Journey to Jerusalem: The Controversy of Where the Ben Ish Chai is Buried - Baghdad or Har Hazeisim

this tour class is brought to you by torahanytime.com hey welcome everyone so today is the uh versus Hashem is we hope to have this close to uh leave the United States of America and uh enter Eric's Israel through the main passageway which of course is Moscow and um we're going to be stopping over in Moscow and um Monday I hope to have this close to be on harjazim so I want to tell you something which really captured my attention and that is the life and we're going to discuss the Kura of the banishkai because I was very surprised to learn that I bought one of these forums that speak about the Kirby sadikim and one of my favorites it mentions the benesh it says is buried in her house and not only that there was a picture of his cover on her hazism so let me tell you what's so interesting about that okay so it goes like this on a Sunday the fifth day of yellow 5679 1909 did not live in Flatbush he did not live in Muncie he lived in bovill in Iraq and he lived in um he's called and he traveled to the Thomas who's not buried in Earth Israel he's buried in a village the village of kipli it's a small town on the Euphrates river and just to position it so you know what exactly what I'm talking about it's between najaf and al-hila so that just you know it gives you a more exact uh location if you if you wanted to know exactly where the camera was now it took him 17 hours to travel from Baghdad to the camera Navi and he took the fastest way that was available back then which was not Mercedes not uh Lexus but an ox Dron wagon okay it was a 17-hour journey fine after staying in kafli he traveled to gets which was a three-hour ride from the Tom and uh he was stricken with the illness that took his life okay early in the morning this is the third the uh we were on the fifth day of Ella we're now up to the eighth day of ello so Rabino Joseph on the 13th day of LL in the year 56.79 August 31st 1909 he returns his soul to the desert shomala you know tahara so his tamidim who accompanied him on the journey carried the sadiq's body to the city of al-hanaya it's a town in Iraq also on the Euphrates river and then they sent the telegram to Baghdad that review they sent the following message right as the plastic says so the news sent shockwaves throughout the Iraq Baghdad people were crying the rivers of Tears were flowing so they went uh the leaders sent out a commission to Al hanaya to bring his body to Baghdad fine so many prominent leaders accompany the coffin and they reached Baghdad on the 15th day of Ella okay got it two days later everybody came out to the uh lavaya to greet the banished coffin zakainim the canines thousands of goyam came to the levia thousands of goyam okay now an enormous crowd assembled to hear the husband of the talmud of do you want to know I want a picture of hermosis we have it over here okay anyway he looked like a big Saturday many other has paid them were given um women gathered privately to eulogize and there were rivers of Tears each day of the Avalos one of the leading were masked at him as is the custom when the greatest so the speakers were Chief Rabbi Israel the Great kabbalist shimonagasi now that's a very important name shimonagasi the author of imray shimane yeah the immigration gave a famous husband on the banishkai that I will read to you excerpts of and it will make your hair stand on end the kabbalistic revelations that he revealed about who the banishkai really was okay fine recorded the following incident that occurred when the banishkai passed away okay and I was able to find this in a safe era okay listen I'm reading to you now from the safer pre-8 Sagan from haham 's uh Jakob Cuts in okay what was that night remember okay what did I say happened on your gimmel so he died it's only passed away was sweeping was excuse me it was after he was learning he dozed off laniado who appears to him aniado who is he lived from 1876 to 1925 was an ancestor of Rabbi Rafal Shalom the author the current rosh hashiva of parat Yosef so the current of iship this is his uh Zeta okay listen to this so he has a vision who does he see who does this now I have to say this is not the vision of raviaco show Kasin this is where we actually records that the makubo rabba from Adas Adas this was his vision in the 13th day of Elo Tafe ramlaniado the father of Ramiro laniado the grandfather of Sheila milaniado fine he's wearing white foreign so from my dad said where you going basically in English where you going pal and vayana reviews I'm going to bury him in Jerusalem this is the dream ramadas who sees rabbi ramlaniado as recorded by rabiaco Cuts in fine Venezuela and then he woke up remember my last woke up she was an estimation as he fell asleep again they were bringing his body because Sarah basically what happened he fell asleep again he saw the beer of Rabino of the river a huge crowd had gathered rabbis were giving eulogies and he woke again and no one in the new shalim I mean he lives in your slime nobody heard that review died and nobody was that has a lion you shall I am he fell asleep again okay at this time no one you shall know about it he realized this was no regular dream this was some kind of nuvua he went to the Babylonian uh sages in Jerusalem did you hear anything about you know I had he didn't say I had a dream that passed away but you hear anything we know we heard he was sick the rabbi didn't say a word again in this dream what is he dreaming he's dreaming that they buried him where in Jerusalem what happened um a few hours later a telegram arrived in your shalayam from Babel Obama is uh passed away whenever from Adas heard the dream whenever others heard about this he said I just want you to know that yeah he passed away and I want you know he's buried here in an herization he said what are you talking about we just found out that he died no I had a dream he's buried on her house he said over his vision and not only that he said I want you to know um I'm going to tell you now which Rabbi should eulogize him because I saw my dream which rabbi's eulogized him uh this rabbit should eulogize him first and then after him another Rabbi um and they did that they did that they were massive in the way that took place without a body because the body apparently was already there foreign except in a dream so I ask you do you believe that the betenskai is buried on her haza that's the beginning of the story somebody had a dream about great mccobel had a dream that They Carried his body and apparently a new Shalom that was accepted not that they saw it being buried there but they followed the dream's order of hespedim okay we're just getting started now this is the next thing that happened are you gonna check it out first I'm gonna let you know you know I'll let you know exactly fine many decades later after the Venus had passed away now where is he buried what do you know where's he buried he's buried in Bothell nobody saw him move in fact um to my astonishment after I saw a picture of his cover on Harry's Asim I also found a picture of his cover in Baghdad over here now one interesting thing about burials is that you can only be buried in one place right you know believe me if there was a way to that a person needed took for him they would have a they would have things going on about that but they still have not figured out how to sell people to batik farm so meanwhile I see a cover of of the vanished high in Baghdad many decades after the reversal Khan passed away his remains were reintered by the Iraqi government there was a man there by the name of RAM shabtai who wrote The Following eyewitness account of when they moved the banishkai's cover in Baghdad in 5709 that's 1949 40 years after the banished High passed away the Iraqi government wanted to lay a road over the cemetery in Baghdad and they had to move many graves of uh Iraqi RAB on them including venusai so an Arab laborer came to unearth the beneschi he lifted his hand and he was paralyzed as he's about to you know reinter the better Sky he's paralyzed so he said you know go go to and tell them that uh you know I can't move so they spoke to the and they were told that there that only give rashes to move the grave if they show great respect and it's accompanied by prayers and supplications they gathered at their gravesite They begged first the Arab laborers began digging again with awe and respect and they were able to move the banishkai who by the way was buried in harrism 40 years earlier right and they removed rabino's body and lo and behold someone had changed his begot he was wearing fresh bugattam there's a miracle everyone so he was covered in fresh shrouds as if he would be buried an hour earlier and this this the new spread and it caused the Great khidash Hashem so so this is something very strange over here and that is if believed he was buried in harrism 40 years earlier then how did they find his body in Baghdad 40 years later how is he wearing fresh pagodam now here's another twist in the story the government gave the people three months to move the remains of the loved ones in the cemetery there to the new Cemetery in Baghdad before the old one was destroyed some sources say grandson secretly moved the banishkai's remains at that time others say that when they try to remove his grave it was empty because he had gone to shalayim 40 years earlier in any event if you go to the news some if you go to check out the map so the new Cemetery in Baghdad there is no sign that shows a grave forever and then it writes over here this is the book the biography of the banished listen to this I heard from a reliable source who requested to remain anonymous now I I always question any reliable source that requests to be anonymous he told the author that he knows exactly where the vanish guy is buried in Baghdad and one day he would like to bring him to so right now we have about four or five possibilities either when dreamed that he moved to Simon 1909 that he was buried in Islam 1909 or when they wanted to move his body 48 years later they found his goof and it was fresh or it was found empty or they moved him at 1949 or he's in the old Cemetery in Baghdad or he's in the new Cemetery in Baghdad so it's very confusing what would you say you would think if he was buried in Baghdad and nobody saw him move except for somebody had a dream that he moved it's hard to assume that he's buried on herization just because somebody had a dream that he moved there then he writes like this the question surrounding the banishkai's body or maybe soul that's another option maybe the bodies in Baghdad and the nishamasim remains a very controversial one and this really Shook Me Up the view of Yahoo the view of mccobo rabitzra kaduri the view of Binya binayahu shmueli is that in fact the benef icial moved how he moved who saw him move very unclear so my Rabbi said to me this was very difficult to understand how I mean just because somebody had a dream that he moved you know who said it what does that mean so let me tell you there's another dream that happened okay and this stream I saw in a book Legacy of leaders also by the same person who wrote the biography on the beneschi his name was um he um who's a descendant of the he uh he writes like this and he went to the cover of who on his way back to Baghdad in the village of guess on the 13th of ello he became ill and he died at the age of 77. his body was taken to Baghdad and the funeral was held the night of the 15th of Ella so he died your gimmel funeral was tested off ension another person okay had a dream on the next day now this is a different dream than rabbi ramadas he dreamed that one of the older members of the cover kadisha of Baghdad who came to shalayam became a Gravedigger in harazison so you're ready for this had a dream that one of the older baghdadi gravediggers who is now digging grandson on and harization visited him and he said I need to magidi who knows what magidi are Turkish coins okay I'm surprised nobody knows okay Robinson asked him why do you need money you're a beggar so what do you mean I just dug a grave that's how the fee I take so he said whose grave did you dig he's wondering whose grave I just buried the banished him thought the Old Man became um so he gave him the money in the dream but he was he was afraid maybe there's some truth to the words so he continued to ask him where did you bury the banished I hope you gave him a nice spot the gravedigger said of course rice right next to his uncle who died recently the righteous [Laughter] the gravedigger continued and said yesterday morning 20 men who belong to that sadiq's family I remember them from Iraq came to my house they told me that they have the body of the beneshkai and they said please dig him a grave next to his uncle so he could be buried but covered I did what they said I finished my labor and they said go to you revencion you're going to pay for it and then revencion woke up now most people if they have a dream that people are charging their money they call up the credit card company and they realize no it's just a nightmare but this revencion was shaken by the words in his dream he put on his coat he put on his belt followed the gravedigger to Harrison and so the fresh grave that buried next to his uncle and revencione's dream burst out into tears then ravincion awoke he remembered his dream and he never wanted a tanibani about it so again told the people um right after the patio but what was his name again revencion Hassan he had the dream that the gravedigger came to him demanding the fee and in the dream he went to the Malcolm and he paid him and then he woke up and he never told anyone about the dream he kept the dream a secret his whole life however in 1948 when the jordanians were coming into Jerusalem and they were they were about to take captive he said if I'm taking captive the dream will remain a secret forever so right before they kidnapped him he told the story to his friend that in fact that I had this dream that the benefici was buried on harazison so what are you gonna do with the story this story seems to uh indicate that in fact is also buried on her Hazard so there are two dreams about it but still he was seen to be buried in Baghdad and people are dreaming he's buried initial eye so let me tell you what it says on the cover of the banishkai in harazison listen to the lotion ready foreign okay had a dream that he was moved to harization and he asked for money is that that's not my dream he charged the grave the the gravedigger charge money because of to be buried next to his uncle Abdullah went to the cover and he saw a taco with his dog there and every year went here and he said Kadesh this is the very interesting controversy about the grave of qaham believe that today he was moved to harization doesn't mean his body was transferred his goof was transferred both I guess we'll never know for sure but that is the Missouri and this is that in fact the banishkai was transferred to Harrison and then one of the first things that would be uh Curious to ask is we're in fact were you buried that was just the first part of the uh Kura of the beneshkai but now let me share with you if you're still a little bit uh intrigued by this episode or the movement of the uh let me tell you about the hesbid that was given to the beneshkai by one of the great mccobelim um the mccobel's name I have the hespit over here um the Makoto's name is it's recorded in the safer Imran Shimon and he also makes mention of the fact that the beneshkai may have been moved this is a husband that he gave it's so one of the eulogized him during the week was who at that time was not a prominent figure in Baghdad he never spoke publicly in fact he never wanted to give a eulogy it's only because the banishkai came to him in a dream and told him to eulogize him that he agreed to eulogize him now very interesting pointed out that the one of the reasons he never spoke in public is because he was a major stutterer however when he delivered a eulogy for the banishkai he spoke flawlessly seamlessly and from then on and on he was cured for good okay and he writes his follows you ready for this this is he says the gemara tells us that how important it is at the time of his Patera even says anybody who is at the cavura and the Misa foreign the day that Robbie passed away a basketball came out and said anyone who was at Robbie zavaya is so there was a certain launderer who couldn't make it and he said all right guys it wasn't there that day was going to be with me and he jumped off the roof and then Basco said you okay you could also go to Omaha that's what the gemara says so says that this applies to anybody who is at the lavaya of the banishkai as well and he says how do I know that how do I know that anyone who's at the valley he says how you saw it I know that his nashama came from the kabbalistic sphere called isoid you know what the proof is his name was Joseph you know why because he was a girl he was the Go-Go of Joseph that the better sky was the show that had the same as yesterday which was and therefore we see that vanishes why that's and the proof is all of his foreign and Not only was Joseph from the side but rebbi reviewed that Nasi was also like the Ariza writes since they're all mishash just like anyone who's at rebe zavaya was anyone who's at the banished and what about all the people you now so now this is very interesting what about all the people who could have made the lavaya because the virus in the middle of the night many people thought would be during the day and they're very distressed by the fact that they missed it just like The Wanderer who was messed tired that he couldn't make rabbis so to these people now listen to this and in my opinion says comes from the same route of nashama and I'm going to be magala soy to you I'm going to be a highlight side why did Hashem make it that the banished should be passed away somewhere else to go breathe in the cold the cool air and the clear air because he wasn't healthy and then they had to bring him to Baghdad you know why the same thing happened to Reby that's what happened to Rebecca says Rebbie wasn't sipari but his Maka was in baisharam so look at this says look how Hashem turns to hashem's eyes are are always on those who fear Him what did what happened to revi just like what happened to rabies just like he was recuperating in khawa and he was buried in Baghdad that is exactly what happened to rebe and you'll say so why did that happen to rebe it all goes by the shirash who's the shireesh you're safe the same thing happened to Joseph Yosef is passes away and that's Ryan he's temporary in the time and then he's moved later on to Shem so this was the great um the great revelation of that the Venice was a root of none other than don't go anywhere was none other than the root of Joseph now he says something tremendous ly you um said another thing just like you subscribe just like when yesterday was thrown into a pit and he was saved so to the banishkai when he was a young boy drowned in a deep well and was also saved from the well what happened Bennett was very young he went outside to play with his sister he was uh playing near a deep well he lost his balance he fell in his sister came running to his mother you safe drowned Joseph drowned all the neighbors heard they came running and uh the mother stood off by the side weeping weeping the doctors worked on him um but basically what they did was they took a rope they let loose of the loose end of the Rope they took hold of the loose and the rope and they let somebody down into the pit the guy grabbed him and then they yanked out this you know lifeguard The Boy comes up he's not breathing doctors arrive the boy is unconscious doctors say it's all over but they didn't despair they was he was carried upstairs to the bed the father was saying to him the doctor is working fearlessly to treat the boy suddenly yoshif took a deep breath and he let out a cry and they couldn't believe it yay safe was alive the boy went back to sleep he woke in the morning he didn't remember anything the mother gave him a hot drink he looked as good as new from that moment and on he took another upon himself that if Hashem saved my life he's going to dedicate his entire life to Lima nature however the mokovo nagasi says this is also another proof that he had the same and they were both saved from the well and just like Joseph was also provided Torah to the entire world Hashem foreign you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com