know that Rabhua was one of the gayon in the time of the destruction of of the second base. In fact lived during that very critical transitional period. The says inu said that I was a ley and I used to sing I used to sing shir in the bash. We also know that ben Yeshua and Shas was one of the two people that smuggled and benz out of at the time of the story of kamarans so that could have an audience with the case of to try to save the Jewish people. We know that is from the most often mentioned. He's the ba of our god. He was as we mentioned from the of he was also a rebi of the great rabbi. So anyone that's ever learned Gomorrah for an hour is familiar with the tan of of Rab Yeshua stating that what's not so well known but is really abundantly obvious from Shas is that in addition to Rabhua being one of the great Tanoim and one of the great Moy Rab Yeshua had a very unique relationship with the government. Rab Yeshua was a very very politically connected person. He was very very very influential and he used that protects you to be there for the Jews during this very very critical and pivotal time. Just to bring out the point, we learned the gamarra together not so long ago. This is a gammor over there says the told I know that your god is compared to a a lion the says and the case what's the big deal that he's compared to a lion our big war we have gladiators They fight lions for a living. They're able TO BEAT THEM. SO THAT'S THE godless of that is our gladiators I think would BE ABLE TO FIGHT THE your god and be able to defeat him. So Raishua told him no when the Pik says compared to a lion doesn't mean the lion that you have in your amphitheater but rather it's like I want to see the so he told him you sure he said yeah you're sure yeah he regretted seeing it but the bottom line is this is an exchange that king tells that happened between the queser of one doth The says, "I want to prepare a meal for your God." Says, "It's not possible. When comes to eat a meal, he comes with a huge entourage. It's going to be impossible." He says, "I don't care. I want to." And he told him what to do. He told him to go to the Yam and prepare a meal. And they spent six months preparing the meal. And all of a sudden, wind came and it blew it away. And then the next time they did it, the sea overflowed and he realized this was something that he wasn't able to do. But two exchanges between the H's another why is it that Shabas food smells so good. So Yeshua told him because all theas that are preparing for Shabas and now for they have a special spice that they put in their food and it's called Shabas and that's why it smells so good. I also want only somebody that keeps Shabas does this work for but if somebody doesn't keep Shabas this is not going to work. Another this is thear says the case's daughter once told it seems that wasn't so handsome and she was very taken back that Hashem would take such an incredible brain such and put it into a says I'm curious your father when he stores all his vintage wines, right? His wines that are hundreds of years old says, "Where does he keep all those wines? Does he not keep them in earn? What else? What do you mean you such of a wine? You should have it in wine and in gold and in silver uh barrels." She went home and she told her father, they went ahead and they did a everything spoiled. So they came back and they told uh what happened. So they told the case so what happened? So he said who is the one who gave you this brilliant idea was so the case says I want to speak to my says why do you tell this to my daughter? Wait you're trying to spoil my wine. No I just said the same thing. Your daughter couldn't understand why me an ugly vessel would have in it such an incredible. He said, "Well, I said then why do you use why does your father use ugly vessels to store his wine?" Either way, the garra says, "Does that mean that if somebody's handsome, he can't be good in learning?" So says, "No, stating that that handsome person, if he wasn't so good-look, he'd be even a big alum and he would be better at learning." This is the Gumar in Tus. But again, you have after we just mentioned four, just have a little bit of a sampling where you find this concept. you find this idea where the greatish is having exchanges with the queser. The truth is the truth is that use this relationship clearly to help the Jews. How do you know that? There was a time that the yidden needed a favor from some very important governness in Rome. called and she was a woman that says they said who's a person that has clearance that would be able to get to this uh to get to this woman said I'm going to go now she was so goes and tells the story then and the says you learn from there and but the bottom line is is that Rab Yeshua was the one that said I need why is Rab Yeshua going you learn the Gar I know it could have been Rabza for the same price no it couldn't have been because Rishua is the one that's very much affiliated he's the one connected and as a result this was something that he was able to do here's another that very clearly comes to life this is in the it's he once went to a very large city in Rome they told There's a child that's incarcerated. He's very very handsome. He went and he stood at the door of the he said, "Right, who allowed this to happen that the Jews are in such a denigrated place?" responded. He said another that this child is going to be a once spoker what this means but either way I'm not leaving this place didn't leave until he was able to do him It did not take long until this person became a like swore was going to happen. And you want to know who it was? Drum rollish ben Alisha. It was the great Rabbiish Ben Alisha. But it was Rabishu Kany that was the one that was able to go ahead and save Rabish bin Alisha. He's protected. Raan had the ability to open doors that other people did not have the ability to open because of the close proximity he had the influence he had the respect that he had by the case of Ramy if he's still not convinced his bracious paras is parli as in Hrien the secular world he's known as Hrien the great But he told him the world he gave him a response. This is also in paracious create man everyone knows the answer told him it's from the lo of and he went in and he gave him a response. So there's two exchanges in Medish. There's more by the way, but here's two as a sampling where you find that Adarian the Hadrian himself. Meaning sometimes when you learn a gar and you see the word quesa, the quesa doesn't always mean the quesa, but you see kan was able to get all the way into the oval office and he's talking to him and learning. He has big slots with him and the mish having conversations feel philosophical and theological discussions. of Yeshua bann was able to penetrate literally the highest branches of Rome. I think this medish brings this point home even more than anything. This is a medish and this is in paral in the times of mikdash. In the times of there was the Romans came around and they said we're willing to build a bameto witness. He lobbied. He used his influence to try to get the Bikto to be rebuilt. And in fact, Rabbi, why is Bishan? You know who else lived in the times? Raal lived there. Rabza lived there. Ra lived there. A lot of big lived. But it was it's and the med goes and tells a whole story how they were mamish holding they were working they were raising the money for it and then the whole thing the kout got involved by the way you don't even know if the kim are really the kin because all these kazals are so censored you know who's who right whenever you see menuki kouti go akumi you don't know what's what k but the bottom line is the kim ostensibly are the ones that got involved and they would derailed it. But the point is has this relationship with the that he's using not for personal benefit. He's using it, right? That's his interest over here. And you see he used it to different times withhab and he used it for the the prize of all prizes and that is to get the Romans to actually sign an edict. We're willing this is a part of Jewish history people don't know that we're willing to go along and re allow you to rebuild the base because of this the whole thing got derailed just to bring the point home even farther was by the was debating him and the way they were debating each other was within so he shows him. He showed him some uh form of sign language, some that suggested that a nation that their god has already turned away from responded back again with some sort of remar but there's a stretched out hand that's very much on top of us. Some of the kids the case is watching this and you know he is an innocent bystander. He has no clue what's flying. He turns to and he tells him what did he show you? Say he told him I'm curious if say what did you show? He said respond I don't know. So they said a person who doesn't know how to speak who doesn't understand we've spoken many times that the anak said that the z used to always writeer everything that the goyan wrote was and he used to say because when you stand in front of the king you have to speak he would say there's a tremendous pine in But the bottom line is the bottom line is they took out this guy and they ended up killing him. But here's the postcript of the story when passed away said Carson he said what's going to be with Carson who's going to know how to be M of the Carson. So he told them Mark gives another version of what happened. But when passed away or when he was getting old and he was coming close to passing away told what's going to be after you leave this world, who's going to defend us? Who's going to stand up for us? So he told him to get you have nothing to worry about. AND IF THERE'S NO TO FIGHT IT then if it's gonna be their big is also going to pass away. We don't have to worry about it was always going to survive. But used his influence, his debating skills even on such a level that there was there was such a concern who's going to be the one that's going to defend us for the Carson and says this is the beer in another. And this is the literally where the brings up talks about what happened when passed away was what does it What's going to be with the mean had incredible incredible influence. He had incredible incredible influence. And therefore you find that he's always conversing together with the queser again you know when you go through these gimmar you see them one at a time and because you see them one at a time so you can't properly appreciate the puzzle and you can't properly appreciate the or should we say the pile of these this is literally literally a fraction of what's out there but whether it's precious Ra just to name a few where you find Yeshua has some power. He has some influence literally he's of the where he's sitting literally with them and he's using that influence. He's using that influence to save during times that this was very very critical. I just want to conclude this with a few tiny just to bring out this point maybe the first is I saw in the from this is in giml it's perk maled it's page pave he says that says And then there was a 19th that was instituted. It's the and the says when exactly was that instituted said by the way everyone agrees is not it was instituted in Yavna. So when the were inn that's when they instituted this he's talking the name of the parake it was something that was instituted in so just to read a few tiny excerpts hey how you doing because after there were people that were mish being mian They were making up stories. They were getting up publicly and they were saying bbull him about the Yidden things that were 100% not true. And it got to a point it got to a point that the Yidden didn't even know what to do anymore. Once the said he said let's go ahead and we'll be making a WE'RE GOING TO PLAY WITH THE CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT? THAT'S THE LEVEL IT got to. Now we're going to say after we're going to alter the because it got to such a level. He quotes from Just think about this. the thing was HEARTS THE THING THAT IS BOTHERING PEOPLE THE MOST. THEY DIDN'T EVEN MENTION which one answer. omitted. So they decided it doesn't make any sense, right? You read these you just have to put it on not two times speed. I'm like you have to slow it down.5 speed to take in right and he feels like the thing that he has on his mind you know he didn't which word to dive into the main thing had was was not being represented in the every not just the say all the every single year would go ahead and would say this and that's how we ended up with the 19th but says that's the history that's seriously so says in this piece he says go through the gar and you're going to see in all the different gamaras in all the different garas who's featured so prominently in uh in these gumaras is always talking to the case of and it's so many of the he's talking literally to Hrien himself and he's trying to be there and come up with some form of some some some form of and you see he's trying to get so much done he said it's not him with this it's this because coming to to save the day at such a critical time so again it it puts all these conversations that is having with the into a context that it's happening at a time where the biggest suram says facing was that was the biggest sur that was facing the Jews. That's why that which every was for and wasn't being represented by the they said let's go tweet the let's throw it in and who is the leader who is the one that's representing more than anybody else in this it's none other it's none other than the great you know you learn like this having an exchange about a how many years it took for this uh to have a baby you don't properly appreciate uh what's going on then we go through the guras the gar that we mentioned. So then it, you know, it brings it out a little bit more. But then when you have an appreciation for Jewish history, you learn, we spoke about that in so much detail in the beginning, right? We had to speak about it on the day of his yard. But either way, you go through and you appreciate the context of the times. It's something that you understand even more. We've spoken so much about Rebelzar over the years. Rebelzar's uh balpa rebar's was a yid whose name was Rabishua and just like rebelza has his legacy has his story rabbishua has has his story and really the legacy of rabbishua if you know you know is not just that he's one of the greatest tanom of all time but the legacy of rabbishu is even more than that the legacy of rabbishua is he's an askin and his area of asos is an area That's literally challenging and it's something that is risking the entire union itself to to a point that understood they have to be in a new so that that is going to be represented mameish and the person that is leading that charge the man on the scene is none other than the great Rabishua that's a big part of the rest of the story of the legacy of Rab Yeshua. We're just getting started. This raid is part one. The next stop which will be after YF we're going to uh go through the second half of the story of Rab Yeshua and we're going to come back to talk a little bit more about this in a Rab Yeshua part two as it relates to not just Rabu the Tana Rabishu the manag Yeshua theuim Rab Yeshua the Mates the Rab Yeshua who led claustro in a successful way during that very very critical Time.