Kiddush on Shabbat - Part 2 - Rabbi Reuven Lauffer

[Music] we talked about covering the colors right okay just one other thing I don't I can't never if we if we mentioned that I really don't remember but if you've got other things on the table as well as colored so for example you know sometimes there might be crackers on the table there might be rolls on the table whatever it is so they should all everything should be covered up right before before kiddush is recited okay by every day you'll be like this salad not all food but just ready kinds of things yes so any I guess any kind of ms or not so so either bread or crackers again it's really do with this idea we spoke about last week about the wheat right that you know we tweet normally takes things made out of week normally take precedence over wine but because we've got over here we've got the kiddush is going to be made before we're going to make our meeting so we just we just cover everything up the truth of the matter is like this if you don't cover up your crackers some of you don't seem to be very successfully covering up the fact that your crackers but if you don't if you don't cover up your crackers it's what you know what they say the same Chinese is nishka for Ella crying it's not the end of the world but covering the house is definitely an important thing to do once you've made kiddush right so you should drink from the wine straightaway right sometimes people make the mistake of you know you've got a whole bunch of people in front of you so they make kiddush and they may go finish up the kids and they start pouring out little bits of wine for everybody before they drink for themselves if you want to make sure you know some people aren't like drinking from drinks that other people have drunk from so the person making kiddush should pour out a little bit of the wine from his kiddush cup into a separate cup then drink from his kitchen cart will talk about how much in a minute but then drink from his kiddush cup and then he can fill up that little bit of wine that's in the other cup you can fill it up with wine from the bottle and he can start handing it out to all the people around right that's the best way to do it but not to make a big appt between having made kiddush and drinking the wine itself now what if you're a guest at someone's and you know they start boarding the wine they gave it to you first before he gave it to his wife by after your supposed to wait until the wife and the kids drink first all right well not so you could drink what you've done that whom I didn't have actually no embarrassing it's not like he did it but I mean it was he kind of gave it to the wife the wife pass it over to me but she was she didn't drink yet like I was waiting I waited for all of them to drink before I had my my share you are truly pious he's been white usually he's been waiting weeks to be able to tell this story now this happened to Charlotte so so he will be waiting weeks tell her story again but and the a message like this should you fit first of all it's an interesting question are you are you later pulse on the wine somebody gives you wine right wine is coming from the kiddush from them from the broth of the kid is right are you allowed to pass it on to somebody else down know if they keep passing them to you then you'll just keep be take a deeper look the coat now I understand I understand what you say I'm saying like this right so the post was made kiddy she's drunk from the wine and now he's passing it around the question over here is are you allowed to take the wine which is a wine of cut you came from the kosher meat it's a bitter over here are you allowed to pass it on to somebody else before you've done this before you've drunk tonight or should you just take the wine and drink it yourself and then the next cup of wine pass it on to the next person alone so it's interesting is that there's a there's a holic thing over here but if the person if the person's make kiddush is drunk from the wine right then they brought the the mitzva over the kiddush has been fulfilled and then you can pass on the wine to wherever you want so let's say let's say for example you've got given the wide by mistake instead of the person's wife you could pass it over to the wives you capacity back to the wife you know where that that's okay though and we'll talk about this as well if the person's making kiddush for other people he's a ready-made kiddush and he's not going to drink from the wine all right everyone else is going to drink from the y but he's not going to do it because he doesn't have to then when you get your your little cup of wine you need a drink from you can't pass it on to somebody else because that really is the wine of the MIT sir Yeah right there is a team energy I learned something wrong we make ish then we have the cup it sits in a plate then it has cups oh it's me right and you might fill it around and then food that before I drink oh can I do that no you should really drink first and then pour it and then so here what what I think should do is like this I'm just making a suggestion like this is this is normally quite an ornate thing right it's a very beautiful figured so you ever seen these things they sit in the middle with a you know big cup over here in the middle and then there's spouts all the way around it with little cups underneath and of course you gotta make sure that they're lined up otherwise your stuff go spritzing everywhere which is also a lot of fun but so they kept the problem is like this when you make kiddush right so you might kill each over this big cup how does it work you put you pick it up you make kiddush and then what you put it back in and you have to turn it or something how does it work to get it to come out are you just pour it or into this big one don't go to room oh good okay so I think what you should do is I think that you should drink first if you don't want to drink straight from that cup because that's what you're going to pour into the other one so pour it into another cup and drink from that and then pour it into the little ones through the you know through that thing and and then you can hand it out that's the best thing to do that's what sounds to like me and the reason why you need to drink it quick basically the reason both of us why you should if you make up lessons drink it first or the reason why if sounds positive and it hasn't been drunk from a tricky bus because it's blessed and so it's important even for the mystery yeah yeah well once you've normally once you make a brothel with something you should really do whatever it is that you've made the broker / so for example you want to eat an apple so you say boy priya aids over the Apple and then you should really eat straight away rather you don't make a broker and then go on to the kiddush okay sorry go into the kitchen to find the Apple right so the same thing over here stop it the same thing over here that you make kiddush and after you've made the kiddush the person's making kiddush should really drink from the wine straightaway right to make a break between the prophet and the action itself you think about you know there to be good people like you said don't wanna drink drink ya know I can empathize with that one hundred percent which is why you should pour it pour a little bit into another cup you drink from the cup that you make kiddush out of as much as needs be and then take the the stuff that you put into the whining you're putting to the other cup and pour that into the thing that's gonna you know you never know Frankie get back the bowl and pour into them yeah sure sure sure sure so long so long is it so long as it's mixing together with the original amount right so let's say you've got yeah that's what I do at home right when I make kiddush so I pour a little bit of the wine out into a glass and then I drink from the silver kiddush cup and give that give that to my wife and then fill up the glass with kiddush wine and then start pulling it into little little cups to pass them around okay so you can take in the bottle where you haven't think there's no blessing on that point we're going to talk it up yeah yeah it's a lot so long as you've still got some of the original wine in there right here at a drink of the killer's that you you still have to drink yeah for sure that means whatever you're bored to later on it's got to be a different lately yeah it's that's why I'm saying you ain't ah ok let's do this one more time you got it okay you've got it then we'll do it one more time you make kiddush over here this is the cup that you're making the kiddush over the cup is full of wine right after you finish kiddush you then pour a little bit of that wine into another cup right you look if you want you can pour a lot of that wine into the other cup and drink from the other cup you can do that if you want and you've got it you've got a drink enough of the wine right we'll talk about it now right you've got a drink enough of the or what wine that was in the original cup was there were three quarters or half so I'm going to talk about it nothing what's going on here today the butt but you hear what's going on right now you can add to the wine as much as you want so long as it's always a little bit of the wine left from the right so you made kiddush and you've got a lil bit of wine there in the bottom you can feel it all the way up to the top and you can start giving that out to everybody if you don't have enough you can then leave a little bit of that at the bottom and fill it up again and pass it around you can keep doing that if you run out actually if you run out by accident yeah i think i think when that happens the only alternative is to take the person outside and crucify them on the front lawn okay here we go I don't really don't see any little time and it's a good thing the good the good news is that even even though right you've pulled out all the wine they're still going to be you know drops and bits and pieces of junk come on case nice and oily okay it's your sin are over it is my class so I i get to change the scenario to make things less complicated so the again here let the Benjamin right venue the truth of the matter is like this that if I'm making kiddush you don't have to drink from the wine in order to fulfill your obligation your obligations ready to hear kiddush right so giving out the wine to everybody it's just like it's a nice thing to do but it's not an obligatory thing to do so let's say for example we're going to use your scenario because you're a guest here and you're English and we try to be nice right because there aren't too many of us so right that if there is nothing left inside of this glass whatsoever it's got every single drop of wine has now gone but bahasham it's not the end of the world because all the people that were there that we're listening to the kiddush fulfil the obligation play here in the kiddush anyway even though they didn't drink any of the wine i'll tell you more than that actually if you don't like wine and and you know you don't have to drink from the wine that's been given to you that's been passed around I also happens quite often especially you got yet you've got if you've got kids over Bar and Bat Mitzvah but they're younger and somebody's making kiddush over you know like over dry red wine for example so that you know people don't think maybe don't like that huh if you if you feel your obligation if you say I mean listen it's a listen because you're you're sharing inside of what's called the cost show brucker right which means at the cup itself that had the wine in it to begin with is a wine it's full of broker so you want to hand it out to everybody everyone should have a little bit of that but it's not you're not drinking it in order cos your broker is a brother is a cup that's full to the top and has had a bracha recited over it so the truth of the matter is that cost shell bracha it could be kiddush could could also be a cup of coca-cola right you fill up to the top and you recite the brother shark only a bit virile that's also cause shell bracha however the Camorra defines a kosher brothel in that when the grottoes malaysia brokers talking about something that's being used for some kind of a ritual thing right off a kiddush for example yeah you fill up the cup cup all the way to the top and you make the bra for it and now you want everybody to share from they should all have a little bit of that Braco should be passed around to them as well yeah well if you so you make kiddush overwriting the nobody's gonna get a bit of bread but you hear what's going on which means like this you don't have to drink the wine in order to fulfill your obligation for kiddush right the personal maid Kira she recited the words that need to be recited and that you were listening so you fulfilled your obligation now that little bit of wine that you're going to get to drink over there it's got less to do with the kiddush itself and more to do with the idea of sharing inside of the blessing right now my main arcata will you pass it from oldest to youngest after women to men yeah so again there is definitely I mean you know there is definitely all kinds of customs inside of homes that it should go to it goes to the oldest goes that you know the wife and then it goes to the oldest children sometimes they give it out to the guests first the anything-goes like really want Jennifer go no shots like this if the person's making kiddush is not drinking from the wine like I said before because he's already made kiddush right and I was just coming now to make kiddush everybody else once you get your cup you need to drink from it don't pass it on to anybody else but if it's a regular sort of like standard scenario where the person who's making kiddush is drinking from the wine and then passing the wine around everybody else so whatever you know if you want to pass it on to the person next to you because you feel that you want to you know that they they deserve it more than you deserve it they should get it first that's fine and if you feel that you deserve it more than he deserves it then take it back you know the fight over whatever it's okay very good question and we go to the what what is why does one have to cut the bread and over again this year we just a poor the breaded pieces and he just gives each person their obligation to cut the grantee it's it's certainly better to cut the bread certainly the foot the first cut it's fine yeah it's considered it's good it's considered to be a a more how is that yeah I'm more beautiful and it's considered to be a more beautiful way of fulfilling the meter by using a knife to cut the bread with but you know what I'll be here in the yeshiva first of all they probably have plastic knives which break the minute you put them into the whatever whatever you try to cut though they'll break so i think i think that the bet the best thing to do if you can is to cut to cut at the beginning and then afterwards you know people want to take and then you know you want to start ripping it off and showing your animalistic tendencies that are fine how much you supposed to drink right you gotta you gotta fulfill here you gotta fulfill your obligation are you the one that's reciting kiddush and you've got to drink the wine how much you supposed to drink in order to fulfill your obligation drink always have ok so we've got we've got a few we've got a few different opinions over here like the first opinion is the minimum opinion which is something called can Malloy loog mouth now Malloy look mob is our lucky definition which is very difficult to measure it's a cheek full of liquid yeah my beautiful my beautiful assistant over here Malloy which means full Luke mouth which means a cheek right so your your cheek you have to put your cheeks worth of wine you loo look man I'm a lot look mouth right so far so good how much is that I don't know because everybody's got their own cheek some people over here I've got a lot of cheek actually good too what a that's interesting here liquid measures normally amyloid look mother cheek full that's like a standard liquid measure so if you want to know for example you're drinking a bottle of water over here right and you want to know whether your foot whether you are obligated to make an after bless so interesting enough when it comes to liquid and after blessing is not dependent on how much you drank all together it's dependent on whether you drank a cheeks worth full in one go so for example you could drink it lets water maybe it's not a good example but pop coffee right you could drink you can have a big cup of hot coffee but there's no way that you can put in a cheeks worth of hot coffee into your mouth because you're going to school your mouth right so people sit there coffee now this could be it could be a half a liters worth of coffee that you're drinking over here yeah ended after nothing but you won't make an after blessing because you never drank enough in one go to obligate you to make the after blessing many people have the custom what did you just say I don't know cuz I've seen people all rights you know oh so hold on a second what how many people do they make after Brooke what yeah it was clear that I hadn't finished the what are many people do they make sure even though they sit there coffee because it's hot they make sure they leave enough at the bottom right that's cooled down in order to be able to get a cheeks were full to be able to make an after blessing okay water let's go back to your bottle of water over here right if you are sipping your water the whole time so it's conceivable that you won't have to make an after blessing even though you just drank half a liters worth of water but if you made sure that you drank enough in one go once of Malone look above one cheeks were full then that's okay then you have to then you have to say the after buffer at the end is that is that clear so far yeah I've got the awful lot of blank faces out there it's enough look a mouth his right his cheek mallat look mob you're not familiar with an afterglow okay we have we have blessings you make before you eat and before you drink there are blessings you recite afterwards as well which are a little less famous I mean that's not true the most famous one of course is because Emma's on right where everybody everybody who's you know if you've ever been to a shabbaton so everybody sits around and sings it all with great with great energy and but there are other after places that are recited when you don't eat bread use the question on that so one of the reasons you mix with ferocity a lot of the gym is so we can do the middle of a connoisseur much about yeah not just on Shabbat well write that why people kill me don't have bread during the week is because you don't I think I think so most people they're busy their physic making calculations that you know oh my gosh I'm gonna have to spend three minutes benching earlier this is so this is terrible I can write like hates fine Brett it's just it's all kind of bread products so you know bread Peter bagels Peter Peter okay bread Peter bagels anything that's like features consider I don't want to get into it right now that an especial kind of break you get that doesn't qualify there is special bread that you can get it's not made with it's not that you know in order in order to be obligated in big customers on the bread house are made out of 5 one of five different kinds of flour right so there's wheat as barley the spelt there's right and there's oats there are breads that are made for example you can get bread that's made from rice flour which it doesn't taste exactly the same is there like that I wasn't gonna say that ah right if you eat rice right that's kitten yacht so for this far and it's no problem if you eat rice then you can make all kinds of wonderful things make it with rice flour making sure that it's all you know got no no not nothing else inside of it you've got to be careful and paste i forgot to be careful or whatever you're using is cash ella pacer right so but if you can find rice flour that's casado place a few could make in theory you could make rice bread my mother used to make rolls on Pesach which were made out of timile which they were pretty delicious but you know again so here if you if you've got bread if you've got let's say so let's just go back to rice bread for example right if you've got bread that's made out of rice flour you don't have to wash over it and you don't make a mighty over it what do you make over it you would make them as or not because rice is mizzou not but the after blessing interestingly enough would only be a boring if a shot because rice is pretty weird stuff hello are you regular bread yeah you need to wash your meter you need to make right on at alleged I'm and then I'm going to like a minute all right and then when you finish eating you need to make bearcat amazon you save your cut amazon sadly the after blessing that's the most famous of the blessing that most people are familiar with is beer cart amazon however there are two other after blessings that are recited which are a little less well known one of them is after you've eaten is or not so we're talking over here about cake cookies pastor the rakers I'm trying to think of things that have got to help help me out couscous help you out but one minute don't don't don't do that hold on just just stick right now let's just stick with them as or not right now right so once you've eaten this or not the after blessing thumb is or not is something called a Lamia it's a lot shorter than barakat amazon but it's also it's a lot longer than the other after blessing that we're going to talk about in a moment ok so again I don't know pretzels that's ms on our right so you decide that you're going to have some pretzels you make a boy my name is or not and then after you finish eating your pretzels you then make a ala meteor on the which is the after blessing it does depend on how many pretzels so you've got to eat but that you don't have to eat it's not it's not too many before the obligation kicks in and it's truth is it to say with everything right which means it you know cuz I so if you eat if you eat cake if you don't need a very small piece of cake you would make them as a knot at the beginning you would not make and after blessing because you haven't eaten enough did you eat so I one thing I one thing I've noticed the monster you Sheila Bakken is that they become very from when it comes to the after blessing on cake and they insist on having several pieces by just to make sure there's no question whatsoever that they have to make another blessing I i would say again it the problem only here is that it goes according to volume right now some things are denser than others so clay which has got lots of flower in it right that could that that's probably Emma's or not and it's a problem because it's very fluffy right so even though you may get in a bowl of soup Flay it looks very big right I don't know how much I don't know how much souffle you have to eat in order to have the after blessing kick in because it's you know it's really not dense at all survive it's made properly right if it's not made property than it's inedible anyway so whatever and it's an interesting question i don't know you need to speak to a bunch of speak to one of my kids they got a daughter she's a great cook have to find out what she's what she says about souffle but yeah so but a normal circumstances it goes according to it goes according to a hit so for example you know what it could be that you know a handful of pretzels may have more of an obligation to it than a bowl of soup fillet right because of the because of the difference in its density Todd's it's hard to measure these things that really is how much is a cause I it because I'd is it is a large olive and a large olives worth of volume of food now what are we talking about something like that but it's got to be all of it right so again piece of cake piece of cake would probably do the trick [Music] what I'm trying to think what wouldn't you know maybe maybe Adonai maybe three or four pretzels is not enough to make an after blessing over you officers keep in mind though that even if you're eating only a small amount the first blessing is always obligatory right so you're taking let's see what your got you're only gonna have one pretzel you have to make them as a lot over the pretzel and then you don't so you're not making after blessings you didn't easy enough over there to fulfill the obligation to get to the after blessing right generally no no no not at all aunt interesting even though they go they're part of each other right but they're separate from each other as well the first blessing and the after blessing which means they say for example a person forgot to make a first blessing right so you ate a great big bowl of pretzels you forgot to make them as a knot at the beginning what now you still make an after blessing now lots of people say well I didn't make the first blessing so I don't have to make the second blessing either it's a mistake there's no necessary connection between the two right which means that you forgot this one don't forget to say that what you said preeminent they're two separate mitzvahs yeah the Gomorrah says it the same way that a person's obligated to make a blessing of the beginner obligated to make blessing at the end and again that's up to exactly what it means that if a person didn't make the first blessing at the beginning he should still make the second blessing the after blessing at the end and if a person didn't eat enough to make it after blessing he should still make a first lesson this might be so tracking slightly what will suppose of the timings between so if i have a mega betting pretzels now have some pretzels and then park now some more pretzels and an hour later good okay okay what's the thing you've got with pretzels and acted like resolute orbit oh good me neither actually you got me worried there from their thick is what is he talking about when you're this in tomorrow anyway so what it's a good question what do you do like this we're going to break things up into three different sections there are the bread if you ate bread if you wait ms or not and if you ate charcoal or borrowed pre are dumb or Beaupre oh it's okay three we've got three different categories over here hey this fruit Adam I use vegetables and shackle is everything that doesn't fall into into those categories let's have a look and see if you eat bread you've got 72 minutes to bench with in after you finished eating okay not just the bread which means you go to somebody for a meal and you wash your hands and you sit down here a Shabbat meal right you go you wash your hands you make a mighty and then they start bringing out the food you stopped eating color a while ago but you're still eating the food that's coming out dessert comes out you know you right so let's say you you washed your hands here like you want you want this to be a morning meal we've got child coming out you washed your hands at eleven o'clock right and you finished eating at let's say 1i took gosh okay two o'clock well you're really you're really going at it over there huh so you're feeling eating at two o'clock bread you finished eating at eleven-thirty right but you're still eating the meal until two o'clock from to a clock you've now got 72 minutes within which you have to recite very cart amazon it is true that there is an opinion which says that you can bench the whole time that is still feeling satisfied from the meal that you've eaten right but mainstream the mainstream ruling is that that's so that's where the 72 minutes kick in that up to 72 minutes after having eaten so you're still feeling the benefit of the meal that you've had and you can make it you can then bench 72 minutes later right if you want to extend this all you've got to do with in the 72 minutes that the Neil is anyway that has had something else it could just be a couple of nuts right it doesn't have to be anything of any substance substance whatsoever right you know nibble on it on a biscuit maybe one a piece of fruit whatever it is and you've now extended your 72 minutes all over again right that's number one yeah it's fine but it's still considered still considered with regards to benching it's still considered a part of your suit out part of your meal yeah yeah so if I stayed at the table from shabbat lunch we're going to do dishes years in theory theory and I kept eating yes in theory you would only have to bend it 13 the problem is that you are obligated to eat three meals on shabbat all right which means it really you need to make a stop and you need to bench and you need to make a break and then you need to wash your hands and start all over again yeah I'm afraid sir nice nice trailer I did you did your best okay that's category number 1 72 minutes right category number two no no cuz yes it has to be it's only right right and the category number two is ms or not so you sat down and you had a piece of cake call you had pretzels or you had a bowl of pasta whatever it is right and you've now got 45 minutes from the time that you stop eating you've got 45 minutes within which to make your alarm if you three quarters of an hour okay now the the the the logic over here is very simple even though some of you will say it's not accurate nevertheless the logic makes perfect sense which is that when a person sits down and eat a meal with bread they're eating more therefore they've got they're going to get benefit from the meal that they've eaten for the longest the longest time 72 minutes right when you sit down and you eat mazhar not so up until not very long ago when you sat down in a purse or not it was like a snack of some kind right to that snack that mazhar not because it's made with wheat and it's it's certainly it's certainly more substantial than eating an apple for example that will keep you going for 45 minutes you've got but you've got your getting benefit for 45 minutes and within the 45 minutes you should make your after brocker right the third category is the category of scirocco which is drinks chocolate oh that brought up that brought a smile to your face finally okay we know we know how to make you smile now okay so sure hawkish my social is chocolate or chocolate or perhaps people like to eat chocolate here I don't know the ice cream or chocolate ice cream even drink drinks not with my mother coach you should use chicken I mean the readers are shocked all right the retails are shocked oh yeah actually hold it just hold on a second right ice cream cones are a problem because them as or not so when you put ice cream cones are interesting things when you have ice cream in a cone you only need to make too rough on you need to make a shock all over the ice cream and you need to make them as a not over the code why is that why is that but yeah because they're two separate entities you make that blessing you think of it eat it so because we made a bet on the ice cream you can we make sure you don't need to clone you could do that because you go to meet you yes yes yes I personally I think you should make the blessing of the ice cream to begin with anyway because you're really only eating that because of the ice cream it's the best bit yeah for sure you should make the blessing over the bit that yeah initially home if they're these like little fancy you know about Belgium waffle light cones with all kinds of things stuck on them so you know what it could be Takashi you know what the maybe you should eat eat nibble off a bit from the top unless you're a little if you if you're a real ice cream pro you know you can bite off the bottom of your cone and suck it or ladder that's probably the most disgusting webbings in yeah I know wonderful you have to make it on the ice cream and then under waffle what interesting out my waffle cone they have cozy hold on a second wait a minute they have they have things called waffle cones over there I think you should make me I think she liked the brough of the ice cream first and then make a block over the code but when you order a waffle I know it's a cashier most people get you with ice cream and whipped cream and add liquid cream and you know I love yours what are you go over there I think you should make them as owners first right because because you're buying the waffle you want the waffle as much as you want the ice cream right in otherwise yeah very much so because mizzou not is considered to be a more important broker than shocked oh so that's why I'm saying that that's what makes ice cream cones this is your fault you started it that's what makes ice cream cones interesting is it oh but really the reason you're really eating it is because of the ice cream right so you're going to make a shower call which is under normal circumstance if you've got on your plate I don't know like a let's say you've got to pasture and you've got some chicken you would normally make them as or not over the pastor and then you make a shower color with the chicken and you would eat the meal but over here for sure they should because I just met example giving a book past my place to have with the chicken yeah although although while we're here with the pastor and the chicken it's it's one meal really where does the concept of a cone come from really just that you got you should have something to hold your ice cream in right it's a problem you put it in your hands it's not a great thing to do you put it in your pocket for sure it's not a great thing to do so they so they you know the idea of having an edible and edible cone for you to be able to take with and not have to worry about disposing it but for I really am being serious now for most people when you sit down and you have a meal right so you got rice and you've got chicken is true that the chicken might be more interesting for you than the rice is but it's all put to a part of the meal all right if you've got no intention whatsoever of eating of eating the the pasta and so you make you shower with a chicken and at some point you decide you know what you'll have a little bit of pasture anyway so then you should make them as or not but most people it's fine for having adding it all together but the ice cream cone is something really quite interesting halacha CLE because I wouldn't eat the cone without the ice cream so I'm going to make a schakal over the ice cream and then i'm going to make Emma's or not over the code itself however when I order a Belgian waffle so it's clear that the waffle is as important to me as the ice cream is and if that's the case and I have to make them as a not over the waffle and then make a shower call over the ice cream it's it there's like it there's like a it's like a hierarchy with bracket right so for example if you've got bread so you always make a mighty first that's the most important broker right under that comes miss or not because mizzou not is the most bread like food after bread right a lot of a lot of normally a lot of preparation goes in tumors or not so you know think of cake or even pastor you know if you make pasta properly it's a great big production you know making pasta still talking about it and putting it in and it took about actually actually actually making making it not just cooking it making it right also interestingly enough you should know that that's something new because in the olden days nobody ever ate meat without washing their hands and making a meal right so in the temple nobody ate meat without bringing together with it some bread offerings and when the person sat down to eat he would wash his hands and he would make a mighty this idea of you know we've grown up in a iron man even when I was growing up like that when that when they're you know the main meal of the day it was always bread on the table and you washed and you made a mighty and you benched afterwards it's a relatively it's relatively new this idea of being able to sit down and have an enormous meal right and and to you know to stuff yourself silly with all kinds of things and to walk out of there without having washed your hands that's why again that there's concept that a lot we don't change the how lockers right now local was established in this particular way with reciting blessings that it's true that you make a shackle over meat but and you know again but normally meet wasn't eaten by itself therefore you make a mighty you have it inside of your meal I what do you do now if you just want to sit down and have a piece of sh little and you're not going to you're not going to wash your hand you're not gonna have a mighty so you make a charcoal it's a little bit of an anomaly it doesn't fit in very neatly with that with with the concept of the hierarchy of brockett's but in general you've got a hierarchy what have you got you got bread a mighty you've got musze or not you've got her eight which is things that grow on trees yeah for sure it's all the same right now which means the hierarchy over here is exactly the same when you come to make black odd first first you've got a mighty then you've got miss or not then you've got her aides then you have adam r which is anything that's growing out of the ground right and at the end of all of that you have charcoal now charcoal intro what was the forgiving is when you come to drink wine where does how getting fit into all of this so I geffen normally comes in after a moiety so under normal circle which talked about this last week right under normal circumstances when you're doing the week and you're not making kiddush if you're going to drink wine in your meal you should make a mighty first and then during the meal make a boy API getting over your cup of wine right however when its young tougher when it's Shabbat so we do it differently and that's in order to be the cabbage we spoke about that at the beginning of all of this to sanctify Shabbat we use the wine so we make a broth over the wine and that's why we cover the salon if anybody remembers at the end of last week that's what we spoke about we cover the colored because really the halat are supposed to be having the brothel made over them first and we don't want to embarrass the hell are we cover them but why don't we do and once it first and then a whine about because of Shabbat we actually we have to be McCadden the day we have to sanctify the day right and the rabbi's learned from the tour is a Torah obligation to sanctify the day using verses from the Torah so the rabbi's added to that the idea of drinking the wine in order to give it a even greater significance and it already had so the blessing of wireless the the egg again the making kiddush on friday night is from the Torah but the Torah obligation is to recite verses that are going to sanctify the day the rabbi's at the time of the Talmud came along and they added in the idea of making kiddush over wine again to give it more significance give it more importance right now again what is shower call charcoal is anything that doesn't really fit in jit shower call it's a very generic kind of a blessing right so if it doesn't fit into something will make a shock all over it and just some interesting little hold on just an interesting details over here about bracket what do you do you've got something in front of you and you don't know whether it's bro p a demo or Beaupre rates you know me you know what it is right it could be because you don't recognize it or because you're not sure did it grow is it something that grows in the ground something that grows off of a tree so that locker is you make a boy PR de ma why because the tree grows out of the ground as well which means it indirectly you're able to fulfill your obligation because indirectly it really is our dollar because it came out of the tree you can't do it the other way round though which means that you can't make an r8 over something which was Adam are because that incorrect like a mushroom mushrooms are fascinating because mushrooms are shackle according according to the halacha mushrooms don't grow in the ground they grow on top of the ground they're very they're fascinating little things when you come to eat mushrooms you should make a Scirocco come first but at age comes over it's like this if you've got in front of you a tomato and an apple you should make the blessing over the Apple first because that's very pre eight and then only they should you make a brothel over the tomato which is by OPI Adama well I think I think why the reason why I think I ate this process because the classes are ghosts already come to treat yes I think I think that's right where the more the more that's going into its production so the greater its importance is going to be right so I Adama you just go you pull the cucumber out of the ground and it's ready to go right the the AIDS it's got to be nurtured it's got to grow it's got a flourish and then you can come you can pick it off the tree right but you've got to make the eight that's why it takes precedence over the our dama because there's more there's more inside of it yeah I have to say I heard that you before you you Camille on Amazon pretty great it's very it's good to see a shark Oh drinkers say sharp call on something for you so it's interesting that they're their opinions we said I'd Eskenazi opinion is not like that ask another opinion is that once you've made her mighty whatever you're going to eat inside of the meal not including dessert is included right I'm not including wine right but for example you can you make a mighty and then with inside of the food that you're eating over there in the meal you've got you know a piece of you got a drink right give it a can't bless you at least we I can a can of coke right so you don't have to make a brothel of the coke now because the the whatchamacallit the hamachi has taken care of everything is part of its part of your suitor ah according to some opinions it's better to make a shock all right before the meal begins then to make a mighty and then you don't have to worry about making a brothel owner by making it after proper on the shackle because it's going to be included inside of the academe zone however hold on a second hold on just one second i want to add something you know we're here the desert right desert is complicated I mean not eating it it's not but according to a lot of things that you would not eat together with bread should have a blessing made over them right so for example a desert they bring out ice cream yeah you don't normally eat ice cream together with bread therefore you should make a shower call over the ice cream when you come to eat it at dessert time yeah so far so good what about cake so you've got a piece of cake and you've got some ice cream sitting on your plate so there are two different opinions inside of a like that one of them is that the bread being at that the cake being similar enough to bread is included inside of the broth and you don't make a separate bra for over the cake and the other one is that you wouldn't eat bread with with you you wouldn't eat cake with bread therefore you should make a separate brush off Amazonas over it whatever you do it's gonna be okay you've got who to rely upon okay you in the same deep but there is no some muscle you could be i wasn't going to take care of everything right which means that when you come to bench at the end of all of it you don't have to worry about having to make extra after blessings over the bits and the pieces that you wait inside a dessert because that's being taken care of inside of the after blessing just one last thing which is what that's how we got on at all of us right when you make when you make a Scirocco right or you make very prix at eight or you may borrow p Adama how much time do you have to recite the after blessing inside of half an hour right so we've got over here the shackle Adama eight you've got a half an hour within which to make you after blessing after you finish so here you finish up your bottle of water and you've now got half an hour to say the after blessing inside of if you're having this or not you've got 45 minutes and if you've got if you've eaten a mighty then you've got 72 minutes ok so if you finish you didn't miss or not any other map do you do to after Messing's yes yeah interestingly enough right if you if you let's say you've had a meal and you ate pasta and you H netsol right so you would make them as or not over the past it would make sure how color with the schnitzel of at the end of it all you would make two after blessings one over them as or not of the allomere here and one of Baron fo shot over the schnitzel it's an interesting thing right because it again when you when you make AI might see it's going to take care of everything but over here it's not taking them as or not it's not going to take the animation it's not going to take care of your of your boring off a shot obligation you busy plus when you do a cut them with Zhaan you're seeing like all these prayers from our massage rights for that yeah good hope this taught me wisdom so what is it that gives you something who represents mom it is a Segalla for Panesar you also heard of you yeah yeah water you spiritually we wash your hands yes it's an interesting cat ballistically it says the more water you use when you wash your hands for a nutella a dime the greater is a blessing that's going to pour out from it what's intro what's interesting though is that you need to be careful right when you've got water coming out of a tap so you should use an abundance of water and emits are shown you should be you know you should be showered with blessings from God but if you're using water that has to be brought in from somewhere it's not a thing for example you're camping right and somebody's got a schlep this great big Jerry came down to them to the river to bring it up to wash hands that you should wash as you don't use too much water because you got to take everyone else into account as well it's something to keep out you know yeah but unfortunately things that are common sense a kind of logical very often overlooked at alone yeah also when you watch it now yeah when you can to make the breath blessing yeah we do all this from when we learn i love the van until isodyne you put your right hand up a little bit higher than the left one and you should allow the water to trickle down a little bit that it should cover all of your hand just one last thing before we get evicted you wanted to know what what it what is ms or not bread these are not bread is made out of all the same ingredients that regular bread is made out of but it normally has juice added into it fruit juice right it gives it a certain sweetness and it's got a certain sweetness and according to some opinions it is considered to be miss or not now it's a problem if you ask me which you didn't but I'm going to tell you what I think anyway it's a problem because there are two problems over here first of all there's something called being covet a suitor you sat down and you made a meal once you've made the meal it doesn't make a lot of difference whether your bread is ms or not or not or not you need to wash and you need to make mot over it because you're establishing a meal right now aside from that hold on a sec aside from that if you eat enough of this stuff you're going to be obligated in big cat amazon anyway so you should wash and you should you should you should wash and you should make a moiety if you just want to have a little sandwich so again if you're asking me there's one of things that my mother had one of her pet peeves was muscle not bread she said if you want to have bread sit down and wash and bench and if you don't don't but don't don't sort of try to I guess have your sandwich and eat it too right because it's all across the street as an otter yes so is it okay to eat them it's okay to eat them a sandwich normally by definition is something that you're eating on the run it's not it's not you're not sitting down and making a meal out of it but if you are going to sit down and make a move some people love that sandwiches as a meal right if you are then I don't think them as a nut bread is going to help very much even though you may like the taste you maybe you prefer it because of the taste but not so that the reason why holders are why would you no matter what sandwich even if it's not a meals because exactly yeah which means the Gomorrah says like this so men are you eating bread right bread bread is something it's a bread is a is a meal it's a food which has got a different dimension to it and it's something that's got its own blessing for it as well and it satisfies in a way that regular the regular food doesn't satisfy hi Dennis you see invitation that Rabbi woman will satisfy you in a way that I can't satisfy you and that's why he's come and I am gonna go good to be continued in etosha [Music] you