Karet Explained: The Punishment More Frightening Than Gehinom? (Afterlife #20)

I think it's my son. >> Welcome to all our Torah Anytime. Viewers, it's been a while. We had a break. [snorts] We gave the summer off. So, you can recap from all those discussions about gem. I'm sure it wasn't uh so easy. We last winter were able to discuss the near-death experiences. We spoke about Kev, the pounding in the grave. We spoke about on the way when a person was traveling to his kev the different din the different judgments that passes by a person as we know we're very familiar and we also mentioned of course the din of ganum now officially I mentioned at the end of the last year which in the end of the winter we're going to speak alhaba but there was a little bit of a what do you call a a clause before we speak to haba we're taking two detours before we get there but they're important detours I wanted to mention two things that happens after before one of them which will take only one sher hopefully one and a half shim will be inan of as we all know people sometimes do an isur which is ket and therefore what's the English word for ket word exision exision rightucation >> exision I've heard that before what I think it's excision something to that extent okay caret which only take one and a half sher I will spend and a number of sharim on the idea of gilgulim. I did want to speak about what a gilgul is the re the redoing of an which we will also speak about dbukim which I think many people might be familiar people might be familiar with dbukim and gilgulim these are all things we have lots and lots of stories but a lot of ev not just stories but also I want to explain how it works and why it works which answers an incredible amount of questions of what we call sadiko why good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people it's very very important to learn these things to be able to get understanding that we'll do also for a few weeks and then after that we're going to speak about finally and with the finale which we'll finish up with will be which we'll all finish up with is right which eventually we talk about the resurrection of the dead these are the four subjects which I wanted to hopefully try to make it to speak in this winter session we have about 20 chum I hope we'll be able to make it I'm not sure but uh we're going to try our best okay today like I said We're going to start with the subject of okay of ket which I told you is a decision. It's a certain type of punishment which a person receives for doing certain things wrong. Everybody understands exactly what it means. And therefore we decided we want to give an understanding of what happens when a person. So here we go. We're starting with a they were going to bring a few practical things about this also things that are relevant that have to do with this. Okay. So here we go. Most of what I'm going to be speaking about is based on the words of the Ramban both in the end of parat he writes somewhat over there about and also he has a safer called okay over there in he has a safer in that talks about aut about mourning a dead person etc and at the same time he has a whole section called which talks about our section inab and over there he has a section about ket describing He's one of the only people that in detail describes karet and therefore I I feel it of necessity a little bit to quote how the Ramban he goes very deep into the understanding what's behind karet and what it means because people don't fully understand what is karet it means that's it your nasham is finished it's all gone no more that's it turn into an animal just like a camel dies that's it so he speaks this out here we go basically says is one of the most serious punishments that a person can get it's called it's the destruction of the nephesh that's what he brings And he says it's not just the destruction of the physical body. Of course, it's also the destruction of the neph. But he says don't think that means that that's it. A person gets punished. No more and that's it. Because what is he an animal? That's not that first of all, it's not painful. If a person just disappears, a person who's a rash, right? A person a Hitler. Yeah. Oh, he died. That's it. Disappears. Well, then you're doing him a nice job. You're doing him a favor when all of a sudden no pain, no nothing. there's no there's nothing that he has to nothing has to be acknowledged to. No, that's uh that's not true. He says definitely he can't be that he his body just immediately disappears and it's not that. And here he says an important word in one line he says in the which I find incredible because he wrote this 800 years ago. He says that even though we know the nephesh is made up of we know it's made up of and of which are made which are connected or different type of we know is andh is the fury of a person is gava ru has to do with your speech. Offer has to do with laziness that he speaks help is but the raan says something more than that. And he says these words, listen to the words. You can't say that the disappears. Because even in this world, this is incredible. I'm telling you from the beginning of creation until today, nothing was ever lost. Things are only like we said, we'll speak about, but only things are change formation. That's what he says. Change formation. Nothing ever gets fully lost. calls and that's why kat is very bad because if it gets lost it doesn't get fully lost but you should know nothing ever gets fully lost and he makes if in the physical body in the world nothing ever gets properly lost so when we're dealing with for sure it doesn't get lost even if a person you can't say that he gets smitherines disappears poof and he's gone and that's it you don't see him anymore he says it's impossible to say such a thing because nothing in this world happens and for sure when you're dealing with something spiritual he never completely gets annihilated destroyed doesn't exist you can't take away an issa it's an existence that Hashem created and therefore it's around why do I find this incredible because you should know until 80 90 years ago it was definitely clear that people believed very strongly that when something dissipates or when something evaporates that's it gone when you evaporate water you super it's not there anymore that's it the the stuff disappeared and that's what it is Of course we know with our discovery of molecules and and and atoms etc. We know there's a there's there was a certain theory that was known as a conver conservation of energy conservation of energy which is approximately 100 some years old. This this theory was a it was a big it was a what we call in Hebrew was it was a nice nice vert right that they came up with that they said right that they came up with that they realized that nothing ever gets lost all energy can be conserved it only takes different formations you might see it you might not but there's no such thing as any energy in the world ever being lost it was an incredible find because with a waterfall with a simple waterfall you're able to give electricity to a whole city with a big waterfall I'm seeing on Niagara Falls, you can give electricity to a whole city because you're able to make a realization that there's no energy that ever gets lost. You're able to take the energy that's contained in such a thing and use that in a different way. When a person's on a swing going back and forth and he wants to stop himself in the swing, so he rubs his feet on the ground in order to stop himself. So he stopped. The energy went No, it didn't disappear. The energy that was in the swing went into your legs which went into the sand which is making you stop. Which made you stop. And then we have friction. We have something called friction which is the energy that came instead of the energy of you riding goes into the your feet which is stopping you which is causing you to come to a full halt. Which is causing you to come to a halt to stop you. You understand? And that means it's just a transformation. All energy exists. It just gets transformed into different ways. It's utilized and all utilized in the same in the same way. I'm telling you these are the words of when I saw the words of Ramadan. I couldn't believe it. You'll never find something that's lost. All energy is always contained. It's just in different. Sometimes it looks like this. Sometimes it looks like this. A liquid could turn into a gas. A gas into a liquid. A solid can turn into a liquid to That's all that's all it is. It's just a matter of how of how it looks. It's just a matter of this. And the Ramban already knew the sod from beforehand. Okay? He already knew this. He saw it from beforeand. But the Ramban is trying to reveal to us an important idea that we see from here that nothing gets lost and therefore there's no way to say that when a person receives shalom when a person receives ket exorcism right that he just disappears it doesn't you can't do that it must be some type of transformation or a difference of way he looks or some type of thing like that that must be what it is okay he says that's from one account okay and he says you also can't say from the second perspective that he just becomes battel to his original source. He goes back to his original source because that would be great. What's in the original source goes straight back to nothing better than that. That's that can't be it. So over here is where the Ramban speaks. You should know it's not so easy is a hard safer to read. Very very hard safer to read. But uh I'm just putting it together from about two or three different places. The way he does I'm just going to try to make it as simple as possible. Again it's based on infin and also in the end of part this is the way the defines for us what is okay so follow me he says >> I'm just in what cases I know the Torah says specifically yeah >> different situations people are over certain >> right I'm going to say in a second exactly the different situations >> what exactly do they have to do to have five parts >> oh Okay. So we'll see. Okay. So first of all he brings down that it's written in theim three different ways of the person being cars. In one place in a few places it's written I'm just going to give you the threeim and we'll define each one separately. Okay. In one place says the person the person himself receives that's written in many places by if a person makes the if he [snorts] makes the which is person if he's an animal outside of the he makes the container of what's okay it doesn't matter for what in few places it says they will receive This person will be in front of me from in front of me. This is written by a person or is 18 places 18 out of the 40s. I believe it's 40. It's it's in the beginning of it that gives a list of all the things that are but 18 of them is the classic one that a person list of relationships a list and relationships if a person doesn't do someone who eats blood etc. Over there it says these words that's the second place and the third each one will speak separately and the third place is the most severe double full this person will receive full-fledged okay full-fledged which is written by someone who does or someone who's curses okay these are the three types of references to what is. Okay. Let's start with the first one. Let's see how we go from here. Let's go with the first one. Okay. [snorts] Different types of person. >> Right. Exactly. That's right. Now I'm going to speak that out. You're right. Yeah. Right now I'm going to speak that out right now. Okay. So let's start with the first one. Okay. Let's start with the first one. Okay. He he says is referring to such a person who's and this is referring to a person you know any of us be but even if we are hopefully this is going to be our category where he he has over 51% mitzvot he's in good shape he does a lot of good things and he has a small amount of bad things that he does but in those little pecula of bad things that he does he has a karet he ate and he had some decided to drink blood he decided to have it there was vampire day and you know it's Halloween and he decided I got to drink a little bit blood right so he decided to just go ahead and take advantage so such a person has ket within his things but the majority is a good guy he keeps Shabbat kash you know he's a good guy he does what needs to be done in general he tries to do that's the first category that he's referring to he says so such a person receives the of the goof of the physical body he says that's why it says the ish the person gets a of um of the goof of his physical body that he um that he gets a problem meaning he has problems in his lifetime but it doesn't and this is a big I don't know if everyone realizes this this person can have but it won't necessarily affect his he'll still get whatever he deserves depending on his mitzvot he's going to get what he deserves but his gof his physical body will be affected how does his physical body be affected so this we have the gar katan says in that [clears throat] I'm sorry he says from the gil of kamishim from the age of 50 a person is ket it's a question if it's 50 or 60 okay there's actually a little bit of a change over there in the gar and also difference between the bi and okay but in one place it says 50 one place it says 60 but that means that the guy dies young he dies young okay and therefore he can receive his full He will get and he will get even though he had which goes with this idea that we're not destroying the but unfortunately he's going to lead a shorter life which is not either. Why is it not great? Because nobody wants to leave a shorter life. Nobody represents been committing suicide. But more than that, it also affects your because if you get 10 more years, that's 10 more years of keeping Shabbat. 10 more years you could be coming to this year and getting a tremendous amount of right 10 more years, right? There's a tremendous amount of stuff you could be doing during those 10 years and you're sacrificing it by receiving not you the person is sacrificing it by receiving karat. He loses all those precious years which he could be doing which he could be doing a tremendous amount. Okay. [snorts] So that's what it says that that in such a scenario that's what happens brings me also that if he was already old what happened okay it's a good solution okay so the guy's going to die when he's 50 or 60 what if the guyy's 70 and he decides to eat ones right the guy or he did something illicit right so the guy 70 years old I beat Hashem right what he says right what's happening to him so as this question and he says that sometimes there's what we call bashanim I'm going to speak about soon in years which we said or 50 or 60 and there's also in yamim which could be one of two things or he doesn't have such an enjoyable life that could be one okay but second of all the way of having jamim which is referred to in the garra and rash as rash explains is he doesn't he has an immediate sudden death or a painful death or it's it's a kind of quickish type of death which is not so comfortable but he doesn't get a chance to you know sometimes if a person lo sick it's not good but it's good also because you can pay back your debts. You could be you could do va you can you can you know ask there's a tremendous it's not a good thing should never happen to have a sudden death it's a bad thing because you you're left with a lot a big pila of what needs to be taken care of a lot needs to be taken care of so therefore um that's that's also a sug mention two points about this first what you were asking I just want to mention what you were asking okay is over here there's a question of what is how old this in the beginning of speaks about this rashi in Shabbat. Okay. And this is brought in a number of places the over here a little bit in and a few other places big. I'm not going to get into it because obviously it's a whole sug but I just want to mention the sh rashi holds ket means when it says the word karet that means that the person loenu dies and his children pretty bad pretty it's a swooping uh uh thing in other words or his children don't survive or he doesn't survive or they die young or this not a pleasant thing as opposed to when you get when a person gets that hashem gives him it's not correct it'sim which is less a thing. So he says only who means that Hashem takes care of his children does something about children which means one of two things or he doesn't have kids or if he has kids not all of them survive things things can happen to the children that's rashi learns most of the disagree with them the disagree they learn it differently and this is why I'm mentioning this because I'm going to show you something that has to do with this ket they say is less years the person himself if it's just ket is less less years. Okay, how many years is that? So he said 50 years old till the age of 50 years old. Mita is 60 years old. 60 years old meaning he buys himself 10 more years. That's really what he gets. Ket is 50 years old and is 60 years old. So what's the difference? Ket is also worse though cuz sometimes it says means you will be sterile. But what that means is that a person can lose his children also. So karet is worse in that it doesn't just he loses his life in early years but he can learn but only in certain cases only when it says aim you follow me. So Rashi learns that every the person loses himself and his children is only himself as opposed to most and I think this is how we can say that is 50 years old is 60 years old okay and if it says the person loses his kids shouldn't be relevant at all but it's just good to know these things so we know what to be careful about. Okay, that's the getter of now I want to bring something out. We're in the first category here. Only his physical body gets uh cut off early. He gets full but his physical body gets off early. So here listen to an interesting al that comes out from based on everything we're doing which is brought in the there is a and maybe even avah when a person turns into what we call quote unquote a zak an elderly person which I'll define soon okay don't take any offense please right by anyone right I'm only doing what says when a person becomes an elderly person to make a party you throw a party woo you know with a hat and yeah you're supposed to make a party make a you're supposed to make a it's brought in the because he brings even that a person can make a full when a person turns 50. Why should you make a when a person turns 50? What would be your first guess? Because you're making a party that what? [clears throat] >> I got out of car. I got out of the car. Haha. Watch this. Look guys, borashem, I'm in good shape, right? I tell you, I was a clean slate. You know, my teenage years wasn't as bad as I thought, right? [laughter] The chuba the chuba what is even worse. >> A person says >> actually rectify that if we say even 60 >> plenty of people who did like >> 500 karat a week and you know >> right so I'm that's what I'm going to mention. So it's based on this command. Let me read you inside the I'm going to mention 50 or 60 in one second. Now the garra brings such a thing. Listen to what the gar says the inside of you. If a person dies at the age of 50 years old then that's called 52 that was died at 52 but he didn't die from they're just saying you should know by 52 he died and it says if he died at 60 then that's me. I know that sounds exactly like the not like Rashi. They discussed that it's not for now. Omar Rabba and Rabba says between 50 and 60 that's correct meaning 50 doesn't mean on your birthday boom the guy drops dead. Right? That's not what they're saying. Rabbi says that from the age of 50 till if a person dies between 50 and 60. So he was can now again we never we never judge people. If a person dies at 55 oh he must that doesn't happen. There's other obviously but if the guy is so he will die in between 50 and 60 years old sometimes was that he should only have 55 years. Okay like that's what I was about to say the himself says you know he wasn't supposed to live he was that did for his mother and this and he came about to be etc. So Hashem gave him a present of 52 years doesn't mean he was ket necessarily but uh that's what it says. So 50 to 60 years that's coret and he says so I why' you only say 50? Why don't you say 50 is sexual? Because it didn't sound good. If it says we say between 50, anyone correct 52 that sounds bad. So he said only 50. But really the real truth is between 50 and 60. That is the time when he turned 60 years old says when turned 60 years. You hear this? We got another excuse to make a party, right? He made aan. He brought out the food and the booze and the Johnny Walker and he had a big yumpt of together. I got out of the Hashem saved me out of but he was 60. Why not 50? Because between 50 and 60 he's in what you call the skull and crossbones, right? Who knows? No, no, you never know what's going to happen. A person gets said I got freed from Rav was worried about I'm just saying you have to know. Don't think that this doesn't discuss us reveals himself. Abai says and even if he left by by okay you can make a party about 60 years old but what about maybe you're gonna get k of days and over here he says what's he says he dies what I told you before an immediate death he doesn't get a chance to do any chuva doesn't get a chance to do vain gets a big car accident that's it finished so that's very very bad okay so the kafim brings this whole gamarra and like I said if anyone wants to see it he brings the garra And he says from here it's to make a yum when a person turns 50 or 60. He says 60. The also brings it. He says 50 or 60 brings. Sorry. These are words. I'll get to 70 in a minute. Okay. You should wear brand new clothing or put a strawberry on the table. I shouldn't say strawberry. Watermelon on the table. Okay. We don't eat strawberries. I'm just kidding because of bugs I was referring to. Right. You should make a have this in mind and have in mind and some people make it even when they're 70 years old. And he says it's a Baghdad they make parties when they get to this age. Incredible uh incredible phenomenon here that we have from the kaf the beneskai that we see that there's an inion to uh to do it. Now can you guess why he also said the gil of shim also 70. So you have now three parties we can make we're Jewish here you know you have opportunity to make a party make a party. >> Why still 10 years between each one >> 10 years? Yeah you have to wait and you have to be alive also. That's also right. >> Right. But why why would you think by the age of 70 you should do it? >> Right. Okay. is 60 years and is being properly but why that's one thing right we say that a person we say so I'm happy I became at 70 years old that's one reason but another reason very simple I told you between 50 and 60 is and me is from 60 to 70 right is until 70. So if a person dies all between 60 and 70 it could be that was because of shine because of the sham based on all not like you follow me. So you have between 50 and 60 and you have 60 and 70. So there's a reason to make a party at 70 cuz I got cuz the person got out of a reason to make a party at 60 because he's no more he's out of ket. He saved himself from ket. We're not worried about and the reason I make it for 50 is cuz the said 50 that's when ket starts I got to 50 then it's already above the age of what we call of what we call karet say again if we did >> what do you mean if you did cha if you did chua hopefully it helps but you know first of all you have to know if you did proper chuva and ket is the talks about if if you're y because there's ket with mita and ket without ma sometimes a person can't necessarily do chua on certain kets it requires mita and it doesn't work depends on what it is. Okay, that's that's important to know this idea. We say we do not make if the person makes the party and we like I said before you should quote you should have a pre there have some type of vegetable or fruit in order to um to do it. I'll just bring a couple masim quickly. The leosher was a to the trumatum lived in the 1500s. It's one of the big brings him. Okay, the true he brings down that my Rebi did a did a on the when he turned 60 years old when he turned he made a and he invited he had a minan there and he made a okay [snorts] they all sang for him happy birthday to you and they all did it and that's what the dash did and he made a sum what I was impressed about this whole story is they say he did a on a true was one of the big he on one he made a I don't think you'd be embarrassed to make him a seal and these people made on like all the all the time and he was willing to do it and a similar story writes himself in a cha and you're a day you can look it up he writes over there on the first day of now you know when the birthday of the was that was my birthday he said I made a party I made a party at the gil of 50 years old when I was 50 years old because I got out of I was very happy. I was able to be etc. And I made a party and he made a mum with he said and he made a on one als people think you know don't do that >> but used to make a on every year so 60 we keep saying >> why do you do 50 you're asking why >> so we meant 50 was actually originally written in the kaf and and it does it says in the gar 60 but 50 is the age of k meaning I got out of karet. I got over the hump of karet because the garumar says 50 years old. That's when a person ket meaning one way of reading the garumar is you won't make it to 50. That's one of the ways of reading gumar and then afterwards another we said rabba says it's from 50 to 60. You understand? So there is two ways to do it. There is or 50 or at least between 50 and 60. So they're both good reasons to to uh to have a party. Okay. Anyways, that's uh that's what it is. Okay. That's what we have. also brings down that he himself made a sed on his birthday they did it as Ben was made that he did such a thing he he did it says when you're 70 years old to make audit don't say he says he says he has he has a whole cha there's called audit mitzvah so he says the usual answer say you say and it turns into a party a 70-year-old party it's very kadai to uh to do a Beautiful. So I think we learned something. Everybody here learned something today that we say that you're supposed to do it. I have to mention quickly there's two and these are chuva. They disagree with all this. They say not to make a party. They say it brings doesn't look good. You're showing off how old I am. You're thinking about that also, right? >> It sounds like killjoy. Right. He says the next day he's not going to be here. It's not good. He says it brings it's a little bit of a kru. Look how old I am. I'm so excited. Right. It looks bad. So they say you should always the Mishna says you always have to remember so they're more of a you know birthday parties is not as birthday part one time I had a whole speech about this I'm not going to get into this is a birthday party a good thing or is it not a good thing we see on the Torah only in all the Torah we only find one birthday party that one birthday party we find is >> parro doesn't sound too good huh birthday party but they bring down the on his birthday he used to domin and that's really what a birthday is to But how have I been until now? What did I do this year? Last year I was this old. Now I'm one more year older. Let me think now. What did I do this past year? H how many hours in the office? How many how many um how many gallons of wine did I drink? How many how many uh how many pounds of meat did I eat? You know like person has to concentrate really last year how many is there? No. Okay. How many a person has to make and say what did I do this year? That's what a birthday is about. You understand? And if a person can celebrate about that he has an accomplished birthday meaning this past year oh I did do something fancy I did do something I finished twoas which I never did before I did this then it's time to get out the you can squirt those things I forgot what they're called right do it with the with the dun caps and you could do it then that's something to celebrate you understand that that's where the has to be to be able to know it's very funny people think that you know you see like a typical American grandfather right a typical American grandfather his his pride enjoy to be able to go and shoot some hoops with his with his with his grandson. But a real grandfather is a person who's able to sit and hold a Gumar, be able to teach his grandson something to be able to be something of stature of sava. What the Gumar says zika zika that that's that's really what we're trying to do and that's really the episode that we're saying when we're bringing this out here that you have a happy that I'm out of and I'm doing something with a little bit of a thing. Person should never be over scared of death because I've said this in the sha Monday but this is good to know every white hair that we get you also have to remember is a hazala it's an invitation to being upstairs that's that's what it's there for so you know they send you in bet hana if you get invited to uh to come to a to a case every white area you get is really reminding you hey you're one step closer just remember you're one step closer like I said I've mentioned before I'm not scared to say it you know like people run away from the shar they're a little bit afraid of these as monotes they don't like these invitations they here. Don't tell me. But no, no, not the next world. Leave me alone. Right? That's not there's a there's a problem with that. There's a certain problem because it's a person running away from from life. He's running away from his obligations in life. And sometimes it's good to remember, you know, you go to the doctor and they start checking your height, right? They start checking. Yeah, I stopped growing when I was 20 years old. Leave me alone. No, I'm checking if you're shrinking, right? I'm checking the other way around. Oh my gosh. Right. You start checking the other way. The other way around. Unless I'll finish this one. Keta. Someone came to the rabbi and he told him, you know, rabbi, I'm turning 60. The Mishna says, when you turn 60, it says Benik, he says, I feel like I'm getting old and this and that. He said, you have nothing to worry about. Don't worry about it. You don't have to worry about it because when you turn 40, you wen you didn't turn Benina and 50 is 50. So, don't worry. 60 is also not 60 either. So, you have to do means understanding and say you don't have to worry about that. I'll go. This was category one. We got a little bit of a off the topic a little bit but it was an important off the topic. This is category one of which the which the Ramban brings to us that it's user that a person loses his body in an early stage but he gets full whatever he deserves. He gets it doesn't take away from his and he receives whatever is necessary to receive. Now let's move on to category B. Okay, category B of what uh what the Ramban was talking about. Okay, category B is the which we mentioned before. So the rabban is what's this is referring to a person should never be in such a stage but there are different people like that people are off the unfortunately that the m they have more than they have more sins than they have more a person loses misses doesn't keep Shabbat every week he's in bad shape I'm saying he's making a lot of problems here a person goes to out to eat he only eats tra so he has a lot of aonote you know what I'm saying so if his aonote if his sins outweigh his so then he's okay he's going to get it upstairs inim but if one of those sins is also if one of those sins is inclusive of he did a of illicit relationships or blood etc etc all these types of things if he has if that's what's on the side of the bad side so then he says these words he's called Meaning he will get a small but it will be very minimal. Over here he gets affected in he says like this the guy could look like he'll be multi-millionaire. He'll make a lot of money. He'll be rich. He'll be happy. I don't know about happy but he'll have everything just because you have money doesn't make you happy but he'll have things will look like things are hunky dory. He says he says even though he says these words um uh uh he says these words goofed could be he'll live a long life shva relaxed a bare he won't necessarily have any necessarily in this world things will be okay he'll have a nice long life things will be taken care of him yes Russia we know the kinglet there's a Russia sometimes lived a long life and you wonder how can it be it's not fair how can it be such a thing isn't the guy he says yeah he's karet but the bad kind of car not the good one the good ket the guy dies young that's the good one Because of course he gets his he gets everything. The bad karet the guy lives a long life. He lives till 90 till he's finished off pays him everything off in this world. He gets finished of what he is. And then he says and this is the words of the Ramb their body meaning uh their body is near. It's finished his burnt. Okay. is based on words a little bit of kabali words type of words but the I'm only quoting from I'm not going any further than that the and the is broken into an aar and it goes under the under the feet of the saying it sounds pretty good right is what you're about to say >> oh what's I'll get to in a second but that's what he says in the that's why he says you are in front of me you actually get to the next world he actually gets to the next world not bad he gets a little bit but he gets I don't know if the word is lousy but he doesn't get a great status up there in the next world. He gets underneath where he's not close to the and he's not able to do it. Meaning he's not going to suffer in gem for more than 12 months. I mean there are other things which I said we'll speak about and there's which can last a long time. He'll get us 12 months in Geanam, but then afterwards he'll end up getting a little bit of right. They make a duke and the Shabbat says by a normal person after he finishes gan the gofasel and you read it and his goes up by a normal person who goes to ganam normal I mean a person who's like one you know I say one of us but most people are probably not getting ganam but on a person who's going to get ganam so gan battel the battel ble is like it becomes battel nullified okay as opposed to over here it doesn't say battel it says a worse word it's a more serious word kal kal is destroyed. So over here his actual nishama changes formation. It turns into a pharaoh turns into a dust which goes by the feet of the tadikim by a normal person. He actually finally has to suffer again and what it is but then he gets up in gaden and he gets a nice piece over there. He gets to enjoy the he gets to be close to this person he gets to be in but it's a little bit if I could say a tease. It's not so he's not his whole life. So he gets him either but it's a tease because he's only gets to see what he wants. The way I can think about it is I'm not saying when I was in America we were in a certain area and uh we were in an area over there in in New York in my there was a place where the chicken coupe and and and the trap filling a raccoon a raccoon fill. I've never seen a raccoon before. It was very nice to see with very ferocious little being his mom is trapped like this. So, he couldn't move and he was obviously very irritated because he saw these chickens that he wanted to eat and poor guy now he's stuck here. But, you know, there were a couple kids there which, you know, I'm not saying we can't judge our kids, you know, but that's how it is. There a couple kids when they were there, they wanted to really uh I was hoping that the thing would open cuz you would have ripped them to pieces. They started dropping like bread around him just to tease him to like bother. Okay, it was not nice. I little kid's little Okay, give him a break. Okay. Just to tease him and you saw him like, you know, like he's so trapped and trying. It was like a very big tease because it's it's almost painful to be able to see the food and say, "I can't be there and I just can't get to there. I just can't get to there." Don't worry. They end up killing the raccoon. Don't worry. It gets taken care of. >> What type of person with the kids? No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. [laughter] He's good. They're good kids. [clears throat] I'm just kidding. I'm just joking. There's a person who kept some mitzvot. He did keep definitely some but he had a majority of of a usually a person who if I could say is consistently not religious to certain extent okay we're not going to get right now into details of someone we call someone who didn't know better he didn't even know what he's doing or this that could be a different category maybe we'll speak about in the future speaking a person who knew and he still did the majority of things incorrect but so this is the the thing he receives a little bit of ganed so it's good the guy gets a little bit gedan because he's there and in the in the feet of the tadikim. But when you feel the feet of the tadikim muscle hurts a little bit because you're almost there and you're not there and it's like seeing that bread around you. It's like it hurts, you know, like if I could and like we mentioned we mentioned in the gadam chair, the real pain of gadam besides the embarrassment of course is the pain of almost being there and I could have done it and if only and why didn't I and I should have and I could have and I would have and if why didn't I and all this and all that type of stuff. When the guy's sitting on skid row, he's on skid row. That's it. You're going to get the electric chair. There's not much to do about it. It's too late. You're going to get it. You can you can have that. You killed six people, but you did it. You understand? When you did it, you did it. So, there's not much to do. And that's really the pain of what goes on. But that's what he says. He's changes his he has a little bit of a little bit of the resting of being in um of he doesn't destroy him, but he gets under the he gets he gets what we call this what I call it a cliche. He's becomes like a second vessel in Shabbat like he gets a spillover like you know it's kind of like you get the residue the leftovers of when you pour the wine and the little bit of the leftover the spillover of what he gets you know the does does the moon have light we know it doesn't have light but it has light because it receives some leftover from the sun it has some type of reflection from the sun they get a certain reflection of it which is nice but it's painful also at the same time so it's somewhere if I could say in here I'm not here and not there you know a little bit somewhere in the middle between between the two things. He doesn't get the but he also doesn't get the the the he's not there either. You understand? So that's where this mat of someone who is occurring. And with this I'll mention one quick thing which is a little bit I think you were asking is is the over there this I always remember it stays in my head all the time. He kind of answers a question which is important question people always ask like we're saying over here. and and we say it's sadik receives good sometimes bad things why because Hashem pays him in this world he dies young has difficulties no money and this but he gets everything everything and a Russia has all the good stuff in this world things you know he's driving his Lamborghini he seems to have a couple billion dollars he's doing okay he started a good app and he seemed to make it he seems to be very mik what he's what he's trying to do and he's bald guy he's able to step on all the people in his company and act like a big hottie good for nothing and and and marry six wives. So things things sound great, right? If he's married the guy, I was being nice. The guys get married, right? So things are great, but in all he gets punished. So then when they go to say, "Hey, this isn't fair, man. Why you gave me all my good stuff in this world?" And it's not fair. Why'd you do that? Why'd you give me all the good stuff in this world? It's always been a little bit of a question. The Russia also has a time. The Russia says, "Why do you give me all the good stuff in the next world? Now I have to eat it. Now I'm in real big trouble. Now I'm going to be suffering all this time." He says, "Not fair." But what's the answer? And the Raman says this. The Raman says because the saddic his whole life even if he was doing good things there are sometimes bad things. But his thought his drives were always for the next world. Even when he did something uh when he did something good when he did it he was doing it for the right reasons. He was doing because he wanted to do it. As opposed to the Russia especially someone who didn't believe in Hashem or something like that that person was doing everything bad only even when he did something good had nothing to do with Mabat. It was never it was never on his agenda. Hashem gives you what you had in mind. I never had in mind. That wasn't on my agenda. That wasn't what I was interested in. That wasn't where my focus is. Why should you get you understand? You did an action, but even though you didn't actually, you helped the old lady across the street, but you had no intention of that was never on that was never on your GPS. It was never there. So why should So you get what you des you get what you deserve. You get what you wanted. If at the time if I would ask you what you want, you want to have a lot of money. Yeah, I want a lot of money. Yeah, you want to have a lot of right other stuff, other tabots, right? Unspeakable, right? Yeah. Yeah, I do want Right. That's where's that come from? He comes because that's what he's thinking about. So, Hashem gives him what he wants, doesn't they? You know, once you go up to Shabbat, you can't stop changing your mind over there. It's too late. You understand? It's very mat because your your intentions take you to where you're supposed to go. We we're we're a religion of action, okay? We believe everything you do has to be with action. You can't be what we call the cardiac Jew. Yeah. The famous Israeli, right? No. And we're not cardiac Jews. You have to do actions. You have to keep Shabbat. You have to do things. Sometimes difficult. You have to fast. You have to do you have to do things. But your maka your intentions take you like the car where you're driving to your it takes you to where you're driving to. Am I driving here? Am I driving here? Where's my intentions? And that's why there's this idea that we call and and of course we speak about we're going to speak about more this idea of good things to bad people. That's on deck. But that's that. Let me just finish the last category. This we're going to conclude or this we're concluding. Basically the last category is the third category which is um Hear the the Pik says a double antandra double karet double karate. Why does it say double? So here he says this is the worst. This what the says curses. Okay. Such a person is fullfledged. He receives a goof meaning two carets also the body he dies young. A he doesn't really live get he doesn't get much of a lama A and B doesn't get much of a lama either here look at if I can use yesu as an example okay I think is a very good example he died quite young I don't remember exactly his age if anyone happens to know maybe right but he he died quite young he got killed I always wondered like the guy if you read the gar he's suffering kamo JC I'm talking about yeah he's suffering shen kamo right now in the next world I always think about like he didn't really get much of maza either you know what I'm saying he had a seven to tell me demon whatever seven He became big after 100 years, 200 years when this dude Paul came around and decided to to throw his body into the river and decide then then pretend that he's not there anymore, right? Like he never he didn't get he didn't get but poor guy suffered. I'm not saying poor guy, but he got he got it all. He got the whole book because he did both. He lost this world and he lost the next world. He died young and he's an example. I don't care about him. I'm just saying for the next world also that also the person suffers and here he gets perfect he doesn't get turned into under the he gets you heard this expression used to say this a lot right finishes he's still suffering this guy suffers for like the Russia from 70 years ago right the tyrant from 70 years ago right same type of idea they ever they never they never finish this in the words of yeah it's worse it's the worst type of constant forever but when we speak about I'm going to give you a few stories about these types of things you know but when a person suffers you know the famous line of the it's easier to die on keshm what the Arabs do it's a lot easier to die for km they just blow themselves up and finish they don't feel anymore two seconds and okay hurts for a couple seconds and that's it they don't feel anything it's easier to die than to live on keshm that's much harder. The katskar was always very straight. You know, people want to die on. No, live on kesm. Try to live. You have to do every day. Sometimes not easy. You have to you have to fast here. You have to do chuva here. You have to keep you have to resist things. You have to take a big deal. You lose a big deal of money. But do things on keshm not to steal in a certain place where I could have made a bundle. That that's living on kish. That's much higher level than dying on keshashem because you're still alive to feel it. It's painful. And how many weeks afterwards you say, "Wow, geez. $500,000. Wow. I don't know if that's a lot of money these days." Okay. $500 million maybe. Right. I'm saying that's that's where that's where the pain that's where the pain is considered much more of a pain. Okay. And that's for someone who's and under this category and this we're going to speak about next week already. We'll finish even in a half a share next week. I should be able to finish is under this category added all those people. These are all this category. The third category is we know the famous missions and the last parag categorizes 10 people. We'll summarize them very quickly. I just it's important that we should know who they are. in order to avoid it or to know where the problems are to be people don't realize to be anor is to be people don't realize people make fun of or to ridicule them or to say something sarcasm that's called aorus oh my gosh we're in third category you suddenly become into the third category here correct short life no my god you better be careful here right you have to be you better shut up you understand like it's good to know these things so a person realizes how dangerous these these phenomenons are okay so that like I said kazal added these 10 that goes under the category of the last karet and bleed will finish up just a few details about karet and we'll start even next week I think already with I got