Kosher Switch Interview of Talkline

speak to Isaac the expert and speaking of experts we have with us right now Rabbi ortner head of the alic tech USA and also nakan Doan joins representative of isman Technology we invited uh the other company that's making a lot of waves to be on the broadcast tonight as well and we will have invited them and they may appear one week from tonight I'm talking about the new technology that's creating the whole Hol BL gentleman SHO welcome to the broadcast my name is I just wanted to clarify that my company's corporate media and we're here representing um the V technology people right and and my ADD Rob ortner you're also Consulting a lot of groups and obvious also withm technology so is there a change is know from what I understand at one point the whole question of electricity at one point was debated is there a change right now as far as the status of electricity electricity is concerned not not really the the question of electricity is the old question already talking long years ago the question now is about a new way how to turn on or off electricity you talk we're talking about the kosher switch which has gotten a lot of hit hits on Facebook and email people talking about it and they say they have the approbation of leading rabbis in GD and we inv Ed them on the brook as I said earlier and hopefully they'll join us one week but they say that there's a new change at the new technology and new device out there that will allow within the shabas framework with theic framework to use new technology which would mean that you can use electricity on chabas is what they're saying okay so as you just mentioned you know there's a lot going on in the last few days about it everything is basically written already it's it's public and the media and the magazines online I would just like to conclude with one uh statement we just uh I just heard on last Friday basically we attend a meeting at the OU headquarters about uh um totally different topic but we had had a conversation with of University and from the OU so at the end of the conversation we couldn't ignore this very hot topic and we asked for his opinion about it and he he told us yes the guy just came to us and this Wednesday to the Yesa and show me the material and ask for my opinion and I'm just sitting now in front of the Miss bu and I'm trying to look into all places is very suggest me to look into it and I can really not understand how could it be less than a grma now for those that don't know where grum is on shabus you can't light a fire electrically considered lighting a fire grum means you're not doing directly but it's an indirect it's like pushing a button then something else hits something else which will in turn uh put on the lights that's really what a grma would be correct in addition in addition to this I would really want to take the attention from the listeners to a very strong letter published by very respected TR in our communityi and I know that there is a lot going on around is letter I would like to make clear two things number one how this letter get out to the public and number two trying to explain a little bit the approach and his and and about this device first of all the didn't came out uh through emotions I got a phone call on Sunday from David riat and and he asked me to attend a meeting together with him by his uncle we came over to ra on Sunday night abelski waski is not so healthy and not so young and he came in the same day back from Israel and it was all overtaken and he explained to us almost an hour exactly what his and why is holding that using this switch then he says I'm going to write a letter I'm not going to write why way because I need I need to be very careful on every word and make sure everyone understand exactly what's going on and what is my opinion three days after it on Wednesday morning Bas called me up and asked me to come over to the sh toas and take the letter it it took this letter and he write it in front of me every word and then he gave it to me so basically what is saying over there there is to use this switch he says basically that the old issue about grma which called the indirect action is when when the action is happening you know by by a chance is not something that you create exactly to made and it's designed specially to walk like this and this approach put some note about it he says about talking about and I would like to say that there's a big lot of is talking about this issue there's talking talking about talking about it and there's a lot of and today's generation including and taking taking the approach and saying that gr indirect is only considered gr if something would happen by by by accident let's say I'm opening the door and there's a wind coming in okay so the wind is going on by itself and I'm opening a door and by opening the door the wind is coming in but if I'm designing something created especially to work like this it's not going to be it's not going to be considered as a gr a indirect action it's going to be considered as a direct action so anything results to this action will be will be considered as a as a now what I want to do is I want to turn for a moment and we appreciate that he's joining with us on the air again and I'm referring to uh your colleague I know you're doing some work for the various companies that are dealing with this issue and I'm looking to nakel who's the president in charge of marketing Forman Technologies so n welcome to the program thank you for joining with us and I know we're going to get back to the kosher switch and the questions if you know it's if what the what we're saying what you're saying now is that it's using electricity on it's the same as using electricity it's not a grum and we'll talk about a few moments because they have their experts that claim differently but is how does the man technology work is that using electricity on shabas how is that from Co switch there's two things I want to clarify first of all the man switch is a totally different product that does something totally different um and that's one reason I'm here is that people shouldn't confuse the two um the man switch was created with input from not just raon but we're talking about the greatest post game of Our Generation from every Circle and you know they made sure to have everybody on board um when they created it some people wondered why did a product need so much urbanic input urbic inside and their AB not only give their H they actually encourage everybody to use it um people wondered at the time why do you need so much romantic input and this is where it this is really where it shows because the kosher switch people may have had very good intentions you I'm not questing their motivations their intentions may have been good may not I don't know um but they actually raised some very valid points on their promotional video um they talk about the problems of people switching on lights and off lights on and off accidentally on shabas they talk about having to spend meals in the dark they talk about the shortcomings of the shabas CL that we use which are like you know 50 years old wen't created for our needs and our purposes and they talk about the problem of using non-jews to do M for us which is very questionable in many cases and the use of children people using children all these things are these are all raised on the Kosh which is promotional video as the motivations behind their product and it's interesting the man switch really addresses every single one of these issues um you know and just the notion that how could it be that in today's day and age when technology can do everything and Technology can run buildings in Manhattan um everything from lighting to heating to electricity and we can't figure out a way to use technology to harness technology to enhance sh shabas and to avoid all of these problems um and like I said the motivation behind Kosh which may have been very Noble but if you look at looking at the you know what's going on on the web and the comments that people are making or the comments that were made on the crowdfunding sit where the people where they actually raised $50,000 in just three days and the people come and you know what the mo what motivated them to give that money and you see the motivation is I want to have the freedom to flip that switch on chabas that's you know that's something I want to do I'm I feel we strained by shabas I want to have the freedom to flip that switch and that's really where the difference is that's what they're B that's you're what you're basically doing is you're programming that it should go on and off at a certain time so you're not the person is not doing anything on shabas everything is programmed year round so therefore there's no problem if anybody has to do anything it's already done that the first motivation for the nous was that it kills the switch for shabas so there's no accidental on and off um which an accidental on and off if many of the far say that's not even a sh that's worse than a sh because it's negligence and its carelessness um and some many many many folks can believe that that's worse than a shog gig and actually the one who invented it actually turned on a light on yum Kipper and he felt very bad about it and he said you know I used to work for the US Army I was an inventor and I'm going to I'm going to fix this thing that I just did on yamer he told Hashem I'm going to come up with the product that's going to protect people and prevent people from accidentally turning switches on and off that's really where it started from and that's one thing that Z man switch does and then it also avoids the problems childis clocks have with accidents mixups this thing has the Jewish calendar let let me explain the product it's a mini computer that has all the zabas for every city in America or any anywhere in America a program for the next 50 years and the schedule you know shabas and Y first night y second night Y and somebody can just put in his settings once you know my PES finishes 2 in the morning um the second night s we go to Z so we're not home so second night s uh should go off early and then the computer memorizes it and he never has to do anything even Friday afternoon he doesn't have to he doesn't have to put it into shabus mode there's nothing he has he has to do nothing and so there's no accidents no Mix-Ups no accidental on and off um and so the motivation is pure and and we're retaining shabas the way the way it was the way it was intended um and with beautifying shabas and enhancing shabas and taking away the stress from Friday afternoon where people would run around the house putting on Scotch tip and velcro all the switches putting on refrigerat right taping up so let me just turn or before break we're going to take phone calls in just a few moments I'm looking at the coach to switch room we did invite them on hopefully they'll join us next week but they have a list of g r rabis that endorse Haber and Yeshua new worth I'm looking at Rabbi Noah ISAC Al Balman they have Rabbi David chaet and they have uh uh others par Steinberg and going Kim so they have a lot of prominent people that they say endorse them so is this a mlus an argument between different ranam about what constitutes kabas so what's not H shabas as far as using this switch you want to take this yes yeah are you asking a very hard question because there's a lot going going on it's it's really or not so I would like to to attack you know very strong and and say something about it because most of the information is available already for the public no I'm saying because but you're saying well you quote Rob bsky but they have others that say that it is kosher so it seems like a pretty interesting debate discussion as to what's kosher or not because you have some prominent people say yes and some prominent people say no at least the course according to the information that we have in our hands right now no not really that that I'm trying to say that there it's questionable either if the Rabon say that and even even if they say they didn't most of them didn't say to allow this device for popular use most of them most of them are writing in their in the letter if you're going to be able to click on any on any on any letter over there you going to see that most of them allowed to use it only for for certain conditions or purposes we're speaking Rabbi Orton head of hak Tech USA he's also consultant chm technology dman dolman is in charge of marketing for Z man Technologies when we come back we're taking your phone calls 1888 NC radio 1888 NYC radio or 1888 692 7234 you have questions about the kosher switch and how what can you do in what you can do from a technology point of view uh we're exploring that tonight 1888 NYC radio if you're in the dark about using electricity on shabat us opportunity be enlightened you want to email us that's a wonderful way of 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to be right back and let me just remind you about the iPhone screen repair guys Isaac does does a fantastic job fixing iPhones iPads laptops so go to the brand new location opens Monday 1279 49 Street near the b11 bus and Bor Char of marketing for asmon Technologies we're taking your email zevit talkline communications.com zv at talkline communications.com also your phone calls 1888 NYC radio 888 692 7234 good questions will get rewarded with a $25 gift certificate to the ice cream house let's go to some questions right now from our audience and let's go to an email question and Joseph writes why can't the public see all the letters from the gulum so we can see all the explanations and exceptions instead of hearing it second or third hand we need more transparency anybody want to tackle that Rabbi ortner the information is basically available on the public media and online you just have to look into it carefully understand what they're saying exactly but I think people are just confused because as I mentioned you know you said that you know there a lot of Rabbi B and others are opposes to what's going on with the coaches which coaches which will put up in letters and show that they have other leading rabbis that support them so I think the general public is confused as to what's going on that's what this listener is writing right so that's why I'm trying to say that you have to look into this slurs you know saying is don't rely on the translation open the letter A lot of them are from Israeli rabbis a lot of them are just blessings blessing them that they should be successful in their Endeavors and they're just saying that those are approbations and when you open the letter all you see that all it is Bish is wishing them success in their Endeavor which may have been a device that they were creating for a hospital was nter nice few years ago that letter is over 5 years old we don't know what he was talking about in that letter um the the switch is still not and mass produced they only have a prototype at this point and that just hit you know the Prototype just hit the news last week and they're pulling out a letter from five years ago we have no idea what context that letter was written RAB n's letter was clearly taken out of context when he was still alive and then he actually wrote uh know is not here is not with us a few years already as well um three years ago he wrote A A clarification when he found out that they were using his approvation as promoting this as popular product for everybody to use he wrote another letter writing that um he never meant that he meant this is good for hospitals to lessen the severity of what's being done in a case where there has to be shabas anyway R harus from Williamsburg they took his letter out of context and he he went even stronger he ised a letter um not this past Friday the Friday before that when he saw what they were doing he said Not only am I clarifying what I originally stated but I want you to pull back my letter alt together because I can't trust you you're taking what I'm writing out of context I don't have anything to do with this and the same thing with others from Israel um and others R dealt with them firsthand he can tell you more about this rki had to actually send down the OU an attorney that works for the OU because they were using him also originally and that's why he's that's why he's really upset um he has to send an attorney after them other he couldn't get them to take it down for their website so like I said before maybe their initial motives may have been pure but the way they're acting now and the way they're using it now is um it's you know is really it really tells us a lot about the people behind this we'll hope to have them next week in which case they can uh explain some of the issues here's an because we lined them up side by side the letter you know what there's say and then the retraction that's been issued um the clarification and you see that there's some kind of Deceit going on here here's an email question from Brooklyn rosha finstein was against all shabas clocks would he endorse Zaman technology he actually allowed it for liting let me clarify a little bit about this number one actuallya Feinstein is talking about the timers in general but he mentioned clearly that a timer for for the lighting is allowed to use is only talking about about the timers for different appliances in the house it's number one number two the way he differentiated it is let me let me finish number two is not talking about allic issues MO finstein is talking about a different issue which is a very important issue when talking about the issue of Z shabas the shabas spirit and he is saying that if kazal will be today they will they will be prohibited to do like a like you're not allowed to to tell a non-jewish person to do something for you because then you can do everything you want during shamas so with the time you can actually run all all company with that so it's not a comparison to our conversation is because here we're talking about devise who has some serious alic issues by using it nak you were going to say something right I'm just referring again to this man switch why um mosha had a problem in general that he said where's this going to end where's this going to take us to if we're going to start allowing everybody to use um shabas which should be 100% permissible there's no problem with it in shab um if we're going to be allowed to let people use that who knows where this will go next thing you know people will have their factories operating on shabas um and and he's saying if K would have been around they would have had a problem with this and that's what you really need it's not enough to have competent postam for such kind of questions when new technology arises and you're doing you're you're creating new Landmark rulings you have to go all the way to the top you have to go to the leaders of the generation they're the ones who have to weigh in on this because they have the foresight to see where this can lead and what kind of problems this can create so I'm moving away for a moment from the real problems with the Kos which I'm saying you need insight and input from the biggest decises because they have a they have the foret and the vision to see where this can lead to and that's where M was concern um and that's why he said lighting I'm going to allow because in Europe it was common um when they Neo they needed lights to read from the master they would bring in a go in some communities some didn't but some did they would bring in going to go to light lamps for nilo so they can DAV um so he said being that this was already allowed I'm going to allow it shabas for that but I don't want this this this is a slippery slope and I want to stop this before it gets out of hand so that's the Z shabas issue which is very very serious and that shows us that's where you need the guidance of of you know because based on that you can put on shabas clock for your TV right can go anywhere so um so there's two issues here there's the issue of the issue of H itself which rski is saying is extremely extremely serious and then we have this another letter is by kamki or Feinstein Miller um you know also writing similarly that there's a serious H shabas issue and then there a z shabas issue which there were others who deferred from r m Einstein but again they were these were the tap these were the generations leaders um and they all felt that this needs you need consensus on this you need consensus from the generations leaders when you want to innovate something like that you want to tell I can flip a switch on shabas that's something big that's something that has to go all the way to the path and it's not just enough to go to a Pulpit Rabbi um from your community and and and you know and just put up his thing online and say look we have six rabbis like at that six rabbis they all have they're all allowed to Pas um you know you need more than that for something like this and and that's why the man swi really went through all those lengths to get everybody on board everybody across the board every Community you know it's interesting I was talking to a prent member of the Westside Jewish Community lesi West R today and he said listen let's say you can find everybody would agree that the technolog is there where you can put on a switch on shot electricity would be fine and oer I believe initially thought that electricity was okay but he was overruled by many of the other GD the leading rabbis but let's say it's okay but then the whole shabas would change and if you can put on a a TV you can put on different appliances you can do things that will take away from the spirit of shabas if that were to change and was that's why gives us leaders it gives every generation leaders and we were promised you know that there will always be leaders of the generation that will lead us and tell us you know where where we're heading down a slippery slope and where we're not before we break I want to ask R Orton this question though there there has been some change in electricity let's look at LED lights is that okay to use on chabas what's the status because that's a little different doesn't admit heit it's not electricity the same way that we know it so I've seen different things i' like to get your opinion about that the conversation about the the LED lights is going around for the last uh I would say the last five six years since L is getting more popular and and in the use there's there's two opinion of what everyone know that there's two major opinion about using electricity in general there is the Kish saying that it's it's cing and there's their the general opinion that it's the issue of Mo that you're not allowed to create something new on Shas the major difference is that according to it's a bial issue and according to the to the to the other po it's ainal issue here in led the question is getting bigger whether anything you create on shabas is a problem so you you can take every every new thing that's that's happening on shabas is a problem of Moet so here on the LED it's not a really issue of electricity the LED it's like nmp going together which is a it's creating a a reaction which create lighting this is something new so the question is if we if we allowed to to compare this to electricity or not basically I would say even if there there's a few there a few opinion about it but most of the PO are still saying that it's is of so it you're not allowed to use it a major difference is according to the issue of M we're not we're not even allowed to to move a a a bulp on shabas because the because the the bulp is is calling which is called like like a fire so there's a issue M also and led the prum saying that it's not a fire so you're allowed to move it on shabas but to turn on LED light on shabas is a little bit more complicated according to the AL Rabbi ordner is head of alaka Tech USA and nak dolman is charg of marketing for his M Technologies which has a product that makes it easier for people to have lights turned on and off by pre-programming it before shabas is programed for 50 years when we come back our final stretch we only have a few moments left when we come back uh we'll take some more of your emails Zev talkline communications.com Zev talkline communications.com or 1888 NYC radio and I remind you about the screen repair guys the iPhone screen repair guys are now open starting Monday in Bor park 12794 62300 that's 718- 436 2300 and you'll proudly Smile as well our final stretch only a few moments left with Rabbi T Orton head of hak Tech USA nakan dolman is the more charg of marketing foron technology we're taking some more of your email questions Zev atalk talkline communications.com Zev talkline communications.com here's a you can Facebook question here's a Facebook question for you gentlemen 50 years ago we had authorities saying that timers were problematic in terms of use on shabas we see them being widely accepted today do you think that the shabas switch will become more widely accepted let's say in the use in facilities such as hospitals for instance we have smartphone shabas app already that works on similar technology we have hospitals using buttons to push for nurses they'll randomly do within 30 seconds immediately after being pressed I don't think so I think um I think their Mosa's Landmark ruling was followed to some degree you see that is there we do have some sort of control in cooking in popular use in homes where the sh never went further never went past the lights the air conditioners it's different because you know the thermostats turn them on and off anyway so air conditions go on and off anyway all the time bation but they never really went past that and and um the use of these devices in hospitals is very different because those are cases where they have to be used anyway or or the G can make it into theiron and did not make their X even if it's not a serious illness even you know just a slight illness even Theon did not make ex so once it's a grma um it becomes the raon and then they have to follow the ruling of their own raon were strongly against it for it um but that's beyond the point of this discussion now we're talking about popular use for people to use as As a matter of convenience and where this can lead to and and you know it's pretty much across the board the isum against it are pretty much across the board from every Circle every you know every Community now we have a few moment I do want you not tell us about the zman technology his name is n I just want to you nak if people want to get information about Theon technology you're using technology where it's it's pre it's Pro pre-programmed how can people do so because they can look it up on the web it's man technologies.com um there's a beautiful site there and all the orm the endorsements and um the the who actively promoted and say that this is something people should bu Miller from Toronto actually wrote a very strong letter that he believes this is something every everybody should have in their home to avoid accidental use of lighting on Shas um he actually pushes it um other abam as well U there b were very very excited when we were producing this and they were very much promoting it I think the Z man switch is important because a lot of the sent that people have is one them have a problem with technology they have a problem with new things they don't like new things they're afraid of Technology they don't understand it and the Z man switch proves thaton do understand technology very very well and have a clear grasp I mean it was unbelievable when we would sit with would throw things at us are very very well well well versed in technology and they have a clear understanding and they're very open and they're very they Embrace technology when it enhances shabas And when they see that it can be harnessed for good purposes and then when they smell something wrong with a product they smell an urge to be able to flip switches they have a problem with that it makes shaba seem like a burden where reeli and and the others wrote about this um they s something wrong with this Del I thank you for being with us in charge of marketing with M technology we look forward to having you back head of hak Tech USA thank you for being part of our broadcast we only scratch to the surface and hopefully we'll have you back in and take more questions about some of these important issues dealing with electricity and chabas thank you for being part of the show tonight thank you Z thank you thank you very much good luck gentlemen good V and uh just REM you about the iPhone screen repair guys at 12 7949 Street near b11 bus opens Monday this coming Monday call them 718-677-6653 a.m. and don't forget to become a fan of a talk line on Facebook on uh on 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