Keeping 3 Hours Between Meat & Milk - Rabbi Reuven Lauffer

[Music] the men hug for three hours between meat and milk yes person is that oh that's a great question except you know you know it's a great question thinking let's say it's a great question I got a great answer that's my definition of a great question wait waiting between meat and milk right so three hours is fascinating you should know it really is fascinating because in in the show Connor in the Chicano rule can the code of Jewish law you have it mentioned one hour and six hours it's to do with the digester e-track whereas the food got to if it's got to the beginning that's one hour it's got to the end that's six hours right you know your colon is a rather lengthy process right where does the three hours come from so I grew up in England and everybody everybody kept three hours and I always thought the reason was yeah I told everybody kept three hours and it's a yeah cash accustomed that you know that in England Jews from Germany but the jerk that the original Ashkenazi Jews that came to England in the beginning of the 1900s came from Germany and they established the shuls over there United synagogues is is really built around yeah he cut customs and so I was always under the impression that cute three hours because it's like a compromise you know one hours too short six hours is too long gotta have afternoon tea at some point over here right so they kept three hours but it's not true there's actually there's a chewer from one of the early authorities who lived in the north very northern France on the border of the french-german border the border of the french-german border and he says I were there that during the winter it gets a little bit complicated but the the the amount of daylight in order to get elastic hours has to be has to be divided by 12 which means in the winter ours are much shorter and in your summit there much longer it's very rare that you've actually got days where each hour is 60 minutes long in the winter where this person lived the shortest hours in the winter were 30 minutes long a lucky gal was there were 30 minutes long now if you take 30 minutes and you multiply it by six you end up with three hours okay what they were doing was they were keeping six how laughing hours at their shortest point and that's where the three hours came from is it a an accepted custom well if you've got a background that's coming from the yakan right or if that's a way that you've always been brought up then for sure it's an accepted custom if your custom is to keep six hours then it's a problem to go down to three it's okay to go from three to six it's okay to become more stringent it's a problem to become less stringent there is a custom way to I might you haven't grown up observant if you have so what if you just started eating meat in the first two weeks you did three hours okay that's great that's fine so you can you can you can carry on you now you should you should carry on with the six hours why because you know here what's the idea the idea is like this for somebody who doesn't have a a proper custom a family custom right so the assumption is you should be you should be keeping the more stringent hours which is six hours right if somebody comes from a community here that's a difference over here you come from a community where the community keeps three hours well you see it's a problem now and I'll tell you why because there are definitely communities in Britain I took about individual communities not the whole thing it's not it's not one homogeneous community right so you've got communities in Britain where the accepted norm for example in the United synagogues is to keep three hours yeah there are many many communities nowadays to become a lot more stranger than they keep six hours for example I would imagine if you were to ask anybody in the jle yeah so they'll tell you they keep six hours that's my that's my feeling I've been very surprised X 1 or 6 where does a one surprise it telling you one because where is the one come from the one is the most lenient of all the all the possibilities what I started with really that's interesting what just that just to make a break just to make a break between the two when I started Kimiko sure I did it by meals so like if I hadn't I wouldn't have I kind of you know if I had to meet me I wouldn't have a dairy until the next meal and then I started doing one hour it's it's interesting in the Gemara when the Gemara talks about all of this stuff the Gomora talk that's how the Gemara differentiates at the beginning between each meal been Sudha la Sudha between each meal how does that how does that translate right so amongst Jews that come from Holland Dutch Jews about they have to have a masseur that of a tradition this is what they do they keep only one hour all right that's interesting I have a I have a come I wife has a cousin who got married to a to a boy they time he's Israeli they grew up in Bnei Brak very very from but the parents are Dutch Dutch yeah keys and she said the first time if she went round there for Shabbos so on Friday night they had a meal she said it was rather odd they didn't have dessert they just finished the meal with the main course they benched and then they sat around talking for just a little bit and then all of a sudden they fold back the tablecloth and there's another table cloth underneath and they start bringing out cups of tea and milk and dairy desserts and she was horrified she's never seen actually in her entire life she never seen anything like this sure I thought you people were Jewish what's going on here right and you have done as that means people live in the heart of Bnei Brak right this is like that they're very very from and yet that's what that was their custom well the Sun interestingly enough the Sun didn't have the same customers appearance because he'd gone off to yeshiva and in the yeshiva it's a little bit you know he says it's not accepted and he'd taken upon himself to keep six hours instead of one hour but I said there it there is such a custom interesting right out an hour they were part of a community were part of that other Dutch Dutch community so what what's the channel over there very interesting that when a woman gets married she should take on the customs of her husband if it's something which is if it's something which is considered to be a problem so for example I have a friend and he's Fadi and she's Ashkenazi and when they got married so in order to be able to eat what's called kidney art but on pacer she had to she had to make her utter utter out the dough she had to make it make her and now it's like and that what was the problem when you when you when you do a certain thing when you behave in a certain way it has a dinner of being like in midair it's like an oh it's somebody gets married and their customers to keep three hours and their husbands customers to keep six hours so you don't have to make a tart no you just you just keep the six hours if it's the other way round so you would have to make a Tourister done because you're going from something which is more stringent to something which is no because you you you yourself can't do it unless unless there's an overriding reason why you're doing it now you're being a lazy bum is not that's not considered to be enough the question it still stands if I haven't grown up with any custom and I don't have the custom of three yeah I think I think he's within my country yeah I I think I I'm not I'm not sure I'm not sure I I think it's okay yeah right like yeah I'm not asking from somebody I think it's alright he said it's okay okay get out the hill what if personally personally I think you should be keeping 12 hours actually at least you know know but he's already he's already started keeping kosher before he came to the yeshiva yeah you started keeping yeah yesterday two or three weeks I think I think the best thing to do right now I really do I think you should hold on to the three hours for the moment when you feel that you're up to it and you're ready then you can move on to the six hours that's the the more you'll find like I said it in the in the killers and gold is green for example with the exception presumably of monks and Dunston Road I think you'll probably find that everybody is keeping sick so we're gonna keep six don't know what say yeah that's the yeah Keisha sure and I just issued because it was mostly more stringent no sorry that's stringent with the monks the short core goal is green monk no no gold is green oh that's in that's the Kerala Darcy Shirin in Washington Heights anyway okay we're gonna stop over here it's a shell that means of course you have to wait six hours before each other sample be stringent right you know you never know [Music]