Bechoros 19

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And the Mishna brought three as it relates to the first was which one of the two children do you give to the kite said you're supposed to give the better one to the kite said which explained means you're supposed to give the inferior one to the kite said but as it relates to the way the Mishna presents in the it's whether you give the better of the two to the ken or you give the lesser of the two to the as it relates to the one that the Israel gets to keep for himself. The Mishna said it's a safar because really you don't know which one belongs to the guy. As a result, you have to treat it like a bakar. You can't have because maybe it's a bakar. You're being from you wait until it gets a bakar that gets a and at that point the is allowed to enjoy it for himself. stating that there was another is this that now has a that the owner is allowed to enjoy and do whatever he wants with does he have to give to the issu who the gar said is said and then finally the third was what would happen if one of these two animals would die so thera gave birth to twins we don't know which one was born first and now one of them died. What do you do then? again said either way the now brings another which is going to mirror this first which is going to bring the same three that we just mentioned albeit in different contexts but again discussing if somebody had two both of which never had a child each one gave birth to a so what's very simple and you give them both to even though you don't know which gave birth to which but at the end of the day they're both they're from two different animals each animals goes to a this is very simple you give them both to the za what happens if one of them gave birth to a z the other one gave birth to ana even if you don't know which gave birth to the z which gave birth to the ka it's very simple has z you give the zak to the ken Because regardless of which it came from, you have to give it to the what if one of them gave birth to twins and the other one gave birth to one animal and it was two zakar and one. So that you know for sure that one of the is aar the other you're not sure if it was born before the or for it was born after the so in this case you already have a suffic so what's you get to keep one the other one you give to the kay meaning if there's two animals and there's two zakar and ana so for sure one of thearam is aar has to be right there's no possibility that one of them is not aar Could be both of them. I don't know. So one for sure has to go to the kite because there's one the other one is a suffic and as a result you're not going to give it to a so basically you're going to take one of the two you're going to give it to the question is which one you give the better one to the you give the inferior one to the one that you keep for yourself. You wait until it gets a moment. You treat it like a once you use it. That's what if one of the two died and you had to give one to the before you get had a chance to give the one to the better one according to the lesser one according to what happens if one of them died again. Again, it's the same three that we had in the previous Mishna, albeit in a slightly different case. The case of the first Mishna was where you had it was one animal and she gave birth to two. One of them came out first because we're going according to the holds. You just don't know which one came out first. So, it's one animal two. The question is which one is the three this next Mishna is discussing whether two one of them gave birth for sure to the other one you have a suffic if it gave birth first to a first to you have a over here you're not sure which one however it is you have to give one to the which one again you have the same three there's going to be a third What happens if the two gave birth again to three animals but not two boys and a girl but rather two girls girls and a boy or there were two boys and two girls over here the doesn't get anything because over here there's no because it's possible that the two were both and doesn't have what would be if there were two person had two animals one of the animals was meaning she had had a child already The other one had not had a child and now each one gave birth to a zar. You just don't know which one is belongs to which. So you have two animals. One zar has kaducious. The other one does not have kadushkar. You have the twoar in front of you. You don't know which one has the kadushkar. So one you have to give to the one you keep for yourself. The question is which one do you give to the so again the same you give the better one to the you take the give the lesser one to the one that the is going to keep for himself you wait until it gets you treat it like a and at that point you can use it what this is the where he explained the garra discussed in detail in yesterday's dip We discussed this already in great detail yesterday. But the longest of is that we look at the is as if he's buying the animal that he's keeping from the but as if it was and it's for that reason because if you buy an animal from a what happens if one of them dies All right. Zakara, what would be if these two animals would give birth to a zak and a ka included? In that case, no one's going to be because you don't know for sure that there's a bakar. If you know for sure there's a bakar, that's when these three is in trigger. Meaning you know for sure there's a bakar. You just don't know which one is is the bakar. Meaning when you talk about safkar, there's two safar does it have kaducious or does it not have kadeskar? What's the safar? You don't give it to the at the same time maybe it has so I can't just go ahead and use it for example this is I can't just go ahead and do whatever I want with it you let it sit and pasture until it gets a once it gets a now ready I'm allowed to do whatever I want to do with it that's the classic what's unique about the that we discussed here three cases that the is going to discuss now is that these are sufficar where I know for sure I have a bkar I just don't know which one is thear so then the question is not whether I have to give something to the question is which one do I give something to the that's a whole different that's a separate sim in those are two right here in the second which one do I give says the better one according to the missionary says the last one is on the one that I keep what happens if one of them dies says again there's the classic sophicar where I don't even know if I have a that's easy and then there's the safikar where I know for sure I have aar the suffic is which one is the bakar not do I have a bakar but rather which one is the bkar that's these two that we learn right here but these two are really made up of of three the first was she gave birth to two you don't know which one came out First so it's one it's not both. The question is which one? So you have a suffic which one is the second one was where you had two not one animal two animals both of them and you have three babies now you have two and one a one of them for sure gave birth to a one gave birth to a incidentally the speak out that there's no sad that one gave birth to triplets. You have to know that cuz if there was a sad just theoretically that one of them gave birth to triplets, maybe all three animals belong to one and then a was born first. So then you have to have a sophicar. So for some reason that wasn't a so we know for sure that the three came from two. One of them for sure has a the other one I'm not sure. Again you have the same three-way. And then the third se which is the safer of the second we have two. One of them was Bikra already. One of them already has a mishb the other one is giving birth now to her first child and you have again twoar. You just don't know which one belongs to which. The one that has a family its offspring is not a bakar. The one that doesn't have a family its offspring is a bakar. So again you don't have a suffic whether you have a bakar. You know you have a bkar. You have a suffic which one is which. And the gummor begins with the obvious question and that is why do I need three cases to tell me the same the principle seems to be the same where I have a sufficar but rather which one is thear. So how do I go about it? So you have here why did the Mishna have to repeat itself three times because that only had the first case the case of the one gave birth to two you're just not which sure which one is which one is first but maybe over that what you give the inferior one to the you don't give the better one to the and that's because two came from on. So over there there's no way to know which one is really thear and being that there's no way to know which one is really the hold there's no way to know which one is the right here's the punch line but in the case of the two where one gave birth to two and one gave birth to one maybe over there the rapt Maybe there is that there's a way to know which one is the you know why because there's a to say that if someone is born on its own without a twin it's going to be it's going to be somewhat better because it wasn't in the womb together with another child and as a result it's mabber then that just look at the animals and whichever one is the most mishubak that's probably the one that was not with a twin and that's the way you're going to know. So look at the two the one that's that's better. That's that must be the one that's that's not the twin. So maybe over there is going to be because give the last one to the is predicated on I don't know what to do. So moment but maybe over here there is no moment when they're for sure twins. They both came out together. So you don't have that litmus test. There's no way to say that. Let's see which one's better. That one probably didn't have. No, they're both twins. So they're both in the same exact spot. But in the case where one is a twin and one's not a twin, that was the case. So if so, maybe there's a way to to figure it out. So maybe at the very least, let's try that. It can get us at least close to where we need to get. And as a result, maybe that would be the right way to look at this. That's why we needed the second case of and had we only had the second meaning the first time and the second maybe over there said because at the end of the day they're both. So it's true. One had a twin, one didn't have a twin. No. No, that's not such a but what would be if one of them had given birth to children already and the other one not the third case. So one of them is akar. One's a first forborn. The other one's not a firstborn. We don't know which one is which. So they maybe it's easy to know which is the firstborn is better. So if the is better so this is going to be very easy. So maybe over here meaning in the first case they're both in the second case they're both what do you mean the first in the first case only one's only the one that comes out first but from the mother's perspective this is her first labor this is her first child birth this is the first time she's having a child it's a question was which one came out first but they're both to a degree in the second case they're for sure both it's just a question of did you have a twin did you not have a twin okay so those with the are can't be mak which is the bakar in in those two cases but over here where one is a bakar and one is not a one is the seventh child already so it's not a it's not a bakar it's being born into a large family so maybe there's a to say that the animal that's born to a mother through her first child birth is so maybe should be that you take the letter when you give it to the co because there's no suffic moment even you look at it as a suffic moment and that's is just one before we start the next and that is so you see an idea in the is using it in moment we even have that maybe in fact in his right said was from his whole as much as we keep on repeating the says from but the point is is that as it relates to There's definitely a theme that there's something something better quote unquote about than the other children and it could be therefore if you had a suffic which animal is the bakar look at the better animal now says it in the context of animals not in the context of human beings but it would seem that you can cut and paste and apply this formula and principle as it relates to human beings as well but I'll just tell you one that I saw in the mad kadash once upon a time it's in par It's on the So we know that has certain most notably when you learn he gets pan he gets double what the other brothers get. So the question is why does he get so he brings from the safer was one of the who said quoting for the most part are actually built. They're somewhat second rate. Why? Because they're born from but the point is is that the being that he's born earlier in his parents' life. So it's a result of and it's for that reason they're born and and they're built I'm reading from the being that for the most part they're in for that reason the Torah said we should give them a lot of money that the is gonna legally have access to money Allah You won't have to start making deny things which are things that people often do when it comes to to money especially for people that that wake up already behind the eightball. They have bad. So these people when it comes to money are certainly more they're more vulnerable to come to to these. So says the other you want to know why the gave pe to the because the was that this is and as a result we have to make sure that he's financially set because if he's not who knows the types of that this person is going to end up doing that's why we give him then he continued and he said that's why you think why do it's it's because of a he was very right and have kadusha So before the it was the you would think that it was no it's just the opposite. He said the reason is this is we had to be them. We understood that they need a little bit more they need to bear and as a result we tell them you come to the mikdash you do the if they'll be closer to the this will be a way to get them not to do this. Either way he brings this from other that where he said the same exact idea. Regardless, we have a gumar over here. That's just the opposite that seems to be more. I mean, this is maybe more physical. This is more in the world of he and etc. Just interesting as it relates to physical and and maybe metaphysical characteristics of a versus aut. On that note, another intense omit is a child that's born ceerian c-sections. It wasn't a natural birth. And in the laws of that's very significant because when the talks about a bkar doesn't just say the firstborn says that as well, but the also says and means the animal that opens the womb of its mother. to the extent that the animal was not born naturally. It was born. So even if it's the but it wasn't it didn't open its womb. It came out through the stomach. So it's for that reason which always has a special place in has a very spe special place in when it comes to what happens if an animal gave birth to and then afterwards it gave birth to a another animal and this time naturally. So to an a degree we have two baky or maybe we don't have any baky the to an extent is a bakar why it's the firstborn the assuming that both is also to an extent why because it's the or maybe no maybe in order to be aar you have to be both you have to be the first and you have to be the or maybe only matters right there's a few different possibilities in terms of how to look at this so what's again They they're both viewed as what do you do with a you have to let it sit around until it gets and when it gets even the isn't allowed to eat it meaning was on each one is it is an wasn't sure the the came second but after thus it's thear from the perspective is it a is not a wasn't sure the No, it's very simple. The first one's notar because not the second one's not aar because not the first one. It was the second one. It was that in order to be aar it has to be both the first one and it has to be. If you're the second but you're the or if you're the first but you were so not going to be so was about these two cases a the b the meaning the first one that's born naturally thus he said treat it as aar had no was 100% certain that the only time you considered aar is if you have both mileas you have to be the first and you have to be and if you're not there's noarly What's the wasn't sure if an animal has one of the is it these are both you have to treat it like is going to elaborate on this is the intense part so familiar with So this 13 and many of the revolve around so the when it presents different will sometimes use general language and then use more specific language and in gave us guidelines how we're supposed to interpret and hat that involve language of cloud. and language of plat the most obvious one is if the terra mentions and then the mentions what's the rule the seventh of the so what exactly is and that's exactly what this price is coming to address but it's speak it out outside first and then we'll go through it inside. Ordinarily, if the Torah mentions a cloud and then the Torah mentions a way we dion it is Rashi in his beer of the Gumar gives us a classic example of a clop of it's a example it's a right in the beginning of the Torah says literally the first A person is going to want to bring a carb in this is the quintessential. The says you want to bring a carbon. What's a Could you bring the says no it has to be a it sounds like any gives a not every so it's a rule is so even though is very general the end of the day you could only bring a a carbon from if It's not bucker and even if it's but then it was a and the rule is what would be if the ter mentioned another cl afterwards. So then it would be we would say the second is so that it's not but rather it's a little bit more inclusive. So that's cla then there's something called and cl that setup is exactly like the setup in this pic but there's one difference and that is a clat is where the cl is a little bit unclear it's missing information it's a little ambiguous so from the cl itself I wouldn't be 100% sure what the cl means thus it's prat it needs the prat to help it out the prat is like the rashi It's the it's the it's explaining the word. I'm not sure what the word means. The prat and the pr clarifies the word. The reverse is the same thing. Or if I have a pr and the pratt is somewhat unclear. So I'm not exactly sure what the pr means. The cloud and the cloud clarifies the pr where I need the pr to clarify the cloud or I need the cloud to clarify the over there. You don't say rather what do you say? You say that the prat is not limiting the cloud to the pratt. It's just clarifying the cloud and the cloud is not adding more to the prat other than clarifying what the prat is. So when you look at the cloud and the prat and you get the sense that I need the cloud to be mv the prat or I need the prat to be m the cloud. So then you don't dion it with a now what's an example of that first why is this not an example of that the classic case of says this is not a it's not a this will bring out the point simpler is not beer you know what a behem is so when you read these words oh what's a be everyone knows what a be is right so if you know what a behem is doesn't this clin doesn't need a prat. This is not a cla everyone knows what a behem is. When you see the pratuck is there anything unclear about the words bucker and so everyone knows what bucker is. Everyone knows what is and if that's the case it doesn't need a cloud to be or what it is. So this clim is not doesn't need bucker and to to define what the bea means. Bema has a very straightforward definition. Bucker and the prat is not the word to define it. As a result, it's not a it's a if however there would be some in the or there would be some in the over there you would say that it's not a but rather it's a and it's so what's an example of a and that we're learning right now. What's an example? It says in theory I would have thought in a cave of from the words. I would have thought it could be a it could be in a cave. So the says now incidentally that word it doesn't say in that that's in par says but the point is that it says which is a cloud and then it says which is a now this is a little tricky this is a regular this is not a or because the word zar is not helping define a bar could be a zer could be an zar is tokar what are it's just a good oldfashioned and as a result the rule is aimed which is exactly the way this is dening in the first of what we'll see of three in the so the first part of the ba even though we set it up as if we're going to now tell you this new novel one of the yuda which is the opening remarks is actually not that it's the good oldfashioned it says then it says and it means not every but only that it's the next part that we need I would think of what would be if you had a firstborn but it's not the firstborn child because before the was born and was born you would think that maybe it should be a bakar why The says and being that it says tells me that it also has to be the first child in the sense the child that opened up the womb of the mother and if the came after ana it's not the and it's for that reason it's not going to be akar had I only had I would think even if it came after as long as it's the pet it's a and it's So if it comes after I have it's the latter two parts of this which the is going to call the but says it's really the mitsa and the because the real ratio was the regular that's but it's the second and the third cases of this bry which are the and thel the point is that in this case when The Tyra says Bkar and this is the punch line of this whole discussion is that when the Tyra says Bkar Bakar could mean a lot of things. Bkar could mean the first child that's born. Bkar could mean the the Bkar could mean that if the first Zar that's a even meaning the word is a little bit unclear. We know what a beaver is. We know what buckar and is but we don't know what is. there's a little lack of clarity. So when the Tyra uses the word bakar as a cl and then the tyra starts using language of prat such as and zar you can't dion it as a clat the only time you d as a clat is if I don't have any in beer as far as what the claw means but being that over here the word could mean a few different things it's for that reason I don't have a right to dash and essentially what the bryer did was he gave an example of a and Again, we know that only has that I know from a regular but I would think that the first maybe means now that we know it means the first maybe that's what a is even if it came after said the of the is that the cl of has a that's being it's a cl aim tells me that the first zer is not kadesh but it has to be a zer and the first child that's born from itself from itself you would have thought maybe the after the so the prat itself is also a little bit unclear because the word does it have to be the first one also or does it just have to be the first so the prat isl and it has the clar so again the cl of is and the of And it's between the two that I end up with a as opposed to a regular told that from the itself I I I have a little bit of a a what's the what was the said that if a is born after an you would think it has kadushkar meaning based on the word maybe the first you would think it's a that's why we needed it's a to tell me that the first zar is not going to be aar meaning the word itself you would have thought maybe can mean even the first zar even if it's born after kamashon no and if it's not the because ana was born already it's not going to have kadushkar but from the word itself you would think maybe it does have kadushkar what's Obviously the t of the holds that the word could be even that was the retired from but the point is the word could mean that that's why the cloud it doesn't mean that but without the cloud you would think that maybe means even as long as it's the first even if it was born after the okay what's the problem the problem is the because what was the The said that had it said, you would think the first even if it was born after. What do you mean? What do you see in Bakar? Not that way. Do you see Bakar not that way? Because Bakar is to be a full-fledged Bakar. If you're gonna tell me and how do I know you're entertaining that because otherwise the not otherwise why do I need to tell me is not aar it's anyways not aar there says no it's the first and so how do I know from the word that a that's born after doesn't have because it says it is aar it's a so it's why I need it's from and that's the to be that just because you're the first but if you're not you're going to be this was it's a good he told him really is not a so what's the cash is the ratio why in the ratio do I to tell me that a za that's born after an doesn't have I know it anyways from the word is and if this was born after then it's we just said is the says you have to tweak the ratio a little bit you would have thought that if was born it should for that I have in the case where was born first and the was which was one of the cases where discussed in our Mishna that is not considered because right now it's the only it's there is no other so being that that is the only we don't look at it as even though it wasn't the it was born but it is the entire that already being that it's not a you would have thought that maybe that should be considered a for that I need it's a to tell me that it's not going to be a bar incidentally Rashi speaks out that the way you read the is not that the but the bry is still learning from the word that a zar that's born after an is but the point is is that the was why do I need the of to be the that's born after a is born after it's and you tell me the terrorist is that once we mention to be where it's not and that's only from so that would be the reason that the that's born after is as well but if all we were going to need is the one of you wouldn't need to I would know that it's from anyways because that's the first the second really is if that's [snorts] the case then what's in the how in the could we say that that's born after doesn't have kadusha why [snorts] because it says is then it's very good. But now you're telling me so why isn't it? Because it came after but it's the says the way you read the safe is as follows. If you're going to tell me that the first after why the write the word meaning the in the said is not from the word the word bakar teaches me nothing because the wordar can mean even the first because what we're doing is we're ding the extra word it's just an extra word that word teaches me this why because why else did the say if It's coming to a case where came out before the ready and the word it's not the mash of the wordar the word doesn't teach me anything because as it relates to the word it's the extra of the wordar it's the fact that it's the If you're right, which makes sense then why the ratio needed to tell me that the first if it's born after the has a because otherwise you would have thought is not aar because otherwise you would have thought it's a and really if that's the case you can't learn from the wordar that doesn't have because it's just from the fact that the word is extra. It's not the but it's from the fact that you have an extra word. He said if that's the case then he explains it. Maybe the word is only where was born after a meaning you have an extra word it's coming to something maybe that's what it's coming to your mind but what would be if was born and then was born maybe over there it should have why because there it's already and So when the Gmorra is saying that a pet that comes after is not the it means everything because means the firstborn and if it came after it doesn't matter if the was but the way is learning. So when the B said that from the word it meant that there's something extra in the and there's something extra is something okay so maybe it's only where you had and then so this is not even the first so maybe that's what's from the word but if the was and then was born maybe over there it won't be to the first of the not the second next super lumnish we're going to get into some real so some really really of the into the next few somebody bought a from a non-Jew he has no idea if this animal ever gave birth to a child or didn't give birth to a child. Now a go animal that gives birth to a child there's no bakar if you have a non-Jewish partner there's noar is already enough for not there not to be kaducious but over here you bought it from the non-Jew it's yours now you have 100% ownership on this animal it's posit that if this animal now gives birth to a child you're going to bear problem is you don't know the history of this animal and you have no idea if this animal ever gave birth or didn't give birth now it gave birth to a child so what do you do with this child does it have or does it not have says if the animal that you bought was a goat and within the first year of its life it gave birth to a child it for sure belongs to a you know why because an animal can't give birth to two children within the first year of its life a goat that is as a result if it gave birth to a child now you know for sure it didn't give birth previously oh this has to be thear if it has to be thear you have to give it to the after the first year it's a suffix You don't know what to do. What do you do with? We know already. What would be if it was a wasn't a goat. It was a sheep. Then is if it gives birth to a child within the first two years of its life because a sheep can't give birth to two children within the first two years of its life. If it gives birth after two years, you don't know what to do. You treat it like a part of what if it's a cow or if it's a donkey then if it gave birth to a child within three years if goes to anything that happens after three years suff gives birth to a child it's not a [cough] only if it had already given birth to a child previously that was if that was the case you'd be right because there's a a goat can't give birth to two healthy children within a year within two years a within 3 years I'm not arguing with your mitas said but I have a a that I think you're overlooking and that is what would be if an animal would miscarry a child the is if it gives birth to a child afterwards the child wouldn't because that's not considered the first child. It's considered the second one. The miscarried child is considered the first child. And a goat can't give birth to two within one year, but it can miscarry and then give birth to a child. Says it's based on that that I disagree with your explain. If the only way an animal would be potter from a is if it first had a vlad kay then afterwards we would say the second vlad is potter then you're right because if an ace gives birth to a child within a year it could not have been that it already gave birth to a but said that's not said what's the meaning what's the definition of as it relates to so that we'll say that once it has this the next child won't Tino that's some sort of discharge that's [snorts] a sign of a miscarriage as it relates to if the amniotic sack would come out of the animal that would be a sim that there was a child so that moving forward this animal is not anymore as relates to a woman either the child itself the fetus or the or the amniotic act the point is said I disagree with your in other words said that if an ace gives birth to a within the first year. It's bakar. Why is it bakar? Because it can't give birth to two children within a year. The same is true for in two years in three years. The is tells it's not true because although it can't be that an ace gave birth to two healthy babies within one year but it's possible that it miscarried and then it gave birth to a healthy and had it miscarried that would also pop to the second one from meaning the second one's also going to be a sophik bkar. So even if it gives birth within a year we still look at it as a sophicar. And the Mishna mysteriously concludes income. If you know that an animal already had a and now it gave birth to another child doesn't get it for sure. It's not a if it didn't if you're not sure. We'll see what this means in the what's the with regards to what happens if an animal a goat gave birth to a child within the first year of its life or uh ra gave birth to a child within the first two years of its life within the first three years of its life. We don't know the history of this animal. You bought it from a gentile. You have no idea what happened. The question is is there or is there not how you treat it during that first year, second year and third year respectively depending on which animal you bought. But what about what about after the first year for a goat, after the second year for a sheep, after the third year for a cow and a donkey? What's the over there? is that it's a it's a sufficient focusing on the say why do you look at it as a sophic why don't we say yeah there's a sophic if this animal had a baby or not But most animals apparently are misus. They do have children. So why don't you go busy? Assume it was for sure a child. And if there was a child then this animal that's born later is not. So why is it a suffic maybe you have to give it to the why don't you go aid? Is it possible that holds like throughout is that you don't just assume but you always have to be so maybe holds like incidentally was a rabbi was a re was also of he learned by then I mean by again but the point is it says the I feel maybe really that this be going according to the argu but maybe when did they go that's by going such as the case of one of the classic cases of what's the case of so there were 10 stores in a in a city nine of them sell koshi one of them sells non koshi now you found a piece of meat and you don't know which store it came from. So you go bus right we say call the parish may rub parish what's the case of the son there's a court case is ruis so you take a of 23 and we take a vote if 13 say 10 say he's going to be those are the classic cases of in those cases the we assume 100% the but those cases are unique in that the what does it mean it's the is in front of me and the m is in front of me literally The RA is in front of me. The nine stores that sell kosher meat are right here. You know exactly where they are. You can give a person directions how to get there. The mut happens to also be is in the case of the 23 dion. There's 13 that are sitting right here in the we know exactly who they are. We know they're the ones that said the 10 that said zak. So maybe it's over there with the is over there you have this but in a case with maybe you want to bring a from here. Wow. Maybe this is not such an exciting dick because this is a case not of but rather and it could be by everybody is is so we explain the is what's a case where you have a but you don't have the in front of us so what would be classic examples I mean this is a classic example what the other classic examples are not so we don't all these so an animal, you don't have to assume that maybe it's a traitor. You don't even have to be bite, right? The only you have to do is you have to look for circus on the lungs. That's the only you have to do because you're always allowed assume the right the right animals that are not tra are in front of you where you have all the animals in the world in front of you. Re of them we know are not tra and a of them are traus. No, the is not in front of you. The mi is not in front of you. That's how do you know if who somebody's father is not that the there's and then there's and there's no the lesser come on we just assume that for sure of even if there's a suffic that maybe is took place it would be a and was for sure would be thus you can assume the child came from the and based etc. etc. Those are cases where the issue the is not is the is what's the most goats give birth to animals during the first year of their life. You don't have all the goats in front of you with the that do and the mia that that don't. It's a less come on. says the Gmorrah even though we know the holy go maybe that's only by that's not by if that's the case it's true from the fact that's a that he didn't assume it's a but not necessarily that he has to hold like because of that's when the rabbon argue with ram but maybe come on even the raon agreed to ram so it's not such an exciting deal but the gumar says that can't be you know why this doesn't even get on to first Because because the classic case right somebody asks what's the but what's the what's the source exhibit a where did state of it's a case or so there's no and there's no meaning a cotton can't and can't be involved in I agree with you that a and a can't get involved in why because of a parish in the parish says ish which suggests an adult and once I know ish I know as well but why can't they do it doesn't say ish regarding so why can't they do I'll tell you cuz I'm worried that this cotton when he gets older maybe we'll be aisurus I'm worried maybe she'll be an islands and an islandist don't fall is one of the big sugis in the first bar of soarus and an islandist don't fall if they don't fall it's you're dealing with so looks at a cotton and he's worried that maybe this cotton when he gets older is going to be osarus he looked at he looks at a kana and he says maybe this katana is going to be an Island said maybe I hear but island is in other words it's true there's a possibility but you have arrive with regards to the can they do or can they not do said they can't do y because right now we don't know if this cotton is going to be a sorus or not if this tan is going to be an on the side the cotton or the island is there's no it's these parishes there's no way you can go near such a thing as a result you don't do it say that I hear but are not island this is it is or is it Aruba of course it's Aruba the Come on. You don't have all the and the island and the and the island in front of us. This is the last guy said over there of you to enter over there argued. So you see clearly that the is not only by it's even if that's the case it would apply to our Mishna as well. So again says that after the first year of the you have to treat it as a bakar. Why do you treat it as a safar? Why don't we say so what's the suggestion do you have to say like says the in the first yes the take away from this is therefore he didn't want to just go you could say that really does say that's something natural. So naturally most men will not be most women will not be an islandist. What's the here goats during the first year of their life they're all but it's only going to happen if there's a it's any that's over there could be you don't go over there the is you're going to be just one takeaway from this and this will segue into the raid that we're going to talk about tomorrow is fester raid in this but just one one and that is from the gumar it would seem that aruba is kam is a stronger Then the lesser come so much so the entertained that sad that it could be that argue with the maybe it's only by the but maybe they are right what was the setup of the had a from our mission that is why only does it means like says no Maybe the wholeish of is by and it's over there that argue with our answer maybe even in other words is a better from the perspective is a stronger thus the entertains the possibility for a fleeting moment but the gmorra entertains the possibility that it could be even the rabban who argue with ram And it's only but over there maybe and the truth is that supports this and that is a classic says what's the fact that you go right it's what do you mean you have a a B and you take a vote and you go BR But my question is not how you know you go by. My question is not on my question. Come on. What do you see in the gamar that even after the had a mar that by the you go the still needed a that you go by it's the same that is a better thus in our s that it's only that they're not even after you have the right yeah everyone knows it's a very it's often quoted but the brings different is how you know right what do you mean you need how you know right you know The said that asked the kasha but the said that only helps me for rub to come on. The reason you have to come on to Mak of and all these other fancy mak is because I need a for what do you see from there is not a riot to the other is a better than clear we're going to see tomorrow that in the world of raid it's just the opposite is actually a much better than let's tomorrow