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Parents Navigating Turbulent Chinuch
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A Special Session for Parents Navigating Turbulent Chinuch by Rabbi Shmiel Neiman Shlita. Be Prepared & Preparing for Liberating Pesach HALACHA, MINHAGIM & HASHKAFA
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okay good morning um welcome to the
special session for parents
navigating turbulent finish
presented by kashanashi we prepared
preparing for liberating paisa
first i want to do some housekeeping
thanking my team
for encouraging me jinji ashley
rosenberg
painter coleman schleimer litzman
also special thanks to coach menachem
and us for allowing us to use their
platform
into helping us and guide us to make
this happen
i also want to thank torah anytime for
being there for us
all the time and helping us with all the
recordings
and being able to continue to spread
words of wisdom physic tyranny and
everything that
comes along with it an inspiration
special thanks to rashmi naiman
for willing and accepting
this covet of being with us today for 45
minutes
or so and being able to help us in such
a
turbulent time
it's only 12 months since last year
right
it's only 12 months since last year
where lights lights were
blinking all over sirens were were
continuously blaring all over
are you all nervous about paisa what
we're gonna do
everybody was struggling with calling to
say what you should do what you
shouldn't do
and it dawned on me a couple of weeks
ago
we as parents dealing with struggling
teenagers
and not knowing at night where the child
is
or having a child in bed and struggling
with these kids
that are dealing with emotional distress
as a parent some of us especially the
questions that came in the last couple
of weeks the parents called
questions about uh different issues that
are coming up for pesach
and felt it's only the best time now to
bring
the person that has been dealing over
the last 30 years
with parents with adults with people
dealing with ocd
and being guru to be able to help us
with these
questions it's only the best time to
have a person like kashmian lyman
to help it's important to
remember that if you have your own rule
and you should have young roots
your personal questions it's extremely
important for you to ask your own
group in your own diastolic this is
this meeting is designed where there's
so much confusion going on before pesach
between minhogem hashkoff and the sauron
and quite frankly a lot of times
it's not having the knowledge not
understanding
that time of crisis you need to be able
to do things a little bit different
it's important for us to be able to have
semiconductor it's important for us to
have a professor it's important for us
to be able to come into yantev
excited calm that helps for the child
that's in need and it helps with all the
other children in the family
kasha now she is always striving to be
able to help parents
to be able to be invigorated to have
physic to be able to avoid
we feel that in order to
be able to go into this yantu it's the
most important thing is not to have
stress that comes along with the
youngster and on top of that to deal
with all the other issues around this
financial stress emotional stress so i
believe
right now is the attuned time
first i want to thank gadalia for giving
me the opportunity
to have such as here as host uh
we would to be together but first i want
to apologize
my english is not the best i think it's
uh it's okay but it's not the best it's
not my first language
probably it's the sixth language but i
hope
i will be as hashem be able to
try to say he will understand why i
wanna why i want to say
the first thing what guidalia said
before
that we have to be in a very calm
massive we should be able to be making
the myth of nagato
because
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shiro the same ashrae was in
the same assurance comes every year in
every hidden
house the same cypher explains
that
asks how could a person say this maybe
an outsider is a long line waiting
want to join the seder well how could a
person say who
who wants to enjoy can come in so the
server explains hazard hellos that
invest
one from the one from the nissen from
the nesting was
what was invested in them
is and it it has place for everybody
so that's the reason why but the same
thing we say called the fin
comes in every edition house and there's
a gevalting opportunity
to shine in the shine of
amina in the turkan in our children
and this is a the way we should give
over to our children
could only be when we are in
calm massive we are happy we are not
stressed
because if we are we are stressed out
like hazal tell us
could not give over for the children
when he is an amateur from kabdonna
from from being
in stress and a stressed matter we have
to be
calm to be able to give over so that's
the reason we are placed overnight we
are like
all all parents are like milan and we
have to give it over to
the children in a calm way and that's
the reason
we have to try to be calm not to be
nervous not to have like a lot of people
there when it comes to the homuras of
faisal
they get nervous and this is a massa
amassa
once that we should we shouldn't have
the opportunity to give over to
our children and that's the reason he
came with uh
a mask from from kadisha from yiddish
kite
that we have to be worried about brock's
about the other you know how him
yeah you name it and we have to know one
thing
we have to be calm this is the first
thing this comes for
the the this comes before all humorous
from pastor the most humble we should
have
that we should be calm you should be
able we should be you have the
capability to give it over to our to our
children
in a happy way so
a lot of times we have homeless like
let's say drugs or we don't take in food
from other people
but unfortunately when we have when
we are in crisis like we have to deal
differently
like everybody understands when it comes
like when you have a child who is
mammoth sick
then everybody understands when it comes
to hummus of face that
we know if parents are in the hospital
and they didn't have time to cook
everybody will take food from other
people even we have homeless places not
uh
by other people the same is when when we
have
when we have uh when we have special our
special children
and it's also a matter of crisis
and a lot of times we have to give up
that usually we do but when it comes to
it's not a usual usual matter we have to
give it up
and we have to understand this is what
the revenge leader wants from us
the reborn wants that we should be in a
happy massive
and even even uh because because of this
special children
we can't you can be in all this in all
our homeless
let's say even with gibraltar let's say
there are people they have a homura they
only eat matzah
they eat the matzah because i smart they
took his eyes
and then they take off the whole the the
they take off the the
there are people that have the human i'm
not saying i'm not laughing of them
of this summer if people have this
height but i want to
explain you what we have when you have
such a
such special type of children and
they can't stand this humorous uh
probably everybody who is in the line
understands exactly what i'm saying
they they want to eat normal they want
to eat matzah in the in let's say they
want to break
they want to eat the matzo together with
the fish with the soup they want to put
in muds in the soup
and the way we are the way we we we
dealt
till the in and when when we didn't have
such
a special need of children it wasn't
such a thing that
we should rock but but if you
if we have the special children and he
wants to broke
don't try to scream on him it's okay
if you want to use plastic dishes
because in the height you don't have to
use your corel dishes
but if you want to dusky use your coral
dishes and he breaks in the
don't get nervous it's okay
doesn't want we should be nervous now
and we should be nervous about blocking
yeah it's a big thing but because this
will
bring out that we should be nervous and
this child will not will not be happy to
sit by the seder
so we have to we have to do whatever it
takes that this child should be but
decided not with pressure
usually usually our special children
they want to be better said
but they want it should be a happy
atmosphere if we if we will come with
the
with the atmosphere that we had like uh
unfortunately this is the way
we are brought up that when it comes to
the seder it comes to pace like
everybody is stressed
and i in when it comes to the hummus of
faith everybody like
gets freaked out and such such children
they don't want to
they don't want to sit by such as either
but if we will
be in a matter from no it's happiness
it's something and we want to be happy
we should
take all this type of humorist and put
it on our side because this is the first
thing we have to do
tells us
you have to understand you make a sader
for all your children
and you can't say i'm only making the
the sadie for for the ghost
i have uh i have hashem six children a
victor
and it's like a welding thing i should i
should make a sata together with them it
could go till
three or four o'clock in the morning
with the devil toyota and
the madrosh the
so why should i take this child more
than the other children the answer is
the bala god
says when you have four type of children
the shiny delicious you have to make us
say that for all
for all type of children and if this
this child wants to sit by say that only
for two hours he doesn't have patience
to say this should take like for six
eight hours
he wants to me he wants to start to say
that eight o'clock can be finished by
ten o'clock if it will go
like a fast seder like the mats
you make you make a pose and in
he will be calm if you see he wants to
he wants to join and he wants to like uh
like say that he wants to listen because
into hate if you see that he gets
nervous
you have to know you have to continue
deciding and you have to keep on going
you have to finish this
if 10 o'clock you finish with the whole
seder and
you want to spend the time like says you
should be up a whole night
and talking about this is
and that child was by the whole cedar
because it was
it was short and sweet so that way your
makhan the mitzvah
you had like like your children all the
children were decided and then
you can be making the mitzvah synthesis
with time all night
but has a challenge to say i i i
i i don't wanna like if he destroys to
say that i don't wanna i don't wanna
have him he shouldn't be about to say
that no
maybe the banished loyal wants you
should be to make a salary with him
more than the other children like i said
before it hasn't shown you have a child
who is sick physically
like everybody understands that that
this child will take first the same
thing is when it comes to
when you have a child who is sick
emotionally or is especially child
this child comes comes first
and if he wants to like enjoying the
seder with the whole family
you have to take it you have to you have
to yeah you have to spend time you
should be together with the whole family
the same thing is when it comes to like
let let's say this child
wants to buy all the nasirai the all the
what's in the store the older snacks he
wants to wants to buy the snacks
so he doesn't he can't stand the pacer
that he only
you only uh should eat matzo with
with the witch mouths and
and and potatoes and again potatoes
again wine again in the kitchen the five
foods he doesn't
he doesn't want he and
so a lot of people say okay they buy
they buy all the snacks but they say for
the other children
has a children to eat it this is this is
only for this special child
don't go this way you can say you can
yeah you can say for the other children
that uh like
like uh usually we don't eat it you can
eat it if you want but usually
we don't need it but buy it it should be
in the house
and if that that child don't make feel
that child oh this
this snacks is only bought for him it's
not it's not made for the whole family
it's only for him he's the special need
child so this is the
no you should you should you should buy
all the snacks water
all type of chocolates and cookies and
cake
and you should be comfortable and other
children if they will eat they will eat
don't make an issue from it even by us
we don't miss we don't we don't eat from
other people no we have to understand
when we have such a type of child we
have to we have to
deal the whole family differently
it came in a shiloh somebody asked that
um
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we have a child he he doesn't the
mechanic that
is the mahal shabbos he is he eats
comments
and he brings in comments in our house
what should be our response are
we here like to take the hummus throat
out of the house or to tell the child
if you're bringing comments you have to
go with someone
yeah yeah you're not you're not you're
not allowed to be here
with comments if you want to have
comments there is one thing
you should you should comment is only a
lot
in the outside of the house not in the
house and the question is
if he bought some some comments and he
burned
in the house if halakhadik if we arm a
cliff to throw her out
the answer is no we can keep her in the
house
if he brings this brings it in in his
room
you can keep it there it's not a problem
even it brings it in the middle of the
dining room
this comet is not yours it's it's the
child's
it's not yours it's your child even says
you have to throw it away but this is
not when it comes to this type of
children
like it's uh it's not only but
we spoke a lot of the when it comes to
others in
we understand our children they are not
considered like
they're not considered that even they
eat hummus and pasta they're not
considered like children we eat
it's a it's an amateur day they don't
have a choice
it's not how to show them that uh that
they're hive courageous they're not high
of course
and uh and you shouldn't like be excited
even you see them
eating humans and pastor don't be
excited it's nothing
it's not it's not a sin and uh
i understand it's very hard thing a lot
of times
a lot of times i think uh like
like everybody is different yeah like
everybody has this type of children
and everybody is not different massive
but we have to understand
if this is the massive kadhishvaraki
maybe you should be in this massive that
you
your child wants to eat comments usually
if you will not make an issue from it
usually he will not
want to bring your comments in the house
because usually they only want to do it
because they know that you will get
nervous they want to see
how they want to see how far it goes if
he brings the comments in
if if if my parents will get excited
so we have to be prepared for the
fireplace so i'm not getting excited
it's okay it's okay to have to have like
like a
like a a a big pie of pizza middle of my
dining room table
on the pacific underpass or kiki cloth
it's okay
i'm not making an issue from it when he
finishes the eating he goes out
like then he can throw it away but don't
make an issue on the front from this
child
get out you have all the questions
no but if somebody wants to ask a
question they can send me a message to
718 578-7799
and we can post a question or they can
put it on the chat possibly
somebody asked if the if
the child made like weed brock
and he he made like uh
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scrambled eggs would matter
so he took the pan and made the pan like
he he brought in the pan so
what we should do again the answer like
i said before we shouldn't scream at
this child are you're broken
don't do it don't do it don't don't get
excited
like your own broke is only a humra and
it's not a humor we should get excited
and like the the best way you should do
is
that um that you should
you should uh you should if you can have
already a different uh fry pen like
like you tell them like in a nice way
you don't brock if you you
want to break you should use this fry
pen and we
like this is okay but um
but if the matter is that
he like like i said before he wants to
like he he wants to
test the warriors how far the parents
will not be angry
and he wants to cook an older and all
the frypans
he is using it to block then you should
also broke it's okay
don't get excited even you have to give
up the humor of rocking and pissing
it's okay you have to show this child
that i'm okay with you
okay the question came in question
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now basically based on what the rose
said
that after bringing in comets um it's
not our problem what happens with the
rest of the
hummus that's laying around like for
instance if there's
crumbs laying around that's falling
apart all over the place
what do we do with that what's our our
cries on that
you throw to the garbage when he
finishes and goes out but don't
like not in the front room
no no when he finishes his pizza you
should take the crumbs and fruit in the
garbage you don't have to burn it it's
not yours
you have to you take the like you clean
up the house and then you throw it in
the garbage
somebody asked it's not a child of
mamish for pacer but for dallas courses
my child is a michael shabas and he
wants to know if he has to buy like uh
wine what's my bushel if if if he has a
wine he has to watch the child shouldn't
see the wine
the answer is it's not it's not a place
of kishan it's a shallow for a whole
for a whole year he is not considered
like
in the in the wine is not yaya he could
touch the wine it can be he can
it's it they are not considered like
this it's clear
somebody asked the question that dealing
with a child
that's basically spiraling out of
control right now
um basically the let's say maybe still
wearing the bush but in the room they're
being called chavez
and they're trying to be from the door
put on film they don't put on film
but we see that they're sleeping all day
in bed they're depressed
they're frustrated but officially they
are still from
do we still go with that
does that also apply because officially
outside the officially trying to show
that islam the director is struggling
but we do we find the leniencies on this
situation
the answer is like um
yeah when we have a suffix when it comes
to the toilet we have to go legendra
here is the homura when you have a
suffix we don't know where the child
holds
we have to call the comrade to go on
and uh no we have to have the commerce
officers no
you have a suffix you have a doubt maybe
this child
will take the homura on a hard way
and because of this humor he'll throw
away the whole yiddish guide
like we see a lot so then we have to we
have to be lenient
and you have to say okay maybe maybe he
is
stressing him out so the humdrum
is you shouldn't be mahm
it's now a question came in can we give
him money to buy
hummus the kid is completely over there
yes you shouldn't tell him
even i'm giving you money but
don't buy comments no give him money and
you should buy whatever he wants
um you shouldn't go buying comments but
give him money you should
you should it should buy whatever he
wants like the story
that they say from the khazanesh
somebody has the hazard that his child
is shabbos and he wants a shabbat makar
if you should make katana with him i'm
giving you the car but with one tonight
that he shouldn't
ride in shabbos and told him no no no
buying the car and he should do whatever
he wants
and the same is here give him money he
wants to buy homage
back it's not a problem
so now now there is a emotional question
is coming in right now
that i guess this is somebody that's new
to the
massive of having a child is spiraling
out of control and being very
very demanding the person is asking a
intellectual question emotional question
the child is coming to this either but
he's making it very unpleasant for
everybody he's
screaming he's upset and to what extent
do we put this child first over the
other kids
oh it's a tough one
again we have to try to make the most we
could
again so uh one
one thing we have to we have to know
that um
a lot of times because we have
expectations
before they say that we have
expectations we have an expectation
the way we want to say this should be
and
we want it to be like a pleasant say
that
everybody should be calm and no
no dramas and unfortunately it doesn't
happen
so then when it doesn't happen we get
nervous
and we have to understand we have to we
have to know when we have this uh
this is a thing a person has to do all
the time not not even when we have this
this special children but
especially when we deal with this
special children we have to know
not to have expectations and
before they say that you have to know
whatever happens it's okay
it's a it's a it's like a welding a
night from ashore
college comes to us and we will do
whatever it takes
now this child when this child makes
trouble you can try you can try to
again we a lot of times you can see what
bothers
them like we can see again but
but it will be like i know for a fact
most of the time when we we are prepared
that it could happen drama usually we
are prepared for more words
and when it happens okay okay
we we we were prepared for uh like for
much worse if we are prepared we we
think from beforehand art will be a
cider yo it will be such a
smack everybody will sit in a seat and
everybody will listen it goes so
then when it comes the first the first
thing then we get nervous
but we have to we have to do the other
way we have to
we have to like expect it could be the
worst
and then whenever it happens it happens
again if it comes to a point that uh
then you can't deal with it you have to
make up your mind
what you can do if you can't deal
because it's not
the way you are exp
it's not it's not your expectations this
this is the you can't handle it or you
can't hold it that means you know for
for real you can't handle it it's not
you it's not the ego
it's uh you can't help it because you
see the other children can
can stand it so then again i want to
tell you you know
we always make mistakes and we will
continue making mistakes
we can know like beforehand like a lot
of people are telling me i want my
benny should be with me 24 7. and then i
could ask him every shiloh
how we should deal now how to deal now
nobody like has the answer from the
first minutes of the second what they do
we always make mistakes we have to be
ready to make mistakes
but it's a shine of what comes in that
moment and we have to be
we have to be amnestic with us and it
could be we will make a mistake and it's
also okay
we have to be masculine to make mistakes
and usually
in that way usually it happens it goes
good
so now a question came in that my son
loves to cook
and he loves to make matsura or make
something with matzo meal uh
cake or something am i allowed to taste
this food because it's going to give him
the office
he's going to feel as a parent this is
coming in from england wow wow
wow the answer is yes you should eat it
yeah
it's a mitzvah you should make it it
could be you have to make a broker
before he eats it but it's a mitzvah
it's a myth we should eat it and make
the child feel good yeah
so the question now is also coming in
that um
let's say for instance the child lives
in your home i'm selling the home and
selling for
for mkhitaryan so what do we do when a
guy at the room itself
or or do you sell the room with the
child without the child
so the question is what do we do because
we know that we have one room designated
for this child
and do we have to sell the room what do
we do it means it's his room it's not
his room
should i sell it and then tell him
should i not tell him that i'm selling
the room should i clean his room before
face up or not
would make him uncomfortable should i
clean it or maybe not even clean it at
all do i have a horizon
to clean it do i have to be by the
hummus in that room that's another
question that came in
okay the answer is like this um usually
when we have such uh
such children we try to make them
comfortable usually and this is the way
we have to do it not only for pastor we
have to do like uh
like in every like to make the child
really feel comfortable
we have to try like every week like to
clean his room
the i hope that uh you know it took time
for me to understand it but um
there are parents they they say if if he
wants to have a clean room
they should do itself
he should do it by himself but we know
that it doesn't work
usually they don't know what means they
don't know what means
rules and uh
the cries from uh from us parents is
that the child should feel good
should feel comfortable and we we should
we should clean his room we should have
made older times not
not only for placer so now when it comes
to pastor
we have to clean the room like we clean
the room uh older times it's not that's
not we should clean the room special for
pacer to take out the comments
like if the child would be like you say
for the child okay i want to clean your
room because i want to make sure that it
doesn't have comments no no no don't
no not this way i want to clean the room
because i want to i want to make you
feel comfortable i want you to have
you should feel comfortable you should
have a clean room
so now when it comes to mercedes hummus
in the in the star when you sell the
comments
and the heater says wherever you have
comments is sell
for the good you don't have to like
usually you make a place that that place
if you have comments you put in that
place
but clearly it says in the start from
the mercado's comments
we sell for the guy all hummus
wherever it is so this time you don't
have to be
mafara that he is selling the whole the
the room of the child
it's automatically if he has comments
the place of the comments gets
gets sold for the go automatically so
don't make a
like a point i'm selling the the this
room because of comet snow and hazard to
tell the child
i sold your room because you have comets
in the room
so now questions coming in regarding pet
food
person has a pet in the house and you
need to
provide the food so it's hard to change
the diet for the for the pet
before pace after that week but
realistically speaking the pet belongs
to the whole family
and now what do you do let's say you
can't get uh push the price of the
pet food so what do you do in that
situation you only have the pet really
for that for that child
but the pet really is the old family
well
i don't know i guess that's the question
that came in
i know in the past they were they were
they were looking for different types of
food that we could use but i guess this
is the question that just came in
how we market the conversation
how do we make it work
wow
the pet food is a thing that you you
have to give it every day or you can put
it like
a air filter in the cage and you should
eat it for a whole pacer
oh i don't know i don't have a pet
i don't know the answer and it doesn't
matter why what path it is i don't know
what that is
the the thing is like this we should uh
again if you could buy like
there are crucial pasta food i know that
pets but the question is if it's
impossible
again if it's possible you should have
not uh not comments like a food you
should do but if
the situation is you can't change the
food
you should uh when you sell the the when
you sell the hummus you should sell the
pet for the guy also
so the pet is not mines it's the guys
and the thing is but the the
the the pet food if you could put it in
like in the cage it should be the
whole place it's not the pet is not mine
the pet is the guys
you can play with it you can you can the
the allergy is you can you you can let
that
child play with the pet even as the guys
because in this home it says clearly
that if you want to use it you can use
it
it's not like hello but now you're in a
with the abbott situation
so um you should sell you should sell
the pet also for the guy and
like it's not mines in the in the food
for the pet is also the guys
so that way we will not be over
oh they say there is a company is called
kosher paws that they make special
cushion a pastel food for pets
okay
so maybe the roof now for the last few
minutes can give the physical appearance
that are struggling
to go in with the semiconductor
calm they also want to before we be
closed um
basically talk about the shabbat on the
upcoming shabbaton
which will match on the june 10th
through the 13th
thomas base thomas all are invited go on
to our website
kashanowski.org over there you can
register if you didn't register yet
also if you want a sponsor if you want
to give donations
it's also available in addition to that
all previous lectures that are given
throughout the weekend
is available through our website and if
somebody has it filtered
click on our website and be able to go
for any time to be able to see it over
there
it's not on the regular tour anytime
because for obvious reasons it's not
something
for every person to be able to go listen
to it
and we have to understand that
that kaddish baraki gave us this here to
have this type of children
and we have to we have to take it
like like like uh
i explained by you
uh i was two times ago i explained it
from desire
the zory explains before mashi is going
to come this type of nishamas will be in
this world
and he gives such type of of children
for
special parents and we have to look on
it like it's not
it's not an issue it's not a punishment
it's a it's a
he gave for us this type of children we
should be able
to be makazik them and it's the biggest
what is in this world that we
that we can be such type of children
says if a person will live thousands of
years
he will not do it and he will and he
will save her
like like 1000 years in a row one minute
after the other
he will not give an the way
when he tries to help other people and
unfortunately this is helping our
children
it's the children of they're going to
shallow them and
we try to help them and and it's a swiss
it's not it's not it's not a punishment
and this is the way we have to look on
it i know
we have to be much hazard ourselves all
the time it's a struggle from every day
every minute
and the shrapnel comes we a lot of times
we have shame
so we have to be much hazard ourselves
like to put the shaman aside
and to do whatever we should take we
should take it like
it's a he gave gave gave to us
the the the privileged
such type of children and the same thing
is when it comes to assay there and
when we think oh i have such uh such a
such good kinder such i have
with such a child or a lot of times we
have a few from such children
and we shouldn't we shouldn't look on it
like like a punishment you should look
in that book hashem because what he gave
it to us
and we will deal with us we will do
we'll do this as an assailant
he said before mashikh is going to come
that
with our with our whole heart
and this is one of the ways when we have
he gave gave to us such type of children
we have to
we have to serve kalisperki with the
whole heart
we have to all the times you have to
choose will schmidt
first which is which is uh which is more
like i said before a lot of times uh
broken is a thing we did in brock when
it comes to such a type of children
maybe we have to give it up and all the
times we have to like
what what what what once the bunch
learning from me now
this is all the times every minute this
is the question
what wants the revenge of me now and i'm
i'm gonna serve the revenge lord and
what he
wants from us and this is the attitude
we have to go to the enterprise because
we have to give over for our children
and
this is the way we we will give over to
our children that we are happy
and we serve a kurdish barclay with
happiness not to
we are angry under the replenish loyal
and why do you do this why this why that
no no no
knows exactly what's good for us and we
are happy with him
and this is the way the child will see
happy parent
parents this will make the the child
healthy
i'm not saying this will make the child
be ashamed of mitzvahs
not all the times it depends on us but
it will make the child
more healthy usually when the child
is getting more healthy usually it comes
today
is ashamed of its two but this is not
our
our goal shouldn't be oh like it can be
mispalo
it's a time but the seder it cannot
bench oil
but um but but but we have to
our goal is one thing to make the to
make our children happy
will will
he sees that we try to make to make the
children happy
because right will make us happy and
should help us everybody from us should
have a friend of yakushariyamtev
the first time was when abramovini the
muhammad finn
from the five uh
that was placed of the night the the
second time was mcallister went out from
the time
the third time is when the muhammad
is going to
of thor anytime it's on our website you
can't go direct the tour anytime you
have to go to our website
again if you want to register for the
shabbaton all the information is at
kashanash.org
thank you again for the rule for
everybody else to have
covers of das and a question of rights