Kabbolas Shabbos with Hadlokas Neiros - When, for who and Exceptions - Rabbi Nachum Scheiner

on a regular day if a person wants a d of early a person could even before night after the pl we're not going into the of DAV that's its own discussion but let's take an example tomorrow tomorrow Monday you're going to after the pl at 3:45 in the afternoon it's the is a that belongs to the if you d a of coming upah OFA starts Thursday night you d a Thursday afternoon you say the same thing is as a matter of fact the that you however even though you could before that doesn't mean that it's night already if somebody makes an early yump you could make an early yum but it doesn't mean that it's yum already that you could it's night that you can eat in the beginning discusses this concept you could but it's not y yet you can't sit in the Su you can't eat matah let's try to figure out shabas comes shabas a person when the shabas start the said the says so when does when does it start when does shabas start shabas starts By Night by Nightfall you don't know suff a person wants to bring on shabas early whether if it's because he wants to make a early shabas or even not an early chabas he wants to be M of shabas to bring on chabas early it's not going to help to just not do Mal you come to sh 20 minutes before and you just stop doing M you're not being ma shabas early but I left out a point I'm sorry so what's by shabas when you maab shabas early what's the together different than M when a person's shabas early it is shabas already that a person can eat the suit that a person can make KES Friday afternoon if a person makes early shabas the Mak is a gar we're not going into early shabas but the mus you can be M shabas already early and at shabas you can make kides how you Ma shabas how you Mak shabas you have to ma shabas if you're not ma shabas then it's not shabas you're sitting in sh 20 minutes before shabas and you're not doing it's not chabas and you can't make KES you need like says that we say we're in two places that because we say shabas is over there the shabas 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Mitzvah every mitvah that you do you make a so you make the first and after the you light I once you made the BR ready ma shabas the answer is the answer is you weren't ma shabas there's no cabal shabas with the BR that means I'm liing but I'm not being shabas yet when am I being shabas as we said with the that you shabas without saying anything with the that's the shabas the asked if you so a person you know you can like as many kids once you lit one a you already and if you how could you continue so for that says it's all considered like one big Mitzvah all the nearest is like one n even after the first you're still a middle doing the Mitzvah but once you finish lighting all the you have a Shas without saying anything without doing anything you finish Lighting near shabas is aabal shabas talk when meaning like after you light one before you light the second one that would be the same thing like it's part of the when you take if you if you talk before you have make a new if you speak out after you already did one there you you don't have to make another but you shouldn't talk till you finish the whole Mitzvah what' you say the V were going like what says you made the then you that's that's the that's the we're going to get to it we're going to get to it not like that but the make the and then you light and right after you finish lighting that's what the is from the from of the once you finish lighting NIS you shouldn't put out the match cuz a chabas already right when you finished you have to put down put down the match even that when you put it down don't drop it down in a way that when it falls down it'll go out right away because that's right there put it down carefully that'll it'll eventually it'll eventually go out so that's that when they finish lighting the candles they don't put out the fire they just put it down on the side why because with lighting when you finish all that Lo Snus these are [Music] Shas which that's a Min of most that you first light shabas you first light and then afterwards you make the BR why because we that with you first light and then you make the BR which a a says that Lady by mistake made the BR first she could light because it's for sure not even so much like what we'll see soon we'll get into tonai she could for sure light because as we mentioned before the she that holds when you make the BR not shabas only after the lighting it's for sure that when this lady made the BR she for sure did not mean to be ma shabas the other sheet is and see that you you first like and then you make a so we're familiar she covers her eyes she's not Ned from the when you make the on the on the that's going to come afterwards but what comes out this this is there any reason to be mocked not to put out the match the you little ordinar you could go and you could put out the match and then then afterwards and then afterwards you make the that's theas says what we do that we first light and then we make the so you light you could put out the match if you doll and after you put out the match you make the furthermore for further put out the match to show that you're not being ma shabas with the lighting you're being ma shabas already afterwards with the [Applause] bring doing something between the lighting and the BR so what would be what why would it be a problem of have sick you're breaking up the the BR to the so so very good what you're saying the closer and we'll see in a minute the sh is let understand the concept of what say so what is the what's the problem of between the and the mean you're lighting it then you're not in a hand you're making a why have to come here like this still those that are not to put out the fire even when they make the BR afterwards why why why should you not put out the why could you what's the not to put out the fire before the BR if you were shabas yet what say we'll get to Y can't put it out you can't put it out said what say oh very good so so first of all the Ben spells it out clearly the says taka that you light the nous then you put down the match you don't put it out and then after you make the so what's what's the very good like obser saying that's one ter it's brought in that will that with the itself that means very clear in the beginning we saw one that you make the BR and you light that's the cabal shabas the P you understand is it's the BR and the lighting both both the BR and the lighting after you made the BR and you lit now you shabas so if you're doing it the other way around first you're lighting and then you make a you should be able to put out the match the that with only with that itself you're already and therefore even if you only what we do you still a mo to be and not to put out the fire because with the with that itself is aab shabas what say if you go that so say like this over you have to come onto the that the that you cover your eyes that's but we're focusing that with itself you Mak shabas right you Ma shabas before after what is says without but let's say is later theah you have the later but the Caba could have been before the other terets like you're mentioning before that it's taka that it's a that it's a half sick it's a half sick what's what's the problem of he where making the on the mitz what you're covering and you being handle later what's the he what you say that you still someone forgot to make a so you could still make a because you still doing it so then later is can you talk me while she's lighting she do ready breaking everything up here unrelated unrated why not why not what's the problem of talking is what I mean she's in the middle of doing a MIT talking Weir she make the if you make the and then you talk so you're not supposed to talk the is later it's very this but it's if you have some people have what it call like a lighter a silver stick that you put a candle inside so that you can't put down that you have to put out you can just put it down that you have to put out so that's the Shila could you put out the match could you put out that long Candlestick what's the what that's the as brings we only only only by a lady that lights not men and the reason for that is because men go to they're going to be shabas anyways later so it's not aabas says to be to be even for men the doesn't say it only by ladies the says it across the board where the is and men also by men make a we'll get to T in a minute but for them they can be being being that though you mention that the a big by the way is only by P or it's by the other but it's CL not say that it's not by P it's not by even though lot to learn is not by and even though it's Shas you have shabas you have two which one comes first which one should come first say but it should be the opposite Shas should come first so why do we near first because if we're going to near sh and it'll be too late to light you light near himself speaks it out that's only if a lady needs to do both she should light first near but by a man as we saw it's not aabas so that's most of the cases if you have the wife is lighting shabas and the husband's Lighting near Kano you could do it the opposite though as we mentioned for the husband as well we make it tonight if you have a man that's lighting it's not a cabal shabas and he lit near shabas and he forgot to L light near Kan he goes and he lights afterwards near khaka very clear you have somebody forgot and he lit shabas you go afterwards you light Kaneka a lady that s shabas she does not go and S she could she could have somebody make a she can make a somebody to light her but she can't send anymore once she SED shabas she shabas can with you know I'll answer you with a chlorite that she could be cuz why is it worse off than she could go and she can make a it's worse if she wasas already she could ask somebody to light for her so she can't ask her husband worse no she already why CU you could always make a nothing to do with you're taking a flight and you can't lie you could ask somebody to light that's already get we talk but you could you could you can make a that's clearly clearly clearly clearly but what I want to point out the G of tonight she is that for the lady and if she lit already sh she cannot do late near she can ask somebody as opposed to a man if he lit near shabas he could still light near KH knew are you he I'll I'll I'll bring bring a ride to we'll get to it in a minute why do you say it's it's but what's the big a mistake okay so she'll ask somebody you can't make a I'm sorry you can't make a then maybe it's yeah the second wanted to go on tonai we'll see how much we could cover over here want end on time T see here's the thing when a person is ma sh he says he says I'm being Shas you can't make a it's not to make aabas without and could you make it tonight because it's only NE for the ladies because only when a lady lights but she should not make a only if he a what is a will get to but only if there's no should not make aight the one she lights is aabas as we mentioned before a man that lights will not for a man but even if you want to be he can make before going into what's this is a very important it's more relevant when making a early shabas but it's whether a lady is going to make a if or even a man that's lighting if he's going to light left an hour before shabas it's really not nicker that he's being mod that if you're lighting it right before shabas so that it's nicker so you can make aai a lady when a man even when you can make it tonight but if let's say you're lighting it making early shabas for example and you're lighting over there right after the pla so it's not nicker that El Li to get for shabas T is not going to help she make it tonai but somebody else has to be ma chabas with these nous so it should be nickered that it's being chabas what's considered a what's considered a so I think the most classical example I mean really an example would be is doing so these other people that could do the usually yeah once the wife the mother in their house was ma lit nous she shabas still the oven has to go on the oven has to go off you have to do this the light okay so somebody there's other people that could do it but a very NE case of CAS is once you you can't have anymore that's a discussion for itself I once gave a whole Shear on that it's a whole topic for itself but yeah it's a separate you cannot well we're not div we're not talking about a man we'll get to a man also we'll get to a man very good but a lady she it's 18 minutes before the and she wants to lie on to but she didn't have a yet so she wants to make it tonight that she's not being without she so the M but over here says clearly it's not called it how do I know the m says if she didn't have a she should have a twice why can't she make it tonight her say it's not a it's not a amongst others the and others say that it's called it's called she could make it if she didn't it's better she should before but if she didn't get before she can make a and after and then be ma shabas interesting the of theen says that it's only considered every day however says that if she every day then she doesn't even have to make a it's automatically that these a it's automatically she's not makas like somebody mentioned before what was the before we said that is that the a man if a man is a man sins left and if you want to be that if he didn't it's automatically it's not a that's one example ofai for another example would be going to the yeah it's very you're in your sh that's actually 40 minutes they right 40 minutes before the so this time you could have shabas you have you go to a taxi you go to the is that considered a in he says that it's considered a and I think quite a quite a lot of people are n like that the lady sins left she makes aai and then you take a tax you go to the it's not somebody me mentioned this before the year um it's a it's it's a discussion for itself it's not a gay and had Locus NYS but could be even going in a taxi if she doesn't open the door could be a sh may maybe that it's not even so that it'ser so maybe for that you could be another another example ofai that's considered a she wants to eat something so I didn't see clearly I saw that they they CL if it's considered you buy you know told they eat the it's going to be two and a half hours later is it a could she make a that she's not she could eat afterwards drinking drinking is a shil the speak about it that could be you could she could drink after cabal shabas before KES it's n hopefully it's not going to be n but it's n thisis falls out to be Friday so you go to and it's right away by and she wants to take a drink that's where would be what say drink no yeah nothing yeah yeah yeah nothing to do with it's not night the is not the night you know why you can't Al also something to do with the the is when the ready so it's shabas if you didn't so good no no it's clearly even by night that's by night also I'm going to double check on it one more nud over here when this I'm going to conclude is we said this is very important over here could you make aai so this is very even for a man for whatever A man is lighting helps for a lady if saying and you can't say you can't say on so that's clear with amongst other think ofman few a man he's lighting and then he wants to go he wants to drive to if he says the only eight is not to say what say a man doesn't say by what before I don't know a man doesn't say when maybe it's a she shouldn't answer that's a whole separate discussion a a man that's the same reason why don't say he say where would it even Bea it's n only for a lady interesting if they don't say it it's very interesting I hear if she's G to make aai she's lighting what say she should say it later I don't know one she's not saying one she didn't say it by she should already Listen by kdes but you shouldn't say it then just to conclude in the with this I'm I'm finishing as we just said that you don't make a you can't make a so the is if the first day of Kaneka shabas so when when do you like the first left air of shabas not this year it's THS it's Friday Thursday night Friday the first lighting is Thursday night but if the first night Y ofah is Friday night so how do you make sh the how do you make a how do you make says that that becomes when you make has to be that time so if a lady's that's for sure