Bechoros 29

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But the point is that this is not only but it also has it's treated as a car stating that if it has a m a specific type of mum a m a permanent m then is that the ken gets the animal he keeps it he eats it but being that it has a mav he can't obviously be makid on the now in order to determine whether a m is a mum kaba or not a mum kava the k would have to take the animal bring to a specialist aka and he would make the determination if the person who pin that this is a kav was not a his considered invalid. So whether a has a kav or does not have a kav has a tremendous impact on and only was able to make the determination whether it did or it did not regardless somebody's a professional he knows how to determine whether this animal has a does not have a but he charges [snorts] so is you're not allowed to use his in other words you're not allowed to charge money for being the po the who's going to determine whether something has a kabu or not l there is one exception however if he was a was a person who lived in Rashi said he was aid and was somebody that allowed to charge money as a to determine whether something had or not they gave him a price list how much he was allowed out the charge. They said that if you're going to inspect a behemoth dhaka, you could charge four issures. If you're going to inspect a behem, you could charge six issaurus. Additionally, he used to charge money, meaning his price had no [laughter] nothing to do, no bearing on what the outcome of his was going to be. Meaning, you would think he got to charge money if he told the cion that it's okay. It's a mum kab for the kay. That's great. He gets to keep it. He can eat wherever he wants. He doesn't have the of bringing it as a carbon. When you bring a carbon dem there's things that have to go on the back like this. It's all his. Everything is is going to be for him. Ayo used to charge money regardless of what his was. There was a specific price that he charged. Really it was a that he was allowed to charge money because ordinarily you can't charge money stating that to do it. Now the Mishna is very clear that it wasn't only meaning any person that fits the criteria of he too would have the same he'd be allowed to charge money for being and it would be okay and the say that just what emerges then is that there's really two criteria in order to be able to charge money to be abus Number one, you have to be like a you have to be you have to be of a person. Number two, you have to charge money regardless of what the outcome is going to be. Either way, the is going to analyze this very short Mishna said that when the told that you're allowed to charge money, they gave him a price. They said for a four car my time. Why more money for a beagasa less money for a behem? It takes more exertion more effort to inspect the said he's allowed to [snorts] charge more money. say you would charge money whether it was a bal I understand why he charged money for paskkining that it's a because he's actually benefiting the cen and being that he's benefiting the cen so you have to pay for this that he gave you very simple I mean imagine he would only charge when he was m but he wouldn't charge when he would ask her he would be certainly incentivized to ask that it's a right people are going to say The reason he said that it's because he wants the money. If you're worried, you're going to stop going down that road. Meaning despite the fact that we were dealing with a who's already a person. He's a but still you're concerned that people may be and as a result you're saying that it's not enough to charge where you can't only charge if you ask him that it's but you have to charge regardless of then there's still going to be a muck for people to be why because let's say he so now he can't charge money right but the people will say maybe he's doing it because he wants the person to come back again and he's going to charge him that time. Meaning if you worry that people are going to be at him that maybe he's not being then you're not really alle alleviating that by saying that you're going to charge part you're alleviating it by saying if it's a time you have to charge also in that case you're not benefiting but it's not true because if it's a Tom then there's a good chance this person is going to come back a second time meaning he's not going to run to the bdash right away and until he gets around maybe it will develop a and maybe he'll come back So the gar just felt that you're not really addressing the issue. So the gumar said no they addresses what they said was what the said was is that one time allowed of charge a second time he's not allowed to charge and being that he charged. So there's no second time it's only one time you charge regardless what the outcome was going to be. And so that reason there's no so the bottom line is that is not allowed to charge money. If he charges money his is 100% invalid. stating that there is a very important exception to the rule. What's the exception? If the person that's was asy was a very person number two, he charges in that case it's not an issue. Why does he have to be? Incidentally, the doesn't speak it out, but it's obvious from the spirit of the Gmorra. because we are a little bit worried that maybe this person has some nas and and there's some element of corruption that's going on when he issues his if he's then he's less of a so it's two criteria number one he has to charge he's going to charge once he can't even charge the second time but he also has to be someone's he has a best but he charges money if you want You're going to have to pay for it. His arm somebody that charges money to say his is going to be bottled. What if somebody is back in the day there was the paradum and now he needs from the parad. He goes over to somebody. He says, "Will you help me? Will you assist me in the tyra process? Will you sprinkle the aph of the paradum on me? Will you bead the together with the parad regardless of which part of the process it is if you charge money to be somebody with a we look at it as if it's literally cave water as it relates to the we look at it as it's ordinary ashes meaning the person is not going to have any up to even though we just said that you're not allowed to charge money to issue to say to to be somebody with the let's say this person that's the and because of this service that he provided to you he became so you needed him to bear he goes to the place where the animal is to inspect the he's a and he was forced to go through to so the is being that you damaged him to a degree you made him to now that you made him to he can't eat his tuma So you're allowed to compensate him for his loss. You can feed him. You can give him to drink on him. Meaning you let him make him home. Let's say this person was an older person and it's going to be very hard for him to get to the place that he needs to get again to provide the service for he's not to charge him for the service. But if he's an old man and he's going to have to come out of pocket for expenses, you're allowed to make him whole of those expenses, right? You're allowed to send him a a carap. Additionally, if he's going to have to take a day off of work, he's going to lose money because of the day off that he talked. You're allowed to reimburse him for the losses he's going to take. And that's a very important safer of this meaning the Mishna which is also the previous mission says you're not let charge money for providing certain services. You have to do you're can't charge him for it. You're dying. You're an aid. You're helping somebody become from you're not letting it charge any money. Stating that the fine print which is you can't profit off it. Can't be what you do for a living. But at the same time, if you're going to lose money because of the service, that already not you have to do. So if you have expenses, you're allowed to have a ledger of the losses that you incurred because of the service that you provided. You submit it and then you're going to get reimbursed. You're allowed to be made whole for the services you provide. You're just not allowed to profit for the services that you provide regardless. So the Mishna said that all these things whether it's saying you have to do you have to do for free how do you know that my brother says and it's a talking so this is a in the very beginning of when turns And he says give back you the same way taught me to you know what was saying when he said that I taught you the way Hashem taught me just like when Hashem taught me again talking was he learned 40 days 40 days 40 days Hashem didn't charge right he didn't have to pay tuition it was free everything that he learned learned he learned says so too when I teach you I'm going to teach you as well. So was the one who taught us this but when he said I'm teaching you not just that I'm giving over word for word no it was more than that what it is is that just like didn't charge me so too I'm not going to charge you and that's a li that any person who teaches is not allowed to charge money for the that he's teaching just like from too I'm gonna teach it to you. Okay, it would have been a from here that being that a Rebi is not supposed to charge his so maybe if or money for the that he's teaching him. So if somebody can't find a Rebi that's going to teach him for free. So maybe he's bought them from learning. You say, "Listen, you know, if I uh know a yeshiva that doesn't charge tuition, then I'll send my kids to yes, but otherwise I learned it in the today, right? It sounds like you would say, "Oh, he's not going to charge me. He's charging me. It's from the Rebi standpoint." And it's from the standpoint. From the Rebi standpoint, you can't charge from the standpoint. Maybe I'm not to pay. So, if you want to know that's not true, MS is you should buy it. You should purchase it. >> [snorts] >> Meaning even though the Reb is not supposed to charge, but it doesn't mean that if the Rebi charges and that's the only that's available that the shouldn't buy from the standpoint. What about a Talmed who learned but he had to pay for it because his Rebi charged him. So now that he becomes a Rebi, he's going to say, "Listen, I paid for it so I'm gonna charge as well. Just because you bought the Tyra doesn't necessarily mean that you should go ahead and take regardless this mera of it's also this is the that one is not supposed to charge money for teaching Tyra but the truth is you see more than that in this what else do you see you see that it's not only the makar that a rebi shouldn't charge money for teaching tyra it's a m that you shouldn't charge really for any any mitzvah because our mish didn't say anything about teaching tyra what our mishna say mishna is discussing a that's a that's or aid or someone that's facilitating with didn't charge for teaching. What does one have to do with the other? Teaching that's that'sra that that's very very different but it's notra. You see from here clearly that the understood that this is not a that's exclusive to but it's a for all mitzvah as well. The truth is in different places quote that you're not allowed to charge money for doing any mitzvah I so we'll have to wait for the rate either way [snorts] for one of the things they charge money for is to help somebody become with the of the and if you do the is looked at as the apher is looked at as ordinary ashes tomorrow in a minute I'll ask you a cash I'm the with the forum or with the ashes of the even if even though he's and really is supposed to be involved in the of the stating that even if he is the one that was with the way explain the garra that the reason she's is not because the and the have intrinsic value that's not the right the here is not the actual apher oh now I get to keep the apher I can use it I can spend it I can sell it no that's not what it is the apher doesn't have intrinsic value the doesn't have intrinsic value it's not yours to take home to sell or do whatever you want with it but rather what happened is is that if you wanted to become from the of you would have to have somebody assist you. What this person is saying is is that I will assist you to become I will provide the service for you. I won't charge you for the service. Thus, I'm giving you something. What am I giving you? The service that I'm not charging for. That's the consideration that I'm giving you. and we're dead. And the truth is in the beginning that you can beh with but even with a service right the says if you dance for me to the extent that you're a good dancer you could be with that also because it's a that she's being from and that's considered something of value and that's enough to be mad is with. So what what are you being mad with? The act of being maza, the act of taking the ashes and the andishing it together. What's the gumar kasha? If you can't charge for it, saying you're not really giving anything. If you could charge for it, I'm giving you a do of shave. But if I can't charge for it, then it doesn't have a because anyone's going to do it for you for free. That means you didn't give me anything of value. our mission is talking about the actual the actual that is the mitzvah that you're not let charge for and from that standpoint if you with the act of with the act of the is not talking about the it's talking about taking the water that's going to be used for the parad and bringing it or filling it up that says rashi is a mitzvah for mitzvah You are allowed to charge which in it of itself is very interesting. In other words, even though we're saying that you're not allowed to charge for teaching and by extension you can't charge for doing any mitzvah to be a d to be an aid for the you can't charge for any of these things a mitzvah mitzvah is different. Of course, what comes to mind is the shami the shami that places that we've spoken about many times in in the raid and the raid bites eti make a mitzvah that seems to give the of a we see that this idea of not is that only true with Bobby holds that you don't make we don't look at a mitzvah as if it's a mitzvah itself but that mitzvah has the of maybe it' be different but either way that's the it's very that way says our said clearly that you want to charge money for the act of the that's the actual mitzvah what does the say it doesn't say anything about all it says is you and might mean it might mean it might mean the in fact it sounds like the is separate and the is separate sounds like you're you're preparing for it you're on the level this is talking about the actual mitzvah the is talking about the mitzvah Mishna said that in the event that you needed a coen to come asking a shila for you or to inspect a bur and this cyen had become by doing this. So now you're allowed to feed him food if all he had available was food. Why was a allowed to do that? Right? Is not let it become. So why in the world should it even be for to do this? Sounds like it's okay for the to do it. It's now can make the how was he allowed to do this in the first place. We're not talking about Risa. We're talking about he went to a bas. What's a bas? That's a field that we know for sure once upon a time had a caver and the field was plowed. So midday we assume that the plowing of the field got rid of this to but on level we're concerned that there might be a bone and something that would have the ability to be the so the go but only being that it's only a house. You're allowed to walk in a BA process as long as you blow in front of you. So you have to get down on all fours and blow in front of you. So make sure if there's an it's going to go away from you and then you can walk. There's a way for a to get through. No, you can even say more once many people walked through it. It was trampled on by many people. At that point it becomes where many people went through the bas it's still at that point it's already going to be okay meaning of how it's possible that would have been allowed to do it obviously what happened here was he became I mean it became you're allowed to make him or more like who said we're talking about Tomas M what did the mission say the had to become the assumption for some reason was Tomas M right he went through a bakar but who said it was Tomas M He became Tommy to he became Tomas. That type of tommo is only not allowed to become doesn't say anywhere Tommy is not allowed to become is not allowed to become was a different type of said and then the said that you're even allowed to reimburse a person. So let's say somebody has a a job and now because of what you asked them to do. So he had to take a day off. He's losing money. So is you're allowed to make him whole. Whatever he was supposed to make that day had he done his job, you can make him home. What you pay him for is the amount of money that a person would be willing to take to not have to work. Meaning you would say, let's say this person makes $100 a day. So you say, "Hey, he makes $100 a day. He didn't go to work today. I owe him $100." No, because this person makes $100 when he works. He didn't work today. The fact that he didn't work has some value to him. So why should you give him the full $100, right? A person might say, you know what, I'll take $90 and stay in bed today, [laughter] right? It's it's definitely something that a person might say. So you don't give him the $100 because that's what he would have gotten had he worked. He didn't work. You pay him the amount of money that he would have been willing to take to not work. Whatever that number is, $90, $80, that's the amount of money that you would have to pay. Was just that obviously this is not a a one-sizefits-all number. Each individual person that we're discussing, you'd have to know what his job is, how hard his job is, how much of a discount he's willing to take to not have to go to work today. That number, whatever it is, that's the pato. That's what you'd have to give the person that's in the is what exactly is actually the more simple and that is we're dealing with that you give him a when nobody's looking he gives it a maba he has an in-house that takes care of it for him and as a result he ends up with a rather than a which is a lot more convenient to the kind. So this was a who was to take his and convert it into a you're not going to buy meat from this person. Why? Because we're concerned that this person is selling you maybe something that's a bartam that even didn't have a m. Now if it had a a m So in theory, what's the problem? What do you worry? You worry that he took his and he gave it a mum and now he sold it to you. So what he did is terrible. He deserves a slap on the wrist for what he did. He had no business. I mean it's he was over by taking by giving it a but me at the end of the day. I'm not the one who gave it to him. I just want to buy his meat. I'm not eating or anything because once the has now you're allowed to eat it. So the truth is it's clear from here that we're concerned not only that he's going to give it a but we're also concerned that he's just a baky and once he's a baky maybe doesn't he cuts out the middleman he doesn't even give it and he just eats the as if it would have a bottom line is you don't want to touch this person's because he's a concern at the end of the day at least the way the Ram learns is that maybe he's selling you a bartan acting as if it was really aar Bottom line is you can't buy anything from him. And the is you can't even buy is the plural of you can't even buy deer from him. Even the right even that you're not allowed to buy. Meaning you can't buy any meat from him. Why? Because you're concerned that it might be a he's a he gets he's on maybe it's a that he's giving you. It's there's no way you're allowed to eat that. But as far as the that you would think maybe you're allowed to buy because can't be a can't have right could be right that was all the rage. So about you're not allowed to but at the same time being that looks like buster of an ael buser of a of a of a it's very hard to differentiate between the different types of meats you can't buy meat even the ber of that's the additionally you're not allowed to buy any hides from him any skin that comes from an animal but only if it's in only if it wasn't tanned the is going to say that once it was tanned we assume for sure that it's not of aar because this person at the end of the day he's running an illegal operation. So somewhere in back of his mind, he's a little bit concerned that the are going to come and they're going to find out what he was doing and they're going to take everything away from him. So it's not that this person would risk tanning his hides and investing the time and the money and the effort into it knowing that there's a good chance that at some point this is going to be taken away. So once it was already processed that's ana that this this is probably kosher meat. It's not something wrong that that he's doing something wrong with and as a result that already you're buy from him. Why? Because if it's you're not let to buy from him wool and it doesn't matter if the wool is meaning it was cleaned, it was washed was bleached or whether it's whether it's still dirty. You are allowed to buy from him thread that was spun from the wool or begotten clothing that was made from the woolen thread that had already been spun. And the is the same. The is to buy from him the wool that you're not allowed to buy because we're concerned maybe it's wool of you're not let from it. Once he spins it, he already exerted this effort into it. We assume that he wouldn't have done it if he had something else. What's the reason the Misha said that if someone's not allowed to buy from him meat even from a deer because we're concerned that he may it it looks a little bit like the meat of a kosher animal meat of a kosher animal you're not allowed to buy because it might be a bakar were very inclusive when they issued this and they said you can't buy from him the meat of a of a kosher animal because we're afraid it might be a and even the meat of a which is kosher but it's a so it's for sure not a but it doesn't matter cuz it looks a little like So this is just a very inclusive and clearly from the sound from him hides that weren't tan but if it was tan you're allowed to what's the reason it's what we spoke out in the he would have gone through the might find out they're going to take everything away from me so it's not worth it for him to go through this effort says my time what's the reason because you can tell the difference between and being that you can tell the difference. You have nothing to worry about. It's a good argument. Naturally, the skin of looks different than the the skin of that's because of the zak of the z. But what if you cut out that area? So now all of a sudden the of the is going to look the same as the of the now aren't you're going to say that what do you mean you see that there's a a hole in the area there's a gap so shouldn't that itself be a giveaway that really this is the so you're not going to confuse it with the says no because the person will always say no this was this is really the you want to know why there's a hole it's because came the mice came and they they cut at it says Now people know the difference. It comes down to a a question. Would you is it possible to tell the difference between the or is it not possible? If it's possible, there's no reason to make the on the if it's if it's not possible then obviously you have to make the said to buy wool. So you can't buy the meat of a kind you can't buy the but only if it's untanned. You also can't buy the wool. And the Mishna said the wool you can't buy whether it's or whether it's sight. Doesn't matter if it was washed or if it wasn't washed. If you're not let to buy it when it was washed certainly not let buy it when it's dirty. Why? What's the far we just said? You're saying that even if it's washed you can't buy it because we're concerned that he's going to go through the of washing it. So even then, right, even though we said there's a to say that he's not going to be too much with it, but the of washing it is a that we're concerned he may do. So if you're allowed to buy it when it's certainly you you shouldn't be able to buy it when it's says you're right. Once you say that you're not allowed to buy it, obviously not allowed to buy it. The Mish is not saying two things. Doesn't have to say two things. Say one thing. What's the one thing? If it's and by the way that's if it was dirty you didn't have to say it you wouldn't be allowed to buy it either if you are allowed to buy it once he spins it at that point you're allowed to buy it. So it doesn't matter if you're buying the spun threads or you're buying the begudden that were made from the spun threads. And again asks the obvious gosh if you buy the spun threads and obviously you had to buy the bead that were made from the spun threads. It's right the made from the spun threads were made from spun threads. So once the threads are spun you're saying at this point oh if he went through this it's sure not okay then if you can buy the threads then why would you think you can't buy the beod? So again just saying two things you're allowed to buy spun threads additionally even if it was made not from spun threads literally means felt the point is that it's not made necessarily from spun threads. Thus the Mishna is saying two things someone does what does it mean he's he do he does the you're not allowed to do you're not allowed to buy food from him not only can't you buy food you can't even buy is flax even if the pishon was combed what's the kadesh same like in the previous you would think that once he combed it he was matriak that's a riot that is not awesome cuz why is he going to get involved and invest in something that [snorts] maybe that going to take away from even if he comes it once however he spins the flax into linen or he makes a big bag from that spun flax at that point it's going to be like same that we asked on the end of the last mish pishon from him once he spins it into flex then the misha says and you can buy a beuette if he made it from the spun flex if you can buy the spun flex obviously You could buy the bag that was made from the spun flax. Says you're right. Mishna means to say two different things. Mishna is saying you're allowed to buy the flax if he spun it. If you went through the of spinning it, that's an that there's nothing else with it. Additionally, if he didn't spin it, but he made a baget from it, that too would be that it's not. And in those cases, he'd be allowed, you'd be allowed to buy someone who's to sell as if it's not only can't you buy food that may be trauma, but even which is something that has no toma, right? Water can't be trum even that you're not allowed to buy. Argues and he says, No, I disagree with meaning just because this person is to sell Truma as doesn't necessarily mean that you're not let to buy what does have to do with Truma. Meaning he's a but he's a for what he's for. So if you have to be concerned that maybe he's selling you something you're not allowed to eat, don't buy it. But there's no sad that it's true. So there's no reason not to buy Truma. Okay. What then can't you buy? says anything that has a zik it has an association with that you're not let but if it has no atum that's something that you won't be that's something you would be able to buy is going to explain a little what did he mean when he said again didn't say you only can't buy something that could be true that's not what he said if that's what he would say The will be very clear anything that could be true. So you can't buy corn, you can't be wine, you can't buy apples, anything that's subject to the laws of being that this person. So obviously you're not allowed to buy. But he didn't say that. He added language. He said so what's he coming to you? You're not even allowed to buy from him the inards of fish. Why fish has no to me that technically should be like says no because a lot of the recipes of the inards of fish called for sheas she is subject to truma so that's although the fish itself can't be trum but it qualifies as kosh by zikas trum mistress because it somehow is related to trumo because it could be the she's of truma inside the gurum That's a man when he was there was a butcher and this but butcher was selling non-cosher meat specifically he would take the non-cooser fats of an animal and he would make believe that he was selling the kosher fats of an animal. Also, we know from learning that even though not all fats of an animal are considered and in fact the Torah says there's four fats of an animal that are considered non-coosher. The rest of the fats are kosher. What this person would do is he was selling the non-coosher fats and he was making believe that they were really kosher fats. Shut him down and said that you're not even allowed to sell nuts. It's as if said in our that someone that's to sell not only do we say you can't sell something that might be trum but we say you can't even sell that has no to here too this person was to sell he was to sell that you're not allowed to eat and what did say can't even sell nuts nuts can't be right two different things and it must be it's like so what was this then why did he stop buying nuts told if you hold like you should have said this person can't sell anything he has to find a new job why nuts gives the [snorts] says that really held not like held like what was that just because someone's doesn't mean you can't sell anything no you are allowed to sell things you just can't sell anything that has anything that has a to the thing that you're for. So over here by and the reason he asked her nuts because nuts had a to this illegal operation that this person was running. Now he was selling what does it nuts says because children if you want to get them to do something for you so the way to entice them is by giving them nuts right it's the proverbial candy what he would do is he would find the children of his competition of butchers and he would tell them bring me your your father is a butcher he gets rid of all the non-cos fats bring it to me cuz I'm going to sell it and he entice them by giving them nuts and that's how he would have this huge supply of non-coosher fat that he was able to sell. So the way he got all these non-coosh was by getting children to steal it from their father's butcher shop. How did he get the children to do it? By giving them candy. So for that reason said this person can't sell candy. He can't sell nuts because he held like that anything that has over here the nuts were related somehow they were associated with his illegal operation and it's for that reason it was awesome for him to do incidentally this is a where even though ordinarily is likely is going to be like but ordinarily say that is not like over here So if you look in the mission, there's a little Vas with either way just one and that is so very interesting, right? Some you have to go 20 block to learn one Mishna. So here we had like seven Mishnayas in in one block. But the one of the themes of the DA was the Mishna said that if someone is of he's not allowed to charge money for it. The same is true. And the how do you know that you're not at a charge for providing these services? And it was also Italian when he taught he said what did he mean when he said just like I myself when I learned from didn't he didn't build me for the he taught me so too I'm not going to I'm not going to charge you either clearly in the and will speak it out like we spoke out we went through the d is that this is not unique it's not exclusive the but really it's true for all but it's certainly true for says that you're not allowed to charge money for teaching you're not allowed to charge money you're not allowed to charge money for doing a mitzvah stating that there was a very important caveat in the Mishna that's the safe of the Mishna the Mishna said that in the event that I'm asking you to provide these services for me and you're going to take a loss you're going to have to incur some sort of loss you're c and you're going to have to become tummy which means you can't eat your tuma or you're a z which means you're gonna have to hire somebody to take you on his so in those cases is that of course you can make me in fact even if I have a job and now because of what I'm doing for you I have to be buckled from the that I ordinarily do is you can reimburse me as a as a as a as a puck because the is that even though I'm not allowed to profit off of this but at the same time to prevent the loss that's something that you are allowed to make me the we learned here test. But the truth is that there's another gamar that very much complements this that you have to learn even in a just in order to understand on a level that we're learning that's in the says as follows was one of the he was a he was a he would pass in and people would come to him fighting and he would say I'm willing to hear your case. I'm willing to bask in, but it's going to cost you. And he would take an est from this and he would take an est from the other after he was how is allowed to do this folk. Isn't it not to take you going to tell me the push to answer? What's the push to answer? What's that's if you don't take from both of them because you're afraid that he may if one person's going to pay the other person's not. So you're going to be incentivized somehow maybe subconsciously consciously to help this person that he was taking from both of them but says it's not true because is that a reason when the doesn't mean that you shouldn't be corrupt when you ask for that we have a different what's the punch line of this price says You're never allowed to take has nothing to do with the corruption. The corruption that means you're not allowed to take money from someone that you're asking for. It sounds like says the even if both people will pay you still that is it's going to be awesome. So again, isn't it proof whatever the proof is or proof from that means even if there's no concern that you're going to be mishb even if you're doing it even if you take money from both of them even then it's When do we say it's not okay? That's if you're taking it as when Ka took it. He didn't take it for the actual. Meaning he wasn't offering it as money. You want me to give you a it was he was taking it more for the that was going to be involved in the work that he was going to have to do. Meaning because I'm gonna have to put in work. It's gonna take me three hours to figure out what the is and my rate is x amount of dollars an hour. That's why was I mean it wasn't wasn't like I'll slip you $100 for a no have to put three hours. Gave him an invoice. It was itemized. He explained to him exactly what he was doing. But says that shouldn't help but it's a which one second. What kind of did wasn't duration. It was decayer. Meaning it wasn't shott. He said, "I did I put in three hours of work. My rate is $50 an hour. I want you to give me $150." No, that's not what Ker was doing. What kind of was saying was, "I put in three hours of work." And because of the three hours of work, I had a rebuttal from what I usually do for 3 hours. That came at an expense. That's what the invoice said. The invoice didn't say I charge x amount of dollars an hour. The invoice said that I lost x amount of dollars per hour for the effort that I had to put into this sock. And that's what he was charging it for. Meaning it's not the ratio of our mish, it's the saf of our that's the same ratio that says that now to charge money says I don't have to incur a loss either. So what kind of was doing was he was just preventing what the says and this is where this picks up where our left off is that okay it's so you just takes who takes money it's disgusting but if he does it as disgusting and as repulsive as it might be it's something that's going to be okay what's in this Are we talking about a D that's taking money for the R is talking about where you didn't take money for the actual he's not taking money for his he's taking money for his it's quote unquote he's getting paid for what he lost out because of the work that he's doing for you it's the save of the Mishna Vton and the Mishna says or the Bryce says Mkhur This is very important because didn't say anything about so the say that even though it's okay it just means it's okay in the sense that and I can reimmerse you it's fine but in terms of whether this is a nice thing to do absolutely not one of the how is he allowed to take an from the from it's not he's not because what he took was he took it from both parties but at the end of the day why would do something that's gives a very important answer when do we say it's that if it's that's if it's if this is not something that people are aware nobody realizes that this diet is charging but that he took was you know why because had a And his job was he would smell the wines in the to see whether the wines were going bad. They weren't going bad. So he can advise people that have wine sellers back in the day [laughter] exactly what to what to do with their wine. So Ka was a wine connoisseur. He was a big mason in Yan and people used to pay him the zuza and everybody knew that that's what Karna did. So if Karna is now sitting and he's prosecuting a shila, it's posh that he's not doing his job. If he's not doing his job, he's losing out. So there was a that's something that you're allowed to take. says our mission said that's only if you you're taking money for the actual but let's say you're taking you're taking money for a loss that you incurred that's already okay stating that there's a price a price that our doesn't mention for that you have to go to with a price who says which the garra says obviously is referring to someone who's taking stating that there's a Within the world of there's a distinction and that's even though but it's something you're allowed to do. In fact, the great one of the role he took this asked said that a rebi is not allowed to charge money for teaching. So how do we explain the ministrol? The ministrol is there yeshivas and you charge money and and of course people charge money to teach tyra. So if that's the case, how is it this that the today is is that people teach and they get paid for it to the extent that this person doesn't have other than the that he teaches in that case it's going to be okay and the reason is then TS says and even if You have to say that today any person that has a job and his part his 9 to5 is that he teaches it's obvious that it's coming at the expense of of another job that he can't have and as a result it's considered that's something that's already going to be Okay. He says, "Okay, this is with this is the you learn this." Yes. What's going on? Whoa. So, uh, how you how you let charge tuition the pit that this is something that's okay? But if you go through really adds another says that it could be that this is a person's entire maybe it's different. Meaning K this wasn't carnosa. Cara had a parnosa. Cara had a job. What car do? who used to smell the wines was and charge money people money for it and that's the way he supported his family that was kind of so it wasn't to do it you're getting involved in you're running into issues but says to the extent that it's your could be it's not an issue two number one it could be that makes it or you could say that if it's your maybe it's going to be different regardless but but that's posit just to keep it simple that this with this would to the now it's just to mention we don't have time to go through this thoroughly to go through this properly but obviously if you're talking about charging money for for teaching that's the is right here so of course you have to mention the raamita is mentioned in two places it's in office pericid where the with regards to the Mishna hey and it's also The Mishna says a person does not want to make a crown for him to be great with. He also can't be his hammer. Your proverbial hammer. Hammer is something that you make with can't be your hammer. Hill used to say means say means not it's referring to but the mission is very very sharp and the here is one of the longest rams you'll ever see has a tremendous This where talks about this idea and he says it's very much and he says he looks around in the world and he sees people are not careful in it and you see from here that if a person wants to to learn to teach whatever it is that's great it's not like the says in the end talks about all the tremendous madas but if he's going to do this and be forced to take money from people or even to be missp but it's going to be through his Torah. It's something that's going to be awesome. And then the Raam says there's many rias to it. And he says his are that go through many that were and he says if you think about it doesn't make sense. Hill was an right hill didn't have the money to be able to go into there was nobody that was going to sponsor Hill. I mean if there was ever a good cause to sponsor Hill so Hill would be able to learn Tyra. I mean Hill. So how is it Shia? How is it Shia? says the rabb that the great hill couldn't find somebody to give him money to support him so that he'd be able to sit and learn the rabb says if you find it about he goes through many he mentions ka incidentally look at car is one of the great the great in we're asking kash from ka we're ka ka is one of the says what did ko do ka used to charge because everybody knew that karna had a job what k used to he was in a wine cell and he would be How is why is Ka doing that? He's one of the Israel says the because and he quotes others as well. They were all observing this says very shock very very shy said the same thing in it's says They're very tired. This is as sharp as it gets very very both times very stating that is which is longer than the ra's peace and is the ra and at the end the says he doesn't believe is the ultimate authority when it comes to And the Mishna who of course was the bish said he doesn't believe that the meant what it sounds like the rama meant and the mission says that I think what the ra saying is that a person should try his best maybe to be misspest himself but to fill in the gaps if it doesn't work of course he's allowed to take but after after the mishna mitigates the the punchline of the ra and he says no way the rama meant 100% what it sounds like he meant says like He says we know we have a works with as much as works with what's the m and what's but and plays a very important role in says We find that the Israel always was to take from the even though we know that we always pass like the certainly inn I believe that proves that the ra's is not says the reason must be and listen If the and wasn't people wouldn't be able to learn [snorts] and would be forgotten but because we have says the I think number one that the Ram doesn't mean what everybody thinks the Rama means but he says for conversation purposes let's assume the Ram does mean what everybody thinks he means the past in the he says but the end of the day it's not I know it's not because look at the okay but why not is coming from he's coming from what happened to what happened to all these says the just like we know that you're not let stating that sat down he wrote what do you mean you're not let he realized that come to point the gulas whatever that it would be impossible for to be transmitted orally and unless we're going to write it down with and be forgotten. So it's for that reason that we have and we have all the we have he felt it was it was necessary for otherwise it's in the same veins as the even if the right it doesn't matter as it relates to today we need people to learn we need people to teach and if the only way to learn would be if you'd be inspired like and you wouldn't be able to help somebody sit and learn and you wouldn't be able earn a parasa by being a rabbio by teaching and it's for that reason says and fears because it's for that reason you know there such a it goes hand in hand with the whole movement and the fact that so many people couldn't learn the whole day that's why it's otherwise it'd go backwards and that's this cassive mish that he wrote hundreds and hundreds of years ago that even if But at the end of the day, this is an incidentally the and it's on the side of the pit that are in the back of the so if you have in the back of your so on the side he has a tremendous tremendous as well. He has a tremendous and he asks many catches on the he says number one bringing me rise from hill. All you see from there is that maybe was but we have no for 12 years. So we have no to that. So we have no to we have no to we have no to these great sadik say he's very bothered how I'm coming he says not just that all the talk about giving money to another right someone's going to be there so many all those people are all doing terrible things then he says one very thing we know is said, "We've spoken out so much rate on this." That's why it's said, "I'm not teaching my son." No, I'm going to teach him. So, what are you doing? You're telling your son not to earn a part, not to have a job. No one can support him. He's going to starve to death. What are you doing? You're going to be That's not something you're allowed to do. How is he allowed to do that? He says, "Well, that's where was his was that I'm going to teach my son to have." So what what was doing to his children? What was he doing? The terror says knew the is there are people that that understand the in being in supporting wanted his son to learn and somebody was going to support him and he knew it was okay not like because if it's on the side of the back of the THAT WHAT THAT IT'S NOT okay and you have all the whole of the ra then was setting up his kids to really be in a situation that he's not allowed to set them up in all these other he for himself that was okay maybe it's a but as a regardless we have with the Mishna and very very shar we spoke this once someone asked and quotes the he says wrote this hundreds of years ago it's true today so of Of course, even though these Rams are very sharp, but the very important caveat and qualification of the and that is a it's not something that's relevant. And I