Kiddush on Shabbat - Part 3 - Rabbi Reuven Lauffer

[Music] okay so yeah actually yesterday we started talking about we got sidetracked strangely enough but we started talking about the minimum the minimum amount of wine that you need to drink in order to fulfill the obligation for kiddush till we spoke about camel oi look ma writing remember that was that's a cheap fools worth of liquid however the the accepted illogic norm is to drink a reverse ravie it a revered is between three point three and five fluid ounces depending on which opinion you follow of three different opinions mainstream opinions one is the opinion of crime know who is the that's the smallest amount and then there's the opinion of the reb moshe fine sheen and then the opinion of the car donation the opinion of con which is normally the most the most so it's anything between three point three and five fluid ounces and that is normally the norm right that's normally the minimum amount that's required to drink okay let's have a look at let's have a look at making kiddush over something other than wine we spoke about this shabbos morning in many communities you'll find people making kiddush over all kinds of things well be actually we're going to CD response this is a problem with vodka you know hard hard liquor you know vodka whiskey all those kinds of things where it's not so simple to drink the required amount so we're going to see it's a little bit of a problem in theory what you need is you need a cup which can hold at least a reviews of liquid now what's a Revere's like we said anything between three point three and five fluid ounces now that's a that's you know when you're when you're talking about whiskey that's a lot i I'm not safe for my vision I didn't ask anyone I just said that it's a lot that's all okay let's have a look and see what we've got so are you are you supposed to be making kiddush on showers morning of whiskey or vodka so first of all you know like a penis was making kiddie show or wine right secondly it supposed to be in a cup which can hold at least three point three if not five fluid ounces now like I said before before we were so rudely interrupted that's a lot for whiskey right that's a statement of facts a definitive statement that's it that's a lot so whatever okay so the thing is like this if you belong to a community where everybody makes kiddush over whiskey or vodka then it's ok to carry on doing it but if that's not your if that's not your custom then you really shouldn't do it what if you don't want if you don't have wine so you need to use something called karma ha Medina what is come on Medina so it's a little bit difficult to define some are camara ha Medina is the liquid the drink of the country that you live in now let's go back a little bit right before the advent of pop and let's just go back to you know it's go back like a hundred years or something so Hammer hammer dinner would be something like very often it was beer right sometimes it could be considered to be milk yeah I don't have you ever seen sometimes when I was a kid growing up sometimes have jolla was made over milk it's going to be a camera and medinah in England but beer beer definitely was a year was an option the problem is exist now now that we at you know something but there is there is an opinion that it might it's possible that perhaps orange juice fresh orange juice is a a year in israel any way up until not very long ago when i when i first came to Israel you know 30 something years ago so orange is fresh orange juice was like a pretty standard drink you know first we had on every every street corner there were people who are squeezing oranges and you could just buy it but it was everywhere right so come out again today Hammer hammer dinner is something which is very difficult to define right what would it what is a national beverage today I'm not sure it's coca-cola in America is coca-cola or national beverage well I think you know I think that it is but politically it's going to be a problem to use coca-cola so I know I don't really know I'm seriously huh because again how mama dinner is something was supposed to be established I I don't know right is coca-cola the established drink of the United States this is oh so here right so maybe maybe the idea of using whiskey or using vodka maybe that really is a you know I've got something which is basis because you know I heard from the rabbi's down in monsey that like what say you don't have wine or what sits at all which holiday is it were you're not supposed to really drink wine don't use like you know if you have vodka if you have a liquor and a beer don't use the liquor before the beer because as like a bigger not that it's like more I don't know how to explain why looking yeah it has a bigger like I guess some more a higher authority than over beer bottle I don't I've never heard anything like that before right that's really I tell you more than that it's kind of it's kind of bizarre because in the Talmud they had a drink which was beer like it was some kind of fermented you know fermented grain of some kind and it was drunk like beer and they had wine but there's very little talk inside of the Talmud of you know of other alcoholic substances which probably i'm sure they probably did exist in those days but no call my aunt wanted today so I think I I think like this I I think like this I I think again if you want to make kiddush on Chavez morning the best thing to use his wine or grape juice like we spoke about my grape juice is also good if you don't have whining you don't have grape juice then you know what can you use so if like I said if your custom is that in your community is to use whiskey or vodka then go ahead make waking shovel whiskey or vodka and if not then you need to sort of look around a little bit for what's called this hammer hammer Dina right which is the national drink of the of whatever whatever country it is that you come from so again I come from England and I imagine that beer beer is definitely a national drink over there over tea I've you know and cashin maybe maybe tea maybe tickle something uses the national would be beer island is probably yes I don't know Guinness Guinness oh well you know that a violent los scotland ireland yeah I drank Guinness once in my life that was more than enough to horrible the when you were doing this for more of a medida will be same shampoo you would make shock oh right so if you're making a you know if you making it over whiskey or making it over vodka making love our issues whatever it is right you would make sure iconia be the law you wouldn't make boy pure gift and because you're not you're not drinking wine I heard a fascinating idea once from from Reb Mendel Weinbach safe italic we live rock alert the late rochev overhearing on some hacks who said like this he says every country's got its own national drink I feel like I said where I come from it's beer you know you go up north in England and you get to Scotland it's whiskey you go across a channel you're going to France its wine we move up into that into the northern countries and you end up with things like vodka and and schnapps and and all kinds of you know kinds of like slivovitz and but the National the National drink'll America is coca-cola they said it's interesting right because why is that he says because alcohol you know you can get a real kick out of our goal right but the first taste of alcohol is pretty nasty your palate has to get itself you know it has to get accustomed to what it is that it's drinking but when you take sugar and co2 you mix it together that's like an explosive kick that's incredibly enjoyable all in one go straight away you don't you don't have to custom yourselves what you're drinking so he said it's kind of it's kind of like America's like you know the eat whatever it is you got to have it you got to have it now I didn't mean it immediate some kind of immediate gratification so you know that's why I coca-cola is it the national drink of America because alcohol it's true alcohol can be great but until you get yourself used to it it takes a little bit of a while without water what is national drink of all countries water water is a national drink I don't know if it's a national drink what water is a staple right which means without water we don't up we're not going to live it's very interesting i love you should know about drinking water out of out of every other drink right water in order to drink water you after in order to make a broker of a water you have to be thirsty really yeah nice but do you keep what are you saying really no I just made it up ah don't worry quite a few Thursday's are so listen listen right what what's up shop if you let's say you're not thirsty right you just wanna have a drink but you're not you're not thirsty particularly or somebody gives you a drink baby you want to keep over here so hot no because you do you very good here okay you gotta keep drinking cuz you're gonna stay hydrated right or you've gotta take a pill yeah you're not drinking because you're thirsty you're just drinking because you have to take the pillow because you got to stay hydrated if that's the case then you don't make a broth over the water which is not true if you were drinking juice or coke right even if you're only drinking the coke in order to swallow the pill you make a buffer over the code because that's a drink water rabbi one time told me that if he's studying and he's reciting it he's like I just drink the water without without just too he's not thirsty I guess so right okay I guess so which means that he's only he's only drinking it but whatever the reason right himself hydrated himself awake maybe go bro right so you know you're not making oh you often no if you're taking a pill on your drink you're washing it down with water and the only reason you're drinking the water is because you want to take the pill what about making the broth on the pill now you don't make a brother pills are food really I mean obviously this is difficult for college students to comprehend because they live off of amphetamines and all kinds of you know all kinds of pills but when I sir pills are not food I don't know how to break this together with one shot this is from the other side of the counter right okay the what's the source of that what's a source of wad show connacher again it's a lot of soccer which means it's a basic halacha it's a very fascinating in a minute like spend your robe hook has most incredible explanation over here but you understand the logic makes perfect sense right where every other drink that you're drinking even if you're not thirsty obviously you're going to get a kick out of drinking it right so you have you have you have you juice you have your code whatever it is so fine you like a brother / you're getting enjoyment from it but water is it you know the truth is that nothing tastes better than water when you are thirsty what water is like you know they call it over here there's a certain mineral water that they call it the champagne of nature right it really is nothing tastes better than water when you're thirsty but when you're not thirsty water doesn't taste anything so you have to have that first in order them out in order to be out like a bra for it because water has got nothing in it to give you additional pleasure every other thing that you drink has got something in it right it's got the taste it's got whatever it is whatever you're drinking whether it's a the fructose or the sugar or that what everything right says you're a hook than the most incredible idea listen to this listen carefully to what he says it says that you've got to be thirsty in order to drink water and the sages say that water and tara analogous to each other so the same way that you can't live with it water and torah are analogous to each other which means the same way that you can't live without water in the physical world so till you can't live without Tyra so says rehana and what are the what are the so what are the rabbi's teachers then order to make a broth over water what have you got to have you got out of thirst to drink it so he says that in order to learn tile we need to have a thirst to learn Torah it's a fantastic ideas mamash beautiful person's got to be thirsty to learn Torah when you're thirsty silent era then the toe will quench your thirst but if you're not thirsty then it won't get won't give you anything but it's just just liquid that's all it is so we can't make kiddush over water it's not considered to be important enough with regards to kiddush right it's not considered to be important enough for the liquid to be able to make a kiddush over it so we use other things instead right so far so good good okay again like I said I think the best thing to do is to is that is use the wine or to use grape juice that way you fulfill all the obligations don't worry do you want to have your whiskey in your vodka afterwards there's no problem whatsoever I make sure you don't have to make a bit just because you drink the water not because I needed thirsty only because yeah the problem the problem is that it's very it's very subjective right it's very difficult to define what at what point the what point you thirst you know what point are you not thirsty right eulogy I know I'm not so here let's say the doctor tells you that you've got a drink three liters of water a day in the summer in order to make sure that you don't dehydrate so at that point i would say like this the embassies i would say like this that the first slurp of water that you take you probably are thirsty right and it tastes good and you should make a broker over that and then just keep sipping all the way through the day and then you don't have to worry about it if you're sipping at least once every half an hour even it's a new ones can't do with the bottle is to do with the continuity of what you're doing right passes with 72 minutes if they buy water is only half an hour right if passed our if half an hour passes and you're thirsty again so you can make a broker over the water again right but if you're just if you're not thirsty and you're just drinking it because you got to keep drinking it right then you should just carry on drinking without my they put in different shoe oh so you can only make a brain of a short within the half an hour yeah so aging everything I'm gonna drink more you forget about it oh so here's here's what you're doing is manator right you said you set your watch right and I let it be but when it beats you know that you've got to take it which was like if you you start off in the morning you make charcoal of your water right and if you're drinking all the way through the day less than every half an hour then you don't have to worry about an after proper tool until you finish drinking right so you can have this rather odd scenario where at ten o'clock in the morning you made a shackle and you're drinking all the way through until ten o'clock at night and check mark on that you can make a bona fide show is over all all the water all the liquids that you drank I'll just water all the liquids that you drank from the beginning of the dental the end of the day but the problem is you've got to be on the ball right so if you're following the time that's great and if not it means that you've skipped out right if you get to the 31st minute and you suddenly remember so you've lost the opportunity now to make a brain of a shot over what you've already drunk but you can make a magic you can you can carry on drinking and so long as you drink a cheeks worth full of liquid in one go within the rest of the time that you're drinking so then you can make a brief a shot over what you're drinking is what I mean that if you take a little bit of water you look bill yeah you know know what is excited rewarded doesn't matter if you're taking the water only because you need to swallow the pill then you don't make a bracha rola roof but if you use tea or coffee or anything else and you're only using it in order to swallow the pill it doesn't matter then you have to make a bracha this thing only works for water not for anything else right like that because i'll say ain mayela Torah there is no water except for toe which is water and Torah water gives us life torrid gives us life we need to approach our learning Torah with an enthusiasm with a passion with the first the first to know right so for example not to sit with arms folded and eyes glazed and dribble coming out the side of your mouth that's not the way to do it the only has one of them so easily clear so I knew is that so far so good right time and I think that when it comes to making kitty should make kiddush of wine or grape juice and then afterwards like I said don't worry you can still have your shot oh sure I prefer doing over one but there was a lot of times in monsey we just you know we would do kido chef to shoppers and like we get each one Thank You the kiddush club uh what what do you do right kiddush so you may have noticed in many places when you go for kiddush to somewhere somebody make skittish and maybe you get some of the wine maybe you don't get some of the wine it doesn't matter especially in the morning shabbat morning right very often weather may kiddush you know especially he's making kiddush of whiskey he's not sharing this with anybody he just knocks it back in one go where she's sharing it with people leaders who want to go I see what he said not like not the little cup of his own his own little individual cup so whatever it's okay somebody else can drink the wine for you you don't have to we spoke about this the other day you don't have to drink the wine in order to fulfill your obligation to hear kiddush right so so long as you hear the cadichon you want so i made to the bratha then that's enough if you get to drink the wine so fine you'll see some people are careful to make sure they drink from the wine and some people are not yeah the daily kiddush so you hear guys yet yeah we go it's on this kid when you get home your wife hasn't heard yeah do you make depends what kind of state you're in do you so you can make kiddush feel wife you can make it is to you against you you you've been too kiddish and you you fulfilled your obligation wherever you were somebody make it a few over there or you may kill yourself and then you go home and you've got a wife and children and guests and you can make kiddush for all of them again even though you've got no obligation whatsoever but you're fulfilling their obligation now you love to surgery from looking for sure he can drink to the kiddush of you wants to but he doesn't have to so long as so long as somebody there is going to drink the majority of the cup of the wine that the kiddush was made over then that's okay what if he drew it that's fine again he can he can fulfill the obligation like that as well so he already fulfilled our obligation but now he's doing even bigger Midson from giving mom very good right he's he's fulfilled his obligation and now he's fulfilling in a certain way so filling it in it in a bigger way by helping other people fulfill their obligation even though he doesn't have to do it was great so we spoke we spoke about this the other week if my memory serves me correct if my memory serves me correct we spoke about this the other what the other week but the idea that the Gomorrah says that God will our own air right that the person who answers amen has more reward than the person who made to break out to begin with anybody yeah which which is counterintuitive right you would imagine that the little unknown at the end is simply you know you just like finishing up it's nice to hear the young men but the person who's making the broth of a show is getting more rewards than you are because give me he made the bras already made this big name of God and so explain to go it's a most incredible idea really is that the person who wants is our main gets more reward than the person who made the prophet of again with why because the person who made the brother begin with is getting something out of it right which means that you make a broker over a piece of cake and you eat that piece of cake the person wants to run name he's not going to get any cake out of you he knows you right the chances of you sharing that cake with him a zero right he knows that you know the person makes a broker over a can of coke right so he makes a shower call he's going to drink that can of coke the person making the brother is getting something out of it which means I'm not don't misunderstand me i'm not suggesting that I'm not belittling the making of the brother it's a tremendous thing to make a bracha but the person who answers our name is doing it completely altruistically he's not getting anything out of this at all what's he doing he's just recognizing a show right signing off at the end of the bracha right and that's why the Gomorrah says that if you do that you get more rewards than the poster made the bracha to begin with so over here you're right right you got somebody who's going off now and he's making kiddush for other people he doesn't have to make kitty she's already fulfilled his obligation he's doing this only for other people right so he's for that you know for sure he's getting he's getting lots of reward over here for doing something to help other people fulfill their obligation you hear a voice I you out there anyone there yes oh no no one hundred percent not one hundred percent other all kinds of Broca's that we can make we can make them for other people right and you can fulfill their obligation by saying the brothel for them you're doing very fertile Mazzone you could seasoned academies on if there's a need right you can said out loud and the person who's listening has to listen to every word and answer our name and then you you've now fulfilled his obligation we spoke about it what we spoke about the laws of the shamani say that the repetition of the Amidah the person is repeating the emitter is repeating it for those that can't say by themselves and if that's the case then that person who's listening to every word of the repetition of the Amidah is fulfilling his obligation through the shell yotsuba through through the kazan who's reciting all the words for him right it's a very it's a very beautiful idea I one sort of a rug there's a very very famous rabbi baruch arab-jewish teen who is a tremendous Halak equal authority so somebody wants asked him what do you do you've got somebody who come to your house is not religious and they want to and they want the drink that's a problem because you know you're going to give a drink and he's going to drink without making a blessing and so maybe maybe you know it's like putting a stumbling block in front of somebody right you gave him somebody to eat eat or drink and he's not gonna like a blessing over it so he says what he always does is that when the person asked for a drink he gets that two cups and He pours himself a drink as well and he says him I'm going to make a blessing for most both of us and you should answer on me you can do that yeah right again in all it all of these brackets which are you can fulfill somebody else's obligation by doing it for them person can't do it by themselves and you like the app also even though even over here the first himself doesn't want to do it or doesn't know how to do it so you can make the blessing for him but when it's when you talk about making brokers over here for example right where you too i'm making Bracco's like you want you're gonna drink something together with him so you have to drink with him you shouldn't make the broker and then he'd be the one to drink but you should drink as well right not like not like kiddush when kiddush right includes we said that if the person's to filling other people's obligations he's already fulfilled his obligation he does not to drink from the wine okay when you make kiddush right you make kiddush on Shabbat and onion turf regardless of whether it's at night or during the day you make kiddush and then ninety nine percent of the people wash their hands and they come o tea afterwards right some people wash their hands first and then they make kiddush and then they make a mighty without making a break between the whole thing but what's for sure is kiddush the brother over the wine always proceed to Bravo over the bread right so what do we do with an after brother are you are you obligated in making after brother over the wine that you drank a kiddush or not because officially it's not really part of the meal because the meals only going again once you make a mighty but because kiddush is connected to a mighty tour one long you know it's one long thing that means that when you come to wash your hands and you eat the meal and you bench at the end of it it's going to fulfill the obligation of making the after bra for over the wine now it's a little bit of a novel idea of it because normally what would happen if you drank something you drank wine before you washed your hands so now you're obligated it making it after brother and you should really make the after broker and then you should go and wash your hands and you can have your meal right but over here the Yankees the Yak is do it but I eat however way you do it the bracha over the wine always comes before the broker over the bread right so over here we got a little kid I shall we a little like a little novel idea over here which is what when you come to bench when you recite big cut amazon it's going to include the wine that you drank when you made kiddush however what you may have noticed is that some people have the custom when they come to bench that they bench over a cup of wine right now very often you'll see that when there's a minyan that's very much the norm right 10 cuz you're a whole bunch of people over there right there are different opinions inside of the locker according to some opinions if you've got only if there are only three men that are sitting together what's called a Zemon then you also bench over a cup of wine there's one opinion the artificial who says that even a person by himself should save your cat amazon over a cup of wine the cup of wine over there is definitely cost show brother right which you spoke about yesterday but there's an interesting dimension after you finish benching you recite bokutachi monokini melech ha-olam boray pree are golfing and you drink the wine and after you've drunk the wine what do you do you make it after blessing right even though you just recited beer can't amazon but you made a brother over the wine and that wine was not included inside of the meal at all so then you are now you're obligated in making and after brother say the authorities that if you're going to make a bracha over the cup of wine then you should keep in mind when you make the after brother keep in mind that if there was an obligation to recite an after bratha after the wine of kiddush that that's how you're going to fulfill your obligation you here I just made it up stop asking keeps asking that question I don't know I don't know what it is I just made it up but it sounds good my father always used to say that the more the more conviction of person has the less sure he is what if you make a wrong depends what you've made it by mistake you made charcoal so you're off the hook because charcoal is it just like a generic blessing so even though you're supposed to die tell you you too i don't know you you either get a a vegetable of some kind of you were sure that it was here you know what you had you had you had to cut see live the Tom covered baby which is a eggplant that tastes like liver you think you're eating chopped liver so you make sure how to deliver yeah and they have liver the taste like eggplant as well it's a fascinating thing anyway and but you've got you've got a food you made the run blocker but if you made the shower call over it even though you should have made the shackle nevertheless you fulfilled your obligation because shackle is really a broker which fits everything I call me every driver I coach Bob who created a resident and everything you like a vegetable it's because all you're saying is that God created everything right if we spoke that way we spot where this yesterday no yeah sure yeah so won't you come here select on a day that's ridiculous and make it anywhere I'm gonna tell it over again without don't think any more lies anyway if you make if you've got in front of you something and you're not sure whether it's hard ammo or eight you you're not sure so you should make our dama y because the tree grows out of the ground as well right if you make at eight instead of our dama that's a wrong broker and say you took her didn't you shoot yesterday know if you make if you take a cucumber and you make her 80 over a cucumber that's the wrong broker if you may have Dumber over an apple then that's that's like indirectly that's the correct profit so did what do you do do you see the quick run so then you got it you got yeah you've got to you say first we take both shank for Michaels later on web because you made the wrong brother and if it that's only that's only if you realize straight away yeah if you don't realize so when you take a couple of bikes and you said you guys hold on a second what did I just do that was that was wrong so then you have to make a bracha of what it is that you're eating so let's say for example you dizzily it's like word association what's you know like he said music hey good right to make them you make a amazon on over bamber right so you made the right it's a wrong bracha to make so then you stop take another one and make a shark all over the world if you realize with you within enough time that you know that it's a very short amount of time it's amount of time that you're supposed to say Shalom Aleichem Rebbe the movie which is like you know what we talked about five seconds maybe it's got to be an immediate reaction so here he made this an odd because he thought that that's what he was supposed to make and only articles you realize that that's not the right brother to megs at that point you can't save all shame anymore kiddush that's recited on friday night and recited on Chavez morning should be recited in the place that you're going to eat that's where the kiddush club comes in actually right because what was the chat on Friday night we sit down read a meal right so it's not a big deal everybody make skittish and they sit down and they wash and they sit down and have the meal in the same place so they just make kiddush but if you want to make kiddush on Chavez morning in shul for example because you're going to be eating later on and you don't want to you know Selena risk the risk the the possibility of dying of starvation you know between ten-thirty and one o'clock or something that's fine it's fine it's fine really it's high you know yeah Jews especially the so that's why you've got to make sure that there's going to be food in the place that you're making it's not enough just to make kiddush right over the cup of wine and then that's it I've done it now I can go and have my cup of coffee but you need to make a minimum of Amazon not as well and that's why you'll find there's always crackers in a kiddush knows we're going to be taking a kiddush and that's there in order to make sure that you can that you can make them as or not and that's called kiddush but my calm sital doubt that you make kiddush in the place that you have your suitor now if you're going home and you're going to eat your meal at home anyways that's again it's no big deal right but you do need to keep that in mind if you're making kiddush you're making kiddush before you're going to get to wherever you're going to have your meal you do have to make sure that you're going to eat some kind of miss or not as well so you can do ki do shots shul and go home and eat you can so long as you eat something in sure so long as your weakness or not right but if I don't know if there's numbers are not there for whatever the reason are you quite as you conning this or not then it's going to be a problem right then you shouldn't make kiddush and sure there are again for people like silly acts right so now they have brought Baja July when I was a kid growing up you know having celiac was a terribly complicated thing because there was no there was no food available except for pace up at all these people used to stock up cuz I'm pesach no wheat flour is nice right so people used to stock up on you know by as much as they could of things that we're going to last for as long as possible and they would use that but today it's it's pretty easy to get a hold of these things and they've got they actually have breads that are made out of certain as one flower which is gluten free which is ok to use even though for many silly acts it's a little bit heavy right because they're not used to eating things over there at least they can fulfil the obligation of making her moiety on Shabbat and a hunter but in the olden days it was it was a writ was an issue really was right for some people they make you know somebody had a bad case of celiac they would they would definitely be they would they would have no obligation to be able to make a moiety they can't make it it's exactly it's unhealthy for them we're calling back you fools is ah the Colleen Becky Bowie yeah for sure I'm to be saying the same person who tells you too fast on Yom Kippur it's the same person who tells you not to fast when you're second young people which means the same way that it's a midst of the fast for some people it's a bit today it's all over here it's a mitzvah for everybody like a mission on Shabbat right but a person who's not able to eat like a Mishnah then for him the same whether it's a mitzvah for you to eat like a mission of a madam it so not too late okay that's you know that the Indian of sickness right being sick of being careful with what you eat and all of these things they're all it's all built into you know into into into the hollow for its all there I just got to know how to identify it and use it properly but in all events it's very it's very very important that when you make kiddush that you eat something it's also rather important that you eat something almost straight away which means when the person is made kiddush so that your insurer right back in your kiddush Club which is where you seem to spend an awful lot of time when somebody makes kill each over there in the you know you go you go to the kiddush after after darling right you going to the hole somebody make skittish over there you should endeavor to eat amazonas it or not as quickly as possible don't don't wait if there's too much of a gap that it means that the kiddush is no longer kind of insight is no longer applicable to you and you have to make kiddush again hi Google is fine depending on what google it is if you eat you shall me cago which is this bizarre concoction that ain't over here made out of noodles and pepper and caramel which is that's all they had so yeah yeah but caramel and pepper together yeah yeah that is interesting yes that's one way of describing it for sure with a with a pickle doesn't forget the pic all right hold on a second hold on a second right if you if you're going to eat us something like a lockshin Google then for sure there's no problem you make amazona sovereign right this or not if you are going to eat potato kugel so most potato cookies Adam are if that's the case then you're not you've got to eat miss or not as well and you is not first which means we find some crackers and eat those or find a piece of cake and eat that and then you can take whatever else you want so my where my son did will told me that when his grandfather learnt in yeshiva going back you know we're 60 years ago in bnei brak and slabodka so he said the difference between slabodka and paunovic was a ton Chavez and Shabazz when they gave them can filter fish to eat in pond of each they made moszer not over it because it had so much mud sand meal mixed into it because they couldn't afford matzo meal cost less than the fish and slabodka they made shark all over it because it was a hat it was financially better off than paunovic and it was made mostly with fish without too much added in right it is conceivable that a kugel even a potato kugel if it's got enough flour inside of it it is conceivable that it would be musze or not the problem isn't no one's going to admit to having added in so much flour to their kugel because obviously that means that you've been skimping lady cutting cutting cutting around at your alma mater imagine potatoes probably cost less than flowers as I think whatever anyway okay so we finished it Baruchel somehow rather we managed to finish the in the helices of jewish and we will tomorrow i think we're going to start that offers of rosh hashanah and and everything else that you people ask about on the way right [Music] you