Bechoros 14

Today's daf is and we are at the very top of a new Mishna. So yesterday's daf we mentioned was a very daf but more in the world of more in the world of today's daf is also a very shaf but more in the world of kachen and today's daf being that it's so cloy requires a little bit of an introduction. So we know that all kachchin can be divided into two groups kushas and kadush. In reality, all kachchin could also be divided into two other groups and kache. But you could take all of and you could divide it into either or do means where somebody is something and that thing now is going to be meaning the thing itself has an intrinsic kadusha where the hectish obligates the owner of that item to physically take the thing and be mitades. is where something is hectish. But there's no obligation to take the actual thing and be rather what one needs to do is take the value of that thing and be a classic example of is if somebody has an animal he says that animal now has to be brought as a carb in a classic example of is somebody has a $100 and he says, "I want this to be hectish." You're not going to take the $100 bill and [snorts] be mid on the what you're going to do is you're going to take the $100, spend it, and use the proceeds, use the money to now in some way or another enhance the [snorts] world of Hectish. So he can be either or it could be. Now is always so if somebody is something and he says I wanted to go by definition the thing that he just made is going to be. If someone is something then it can be either or it could be in the example that we gave earlier was somebody says I want this to be well then the animal has so it's and it's also but at the same time a person can also take a $100 bill for example and say I want this to be hectish I want it to go specifically in that situation. It's going to be but it's not going to be kadesh because you can't take the $100 bill and put it on the so it's going to be an example of that is going to be not but rather so this is a little bit nuance but this is kachim 101 really before you sit down to learn kachchim there are so many different hakas that one needs to go through and this is one of them again All kachum can be either or as it relates to it's always going to be as it relates to it could be but it's then and only then that it could also be today's daf theishna and the ensuing sug is going to discuss a carbon that has a so we know the tyra says several times that is not let it be macro a carbon that has a mum. The gimmar is going to discuss carbon that have a mum specifically from the standpoint of do we say that as a result of the mum that this carbon has from the fact that it's so dist from being able to be put on the call to that would mean that maybe the kadusha is impacted so that whereas ordinarily a carbon we mentioned is an example it's example of but now maybe it's going to be only kadesh kadusha or perhaps even an animal that has a despite the fact that it can't be put on but from the standpoint of its inherent kadusha that is not impacted and if it was kadesh it's going to remain kesh as we're going to see the Mishna immediately is going to distinguish between an animal that was kadesh first and then developed a mum afterwards versus an animal that had a mum and only afterwards one was mish the is not just academic in nature but it's very very fundamental so within the world of what you would think is once it has a that is going to for sure impact the kusha as we're going to see to what level is it going to impact that we're also also going to see, spoiler alert, the big kilik is going to be whether or not it first got the mum and only afterwards became kadesh or whether it was kadesh before it got its mum. A little bit of an intricate introduction but something that is very very necessary for today's daf. Again the topic of today's daf I think we know what that is now. It's it's [snorts] there's a term called that's something that as we'll see will permeate these next few. But the bottom line is on that note that had and the came about before it became hesish. Now the word mum kava is a term that we're going to get very familiar with. But in the world of m the only time something is considered a a mum on the highest level is if the mum is kav it's a permanent mum if it's a a so doesn't necessarily knock out this animal from being able to be brought as a carpet. So our going to discuss is where the kav it's a permanent not where it's a temporary. So again, so the Mishna says in the event you have kim, you have a carpet that has a mumava and the kava was there before the person was mish this animal and he made it into a carpet. So before the person said, it already had in it key word and then the owner of this carbon went and he was now to be clear a person is not allowed to be p a carbon to the extent that the carbon does not have a mum. It's only when the carbon has a mum that one is allowed to be ped. In fact, uh that has a that a person is p is what's known as again an important term in these but the point is that if somebody has kachim that doesn't have a kava you can't be ped if it has a kava you could be pedishna is discussing where there was kim that had a kava the kava came before the hectish and then you went ahead and you were at that point The animal to the extent that it gives birth to a firstborn is going to have with it. Additionally, the [clears throat] are going to apply as well. Additionally, they're going to be considered for one to go and now shear the wool off this carbon or to do with this carbon. Additionally, after the any child that this animal is going to have or if you're going to milk the child is it's all going to be. So in the event that you have so what does this all mean? What this means is that if you have the animal becomes and being that the animal becomes we treat it now like as opposed to as opposed to and is and is going to be. So really what the Mishna is saying is that if you have super nuance but all these points matter. It has a got there before it became and you applied it at this point. It's that is the first of the and the just gives examples of what it means. It's like there's like there's a like there is by like there is [snorts] by additionally now this part of the he says is true even before you were. So even if the was not yet it was that was you were not yet and a person went and did it is going to be from the 13th is not going to be applicable additionally it's not going to be subject to the laws of and finally and in the event that the animal dies you could be we'll see what the is in the as part of today's d and the Mishna says the rule that I just said is true meaning that in the event that it's and to the extent you are this is true for all with the exception of it's not going to be true for the and the mice. Anytime you have a situation where you have a carbon and this carbon has a however the hectish came before the mumava. So we're reversing the order between when the mum kava came and when the hect came or the animal had had a mum before it became hectish but that was a and it was only that it was not that the mum came about. So then the is in the event that the person went and the person was so now it's still going to be considered again you did everything you did in the first case of the Mishna the only difference is the order of when the came versus when you in the beginning of the Mishna first and then you here you first you and then it's and it makes a world of a difference because in this situation despite the fact that it has a kav and you so really you ended up in the same exact But like you are with like you are by even though you still and is going to be additionally if somebody would go ahead and he would check this is before you would be and you would have the laws of the mason if they die like we had in the first part of the Mishna but rather now it's going to require there is no ability to go ahead and to do a so essentially what did the mission do the Mishna said that in the event that you have a carbon that has a mum depending on whether the hectish came before the kava the mum kava became before the hectish is going to make a a world of a difference it's going to make a difference whether you were pit whether you weren't ped either way It's one. If the mum kav came before the hectish, it's a second. If the hectish came before the mumav, what's the highlevel gist of what's going on? If the kav came before the hect and you were what does it mean? What's the Mishna's way of saying it in a very lumbish way going to be if you weren't so it's not because you weren't but at the same time a lot of the stringent laws in are not going to apply you're not going to be it's not and if it dies and you want to be ped it's not going to be initial to be paid. What would be in the reverse order? What would be if the hectish came before the meaning it was hectish and then it developed this? It's like then it's a separate again what are depend on whether you applied or not that's constant but in terms of what are the way it manifests itself in your is going to be different if you applied it. So there the is it's not is going to be awesome because we still treat it as being before if you going to be and if it dies going to be the Mishna said there's two exceptions to this rule. There are two carbon where whether the came before the hectish or the hectish came before the m is not going to make a difference. It's going to be the same. What are those cases? Even if the came before the hectage, I treat it as if the hectage came before the so I related to the safe of the Mishna, the second, not the first. And by the way, that's of course why we're discussing it over here. this Mishna could have been uh in theoretically, but the reason it's over here in Makis is because if you're going to sit down and thoroughly go through every single you need to go through as it relates to Bkar, well, this is going to be a huge one because the is one of the two exceptions to the rule where even if it was will explain why, but even if it was we treat it as if it was. So this is uh the Mishna I just think it's to explain the Mishna and that is what's the really between at the end of the day you have a carbon that is has a it can't be put on the now you let it be and why would it matter what came first or what's the get of a carbon that has a mum kava where the mum came first versus the gather of the carbon that first was a carbon and then it developed a mum kav the is if a carbon has a kava at the time that you're carbon never develops all it is and the reason is because means that take this thing and put it on the but if this is something that's dead on arrival you were not able to put on the misbeh at moment that you were. So it never became so where it's by definition in the event that it was. So when you were it had nas now it developed a is not enough to remove. If something has a kua, it can't get that makes a lot of sense. But once you're grandfathered in and you already are a carbon, you are the fact that now something happened that's distancing it so far from the misbeh and it of itself is not enough to say that it's not going to be to say that you can't put on the misbehaviated with it and it's from the worst things. Yeah. But in terms of saying that it shouldn't be called that's not something it's going to be able to do. And when you understand that you just drag that formula through the Mishna and it has a different if it's then it's if you're then if somebody's and it's for that reason and there's a going to be the reason is because right now it's And being that it's so all that of are going to apply if it was it's if you go ahead and you're which you could do because even though you can't be if it has a I don't care when the came about I'm allowed to be so you could be there's a parish of but at the same time it's still going to be because pidian can't 100% remove pion could 100% remove because qualitatively it's not so is not something that pigeon could 100% remove and being that it can't remove it 100%. So it's for that reason even after and from oh this here it happened first and then that that happens that's not the point. The point is when it's [clears throat] you could be if it's still even though you could be that's the but you can't be that it should be by the way the same is true as it relates to if you wen what did the mission say if it's and you weren't So that's the last part of the but the first two parts [snorts] the simpler parts why why you weren't played it yet because it's there's no for those that are which by definition means that in the of the in the case where there if it's [laughter] and it's and the reason is because over there it's you're going to have the laws of you're going to have the laws of again it's a a very straightforwardish Mishna once you get the but really the Mishna is made up of and aa it's not just two cases it's two worlds it's two complete different ways of viewing this animal depending on when it developed. The mum before the hectish or the hectish before the mum is not just the is in the of the actual hectish. When you understand that that is really the way to be mayor on the entire Mishna. By the way, if this Mishna sounded familiar, it should have. We actually learned this Mishna together not so long ago. We learned this Mishna. It's the opening of the second half of the first of is everything that we just discussed over here. The reason it's mentioned over there is because one of the is and it's for that reason it was there. It's actually interesting that if you uh look on the calendar was we learned this. We're learning it again. What's the between and and between so we know the ran says is according to the mandama that holds the world was really created on what was and the day that he was born he sinned and ultimately was judged and that's why but the says that being that happened on that's became a day that you didn't started saying and he says that's why the min is in Barcelona that they start saying they wake up. So really in to a in a certain sense the start when starts on that some reason the book ends of of the is this that talks about the kush of the concept of a pidion every needs a pidion but this inion of kadusha somehow literally taking us from sea to shining sea from all the and on that note. So the Mishna began and discussed first the case where it was. So what were the first two right being that if it's we know the now it means now it's you're going to be but one thing is it sounds like the only reason it sounds like the only reason that is is because right that's pretty straightforward let's say the person would not have been let's say it would be and there would have been no bidion. So then there would be a there would be a matanis and the reason is because there's no and there's no when it comes to either but it's a little bit of aesh the reason it's a little bit of aesh is because we just explained that when it's even if you're not it's not it's only so you could have thought that even though it's true there's a that is but maybe that's the only Maybe that's not it's in the not that way because the Mishna says now it's now but if you were you'd be even though if you were it's only that's the whole it's the admissions of the opinion just like has the ability to be the Mishna continued and the Mishna said now that it's says in the but 100%. So therefore now makes the same it sounds like the only reason there's a riot at first glance because you see from the words That's essentially the same as why is it the same as so refer to the introduction because they're both so you see clearly that could have but says I'm says there's still a distinction it could be it could be our is only talking about right we said can be either or has to be but could be either or. Now our mission is for sure talking about because if you have a carbon the money that you're using for the pig is ultimately going to have to go for a carbon because for sure the kaduca was so you're going to have to use it now for the so says the it could be that when it comes to [laughter] it's easy to make the mistake between this type of and your classic conventional mean it could be this is only they said even which is a completely different category of there maybe not says as much as it feels like but Really if you think about it it's not because it could be the time of our is subject to only when it's and the reason would be that you might be with which is fundamentally different. It could be over there you would not have that. The Mishna continued and the Mishna said that once you the assuming there is one and the assuming there's going to be when we say that what exactly is the case is the case talking about where this animal was and then the person went ahead and was played this and now it's gone and then 5 years later it was it was says the I mean at this point it's what would be the I don't need a for that right you have to say the case is where the took place and the first happened right we saw the and the was the story with the can take a very long time when it comes to animals. But the bottom line is that the happened the happened and over here is that at the end of the day being that the happened even though the happened you could have had that maybe it shouldn't be but as long as the happened that's going to be the but the says if that's what the Mishna means that what emerges is and this is the right the went out of its way to And what the Mishna is essentially telling you is that the only time took place what happened? Well, if everything happened for sure, but that's not even what the Mishna means. The Mishna means that even if the Hebrew was as long as it was but let's say it would all be so in that situation for sure the would be that would be let's focus on the would be to the extent that it happened what would be the as relates to this right now if somebody wanted to be could it be meaning if it's a doesn't have a Maybe the only way one would be able to be is if it developed among what's the [snorts] is you can't be you can't be to the extent that doesn't have a if it has a then is if you want to be paid you can be paid and it doesn't matter what came first the end of the day the is that if it has a at that point if you want to be paid you'd be able to be paid wants to know the of a if you want to be right now could I be or does it have to have a what's essentially the sh like what's the sh is it sounds like that's what the sh is you could be all day every day you can only be to the extent it has a it sounds like is do we view this as do we view this as let's try to think about this ourselves this child has right comes from right [laughter] the the parent is a is an a carbon right very very [laughter] but at the same time it was which means that the parent is really so you would think If the mother is the child should also be so based on that for sure you should be able to be stating that what's not is because at the end of the day this right now is the child of a carbon and it doesn't have a so to the extent you're the child of a carbon and you don't have a so maybe you do have like it's going to be and being that you right now being that you right now don't have a and you have so based on that you could hear that maybe you shouldn't be able to be to the extent it's so the declares an interesting shil I think the second side is and that is that do we say that being that this is the vlad of d it can't be more than kush's and as a result it's going to be or do we say that at the end of the day it's the vlad of a carbon and it doesn't have a so it get so it gets and if it's going to Now Rashi speaks out that even in the second sad even in the second that it's the last rash on you that's posit you wouldn't be able to be mak it as a carbon no one has a that the of an animal that can't be brought as a carbon should be able to be brought as a carbon but at the same time there is a sad to say that it could be it will have a certain level of that would be in order for you to be able to do opinion says bring your eye from If somebody went and he was this is a female to be brought as a carbon and then it gave birth to a child before this person had the ability to be poed. So [snorts] sell the and it doesn't require a in order for you to sell it. In other words, it doesn't have to have a m in order to be ped, right? And pig are synonyms of each other because that's how you play to something by just transferring [snorts] it for guilt. So call it a call it a it all involves money. It's all one and the same. So is again if somebody has a case and the reason because it never got the first son in the and the reason because it can't be the which is the is going to be than the mothers if the mother was to just dumb him. So the ask says more parathetically it sounds like the only reason it sounds like the only reason it's the first is because but what would be the following case what would be if somebody would go and he would be mishar he would be mish a male animal a ram and he did it Once again, somebody is being mish animal that could be brought as a carbon and he's doing it however meaning he's doing it because he wants not that the actual animals should go on the m but he wants that the animal should be sold and you should take the proceeds you should take the money and put it on the right let's uh get this a little bit better says Rashi says the reason we're talking about right it throws you loop you have to pull out your kachum calculator already you know it's it's not a critical part of of the says the only reason we're mentioning is because had to be brought and the words of the carbon most people that bring the first carbon that the talks about and say is the carbon and so we don't mean and we don't even mean what we just mean is if somebody takes an animal that could be brought as a carbon and he says being but I don't want this animal to physically be put on I want the animal to be sold and the money should be used. So it sounds based on the price that we just mentioned that in that case would be it would be why because being that this animal could be even though you were mish only the but it's going to get meaning if you have a animal that could be put on the and you gave it automatically shifts into kaducious it will not be how do you how do I know that I know that from the previous really I know it from even the of the because you see from the previous that there's an idea there was a benam that it could be if there's a a mother that has a and as a result it's only and now gives birth to a child that child if it doesn't have a kav could be would be kadesh and at first glance it's a plea what would even be decide you could do something like that. If the mother's kushes, how could the child be kadesh kadush? So we explained it in the of the right we explained that side and what was the beer in that side because at the end of the day it has kaducious misbeh and it could be brought in. So it could be by definition that we give it a level of kush again not kush to put on the msb WE SAID BUT AT THE END OF THE day it would have a level of kush. Now the garumar was mic that was the boy of the gar had another side. No if the mother's kuch maybe the child should also be kush. NOW WE WILL PUSH AT THE OTHER SIDE. WE P THE MORE INTUITIVE side and that is if the mother's the child should be but what was the reason for it it was a surprising reason it was if you didn't have the then we would get that if I am right now and I could be put on the even though you would think based on the of the it should be it's going to be Dr. Gamoro that's something that we have to be mad from the Bryson. So that Bryson that we mentioned was but from there I can learn a second as well from the fact that the Bryson said I'm not sure that the of a of a animal that was is only going to be but I also see that there's a new concept there's a new concept And that is that to the extent that you have an animal that's and it's physically able to go on the it automatically gets how do I see that not from the would contradict it but I see it from the recent without that we would actually invoke this and says by the way you should just know once said he said it he said if someone's Again, it could be in a cave. It doesn't matter. We're just saying because usually people bring but it would be like moving along in the Mishna said [snorts] that if somebody would go and take this animal that was like again it has a but the came before the he was not once it's you were not and he goes ahead and he is potter he's going to be potter. So at this point he's not going to be for the [snorts] why is he not going to be for the can't be why can't be because what's the number one rule that governs what's the literally chapter 1 verse one of the laws of there's a for a person to take a carbon and bring it If this person didn't bring it, I'll pass say he violated literally the first tenant of uh the the laws of and it's for that reason but the only time there's a of is only if he would have been able to bring it as a carbon he can't bring as a carbon anyways. So it's for that reason this is going to be out. So either way, right? Pretty straightforward. says had a shocking gear in the Allah's was no that if it was fire if you go and you're going to be we just said how in the world can you be soar explains that he explained that it's talking about where this person brought it onet see the whole end of the raites but this was taking place right so bisman you were allowed to bring a carbon stating that if a person would go ahead and he would bring a carbon on you would be what would you be so we'll see now notice that's unique to the parish of but rather he for bringing a carbon that's once said all the nuance here is fire. How do you know if somebody at the time of it says in the and this is one of many times that the Torah says you're not going to bring a carbon [laughter] I don't need it for that matter because that I know already that's the classic that says I use it for as a that in the world of he were not allowed to take a carbon that had a and bring it as a a carbon and if somebody did that he was over in the what's the and for that he would get so had a different he had the again what are the two ways to learn the conventional way to learn the it means Every time you see the words what it means and that is it means and the Mishna is saying that even though there's a parish of right that's when it's in this situation because of the type of that it is you're not going to be not because he holds you it's no way in the world means something else means Malcus. What? Malcus. Malcus for bringing a animal. Malcus for bringing an animal. That's a malus for bringing an animal. When are you ever allowed to bring? So if the gear says it's talking and because not in this case if the gear and the is going to be then it's talking and if it's talking then the is going to be not but rather it's going to be av it's going to be of now what's the to this said it says in the that's his soar now is going to ask a bunch of so again had a but as it relates to the which is right the fact that you're not to bring a carbon bal whoever said that it's not a flourish in the anywhere. So Rebel knows it because there's an extra prohibition in the related to the but wants to know is it really extra I have a more logical way to apply this seemingly extra love in the maybe what the needs to say is maybe this is coming to teach me that there's an iss to be mac. Now why would you have thought that this shouldn't be I would have thought being that we know that is unique that it gets its regular even if it's I would have thought that maybe it could be when it's as well. So in the world of I hear everything right I got it but why are you being to an it doesn't sound right it makes more sense that we're dealing with an is on the right that's a little more apples to apples AND MAYBE IT MEANS WHY shouldar not be included in the regular is I'll tell you why because we know its relationship with m is different fundamentally different than all the other carbon so maybe based on that you would have thought that if you want to be mak you could be mak as well but the says said it can't be knew it can't bear and the reason is because there's as relates to it says and that we know is talking about in the context over there. So the already said that you're not allowed to be of it can't be that's what that is coming to teach me but the says still how do I know it's coming to teach me maybe it's coming to teach me I don't need it for regular either but what type of that's a carbon now why would you think I'll tell you why I would have thought like also gets when it's because it says in that you have to take all your animals and put them and the 10th one's going to be and don't inspect to see if it's if it's a if it has a so you see that doesn't discriminate between so I would have thought so maybe that's what coming to teach me says I'm read and we know they can't be because it's that permeates all these that connect and once I either. So I don't need it for that either. But says maybe you're right, but not to teach me on maybe to teach me that. Why would you thought that you're allowed to be right? What's the So why would you have thought that you can go ahead and you could be m if it's a balance moment? I'll tell you why. So being that it's so either way you're not allowed to go ahead and do this [laughter] maybe. So how do I know that ano again is maybe it's coming to be that says it says it says in the original animal and the both to the underlying animal how so just like the underlying animal if it's you can't be makuras >> [snorts] >> So when it comes to so again knew that it can't be the it can't be it can't be so he felt by process of elimination it's probably coming to one last Maybe again I would have thought being that also if it has a so maybe it could be when it's about as well. So maybe that's the I would have thought that Vladim is different because Vladim and melee naturally gets this kadusha again indiscriminate of whether uh it was not. So you would have thought that being that the laws of are a little different as it relates to. So therefore if you want to go ahead and be you could as well he said no already gave us a different lema to this says so is coming to teach me you have to bring to the right one of the that discussed the concept of they bring us outside And in this PC, there's a boy for and for the laws of that's not what we need. We need more, right? But the continues and says, and what does mean? that's referring to the and from the fact that we put next to and so essentially we put next to your classic nether. So we make the following so says that was already addressed in so I don't need this of to teach me anything related. I don't need it for the of being that's obvious because there you have the classic I don't need it for or even so what am I going to use it for? I I have to be something. So on the holds if somebody's he was in the fire the is is going to be it's not what And what's really what the Mishna is saying? What the is saying is is that despite the fact that it was but at the end of the day if it's if it's still that's true but who cares it still has and that's enough for there to be an is right now to go ahead and bring it on being that right now you're being mak an animal that has a on which is something that you're not allowed to do the Mishna continued And the Mishna said the Mishna said that to the extent that you have you weren't right stating that the laws of are not going to apply. So if it was you were not if you were it's be no tomorrow but you weren't yet the laws of are not going to be relevant says the what's the reason for this because the says we just mentioned this a minute ago. Now what does it mean to means if the animal is aim means if the animal has a so when the says the first one the of is referring to the hect the of is referring to the so you not let it be if the hectish is a good animal and now you want to replace let me swap it out with a animal that's a m and you also can't do it if the hectish is the bad animal and the one that you're swapping out with is the good animal. And the asks the obvious you can't do this swap. That's literally what is you can't go ahead and and do the when you're replacing it with a better animal where it's again the first one is a hectic is the bad one and now you're replacing it with a good one. So certainly you shouldn't be able to lo because of this theor comes up with a whole like shot in what must mean can't mean good animal with a bad animal because I know that from the next words of so must be teaching me something else means what it's coming to teach me is that the only time there's a lavender of is if the animal was before became meaning there is a mus with an animal that's a balas. How do I know that? From ra means that this animal is a balas and now I'm going to replace it with a good animal. says, "But the only time there's is by a rabbit is if the animal was before it was appra if it was then it's going to be it's going to be." So again the Tyra doesn't have to tell me because once I know I know so what is teaching me is a perish in the rabbit that the only time isn't this where it's what do you mean the animals of so maybe there should be no it's if this was before it was it was but if it was it was so in that situation you're not going to have an this is the to Mishna. [snorts] And then finally the Mishna said Mishna said that to the extent that you have a animal that was and then you were not yet and the animal died. So is if you want to be ped now you could be paid right? How do you know you weren't paid yet? Because we're discussing could you be ped or not? So clearly this is in the prepidian uh state says the the Mishna it's fine in me if it died you pu you would be able to be piped but just appreciate this a little bit better in the second part of the mission which has not been the focus of today's d that's tomorrow's but in the second part of the Mishna where the Mishna talks about where the was if it died the pigion you can't be ped anymore at that point you're going to have no choice you're going to have to bury it so where was where [snorts] then right would be right let's assume that's the for now so where it's so if you want to go ahead and you want to be poed after it dies you'd be able to be poed after it dies in the second part of the mission where you can't be once dies you're going to have to bury it now what's be the issue with being po why can't you be poed if it dies like uh what's the problem now in the racial mission you But it's a kesh because if it wasn't a kesh Mishna wouldn't have said it. So only tell me things that I need to know and in the safish you actually can't be. So what's so the short answer is because there's a so we know a little bit what is just over it's really both this is of Zion pseudlif and pseud says like this if you have a such that you let it be as a carbon now what does it So if somebody has a carbon and the carbon has a so right now you're not let it bring it as a a carbon there's a there's a plan B you could take this animal and you could have it stand in front of the and then the is going to do a he's going to do an assessment he's going to evaluate how much it's worth [snorts] and based on what he says the value is you go and you can redeem it. you go. I know. Let's say the owner of the carbon is going to be the one that's going to redeem it for then we throw in some taxes and penalties and you're going to have to go ahead and you're going to have to add a these are the in the mention the concept of it's called because the Torah says it's called because it says what's the context it's talking about a says you could be there It's a bigish because usually is like if you can't be paid if you want to be paid you could be paid the way your p is by first having it stand in front of the and then the going and assessing making a and figuring out what it's worth having it stand in front of the that's called the and doing the assessment that's called the this is the to the concept of ham just by definition means it's going to stand in front of the ken being that has to stand in front of the kayen you would think that if an animal is dead, well then, pardon the pun, it's dead on arrival. And there's no way to go ahead now and do a you could do a that part you could do, but you can't do the ham. The ham part of the equation is not something that you can do with a with a dead animal. And based on that, it has to be discussed in our Mishna. What happens if the animal dies? You can't do the mother. So, could you be pika be? Let's go back to the Mishna. What are the Mishna saying? of the so there the is that if it dies you could be if it was so then if it dies you just have to bury it why am I burying it let me be not you can't be at first glance what the Mishna is saying is is that if it was there's no of if it then there is going to be a so again in the world of a whole depending on whether here's another one is there or is there no again if you're learning the seems to be what's going on and now that we're going to learn the we're going to see that is very much what's going on so the again focusing on the was now it If you want to be pointed, you can be said in the name of his great holds that the only time there's a when you're dealing with however not when you're dealing with. Now, this is not going to help us all the way because we are dealing with we'll get to that. But said first things first and what's the regard to this as relates to if you had an animal that was and it died you can go ahead you can be and even though we just said holds back it's It's not that in the event that you have that was about that's our way of saying it was that is that even though it's you're going to be able to be what's the reason for it? So you could say maybe in right it's only no this is not because the says the we just read and we learn from there is and what is it coming to that extent then so if you descend the name of who holds that there's no Right. It sounded a little bit like that. No, it's not that where it's after it dies based on the first part of continued. This is Yehuda quoting Raph, but according to the mayo to the extent that it dies, you're gonna have to bury it. Meaning even worse, if it dies, you're going to have to bury it. And it's for that reason according to the even though it was but at the end of the day it's and for sure is going to require who are the on explained who ra was referring to he meant the tana that was quoted in the ofy this is an anonymous tana right the tana is not ley it's the ty the tana that was quoted in What did this say? Allonus are included. There was another price from the yeshiva of that said as follows. Even wife even HAVE NO EVEN THERE'S going to be a den of what did say I don't know it's I hear but the bottom line is the bottom line is says from that said that the time of the mission is that says that is but if it's about because of there's no about that's why that's why is that if you want to be you could be stating that the were and who are the are the t of the lady. So before we learn the last piece of gimmar, we have to just set it up for a second and that is this that says that is that and extended it to even based on the so he's quoted in a if you take a look at the mishn says it's false We don't have to know what that means right now. the end of the if the animals die. That's what it sounds like that as it relates to the if in the event that they die is all you're going to need is uh you're going to be able to do this is the shim holds that extends it not only but even at first glance this seems to be about There seems to be a that they're not referred to as just the but it sounds like there's a in a question begs itself and that is as quoted by his said not only in the safe of the Mishna even in the Mishna even where it was he doesn't why but at the end of the day he holds even in that case so the said seemingly talking he said you want to know who meant when he said he meant the why do he have to mean the why DIDN'T HE MEAN THE pl if you're telling to this so for sure you're coming in that Mishna. So why are we jumping to the of why don't we mean why don't we mean this this Mishna itself right at first glance it would seem to be so obvious that that's what it's uh that's what it's referring to says like this we're going to it's before we go v to see one more piece of gar says like this said according to the meaning is included certain like what the sounded like had the start skipping to this part of the that's the says in the world of the rabbon You ready? Has a whole different understanding in not only does he have a different understanding than Raon but according to are 180 degrees separated from each other. So whereas that is the is just the opposite over there and holds that doesn't according to the ra just the opposite Gor continues as it relates to that according to meaning they're only arguing in the not arguing in so have is what their mean but they have no is what means again they have a is what the raon means According to abundant holding abundant there's no additionally and this is really the punch line you ready that that in the event It's but it's about it's not included in that we said earlier in that even though it's not even have two completely different ways of understanding the but as it relates to as it relates to there's going to be no and everybody is going to agree that there's not going to be a let's get this and what's the with regards to respectively everybody agrees what is that dies IT CAN BE PARTED you can't do you don't have to be you would have to to do of and as a result you can't be you're going to lose it. It is what it is. You have to go ahead and bury him. What do the hold that's according to hold but it sounds like hold if you were learning is in the seventh and that is and are included in the of and therefore if they die you cover you're going to have no choice. Is he going to have to bury says no just like was between did the same thing obe in the reverse order. So whereas according to no according to says everybody agrees according to according to that is everybody agrees there's no in that there is no everybody that if you have and it's a what's and therefore if you would want to be you could be paid. Let's ask the kasha that we asked before we went through this kamar a little bit better said so he said you're saying good say better you want to know who the is it's partially who the is it's the may you Why are you jumping to the tunnel? It should be that the ter you have to learn the learn meaning everybody and everybody it's very if there's no even so uh it's very very simple why it couldn't be the the right it's very simple why couldn't wouldn't be the of the is that you don't need and if that's the case you should be able to be so that the obvious is not so but there's still a kasha that has to be asked what's the kasha and it's going to be the kasha what's the kasha the kash is why did say shim has do shim this has nothing to do with rib shim in fact shim said said there's no is not even talking about should be that everybody's about you're not going to have the [laughter] mother okay I said for the same price it's also why you only mentioning and not but even on a slightly deeper level this has NOTHING TO DO WHY IS A WHEN YOU learn has this throughout. This is not more than it is. It's a carve out in. So what does this have to do with more than that's the is not why is not the is why is it so different and that is the not getting involved in right because who's the why didn't I know why the reason is because based on that says So why he only mention he should have said that this mish is going according to both and histo because we don't know who he is right we called him the now we even have a fourth name but whoever it is should also be the t of our why we only mention so says is because held that is the learned it who holds say we set this up. It's only that and being that he learns that according to the requires and only doesn't require you can't be the mission like the safer it's based on the safer because what did the say the to the extent that it was So then being that it's what it's level of so the is now you cover why because now there's you're going to have to have according to that holds that the only time there's a bias not by so then why are you covering the you should also be able to be in the you should be able to be because it was like everybody's mind in that And the you should be able to be why because it's and according to the so says the reason says and he didn't say there wasn't alteration you're right he would have said that meaning we're holding in the racial part of the so it sounds like a good but you have to have a little bit you have to also know the safe of the mishna and in the safe of the mishna you see already a that can with the iish ra I'll leave you the lockish but the garra says, I don't know if you're 100% right. It's not that that's what's going on in the how do you know where it's the reason is because it requires I mean that's certainly what it sounds like maybe there's a different maybe the reason is because there's a whether you're be where the thing you're gonna end up using it for is you're gonna feed it to the dogs. Could be that's like an inappropriate thing and you can't do that being that the animal died. So maybe if you're going to be ped now, you're going to end up being to feed it to the dogs. That's not something you're allowed to do. So the could be and as it relates to the let it be everybody. [laughter] You can't make it because how you going to learn the seems to say you need no it doesn't. You know what the seems to say? But the says if that's why do we say sounds like because it can't stand it's dead so you can't do our mother it should have said it became a tra is also and if you were trying to bring out the point that then you should have been clear about it because why are you telling it to me in a way where you're going to mislead me into thinking this is [snorts] tell me it's and it's a very good way to Say it. Don't say the fact that we didn't say that must be that's what's going on. But the bottom line is it says you want to know why didn't say it's because he held like maybe if that's the case you could always change what meant right we always talk about editing that's the hardest thing to do. Bryis is a little bit easier. It's the next best thing. But if you want to edit, that's for sure something that you could do. And in this case, and if you go to Well, then obviously it's not a because the cash was. Why didn't it say it does say? Either way, we're going to stop here. I know it'd be very appropriate to speak out raid but I think the dried raid is a new year we should be to get looking forward on the other side to and also renewing So I get benched