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You probably know Ribsilli Bournestein from the DAFF. Now Ribbsi brings his signature depth, clarity, and energy to Kamisha Torah. Don't just learn Kumish, experience it like never before. Just click the banner or find it under their category on the Lakewood Dafomi app or on whatever platform you're listening from right now. Today's staff is and we will begin from the par says. So if your buck gives birth to a firstborn male, then the Torah says, with a has additionally you're not allowed to share the wool or the hair of your firstborn son. It's with that backdrop that we have the following. If somebody's allowed to take his knife and make room by removing the hairs or by not removing moving the hairs a little bit to the side even if it comes at the expense of him actually removing some of the hair. Meaning if you're shing a and you want to move the here to the side a little bit so you'll be able to do a proper says why do you have to move the here to do a proper he says it's based on an idea that we discussed at length when we one of the five that govern even is a knife is not allowed to be covered while you do a so it's for that reason if you're going to shaft a very woolly or a very hairy animal the here may cover the knife and you're going to run into a problem which would render the animal in available. So it's for that reason you have to remove move sometimes the here to the sides said what happens if you'reing we are in the event that you're going to remove it here you're going to be says it's okay you're allowed to move the hair this way and that way even if it comes at the expense of removing some of the hair in the event that here actually comes out you should leave the hair there don't remove it leave it there it should look like it wasn't removed the point is for Maris purposes don't actually remove the hair. The same would be true if somebody had a animal and he had a shil whether this animal had a m or didn't have a m he's bringing it to a rav now and the rav is going to be forced to remove the here there too you have a similar which part of the is the referring to that's something that the is going to discuss either way and even though the is you're not let shear you're not let remove the hair or the wool and by the way this is true not only for This is true for bkar as well. Even if the bkar has a in which case it's to eat as but at the same time some of the still relate to it. One of them is this idea of so he says if there's a if you're worried about so how do you deal with the here? So he said don't worry about it even if it means connect what would be if you had the same exact sh and you weren't you regular this wouldn't be a sh because you're not it's one of the stating that being that it's so your letter to so the question that was asked of was if you're in and you have the same problem it's very hairy and you want to move the here to the sides so that you won't have a issue while you do the is it okay to do that or is it not okay to do that what was the shil the shil was what's the underlying reason of in other words is the reason said that don't worry about moving the hair this way and that way and potentially removing the hair by doing that because even if you remove the here removing here plucking here is not the same as shearing here meaning it says in the shearing doesn't just mean removing it it means removing it in a specific way using a kali so over here where you're not doing it although you're plucking the hair it could be for that reason said when it comes to it's okay but if that's the truth then it will be then as it relates to it's going to for sure beer why because you're certainly not let it be because even if it's not what the meant when it said but at the same time it will at the very least be a of a or perhaps they asked maybe it's not because is not maybe really is. So when it says in the even though it says shearing and shearing usually means removing the here in a specific way even if you didn't remove it in that specific way even if it was removed by taking the kits and moving the here a little to the side that caused the plucking. It could be that too would fall under the the purview of if that's the case why say it's okay to do it at the end of the day it says in the maybe the reason he said it's because the end of the day this person when he's moving to here he doesn't have to remove it it's the case meaning says it's okay because it's then it should be as well because of in other words they At first glance he said let us stop combing the hair moving it this way moving it that way be to be able to do a proper what happens if the hair falls out and had two and had to understand one sad was even if the hair falls out it's fine that's not because means doing it in a specific way This would be it's okay because you're not being when you do this maybe really is and if it says it doesn't just mean don't shear it means don't even do why is this okay is not to remove the hair and it's maybe is for that reason said it's you have the same exact are you allowed to comb here this way that way to be able to do a proper if the reason said it's because he held that true but is because even if it's not that just means it's not but it's for sure going to be as a resultant but if not because is not really is it's because he held because he held that is if that's the case then should also be and it will therefore be okay to do this. Now why we clearing this it's all because so once you have from that means this is so this was a real had to understand. So this was the question they asked. They wanted to clarify to them what was so he told him like this I want you to first verify 100% that really like meaning I know people say that said but said I'm not 100% sure. So go to Rafano Ravano notano but raan who was a of go ask him if the ravkinned like if he says that he did then I'm going to tell you exactly what said they went back to okay we asked said So now we know this is this is not just a theoretical question. So what's meaning would be the if you're is it okay to take the and move it this way or that way he told him if that's the case comes out really the reason it's in the now this of is is that permeates the entire shabas. And if that's the case, then from this exchange where said go speak to about what said regarding our is something that has global ramifications. It impacts after and what seems to come out is that Rav who like that is again just to clarify again because we haven't learned Shabas in about seven years. So just to clarify exactly what is if a person does a an act on Shabas where it's possible that the act that he's doing may result in Shabas. So is it okay for him to do it knowing that there's a possibility that what he's doing right now may result that unless you know for sure that what you're doing is it's something that there's only a chance maybe you don't have to worry about it and if that's case it's not okay. Now this is not to be confused where if somebody has a suffix if something he's doing is or not if you just don't know the is it okay to do this on chabas okay it's supposed to know of course not means you know the no in terms of the of what you can or cannot do on chabas the point is I'm not doing I'm not being what I'm doing is I'm taking a a table and I'm just dragging it along my floor could be I'm going to beer I'm no kavana to It's you're talking that I'm not going to be in that case where I had no to do the it's something that's going to be okay if that's the case seems to be that asks me that if somebody had a big cask of beer and he would plug the cask with a a cloth. So the [clears throat] is asking that you're now going to take the cloth and squeeze it deep into the into the cask so that it's going to hold it very very tightly and firm. The reason is cuz we're concerned that there may be a little bit of beer soaked into the cloth and by you squeezing it some of the beer is going to come out and you're going to do a the problem is do you have to do of course not if that's the case it's why is saying that it's not okay it's that raving even though he doesn't have a mind to do the but at the same time it's for sure going to be because everybody knows that said that even though but that's only if maybe a is going to happen based on what you just did maybe a is not going to happen based on what you just did but what if you do a you have no to do the but it's inevitable 100% that what you're doing is going to happen the classic case is what's the literal definition you can't say I'm going to chop off the head of a chicken on but it's not going to die. So I won't be if you chop the head off then it's obviously going to die right it's not a possibility so in a case where it's going to happen there it's awesome what the saying is that's not a regular both said meaning even though usually argue over here they both agreed that it's going to be that's why as relates to a regular like which means that the says still can't be said in the name of had a different gear in this. But the bottom line is either Rav seems to hold like that. Again, how could Rav said which after speaking to what emerged from the is that he was essentially asking even if we don't have a steer in from maybe that's not a regular maybe that's you see clearly held right you have to say that really holds that is and if that's the Hey that if you have aar and you want to do the and you want to make sure that the knife isn't borrowed underneath the hair of the animal you're allowed to take the kits remove the hair or move the hair this way and that way and not be concerned I what happened to the terraces you have to say that that's not and even though you may be here but that's not if that's the case why of right said that it's as well said is because it's because that's all there's no but with us it's [snorts] even if it's But it's for sure going to be a so why then is a we need another reason for it. So the Gmorrah says and being that it was done that's another way of saying that it was done with a for that reason it's going to be so as it relates to the reason it's okay is the reason it's okay is because it's being done at the end of the day is true not only with regards to it's true with regards to as well So this is as far as the reason why it's not the same reason it's because it says it's because it's considered a anytime a person does. So it's okay. The bottom line is it's always and is always like but it's for two different reasons. But says, "Is that true?" If somebody plucks the feather of a bird and then afterwards he cuts it, then he pulls the hair out. So for what he did for being for cutting it for removing the hair for smoothing it. What we just need is the first thing. What do you see from there? that is goes. So the say no is different to pluck a is so over there is going to be but as relates to where you're dealing with the here of an animal is not to pluck it would be to if you pluck it holds in that if said presumably holds like meaning passing like posit And he gave a whole explanation for what really is. So why is true? Because as it relates to it's because it's and if you do something it's going to be okay. So theor assumes that he was like because he held that this is all where held and if that's the case should hold that is but the says is regarding the that if it has two hearers that are black it becomes possible stating that it depends on how black the hearers are meaning if the black if the hairs are completely black then is it's possible there's nothing you can do with this part that's not a kash paradum wasn't so easy to find a paradum as I was going to say in a moment so if it has two black hairs you're already disqualified it can't be a paradum if however the roots of the hairs were red and just as it goes towards the tip it becomes black in that case it's going to be okay stating that you have to clip off the top part which is black and that's when it becomes mut so the say if there were two hairs on this where the root was red and the top was black so you have to remove the black part and everything's going to be okay so said this is the same gobb the you should cut it with a mispar the and you don't have to be worried. What don't you have to be worried about? You don't have to be concerned that you may be removing the here completely in which case you're going to be over the of [snorts] what you're going to do is you're trying to remove the tip the black part. So he says do it. Don't worry about it. I what happens if I remove the hole here? It's not an issue. Now first glance you're going to tell me who says you not let remove the hearers of the is talking about here we're talking about the ter says that even though it says but that it's true for all so anything that has all has the same is also so mean that it's have the same if that's the case why is it not an issue oh must be the reason it's not an issue is because So you see from here that he holds that is if was holds and he pass then says also holds how do you understand this so says you have to say could be by a you don't have the True is and based on that it should have the law of but being that it's not the to do with a doesn't have wool. So usually you're not you don't have the is there in the first place but the says is that true that's this by the it sounds like you have if you have how do you know that it goes in the reverse as well. How do you know there's and but the bottom line is is that we learn that the is applies even for and is applies even for what are you going to tell me there's no isiza because a is different the basis the says that you do have an isiza even by despite the fact that it's bas the culture better you have to for a different reason is different being that it's when do you have even by that's not a that's by that's something that has that means that it needs to go on the type ofish has the but as it relates to that's already different now the truth is whether is so this is already something that comes up throughout on the one hand the was inherently it didn't go on it was brought on it was brought on but then again at the same time say so with regards to for example is why the first is there a whole bunch of that are learned out from the paradum was funded it was financed it was very expensive and it was financed by the the why had he right to use the again it's we treated it like a carbon sour and a carbon sour was paid for by the shackle so the parad was also paid for by the shackle the point is is that although you do find on some level but inherently it's still I mean it's you don't have to say it's not It's true. It's only okay. At the end of the day, it's again. So, how could say don't worry about cutting off the black tips of these hairs. You remove the no worries. Sounds like at the end of the day, even if it's a rav what are you going to tell me? It's true. It's but it's only for okay. who said that it's multipi different meaning being that we're only handling anon because the iseriz of is only an isabon and to begin with is a that's how much or how many adumas were there we'll see at the end of the share but the point is it's it's something that's dealing with That's never said that there's going to be said he says you can remove the tips and don't worry about it. What do you mean? What happens if you remove the hairs? So it's it's only anyways never made this. Why are we even getting involved in an there should have been a very easy way out? I mean you have a price over here. What happens if you have a paradum that has these two hairs that are red at its root, but it becomes black as it gets towards the top and as a result there's a there's an issue. You have to do something with these hairs. So, we're getting involved in have a very easy way out. You know what you could do? Why don't we be this after we're can remove it and then you go ahead and you'll make it hctic again. What's the big deal? You can be can't be unless it has a but why are we even getting involved in in all these issues here is very easy way out. You have a paradum. You need to do some some work on the paradum. It has to go through an operation. You're worried you're going to be over says in the you don't want to be over have a very easy it's very easy to be cut by the remove the now it's going to be while it's do the surgery after it recovers the again and it's going to be very simple so the says you can't do that you know why it's very expensive what does pa mean you have to be po dollar for dollar you know how much money right this is something that's that's very very expensive and being that so expensive. It's going to be very hard to go ahead and be. It's not true. You could always rely on said even though when you do and it's supposed to be dollar for dollar, but that's only it's okay. You can take something that's worth a be with something that's even worth a true. It's okay. What was his happened already? It's already after the fact. You're coming to ask forgiveness, right? You're asking after you did it already. So, okay. So, said it's okay. But we're never going to prescribe this. This is not something that you're supposed to do, right? So this is one mahal answer this which like and holds is that means that also has to hold which is fine in this because held like even though he holds so you could certainly make work even though he holds that's essentially but the had a problem from a different in the parad and the had a with a whole bunch of and and a nice light but at the end of the day a lot of that we're forcing ourselves to say to reconcile's in that with the notion that holds that is held then that price is very positive what's the big deal you need to cut off the top of these two hairs Cut it off. Ah, you might beish. So, it's not for sure going to happen. It's not. And by the way, it's very just couldn't make it work in Rav because like and we know for a fact that is awesome. But if you can say that then we don't need this whole that is the next meaning and you're worried about you have to remove the hairs just move it to the sides and don't worry about the hairs coming out. What do you mean the same that you can remove the tips of the hearers that need to be removed? What do you mean? Are you removing it? So you would say because he also hopes and by the way held like which is that he held that the reason it's because of says that can't be because we know for a fact is if that's the case how could he like as it relates to as it relates to is because at the end of the day is at the very least going to be a to of it's for a different reason it's because It's and if it's something that's going to be okay either way said that said it's okay to remove the here. Don't worry about the here coming out. But if the here comes out leave the here there even though said it's okay to move the hair to the side. You have to do it with your hand to do it with the do you want something says what the say take the move it you have to change the gear not but rather take your hand and make room for [snorts] the Mishna said the same exact is going to apply to a meaning you have an animal that has You could be to show there of the what did the mean when it says did it mean that when it comes to a you're allowed to pull the hair out or does mean what it means in the mean pull the hair out? It means you can move it to the side. So maybe when you have a m it's the same you can move it to the side if an animal has a m in its ear but because there's so much wool in the ear it was very hard for the to see the another you can remove the ear and show the same and in the he clearly says you could do so you see it's something that you're absolutely allowed to do. said the said what do you see from there really it's just going back on the second if the here was removed leave it in its place but what's the point in leaving the here there because it's marine it looks a little bit And what's then the Mishna is saying that if you're shing it and you remove the hair, leave it there. The same is true if you're taking the animal to a to a a because you're worried about a and you remove the hair, leave it there as well. It's I don't need a mission to say that if I'ming it where there's less of a I'm standing with a big knife. I'm about to do a I'm just removing it. You're in a I mean it looks pretty much like you're not just removing the hair. you're doing this because of uh you need it for worried about a sign. So certainly if you're sitting in your house and you're just preparing your to take it to the to the to ask it's probably going back. So before we start the next Mishna which is pretty intense just two the first is so we had a of being of it says in the based on that you would think that it's also to pluck the here or wool but our is discussing the here of akar and it's for that reason we have aishn from who discussed what happens if the and you're trying to find a clean place to do the and you don't have a place and you're worried about is it okay for me to move the hair to the sides am I going to run into issues and the first question that the addressed was if I'm going to pluck some hair out now to clean up an area for me to be able to do a is that going to constitute or is it not going to constitute what's the question I'm shearing it. I'm doing it in a different way. I mean the outcome is the same. I'm removing here but I'm not doing it. what I'm doing is to and that was the shar but what also emerged from the is that this is only when you're dealing with this sh in the context of but in the context of which the addressed as well over there it's going to be because even if is notes so that ink does not mean to but in for sure it's going to be because on we know there's There's also and it's that at the very least is going to be of that's in this meaning when the gar is said that it's going to be because is for sure it's because it's a at the very least a of what of meaning said that it's even the of but at the very least it should be the of of stating that in the brings a rajbas who discusses this tomorrow at length and the rabb over there entertains another as to why it would be to be on par you learn it's a told of again had it said that it's said maybe not but at the very least it should be a to of stating that the says that could be it would be also for another reason and that is it could be would be kiter. What's kiter? You're not let removed tu from the ground. You can't take an apple off an apple tree. You can't pluck a c you can't take wheat out of the ground. So if I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to remove here, it could be in addition to the issue of it could be an issue of kiter as well. Stating that says the rabbiser. You know why? Because even though there is a called kiter and this seems very similar to kiter but there's a kiter the kiter is that something is only kiter if it's so if you remove something from the ground that's when you have a of kiter but if you're not removing something from the ground in that case it's not going to be kiter over here we're dealing not with the ground you're dealing with an animal pulling the hair out of an animal is not removing something from ka that of ka says for that reason says even though there could have been that when say that it's maybe it's of it can't be if it's not all it could be is stating that says that he believes that the raita will be that if somebody's toish here on chabas in addition to there being there would be to as well and even though the rajba may be direct that the only time there's a of The only time there's a of is if it's but at the same time it could be the ra that if you're going to be from a there will be a of as well and that's based on a well-known ra which has a lot of raid associated with it it's the over there is not talking about the rama over there is not talking about the over there is talking about the of dash so what is dash dash or metharic which is let remove a kernel from its husk. You can't take one thing from within the other thing on says the only time you have the is if it's but if you're something that's not doesn't grow on the ground there's no of then the says I'll give you some examples now of if somebody milks an animal on shabasar And then if someone's somebody causes a wound in a living being if you milk an animal you're mearic you're removing the from the animal. If you cause an animal you're because you're removing blood from the animal. It's the same thing like taking the kernel from its husk. It's d it's mafaric says how do you read one line in the raom to the next? said that the only time you have is if it's I'm gonna give you examples now somebody milks an animal or if somebody punches somebody in the nose and right now milk came out blood came out I thought it's only is not a says the you have to say like says that even And people are not physically but at the same time being that we're we sustain ourselves from food that grows in the ground. We're we have a like says the mag and therefore is considered a human being is considered. So although it's true although it's true that but that of would apply if you do something very similar to as it relates to a relates to if that's the case it's back to the envelope arithmetic said that said that is going to be a what's it to it's a side that it's even of so for sure at the very least it should be a to of guys. It's true. No one's saying that. But the question is, is there also another mala? Meaning if somebody does it on chabas, is he once or is he twice? Did he do one or did he do two? What would be the other side? It would be says the raj it's not going to be because byer it has to be ka and if it has to be this is not the says that where you have the same tonight then it has to be ka and still the says and the reason is like the mishna said because the are considered gda so if they consider gda with regards to dh then they should be considered ka with regards to kiter as well. And if that's the case, if somebody is in addition to being he should be as well and he asks this is the but it's just out. We know that is not is not why it's a brings many but also being but not just any going on. It's and even though I say but if that's the case what about there's no what's the difference between Shabas is just so gives a few that's always quoted is that is an say you can't do and even though Again the point is that is not it's not why because when you do a when you do a taking place so what's the when you do what would be the just a very simple question was sort of familiar with the lit why is it that briso which one it's not which one of the lites is is is milo It's you're being and being that you're being you're doing one of the but the question is which is doesn't say anywhere in the go through the it doesn't say so which one of the is one of is is you're not an animal you can't sh an animal you also can't be in an animal just like you're not to do a full you can't make what's the difference right or a it's all one and the same is because of the fact that you're doing a however according to the Rambam that the Rambam says here in that and it's a reason it's a reason number one who ever thought of as number is a and a person is not it's based on like the says that we look at the the and as a result you're going to have if that's the case every time you do a really you're dealing with that's for sure the in addition to that you're also dealing with the truth says that light this rate it could be it's kiter as well who said it's not kiter you doing you're cutting off the so why shouldn't that beer so you're going to tell me has to be saying that a person is considered so that's the case really every three number one you're dealing with number two you're dealing with number three you're dealing with so when we say that can't do is why because it's you literally have three of the 39. So it's push it that it's something that you wouldn't be able to do. If that's the case, I'm going to ask you speak out this and then we'll go over there brings says that until a child turns 30 days old, he's a least suffic that he might be a because we're not sure if he's going to be a bar and it impacts. Frankasha if that's the case you have a child that's not 30 days 30 days old yet. So you have a concern that maybe the child's not going to live and as a result if it's an if that's the case on such a child why what's the what's the because it's a suffic that this child is really about if it's not about there's no so if there's no what gives you a right to go ahead and do a brisma right you don't do bris on on a child that's dead it's only n gay if the child is alive I mean that there's a suffic right now if the child's going to live or not SO YOU HAVE HOW COULD BE the you want to know the you can do if this child is going to live the and if the child is not going to live so you want to look at it right now as if it's not alive so then you're just cutting a piece of meat what should be the now what's the to do it's you're making the isab is on. There's no on a maze. You can cut a a corpse on shabas. That's not a problem. That's not going to be you're cutting meat. That's not going to be that's not going to be. So if that's the case, you're allowed to do it. What should be the problem? Because maybe it's anal that it's there's no that's all good. That's all good. If you learn that which is awesome is awesome. So that it's a nafal there is no so there is no if that's the case but if you do the receal it's going to live it's not going to live there's no anyways because we're looking at as a maze we're in the that every you have to look at a two additional number one you have to look at a of and you have to look at of those things have nothing to do with the so it could in lungus we look at it as a mace from today till tomorrow it doesn't matter at the end of the day right now the heart is pumping right now there's dam right now YOU'RE BEING DAM RIGHT NOW YOU'RE being and if that's the case what's the he says he found this from the stipler in if you want to look it up tremendous lumbness but either way this is just a little bit of raid that's tucked away over here in that emerges from this that's the first having some fun the is so the said that right the was when it was discussing whether it's okay to do giza on so the suggested that maybe it's okay because even though it says which is we said it's it's true for all but maybe it's only for maybe it's not going to relate to says no it's not true it does relate to but say okay maybe it relates to but the is only and if it's only so then at the very least we're so that's posh right everybody understands that intuitively that was it was worth a lot of money the reason it was so expensive was because it was very rare it was but how rare really was the intim The Mishna over there brings with regards to the history of the first in history. The second one and after Ezra there were another five. Sounds like there were seven and then there were another five. Wasn't a five after Ezra Misha Ezra after that not another five but after that another who made these other ones made two made another one they all made one the point is two from two from another that's four and then you have another three the way the rabbi explains the really and both agree that there were nine. They both agreed there was nine. The of who says Ezra and another five just counting the five people the five the five that made but being that made two and made two. See he agrees it's two plus five plus two everybody holds this not incidentally in the end of says there's going to be a 10th one. That's how he ends his paradum. So there were nine paradum in history and there's going to be a 10th one. The 10th one's going to be but made by the Malik. So clearly it's rare but just to digress for a moment just one. So the first was made by who? It was made by mo. So I'll tell you an interesting rash which is tucked away right in the beginning of par. So it's not so tucked away. Interesting. Hashem is speaking to Moshe. What does mean that the is always going to be on this rashy right here says what's the beer? all the in history all nine that had they had to take a little bit of the moshen and that's precisely the way they were and if they didn't take a little bit of the that's why they were all called the par Tremendous because every single one of the that were used had to have in them a little bit of the par of a little bit of the apher the ashes of the paradum had to be taken and they were we had in the daf on Friday. What happens if you have a taras of aphera and a paradu you had to have a little bit of the aphenu that was with the the you were bringing at that time and it was only then that it was going to be okay. The truth is this is the says and all the right hand means this idea all the poor are going to be buff. You had the power of then the second power of had a second one and yet Ezra's power they're all but the was mean was kay because they always had to have a little bit of the apher and because they had a little bit of the apher that's how they're able to use it if you look here in the is called so the moh has a beautiful what's the reason why they have to have a little bit of the of he says because we know that was the he said he understood everything but he didn't know the time of the parad is the ultimate it's stating that say himself did know the time says that's why the says what's the says what's Raen I'm telling you the time of paradum but I don't give you to share the time with anybody else says was the ultimate he was say a rebi when he hears something what does he want to do he wants to share it he wants to give it over imagine you tell the but you tell him you're not allowed to tell he says that was the greatest in the world and his lo is he says it would have been better for not to know the to tell him but the point Mosha himself did know the time of the see the day says he says that when a mitzvah is done the goes into the mitzvah is very very important for the and all the that happened with that mitzvah all the bought throughout history they were the of the because no one really knew the time with all his greatness didn't know properly how to prepare the paradum CUZ HE COULDN'T HE DIDN'T KNOW the for everybody else was they couldn't do it with the proper but did so was prepared more than the other pus as a result every single parad that was ever brought had to have in it a little bit of the apher of paradum I was thinking that we spoke this out once the rings in in one of his he's talking about the the Arizal and he says a very big he says he says he believes that had access to the and he sprinkled with the he says even though he says I'm technically coming up with this on my own I've never seen this anywhere but He just didn't want to share with anybody. That's why was never to anybody. But really he says it's to me that this must have happened. Where did the get the eighth of the where did it come from? Sounds like it's always going to be it was mixed in with the apher of all the por that was subsequently brought. And this was the apher of the pra that the Arizal got. So again it's a there weren't a lot of potters. There were nine in history. The first one was parenthetically was all the other of the brought on that note. So is not let remove not let remove here from whether the is whether the is a is not let remove another. What would be if the hear of a bkar would fall off on its own? You wouldn't be able to have an from it either. It doesn't matter again if the bakar is a or if the bkar is a whether you removed it by shearing it or plucking it or whether it was removed on its own is going to be the same. In both cases, you're not going to have be able to have any from it. Stating that the discusses what happens. A little bit of a complicated case. If you had a where here fell off on its own here fell off. I can't have an from it. Now you went ahead and you shacked the or the died on its own. Can I now have an from the here or can I not have from the air? You was a proper you can enjoy it. So the question is that before the was killed the was but now that it had a or now that it died on its own. So what's to hear now? Could I benefit from it or from fell off and you put the here aside and afterwards says it's okay to have from the say it's not okay said it's true there's a between regarding a very similar case but you're misquing the case this wasn't the case rather was where the fell off the and then the animal died into a the animal died on its own. It's over there. We'll see more about what this means in the another what happens if you have that's we had the so here you have the that's wool that's removed from the animal but it's it's stuck in between the the wool that's that's on the animal. So it looks like it's attached but really it's detached. So the question is do you look at it as wool that was detached or not wool that was detached? really depends on what it looks like and we'll see more about what this means in the either way. So we had and had to understand the is where here of fell off on its own. As long as the is alive, you can't touch that hair. It's 100%. Now the bakar is not alive anymore. So according to Yehuda's version of the says it's now say it's said no that's not the case the case where they argued was not where you but rather died on it said it sounds like it sounds like he held that is going to hold it from this In the event that you it's only if it died on its own that it's going to be but if you did it it's going to be and thear says that can't be in because if it dies on its own it's going to be if you shacked it for sure it should be mut what's the difference when you anything that's on the becomes so it makes sense then that even the hair that fell off before you did it should also become mut once you do the if a bum dies on its own it all remains So it makes less sense then that the s that fell off before. So said that was only mate when it died on its own not when did it. It's the opposite of the right l you have to tweak a little bit what he meant to say was not but was not said where it was because over there everyone holds a motor over there. What was [snorts] when it died on it is only when it's a so we're going to learn these more depth at the end of the week but is that if someone has a he has a shelf out if it has a you can't just decide on your own it has a you have to bring it to a it's you bring it to a the has to be trained in and he would look at it and he would ask in whether yeah on that but without You can't just decide on your own that something you have to make sure there's a lot of when it comes to to so the point is you have to give the to a and only then could you know for sure that it's something that's going to be okay that the whole was only said if you had a already that this is a it has a what was the crux is the reason it's because They're afraid that if any here or wool that falls off on its own, you're going to be able to benefit from. You may leave it around so that more here should fall off. You want it to live because it's producing. Therefore, the said that even if you end up shingling it properly, everything that falls off in the interim is because they don't want you to keep it around wasn't worried about that. If a wasn't in that case, everybody is going to hold that. Either way, the Gammor is going to bring a Kasha Res, which is going to take us into tomorrow's daff.