Bechoros 33

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And the gummor is now going to digress. says that aid is not allowed to eat from a that has a says that a woman that's aid is allowed to eat from a that has a say it says that the should be to the just like the parts of the carbon which although was given specifically to the just like those parts of the carbon only was allowed to eat from meaning was not allowed to eat from so the what is going to say it's true the says but that is referring to a that's a that goes on the is and that I agree says and he does not allow eat from but what I'm discussing is aar that's there the p says to the contrary it says three times that the tommy and the are allowed to eat it together. It says then that a to is allowed to eat it. So b shai said that you see the bkar is treated like the from the off limits to anid so tokar is giving off its limits to basil says that you can't say that because the says with regards to and if that's true with regards to there's no reason it shouldn't be true for that has also the says that's referring not to that's referring to aar so what is bish going to do with the says isn't a mash that is allowed to eat from a carbon that has now it's talking about but why should be any different says he's going to tell you that it's talking about a where the didn't emanate from his for example he came in contact with or he came in contact with the source of the toma is not his own body but if the toma came from his own go such as there it's going to be different meaning the way bish is going to reconcile the is is saying that someone that has such as is not allowed to eat even from someone however who is but not because the came from his is allowed to eat it says now where do you find this distinction in between that was and that's not now the truth is there's many to this brings on the you find that time we learn in the mission the context is more specifically the carbon which was brought so ordinarily if somebody's he couldn't bring the carbon p right there's certain people that are disqualified from being a carbon pak one of them is somebody that's Tommy so what do you do if you're to when it comes time to bring the carbon pak you wait a month you push it off the And that's when you bring the the carbon stating that was when it came time to bring the carbon is the is the carbon p was brought stating that not every person that's when is allowed to eat from a carbon p that was brought to. So this Mishna discusses what type of can eat from a carbon when the carbon was brought says these are not letting now what do these have in common they're all people that came from their so you see clearly then that there's a there's a special place in someone that's where the says just like you find with regards to that someone that's to is allowed to eat from the carbon. But if the toma was then he's not allowed to eat from the carbon. The same is going to be true as it relates to who has an ordinary tommo will be allowed to eat from the if however the he what's going to do with that you see there's between which was the so why doesn't say the reason that there's a in that regarding And it's because when the Torah talks about it mentions means someone that came in became tom because he came in contact with a maze. He came in contact with an specifically limits the para to a similar to which is not here it says the word and if that's the case either way in our between who's allowed to eat from the that has according to only according to and even so this is a related is Another is in terms of who's allowed to eat from that has them all according to someone that has the most common form of such would be but anyone that's is not allowed to eat from according to isim are allowed to eat from a related if you skin an animal on that's okay but You can't be margillan the animal. So what does that mean? Sarashi says that the way people would often skin an animal is they would suspend it from its legs and they would remove the entire hide of the animal in one shot. And the reason they would do it is because the hide of the animal has value. It has commercial value. There's different things you can use it for. You can give it to a a smith and he can use it to his gash or you can store things in it. So what they would do is they would skin it from its feet. That's why it's called this is a process that you're not allowed to do. So you can skin an animal but not in that way similar. If you have you're allowed to skin it but you can't skin it in that way. And finally a third if you have not but you have what's a so there is you can skin the animal but I understand the first I understand why you're not let because the assumption is that whatever usage you were going to get from this hide this big hide that you got you removed all the skin in one shot. That's not something you're going to be able to use on and if you're not going to be able to use it on the skinning process involves a lot of you're not allowed to be on or shabas for that matter for something that you don't need right this is a sometimes forgotten we know the is we're familiar with so there's a that permeates a lot of which are related to you're not allowed exert too much energy even if it doesn't invol on so to go through This past process of being is you're not going to need but why can't you be what's the big deal? Oh it's going to say who says that you're not give to aid. What do you see from there? If you can't give it to aid, it means we still reckon with the kadusha of this animal even though it's a which now the allowed to eat and there's a lot of as it relates to this carbon but at the same time can't eat it. So if I need from it means it still has some form of kadusha if it still has some form of a kadusha. So it would be a zoan to do this act of being margle of skinning it in that way and it's for that reason it's not going to be okay. But according to Bas sounds like it will be okay. Bas says allowed to eat from it. A nonjews allowed to eat from it. So why should you be able to go through this process of incidentally speak out that it sounds like from this that only according to is there you have to be sensitive to according to oh could eat from it and could eat from it. So then what's the big deal? Skin it however you want to skin. That's not true. That's a mistake because the first mission of the peric already said that if you want to sell a bamboo you're not going to sell it in the sh. You can't weigh it with the oldfashioned scales. You have to be sensitive to it. And even though you can't that's but as it relates to you have to be more careful. So you see that even according to that's everybody holds it at. So you see there is a sensitivity that you have to have to according to everybody. So you have to say that there's levels of bazo that kind of biz everybody agrees is not okay. Apparently the bizoyan that the animal is going to incur that the hectish is going to incur by going through this process of skinning it in that way is something a little bit more subtle. So the Gammorra thinks that according to Bai who's not who's sensitive to subtle biz doesn't want a need to eat from it doesn't want a a non to eat from it makes sense but according to Bas who's not sensitive to the more subtle kadusha to the more subtle type of bazion according to him it won't be an issue either way so we understand why you can't be marant if it's related to a we understand why you can't be married who says that you have to be very careful with If a non can eat from it, if a need can eat from it. So you have to be careful with the way you skin it as well. What about who's that? And this is a somebody had two for which he was. So he has to bring a car and he was two and he doesn't need both. He needs one. He's going to use one of the two. Turns out that One of them developed the mo. So what do you do? Obviously the one that has that doesn't have the and the one that has the you should be what happens if you the one that had the and then it right once you get you're allowed to eat it and then you went ahead and you were m the one that said now you were m like this imagine if you didn't do the yet for You're allowed to eat the one that had the mum that you if however you did the already for the before you had an opportunity to eat the it's going to be awesome. What's in the is we know this there's five types of you can't be mocked with it. What you do with it is you have to let it die. You kill it. is a a process of how that works. [snorts] One of them is if somebody was two animals for a carbon and he got from one doesn't need the other one anymore. So the other one gets a bin of that's one of the five and is also so the says like this in this case a person was mish two animals for a carbas turns out you can only be m of one of them cuz one of them developed what do you do with the one that developed the you 101 and you eat it it's not a big deal the issue is this if you're going to be macro of the tim before you eat the balas so the balas being that it's a because originally you as is going to get a dinner of you won't be able to eat it. So the this says you want to eat the one that has a that's fine to that's 101. But here being that there's another it has a compadre this animal. So you have to be sensitive to that because if you're going to be m that animal before I eat this this animal is going to become a and as a result I may not be able to eat it anymore. So you can only eat it before you do the but if once you do theimo now the bum gets so now it's so I'm not let it even if the boss is in it's like it's stewing in the pot according to the what matters is when you did the according to what matters is not when you do the when you eat it what do you see from Shim clearly holds that even after you here's the point. Even after you the it's in the until you eat it, it still has we still relate it to the we still look at it as a so that if you're going to be of the other one this is now going to have a dinner where it's going to have to go according to all we care about is when you did it. So as long as I shed it before this I'm going to be fine according to what matters is not when you what matters is when you eat it even after retains kadusha. Oh, even after it retains kadusha that's the case after you have now comes time to skin it and you want to know can I skin it by its feet according to according to the you see it loses its kadusha doesn't have it once but that it still has in this convoluted case until you actually eat it you see even after that maintains that's going to be the who's sensitive subtle biz when it comes to it says once was why didn't he make meaning is sensitive to subtle when it comes to shouldn't he feel that way for the is going to ask the question in the reverse as well if is sensitive to it by shouldn't he be sensit to it by as well meaning why is from at the end of the day it's two it's two one is a but it's based on the same thing that an animal that's a that has a and it you still has kadusha says can't eat from it or go can't eat from it even can't eat from it according to says you look at it as a much more complicated case but that's both saying the same thing so why is It sounds like and why is not is very simple because had we only had you could have argued maybe only said where it's you don't need human intervention to give it but as it relates which is not maybe lost over there maybe he agrees after loses all it says the reverse but look so let it all tomorrow says no you can say another is only that what regular not is after it has it still has you know why it can be that you can be that's a sign that it has a lot of kadoo but that you can't be it's a sign that it doesn't have so much maybe that you don't have to be sensitive to this type of and this is based on two things in yesterday's number one you can't be number two the fact that you can't be po something is usually a sign of less kadusha not more kadusha so that you can be you know what I see from there that there's a lot of kadusha it's kadusha that's why you can be maybe and that's why maybe I have to be more sensitive but as relates to that you can't be maybe it's because it has less kadusha so the says there's a to say only even though they're essentially saying the same thing but at the same time it's not one would hold the other that's what said that is going according to the says says that when it comes to you can't skim it in the old fashioned way you have to be very sensitive to it what was the first you're let sell it however you want to sell it even if it involves degrading the kachchin. Why? Because who's profiting from an ectish? So ectish is going to profit. We're willing to look away from a little bit of a bazia. That's something that we're willing to do. So why does say the same thing that let's skin the animal in the oldfashioned way? Because the profit the hide that you're going to remove from this animal is going to belong to heish. So even if it involves a little bit of a biz, but being that hectish is the beneficiary of it, isn't that a good enough reason you should be able to do it? Meaning what do you see from the Mishna? So why don't you say the same thing here is if you skin the animal in the way so the height is going to be worth money but it's going to involve removing some of the bosser of the animal. So really from a profit and loss standpoint it's you're not really profiting because what you're making on the you're losing on the so there's no tless net [clears throat] profit as far as he is concerned it's for that reason doesn't apply either way going back to the original the which said that the question was why not said they used to say over in the name of the reason he's not allowed to do it is because being that removing the entire skin usually involve taking the skin the hide and using it for commercial usage. So it looks like you're doing a with the looks like it's in a commercial factory. That's not a good thing with you can't even do something that gives off the appearance has the optics as if you're doing with if you're going to say that you're allowed to remove the entire skin. A person's going to say you know what I'm not going to skin the animal yet. I'm going to wait until I find a buyer. The guy comes and he tells me he wants the entire hide and then I'm going to skin it. In the meantime, the animals going to be lying around which is also something that we always discourage because when kachum lies around you're at risk of being from the kachch which was a very difficult thing not to do and that's something that's very or even you're have to bring a carbon. So we just want you to just sh the animal do what you're supposed to do with it even when it has a there's an is right. So the point is is we don't want to give people a reason to leave the animal around. So what we said was a market anyways can't skin it in that way. If you can't skin it, you're not going to wait for a buyer that's looking to buy something like that and like this you'll be able to avoid this issue exe and we start the next Mishna just wanted to go back to one that we spoke about yesterday. So at the end of yesterday's daf we mentioned or we said we were going to mention then we digressed and we never spoke out. So I think it was pretty self-evident what the fiscasha was but we didn't speak it out. So I think it's to just go back and mention the so we spoke out in a fascinating story. There was a a person who had a business in the gal and he hired an employee from down south. He worked for him for 3 years and he tells his boss that said, "I'd like to go home to my family. Could you please pay me?" Told him he has no money. and he was he felt terrible but he said okay he has no money he has no money so he goes back home after yontiff the boss shows up at his employees door he comes in and he has money for him and he gives him everything and then he says by the way I'm just curious when I told you I had no money and he went through and he told him he said I'll tell you the truth I was lavos says that this p had this unbelievable me of being able to be dusk and it's in the context of a gumra that tells many many stories of what it means means to be done as the belt says that the said that why did Hashem create a chroma cup what do you need a chroma cup for everything has to have a a positive he said for the mitzvah to be done as sometimes you have to have a chroma cup if you think then it doesn't really make sense but the point is so the the p in this story was we mentioned that brings from the pan who added names to the story he says the employer was none other than the great rely Rebly rebin the employee was none other than the great Rabbi Aaka and the raami panel said this must have taken place before started learning and you see from here that even before started learning he had tremendous mid which is really says that the reason's wife the daughter of liked what did she see in Rabi that made her want to marry him it's because he was um it was the very refined mid that he had and said that if that's the case when say used to say you learn he had terrible midas before he started learning then he started learning and then everything changed he says but in light of all this you see that no he really had great midas and still he had for so he says you see from here that you can have the most refined midbas in the world but if you don't have if you don't But we preface that with asks from what's the mission. Yesterday we spoke about which is a form of the Pik says it's no less that somebody says that I want to be part of my I want to make it what type ofish I want to give it as a gift to a it's not it's not but I want to take possessions of mine I want to give it to a so you could do that it's called until I give it to the it's once the gets it then it becomes says if a person wants. He can make it says that if a person wants to be he could be but only some of his if he wants to be of all of it that he can do. He says how do I know that? So the explains of the talks about says it's only from you can take some of your some of your human possessions. You have you can take from your fields but you're not let go ahead and give all of it away. If that's the case, if you go back to the nuances of that in so we now know based on what was in his talking to and he tells him when I told you that I have nothing. This is at the end of the story. What did you think said? I assume maybe you took all your and you were told you're right. That's exactly what I did. I took all my possessions and I made them hectish because of my son. He says then I came to my and that's why now I'm able to I'm able to pay took all his and he made them right on that. How is allowed to take all his and he holds in the in the if a person wants he can it's not even it's not just not and even though the Mishna says it with regards to it's relates to any type of active So if that's the case, it doesn't say it was how could he have been and said that all should be hect from it. But I'll tell you one other beautiful cash another place where talks about a rebel in a this is an it's bombasha asked the following kasha he said you know is that just like just like carbon pes it's not only milo and carbon pes but milo and mak carbon pes Shabas as well. Why as a whole that it's not just the actual mitzvah but it's also the mitzvah. This is of peric right there's a paric called it's a fest of it begins with and not only but also and there's a very similarish over there says the same thing that as it relates to as it relates I'm good as it relates to carbon there too it's not only carbon Shabas but as well there's a fascinating exchange in the inab asks that it's not only true for you see it by shabas it should probably be true for all mitzvah as well person doesn't have and now and he wants to walk outside with a begal conflict but he needs it should be to make now making involves But what should be the problem? Or if somebody has a house and doesn't have a muzz in his house, could you clap a muzza on chabas? How can you clap a muzza on chabas? But says the coin who holds that even so even though making a muza and putting on your bag involve but right that's the writing the we don't mean clopping the muzz writing. that's the case according to it should be okay because it's says that's true says it's not true you know why the reason doesn't work is because being that if you want you can very easily get out of your mitzvah how you get out you mask the bag if it's not my bag it's a right so if it's not my bag at that point I'm not anymore so a mitzvah that I have to I have to bring kba how do I get out of kb aftermah. How do you get out of you have to do the mitzvah? Now it's a question of being even but a mitzvah that you can get out of there's a how do I get out of it? What's the I can be my it's not mine anymore now it's I could be my mine it's not my bias anymore. So there's a way out. If there's a way out in that case you don't have so his question was that somebody that doesn't own property a person who does not have any character who was parted from bringing the garba. So we know the Gmorra says that someone who didn't have was part of being because it says that when Hashem's going to watch your property only someone that has property that's included in the that are going to be who's going to watch the property. Hem says I'll take care of it. Only someone that's included in that has a that's a says a different he says it like it's a but says that just like someone who didn't have was from someone that doesn't have is from bringing the carbon holds Why is Why don't you say that if the person's m his property he's going to have no if he has no he's going to be punted from the car. SO SAY JUST like said that you can't make you can't write. What do you mean it's mitzvah? Why don't you say I can be my part? So say the same thing. I can be ma bought from it doesn't work. You know why? Who say you can't be maf? I have a baggage. Okay. You have a whole closet of clothing. There's I'll be maf. No one says you can't be maf. But in order to be from carbon p you have to be maf all your ka because if you have one parcel of land now you're going to be it's rebar but it's me it's the it's the me that's the punch You can take some of your field not all of your field. Why you not let to give everything away? And like said, if this is true when it comes to give it away, that's something that you're not allowed to do. Says, we're handling re this not let give it all away. If you can't give it all away, that was what told gorgeous with beautiful terrace. Om on that note another of some more raid to get there was aar that had too much blood. So once upon a time there was a concept where medically people felt that if you removed some blood from a person or from an animal what's known as bloodletting it would be considered a raff. So we're dealing over here with an animal that's a bur that it has too much dam in the eyes of the veterinarians and what they feel we need to do is we need to remove some blood from this bkar. So the question is are you allowed to remove dham from a bkar are you not let move down from akar says the even if the doctors say that it's going to die says you're never let remove the dam now the truth is like this and this is very important sometimes removing dam involved making a sometimes it didn't involve making a now if it involves making a that's a whole different sh because it says in the not let it be that's we'll see on the bottom of the but you can be or you can remove without being is period. It doesn't matter if you are being or if you're not being is you're never allowed to be say no I disagree with the act is you could be you can remove blood from this you just have to be careful make sure there's no let's say you by mistake made then you shouldn't eat it the very least don't benefit from it dealing with now that it has a you could eat it so if you were the one that was you know you did it by mistake it doesn't matter don't eat it is a He says so you have three you have that we need is the question is it involves don't do it let it die you don't touch it what do you mean I could do it in a way where it's not going to make a doesn't matter I'm worried you find you know you're dealing with money by mistake you're going to make the m in the wrong place and and you're going to it's not a good idea so don't touch this animal you have [snorts] to let it die says say no beam just be careful don't make and finally says you can beam you can even make something that's going to really expand on these that had too much you could be in a place where you're not making says you could be just don't make a you could even do it in a is where it's which was in the he just however it is don't you have in the as well who says the same thing he said in the which is you could even make a he just adds then after you make the if you want to you want to benefit from it that's also going to be okay says that like he said in the even if it's going to die is that you're never allowed to be was learning with his son. Some say it was that was learning with his son. And he said overl this is that you have over here this three-way. It's four but it's it's really a three-way threeas that we had in the this you need to be mak. So one shittita let's work with the shittas in the bice because that's what the gar is going to work with the first sheet is re mayor he who said that you could be makazdam just don't make a mum the second was the that said you could be makdam and you could even make a m the third was that you can go ahead you could do whatever you want says the that these same threeas that we had in the braas or you find in a mishna as well thean this is a mishna suffic now there's a suffic whether it became or not now that's a allowed to eat that's a is not allowed to eat so what did a do if you had truma that was tame so there were other things that you can use it for so for example they would if it was oil and this let's just use this example they would take it and they would sprinkle it around the room so it would give off a good aroma it would give off a a good smell if you have shuma that's to you're not allowed to do that you it. You can't just let it go to waste. So, [snorts] Truma is very tricky because there's certain things that you're allowed to do with Trumatra, but there also certain things you can't do with Trumatra and vice versa when it's trum. So, if you have Truman now, that's a suffic if it's sufficient. You really can't do anything because you can't treat it like Truma because maybe it's you can't treat it like Truma because maybe it's so this is the the predicament that the here was in. They had this you're not really sure how to treat it says if this wasn't a meaning if it was in an exposed area a place where there's a chance that it's going to become you have to move it to a place where you know it's protected make sure it doesn't become it's already suffic but so maybe it's so he says put it in a in a safe place if it was exposed says no just the opposite if you ask I think just the opposite. If right now it's in a place where it's ne for sure not going to become tummy expose it. You know why? Because if it's going to remain in a state of safety, you'll never be able to do anything with it. So I would recommend says Yeshua that what you should do is expose it. Let it become once it becomes then you'll be able to least you'll have what to do with it. If you leave it the way it is, what are you gonna do with it? And then finally says you shouldn't do anything with So we have three sheet is what to do with this. At first glance this has absolutely positively zero to do with our right we're having a we have akar they have to be makdam and the question is what are you supposed to do says be makdam just don't make the say beam and make a raud says don't be makdam threeas right there's the two extreme shittas and then there's the in between here too you have you're not sure what to do with it so you have rebzer rebar says You have to protect it. Make believe this was really tar. Don't let it become if it was in an exposed area cover says no be and says no don't touch it. Don't do anything. Amazingly let's assume holds meaning says that you have to be careful when it comes to the not to give it a heal who said you have to be careful here too. Don't let it become cover it. who said you could even make a that's who says you could even be says don't do anything don't be even if it's not going to make who said the same thing don't touch it says perhaps and is going to take us on a little bit of a roller coaster here mayor maybe a mayor say that what that you could be have to be careful not to give it a that's a in that case fundamentally whatever you're going to do you're doing be a diet Right? You're going to blood. We're worried that maybe you're going to be make a m. So if you're worried maybe you're going to make a if you make a you did it. You did it with a so says no way. You can't do something with a but over here no one's saying didn't say what say expose it. You're doing it. You're going to cause it to become but you're not actually doing it. Maybe feeling maybe like bad come. You have to have the right sister. And maybe when did rebel say his that what that you have to protect the suffici truma or the truma that's safik to that's over there that's although it's also suffic so maybe it's maybe would be right now that it's t that's why he says watch it but over here with this vit isue not a sophic that is an issue there's a vit isue this animal is dying so maybe he lets you intervene meaning that they're fundamentally Different number one the case of the case of the suffic it's only a safic over here the animals dying so you can say would maybe not hold like re would maybe not hold like maybe the bio who say you can even make that's only because the animal's dying who said the would hold like in the case of because being that over there It's only a suffix that it's if it's only a suffic maybe they don't let you be what you just said don't do anything maybe said don't do anything by the again because you're doing it's only who said don't do anything when it comes to the says don't do anything what the is saying is that there's a there's something very unique about the case as it relates to this nitty-gritty lumbness and there's something unique to the case of the what's unique to the case of the is what you're doing you're doing so the maybe had opinions about if I do something even though the animal's dying etc etc maybe over there there's going to be an issue what was unique about the case of the is that it's only a suffic and that's what permeates maybe the so even though from a 20,000 ft level you can somehow say that Yeshua and Rab but really when you dig into it they're different and the Gmorra focuses on one very unique difference in the case of and in the case of it's only a suffic and maybe being that it's only a suffic right in the case of we're discussing where the animals going to die so each one has its own unique characteristics maybe that's what permeates the respective sheet either way but the Gar says that's One way to be between the two besides everybody agrees that if somebody didn't act with a carbon was not so if somebody didn't act with aides for the but if somebody didn't act with a carbon and some of them 10 of them so somebody didn't act with a a carbon that caused it to become and then someone did a second. So for example, someone caused the dough to rise and somebody baked it. They're both going to be why and then it says it's a to tell me everybody agrees if somebody castrates an animal so he mutilates it in a way where it now can't procreate. So is if two people do an act of cirrus to an animal they're both going to be as if somebody detaches the testicles of the animal but it remains inside the sack. It remains inside the scrotum. And then it says if you if you remove it from the scrotum that is you're also going to be for just detaching it then certainly for removing it must be but the puzz only time they argued is if someone was in What's who argued? What was the basis of the you have an animal that has a and now somebody was in that animal? It says in the you now let give an animal and what does that mean? You can't give an animal a even if it already has a hold no when can you be if the animal was a animal to now that's when it's a problem. But if the animal has a m already then there's no problem with being says that you can't be even for an animal that has a woman already. What does he do with an animal was born with a mean had before you then there's no reason to be if someone's mish an animal that already has a it's never it's like being a tree it's never from a standpoint that's nothing but so the point is is that it's it's a it was neverish obviously what it means is if someone had an animal that was hect then it got then you question can I be now it has a ready you already it's no not so fast so maybe you can't be either with you can't be that already has the said you only can't be mum if it's atomic what does the rabban What what does Tommyson that would just explain what did he's coming to teach me the when it comes to being learn how however do you know take a take something that a dog you know is going to want to eat and put it on the ear of an animal so that the dog's going to come eat it. Now, when the dog eats it, it's going to bite into the ear of the animal and it's going to make a How do you know you're not allowed to even do that? Bottom line is the is our of whether or not what's what's a Romeo says I'm afraid you're going to be that is an to be even for an animal that has a this animal has a already why because really the Mishna started with a already has a so a mayor who's in our Mishna cuz he holds that in an animal that already has a as opposed to the who argue in our Mishna they're not worried right says you can even do and even the says just don't give it a he's much less worried than a you know why he's less worried because he also has no to be in an animal that already has ais discusses that if this who is already had a m once it has a m it's already cool so now you can do whatever you want with it So what's the issue? So [snorts] says you have to say it was a it wasn't a real promise if it's a then why should the hold it's not in a so that already lends itself to a lot of raid but that's not the way that we're going to speak about I think it's to just speak out one with regards to the last that we was the last says that it's all said to in an animal that already has a mu [snorts] and they say it says only if the animal's a to be but if the animal has a already there is no to be says the abundant what are they with tell you what had just said I would think but that's if I actually take a knife and I do something to the animal but what if I only did something that caused the animal to get him for example I took a piece of cake. I put it on the ear of the animal. A dog saw it, got excited and it took a bite out of the cake and the ear of the animal was a it's what we know as there you would think that maybe that even a is going to be. Now this of is something that comes up throughout chass most prominently in the of the says right in the beginning of that is so if somebody's mazing somebody else and he's in an indirect way you're but at the same time you're going to bear says we know that when someone's mazic somebody in addition to the component there's also an mazic There's also something called an says that if someone is somebody but really depending on the depending on the sometimes and sometimes and what really emerges from this is that according to is a another thing you always have to speak out whenever you talk about gromo is re we know is and in other places what does it mean but of the two words is the same and it's because they they're very very similar they're both instances where you were mic but not directly in what's the difference hold but he's done in the beginning of not that way he holds gring the same thing but all argue with rash that the same thing. What's the difference? The difference is how indirect it is. When we learn, we used to have a hashtag directly indirect. So is where it's a little bit more direct. It's indirect, but it's more direct. So we literally have to sit and be how indirect was it. In fact, I think the Ramban it is quinti says that we don't even have the ability to do this on our own because it's so fine. So whatever kazal told us is grum is going to be grum and whatever kazal told us is going to be gami is going to be big because this levels of indirect if it's so indirect it's if it's not as indirect then it's going to but this is the of says that if that's the case that you're not allowed to be he says I think if somebody has and he tells them I want you to go ahead and be in this animal. It could be he's gonna be over the he says why because even though when does what you asked them to do they're not acting as a there's no for but they're doing what you told them to do as a result from your pers forget about from their perspective from your perspective you caused the to come about this hectish because you told the to jump he jumped he did what you asked him to do and now the next thing you know is you have a bakar that has a a m As a result, you're a grammar of being but he says to me let's say you would tell a god to do the same thing a even it's over there you're going to be because even though the person was listening to you said technically from a certain standpoint you could argue you're a groma you asked do me a favor would you please just poke a hole in this animal and the next thing you know it has a mo says No, because he's a what he does is deemed to be doing on his own valition and as a result and it's not to me I'm not even going to be considered a it's he says it for a but I'm going tell you a beautiful and that is invit it's sim He discusses the of and he declares a beautiful sh you find throughout chas right now it says you're not allowed to be moly in kim is the rabbis even a grammar is there mitzvah or is there no gma mitzvah what if I do a mitzvah but I do it but gro it wasn't a direct ma mitzvah it was an indirect msa mitzvah do you have the of groma When [snorts] it comes to mitzvah, whenever you find, you always find it in the context of a of a what about a mitzvah? That's do you have remind you have a mitzvah? You always find in the context of what about when it comes to a mitzvah? Is there is there no mitzvah? I'm going to show you. I have a beautiful mar he's discussing. So you have a new you buy from you have to say if you're says the can it's considered he says if you take a look at he doesn't just say that it works he says you're meaning the hit if it just so happened to happened and says the look of the and the says you could even do the it bothers me. I don't understand how the said you could do anyone that's ever gone for his wife the title knows you make I think right so you make so if that's the case if a guy is going to do it I obviously can't make a say break the how could the you can have a guy do the for you what about the gonna tell I [laughter] think the held that if you tell a guy to you, you could make a what do you mean? How could I make a guy? He says CUZ WHY IS THE doing it? HE'S BECAUSE YOU ASKED HIM TO DO IT. THAT MEANS YOU'RE A you to happen just like there's a concept of when it comes to even which is the example of where you everyone knows. Yeah. Boy, now everybody knows the ambassador that says if you're ming someone you see so you find there something called you could do a so why can I do a mitzvah so I told THE GUY TO DO IT FOR ME IF I TOLD THE GUY TO DO it for me it says if I did it if I did it then why shouldn't I be able to make a hel you can make a that's what do it's not a big deal and says the end this is I think the taz really knew this I think the taz knew that he says you know why because if the taz held that you can't be then what Why did he ask? How could you have a guy do the You're missing the bra? You're missing the You're missing the mitzvah. If a guy doesn't make me a mitzvah, there's no for a guy and and then where's the mitzvah? SO ASK A BETTER, RIGHT? YOU'RE asking good. You ask ask the best. You're worried about the old. Yeah. What about the mitzvah itself? You be the terra pes the taz knitzvah cuz the taz knew this. they mitzvah and by you telling the go to do it for you but they're a you mitzvah he had a different his how could you be make a because he held that I can't make a unless I do a you do a I make a that doesn't work and he sh the doesn't make because you need to do a ma and if you only it's not considered a he on the mid being that it's you need to do. So the taz was coming from but he says if the taz disagreed with my which is that you can't be he should have asked a much better another beautiful brings is a is in he discusses a woman that didn't light candles and it's not tast and she didn't like candles so what should she do says the tell a to light candles for you. So don't try this at home. You have the guide to light candles. So you tell the guy to light candles and she should make the brings it. If you want to look it up if you don't believe it, it's in height. The said it's you forgot to light candles. So you're going to have the light candles for you and you're going to I'm lacking 101. How could you [laughter] if I can't light? How can I tell a great life for that's worried about maybe I'm a BETTER says she didn't like candles the lit candles so you're going to tell ME what happened right here you know you know even the is not a because of grum at the end of the day when she tells the guy to go ahead and light candles of she herself with the candles. So since you see yourself with the candles, it's for that reason it's not going to be an issue. Either way, there's a lot more to talk about. But says Pesak that I think that there's a concept of even when it comes to mitzvah says he's not 100% sure it's but this is just some of there is a lot more. We can come back to this more than once cuz there's so many beautiful brings but I'll not like all this. It's a pallet says clearly that if somebody would tell but if you would tell he says it as a it's why not the acting assume that he learned it and he's but it's all based on this that if you tell a guy to do something for you it is considered a really if you think about it it's a fascinating idea that ordinarily when you think If I tell a guy to do something, you always think in the terms of there's no say no to me. There's another thing you have to take into consideration and that is not gr at the end of the day if he did it because of me. So I caused it. It's a it's a beautiful pit simple fascinating. I'm the one who caused this into me. You're right. He did it. But would tell you that's a that's a at the end OF THE DAY DID IT BECAUSE OF ME. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO TELL? HE DIDN'T DO IT BECAUSE OF ME. HE DID IT BECAUSE OF ME. I ASKED HIM TO DO IT. HE LISTENED TO ME. If that's the case, I'M A GRAMMAR. IF I'M A grammar just because he's a he doesn't obviously saw it differently regardless the concept of act being reminds me who says that if someone has a p that's an even though even this is another where the act of to the how so not even but rather because of the lundus of interrupt.