Israel Uncensored: The Iran Files Heist

[Music] israel uncensored in the land of israel network at the land of israel.com it is sunday may the 6th 2018 the 21st of er5778 hope you're doing well in your part of the world always get in touch with me josh at the land of israel.com is my email on facebook it's joshua houston and on twitter and of course as usual a lot going on in the world of uh israel and news and uh we're gonna get right to it because um we're gonna have a very very special guest on the show he's been on before and who else to turn to with everything else going on here in israel and the middle east than other than dan dyker the project director program to counter political warfare at the jerusalem center for public affairs and he's been a guest on the last time he was on it was actually raining and it's still raining here in israel it's unbelievable it's may so wild unfortunately last week's show of course we dedicated the show if you missed it to the victims of that flash flood in southern israel and we'll have to ask rabbinical authority if the rain that is falling today in israel if it's a blessing or a curse i don't know last week it was certainly no blessing but we're going to get to the situation in iran so first of all i want to welcome dan dyker back to israel uncensored here on the land of israel network good to be back josh uh delighted to be on the show and hello to all the listeners land of israel network so we're going to get right to it last week the prime minister of israel delivered a presentation live in front of the world it was covered on all the major news networks he spoke in english talking about iran and how our intelligence our mossad somehow got hundreds and hundreds and thousands really of pages of information and you saw the cd-roms um documenting the uh the iranian nuclear program which existed at some point in recent history and we and after that i think it was a masterful performance by the prime minister whether you like him or don't like him i think he was truly in his element speaking in english to the world and after the fact pundits all over were questioning whether the prime minister actually introduced something new or if this was just old information he and he was re recycling it the jerusalem post today talks about european intelligence teams visiting israel this weekend examining the files that the prime minister displayed obtained by the mossad in the raid in tairan earlier this year with the documents talking about the development of nuclear weapons so my first question here to dan dyker is did in fact the prime minister introduced something new or as several if not many media outlets and pundits are insisting on saying that this is just old information and he's recycling it and the iranians are still upholding the letter of the 2015 agreement which is it is this new or is this recycled information well josh it really is new and uh in fact our listeners can um depend on the statements of the former deputy director of the international atomic energy agency ali hanoman who said very clearly this is a jackpot quote unquote uh what what is new is that the prime minister revealed uh that uh first of all the iranian regime has been lying outright for years that they didn't have a secret nuclear weapons development program which they have and that they were the intention of the iranian regime was actually to develop a very uh 5 10 kiloton nuclear weapons which is very which has not been revealed before uh and in in fact it was mike pom was a secretary of state pompeo mike pompeo who was the former head of the cia today secretary of state united states who said there is a lot of good and important new information that has been revealed there are a number of political reasons that people would accuse the prime minister of not revealing things that that are new and that basically comes down to what the uh debate in israel and it is a debate because this is israel uncensored your show and therefore it's our responsibility to share with with your listeners josh that there is a debate in israel over the tactics that the prime minister used prime minister benjamin netanyahu in order to reveal this new uh information in what in what is known as one of the most stunning intelligence operations uh since 1976 in the enteby raid uh on uganda to free those passengers now the the timing of the release of this information again you're right there is a debate whether you should have kept it quiet whether you should have released it to the world some are saying and many are saying that the timing is actually because of this deadline that the u.s and president donald trump have may 12th the deadline set by the administration to come up with either the fix the deal or nix the deal on the iranian agreement what will president trump do so number one some are saying that the prime minister actually revealed this information several months ago to president trump and now to the world just in time in order if in case president trump was wavering he's basically the armed prime minister is saying it's time to nix the deal and here's the proof and the proof is in the pudding now it's in your court um you subscribe to that that this is all about timing it very much is about timing prime minister netanyahu clearly wants to scuttle this deal israel uh israeli diplomats have uh have come up with the term nixit fix it or nix it regarding the uh jcpoa which according to consensus opinion josh in israel is a terrible agreement there are very few that believe it's a a solid agreement however there are two points of view on netanyahu's uh expose here one is that the prime minister should have done it um privately he should have gone to each one of the permanent five members of the security council of the united nations plus germany and presented this intelligence information um to them uh um individually that would have given them more room in a little bit more wiggle room in order to perhaps stake out a position against iran that would uh be more comfortable for each one of the members of the security council plus germany what and then there's another position that says no the the prime minister's theatrical performance uh you know ripping curtains uh revealing in hollywood style uh all of these cds and all of these notebooks with the this damning evidence against the iranian regime's nuclear file is very important in order to maximize the embarrassment of the iranian regime publicly throughout the world at one particular time that's to embarrass them and to frighten them that the message being publicly that israel can get anywhere we can get any information at any time and you cannot lie um to the not only to the israeli people but to the world at large and then it was israel's he felt responsibility in order to basically set off a political uh nuclear bomb if you will uh that would uh rev you know reverberate uh throughout the world at the same time here the j post reports that a an official from russia out of moscow is threatening that if in fact president trump mixes the deal moscow and tehran will grow even closer that you know of course we know that the russians are now embedded in the conflict in syria siding with the assad regime in that country in that conflict which has claimed over half a million lives over the last several years so according to this russian official warning on saturday reported by the j post should president trump take action nix the deal russia is threatening well you're only going to draw us closer to the iranians if you can comment on that and and if you can maybe comment also on what you think the president may or may not do as a result of this threat i mean he seems like he's not one to take threats and he's more of the one usually doing the threatening what's your take on the russians as vis-a-vis this uh this threat that they just issued to the president well the the russians have a very serious terror problem at home there are thousands of terror operatives sunni terror operatives in the moscow area alone and therefore the the russian uh federation headed by vladimir putin has put all of its eggs in the shiite basket in order to keep its sunni terror operatives in its own home at bay it's a very risky it's a very risky strategy and in fact there is a lot of pressure coming uh upon uh president donald j trump from iran itself in the last hours um before this uh before our discussion here on land of israel uh network uh josh and that is that um there you know the iranians and in a in a sense the russians are are basically warning against all-out chaos if the united states scuttles the deal which the united states and israel both generally are in favor of because the jcpa is such a dangerous deal is such a dangerous arrangement because it actually legitimizes uh iran and and it basically protects iran in a certain way as it continues to develop ballistic missile systems as it continues to to develop ways of of retrofitting a nuclear warhead on on these uh on these missiles and as a way of giving them sort of a 10-year countdown to an internationally sanctioned nuclear military program now uh the other way of looking at the at this is that if and this is israel this is really largely the prime minister's position that that to nix the deal would mean to ratchet up the sanctions on uh on the iranian regime and to cause a spiral a downward spiral of the iranian currency the real now if you look at uh the current the iranian currency has already began to spiral downwards um out of control and the the prime minister and many in israel believe that the iranian people who are are mostly western oriented uh people who hate the regime will once again for the third time in recent memory operate and and attempt to overthrow uh or or certainly to demonstrate with great uh a great sense of of energy uh and direction against the regime this is the this is the hope uh that that ratcheting up sanctions once again will put the iranian regime in an impossible position uh and and lead to an outcome that is more favorable uh to to israel's demand to end uh to really to put a full stop the the iranians of course are are threatening war and therefore this creates a lot of fear especially among the european nations that are that are really um moving and militating towards a trying to keep the deal in place as foreign british foreign secretary boris johnson has actually come to the united states in an attempt to convince president trump to keep the deal in place following emmanuel macron president of france's efforts to do the same so it's a very very high risk game uh josh one way or the other i'm glad you brought that up uh mentioning the the british and the french as well because at the same time you have someone who is not in a position of power he's not part of the us administration former secretary of state john kerry reported in the bill and the boston globe his hometown paper uh over the weekend claiming that kerry himself has been meeting um on his own with the iranians with foreign minister zarif which according to some would actually be illegal against the law because he does not hold a position of power he's acting against the current position of the us administration and i mean he is a a has been and i have no problem saying that and calling him out for all the years of mistreatment against israel in my opinion but here you have the former secretary of state thinking he's sticking his nose into this iranian situation perhaps illegally and meeting with the iranians and trying to keep this agreement going what can you say from what you've heard about the moves by former former secretary of state kerry in regard to his uh sticking his nose where it doesn't belong in the current administration's business well the first problem with uh former secretary kerry is that he is doing exactly what uh jared uh kushner is being accused of in in the uh interim period between donald trump's victory uh november 4th uh 2016 and then when he took office in january 17 which was to engage foreign powers uh and essentially as you put it intervening directly in the affairs of the united states on behalf of the united states um you know he can he can claim that he's acting only as an individual but he's meeting with official you know with officials of the iranian regime it's very very problematic obviously secretary kerry who negotiated a terrible deal very dave very dangerous deal for the west is trying to save his own uh what's left of his own professional honor uh you know as a as a former uh diplomat uh um and and it's it's just extremely extremely problematic uh what he's doing and this is exactly by the way what creates a weaker western response is when you have this type of of split of chasm and you have the you know former i don't even remember a time actually where former senior officials would actually interfere with the current uh us government in trying to uh interfe you know intervene in with with what is essentially the world's number one supporter and director of international terrorism as mr kerry has done but anyway there's no there there are no surprises we shouldn't be surprised uh uh you know that these things are taking place yeah i'll never forget when the john kerry was secretary of state when israel was fighting in gaza in 2014 and he was miked up ready to do an interview and he didn't realize that he was actually being recorded and he was criticizing essentially the israelis how he kept saying yeah it's a pinpoint operation in gaza at the pinpoint operation and we all know uh what great length the idf in israel goes to to avoid civilian casualties much more so even than even the united states and you can ask colonel richard kemp former uh british uh commander in afghanistan how he knows for you know that the idf is the most humane and moral army in in the world and how israel always keeps division casualties to a minimum i'll never forget that tv interview or that you know that uh mistake that he made without knowing that he was being recorded in 2014 but speaking of gaza at the same time all this is going on we know iran has tentacles throughout the middle east as our government often says whether it's through hezbollah in the north um via syria and lebanon but also iran being a backer of hamas down in gaza and we've seen now i think it's the fifth week in a row we have these so-called protesters i call them terrorists who have been trying to infiltrate the border between gaza and israel at the same time they're flying these firebomb kites over into our territory causing fires in the fields they're also trying to themselves infiltrate cross into the border and we all know that israeli communities border communities on gaza could be in serious serious threat i'm talking about god forbid attacks could be happening you know if the idf would go home there would be attacks against israeli civilians women and children in these communities so the idf has been responding accordingly for the last five fridays in a row and i think there's going to be another one this week and this is another tentacle of iran i want i want you to comment now on the situation we've been focusing on iran directly but on this tentacle that they have down in southern israel in gaza actually it's very important josh that you mentioned that the gaza situation is uh reflects another tentacle of iran it's very much that most reporting and analysis has uh has missed this strategic point but in fact this the what is happening in gaza which is a combination of political warfare of non-military warfare combined with terrorism um at the uh you know at the uh at the doors of the hamas is very much the brainchild of qasim suleimani who is the commander the iranian commander of the kutz force which is in charge of all of their foreign terror operations and according to according to reports qasim suleimani met with the hamas leadership of in november and december and prepared them for this combination of political warfare and actual terrorism uh because the the thinking was after three failed attempts to um you know to overcome the israeli defense forces in gaza i mean 2009 10 2012 2014 the the iranians were telling their uh essentially uh their beneficiaries uh in gaza the hamas that they have to develop a new strategy which is a combination of this political warfare in order to to re-engage the international community to draw sympathy from the international community under the guise of some sort of innocent a peaceful protest i don't know who can possibly imagine peaceful process of bringing tens of thousands of people to try to storm a border fence but at the same time they're they're actually outing presenting posters oversized posters of mahatma gandhi and nelson mandela and martin luther king in order to try to make their point of a peaceful peaceful declaration and to try to convince the international community that they're trying to get out of a situation of of acute uh economic attack and poverty and so on went into when in fact the whole substructure of their protest is the return of palestinians in into israel when they have their own de facto country state which is called the gaza strip that's what oslo the oslo peace process was all about so what they're doing is destroying oslo but they're getting credit for being some sort of peaceful uh purveyors of of peaceful a protest which is absolute absolute nonsense but it shows you the the effectiveness in today's world of high technology and social networks that terror organizations can sort of refashion themselves and and hide themselves behind black smoke and try to convince the world that that they are engaging in peaceful protest and actually draw israeli fire by sending children and women to the front lines paying them to sacrifice their lives and try to breach at the same time the security defense it's a very problematic um it's a hybrid type of terrorism hybrid warfare that israel is having to deal with on the southern front but it is very much the brainchild of the iranian regime yeah they're so impoverished that over the weekend they destroyed the border crossing i think it was karim shalom the border crossing where israel supplies gaza with 550 trucks a day 550 trucks a day of humanitarian goods and aid and yet these characters uh you know i'm laughing now but uh terrorists uh decided that they're gonna destroy the point of entry there um where israel's supplying the maid in my opinion i think that uh israel should uh close off that area i mean eventually i think israel should re-establish gujarati if my listeners know that but in the interim i would say shut it off entirely they're obviously unappreciative we've seen time and time again they've tried to smuggle in weapons uh and using the materials israel provides them for humanitarian purposes and hamas diverting those to build their terror tunnels and their rockets i say just shut them down once and for all and stop with this aid because it's not in my opinion it's not winning over world opinion no matter how many trucks we send over there let them count on the egyptians rely on the egyptians for their health and their humanitarian needs and just completely shut them off it you know the media is as you mentioned you know down in gaza the media is falling for the situation where they're comparing themselves to martin luther king and then i saw them they're painting themselves blue they look like a bunch of smurfs or the blue man group i said uh but they painted their faces blue like avatar all these types of references to you know as if they were the underdogs and they were they were the ones who really were being oppressed and whatnot i say just shut the gates and say bye bye and not deal with them anymore and as the idf is doing and please god protect our soldiers continue to do so you know you cross a border you come within 300 meters whatever the idf says you're going to get a bullet and that's the way that it what's the way it would be in any other country in the world and should be the same for israel and we shouldn't have to worry about unfortunately we are but we we should have to worry about this world condemnation against us because they're turning against us even with the trucks of aid and even with everything we're doing shooting people in the legs to minimize casualties it's not helping i say to shut them off once and for all i mean what what would you do in this situation i think shutting them when we say shut them off we mean close the border oh absolutely that is what uh israel was to have done in back in 2005 when israel pulled out unilaterally from um the gush katief area and the rest of uh you know and the we had uh northern gaza we had 21 we had 21 jewish communities in got in in the gaza strip and we uh obviously forcefully pulled 10 000 uh tax-paying citizens out of gaza and all of our military installations out of gaza the mistake that we made josh that you're pointing to now is that we continued to agree we agreed to continue supplying infrastructure utilities electricity water uh and and other uh basic uh forms of assistance to the gaza strip when in fact israel should have pulled out completely and shut all of the uh supply lines into gaza because in one sense we're forced to supply we're we're forced to supply gaza for humanitarian reasons with all these this infrastructure and utilities at the same time we get no credit for it in fact they're using it against us when we when we unilaterally pulled out and and destroyed the lives of 10 000 people for the sake of of security for the sake of peace so it's a it's a major problem and i think your suggestion is the right one to if they want to be independent which they say they do and they want nothing to do with israel and they kill israelis and they boycott israelis so then they don't get water and they don't get electricity they get nothing yeah no i agree i mean in my opinion i think we're being too humane because if we're willing to take that risk when turning over aid to hamas essentially or mon or money and or supplies and materials which are going to end up in hamas hands knowing that they're going to use them against our population centers and we promote the fact that we turn over all these trucks we're a truck's worth of of goods i i don't think that's humane at all because we're putting our own people at risk i think it's taking a big big chance and i think we should shut the border um we're nearly out of time here um this is a pretty historic week coming up um in the next uh 10 days or so i mean we have the us embassy moving from tel aviv to jerusalem the big ceremony next week i think guatemala already essentially moved their embassy and we still have hamas saying i think that this friday this coming friday if not the next one who can keep track with all their threats and and whatnot is going to be supposed to be the huge what they call the nakba supposed to be a huge protest what do you think is going to is going to happen i know you're not you can't you know you're not a prophet as great as your analysis has been today dan you're not a prophet but we are going to have these major events may 14th in the anniversary on the english calendar of the establishment of the state of israel what they call the nakba and the embassy moving and perhaps another week or two of protests along the gaza border what can we expect in the country other than this crazy rain we're having you know what else do you see going on and uh uh and then afterwards unfortunately we're nearly out of time it's a very historic month the month of may uh israel uh on the gregorian calendar israel independence day we have probably the president of the united states will be coming to uh personally oversee the move of the american embassy uh to jerusalem from tel aviv uh on senior american officials then we have the next day what they call nakba day which is the day of the pe of what the arabs call the disaster the catastrophe meaning uh i'm not quite sure what they're what they're crying about because the the arabs that live in israel with israeli citizenship are actually uh the the most privileged and prosperous profitable community in the entire middle east in the entire arab middle east uh so actually uh the the arabs have only done well those who live in the palestinian authority actually do a lot better than than the those arabs in in any other arab country around the world except for some of the gulf states uh so they there really should be it should shouldn't be called the catastrophe uh you know it should be called a celebration of success um but but so we have that event uh and uh oh my goodness gracious uh all kinds of uh protests uh that are planned it's a it's a big we have the yum yusha line we have jerusalem day coming up just around the corner so it's a big big month uh for the state of israel but at then again josh as our friends know in the united states israel is was was born uh having to defend itself in conflict that is just the name of the game that's what we have to live with and and we'll continue to celebrate on the one hand and defend ourselves in the other yeah it's pretty much been the same for the last 70 years and it's been the same for the last i don't know 100 years we talk about our enemies desire to annihilate us and throw us into the sea it's been their stated goal nothing has really changed but we're going to go on here uh wherever you are in the country and enjoy ourselves on jerusalem day and watch because not too many people were invited apparently to the ceremony when the u.s is moving their embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem truly historic times and we'll definitely want to have you back on the show dan to keep us abreast of everything going on here in israel in the middle east dan dyker project director the program to counter political warfare at the jcpa jerusalem center for public affairs it's always an honor to have you on the program uh yom yerushalayim samaya have a wonderful jerusalem day they we liberated that city and the rest of judea samaria the golan and all the other areas which are now part of the modern miracle which is the state of israel glad to have you on the show thanks so much thank you very much josh terrific and uh just make sure that if you want to comment on today's program feel free josh at the land of israel.com is my email joshua hastin on facebook josh haston on twitter and if you missed any part of the show you can always catch us on soundcloud itunes you can always go back to the land of israel.com and see previous shows and listen to all the great shows from all the hosts here on the land of this world network signing off happy jerusalem day from a rainy unbelievably rainy gushitsy on israel i'm josh haston when uh most importantly when most most importantly 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