Israel Uncensored: Shut Down UNRWA

ah hastened here Israel uncensored on the Land of Israel network at the Land of Israel calm it is Monday the 3rd of September 2018 the 23rd of lol 5 7 7 8 thanks so much for joining us here on the land of Israel Network get in touch with me during the week Josh at the Land of Israel Tom on Facebook at Joshua hastin and on Twitter at Josh Easton we have a great show for you here today and very special guest is on the line right now dr. a not wilf he's a leading intellectual and thinker on matters of foreign policy economics education and Israel and the Jewish people he's also a former member of Knesset with both the Labour and independence parties she's also a well respected author her new book is called telling our story recent essays on Zionism the Middle East and the path to peace dr. wolf thanks so much it's an honor to have you here on the show my pleasure thank you I have been following your Twitter account over the last couple of weeks you've been extremely busy the US State Department over the weekend released a statement and you've been commenting on it at the administration it says here in the statement has carefully reviewed the issue and determined that the US will not make additional contributions to Unruh that's the UN relief and Works Agency for the those Arabs the Arab refugees here in the near East those who left Israel in 1948 what is your reaction first of all to the US administration's new policy that it will not contribute any more funds to Unruh this is an incredibly important beginning to could ultimately lead us to peace because no American administration has ever dared touch the core issue of the conflict and this is the court issued the conflict it's not about the territory the settlement the borders the occupation and not even Jerusalem the core issue is what the Palestinians called the right of return but there is actually no such right but it is their demand which is in effect was created and conceived at the end of the war in 1949 as a continuation of the war by other means the idea was that basically the Arabs have failed in preventing Jewish emigration in the previous half-century they failed in preventing partition at the UN General Assembly and they were defeated in the war to prevent partition in the birth of the State of Israel but from their perspective all these defeats were not the end of the story as far they were concerned the war the war against Zionism was not over and one of the main issues they main means in which to project to the idea that the war is not over was to keep the Arab refugees those who fled as a result of the war in an infinite situation of limbo where they continued to be registered as refugees by this organization called onra in the expectation that one day Israel disappear will disappear and they can so-called take back Palestine from the river to the sea the United States has been the number one funder of this organization for over 70 years thinking that even if it doesn't do too much good it can't do too much harm which was a terrible mistake it has been I would argue the number one harmful organization because this is the organization that has kept alive for the Palestinians the idea that Israel and Zionism is temporary and worse it has led them to believe that they are not alone in their demand that Israel be undone it's one thing to want it you know everyone wants things it's a completely different thing to think that the world is with you in that want in that demand and this is what onre and Ameri capade for Andra day and in America ceasing to pay for honor it's actually sending the message of enough is enough so I agree completely I think this is the right step by the US administration at this juncture and I agree with you completely that they are just perpetuating the conflict they have been doing this for 70 years unruhe but I read the other day and this is what disturbs me I read unnamed high ranking IDF officials saying that defunding Unruh is a mistake it'll cause unrest and again they're not really revealing their names here so I can't tell you exactly who said it and I you know almost fell over my in my chair there that this actually came from IDF top ranked IDF officials supposedly what is your reaction to Israel or at least some officials in Israel saying that the u.s. aired in defunding Unruh so this is a long-standing policy of the defense establishment it was a policy established essentially 1967 immediately after the six-day war which was the first time that Israel came to control territories were unrelated in the West Bank and Gaza before 67 these were outside Israel borders and then and the view at the time was who knows what the future of the territories will be if in the meantime we have an organization that provides schooling and health care let it be and this let it be view continued for 50 years governments of the right government of the left it is a constant and the view of the defense establishment was one really of inertia that says let's not touch it the people go to school they get health care let's not touch it not only did they not say not touch it they actively prevented any effort by members of Congress at the time under Hartford with the Canadian government to defund the organization for decades Israel has been the number one lobbyist for Unruh as crazy as it sounds that sounds crazy to me yes and it is it does come from inertia and the book that I wrote with the dish warts in Hebrew it's called the war for return the reason we wrote it in Hebrew is we wanted to open for public criticism in Israel this position of the defense establishment and we wanted to say look maybe it buys us short time quiet even that's a question but but it's but but the price is long-term conflict so we need to discuss this price as a public a citizen's and I think after 50 years the time has come to say that the price we paid for the so-called long-term quiet that Unruh buys us has been way too high a price and it's time to immerse it and to realize that on Razak do good in the Middle East they're not a moderating force and in fact they are the most radical force because they keep for a population which by now numbers 5.3 million the idea that they should persist in their struggle in their armed struggle against Israel because Israel is temporary you recorded I believe actually somebody recorded a video of you speaking on this subject recently and you were explaining in the video why it makes zero sense for UNRWA Unruh to operate specifically in areas governed by the Palestinian Authority you mentioned Ramallah explained this to the listeners if you can why it makes no sense for somebody who was born in Ramallah today to automatically fall under the auspices of Unruh so on Iran has five areas of operation Gaza West Bank Jordan Syria and Lebanon and we need to understand that in those areas of operation the vast majority of those that under registers as refugees are not refugees by any international standard in Jordan there are 2.2 million that's 40% of the total who are citizen nowhere in the world are citizens also allowed to be considered refugees in the West Bank they certainly by their accounting and one might say by much of the world they live in Palestine so what you have is people living in Ramallah it by their accounting and Palestine under the governance of the Palestinian Authority and they are allowed to be registered as refugees by onra and it should be noted seventy-five percent of those as Magister these refugees by honour and the West Bank don't even live in refugee camps and even the word camps is wrong it's by now neighborhoods that look like other neighborhoods they don't live there they are middle class lawyers living in Ramallah their parents were born in Ramallah they were born in Ramallah they were never displaced by war and yet they are registered by an agency that has the words you and in it as refugees from Palestine now the person who supports two states such as myself such as much of the diplomatic community will say well what Palestine exactly are they refugees from if they were born in Ramallah and lived there in their entire lives well for the Palestinians the answer is clear it's the Palestine from the river to the sea then we'll one day supersede Israel but this is not something that the international community should condone and certainly not supports diplomatically and financially and I'm glad you mentioned the it's actually propaganda used by Unruh and by the Palestinian Authority those calling for the so-called right of return when they mentioned camps I mean that automatically creates an image in your mind when talking people talking about refugee camps it's extremely important that people understand what you said that we're talking about as you mentioned middle-class neighborhoods these are neighborhoods these aren't they cannot be compared god forbid to you know any type of labor camps or even concentration camps but that perception unfortunately is in people's minds what if Arab countries step in for the US and continue to fund Unruh I think they just carried out some kind of major fundraising drive I mean at the end of the day with the u.s. pulling out their funding if the Arabs step in will they in fact be able to replace the US as a serious funder or will under us still be hurt which deservingly so as a result of the u.s. pulling out their funding so let me make come back because this is a core view of theirs which is that unruhe and the Arab refugees is not their business in their view they have already given too much they have never given money but in their view the fact that they fought the fact that you know the they are citizens of Jordan they live in Syria Lebanon countries are concerned this is not their business an interesting anecdote is that when honor was established it was going to be called riwa our AWA and yet the Arab countries insisted that the word that the letters U n be in the name of the new agency because they wanted a clear message to be sent but they have nothing to do with this problem that it is the UN that created Israel and the UN is responsible for the Arab refugees and it's not their business they're innocent by standards the fact that they invaded the fact that they opened war of annihilation that's conveniently forgotten so the issue is that we shouldn't leave this about questions of money on Raw tomorrow morning with the three quarters or two thirds of the budget could continue operating it's a bloated organization and much of it is fake so it can continue operating the issue is not the money the issue is that ultimately this organization should not exist and we need to use this opportunity to basically engage in a global campaign that first demonstrates that there is no there are no Palestinian refugees there are at best twenty thirty thousand which is a fraction of a percent of what the fraction of the percent of what unruhe registers and we should also make it clear that there is no right of return that it does not exist that there is no such thing in international law when there are refugees within a few years if the fighting is over and they can return home that's wonderful but if they can't regardless of the reason the United Nation High Commissioner for Refugees the agency that deals with all the other refugees it doesn't care who started who's responsible what's just within a few years if refugees cannot return to their homes it finds them other solutions which are considered equally legitimate there's no question of right there is no right of return and even resolution 194 which the Palestinians uphold does not grant a right of return and they conveniently forget that they also rejected the resolution at the time because they feared it meant recognizing Israel so there is no such thing as a right of return in any refugee situation and even not in the Palestinian situation so we need to use the current step taken by the American administration to begin a global campaign to up end 70 years of Palestinian and Arab and Soviet propaganda to make it clear that there are barely no era no pal Tynan refugees and that there is no right of return that is the narrative that has to become dominant and I agree with you 100% and people when you put it into context here just as an example Israel when Israel was established in 1948 Israel took in all of the Jewish refugees 800,000 plus from all of the neighboring Arab and Muslim countries who were thrown out Israel took them in resettle them yet unruhe continues to perpetuate this conflict keeping these people as pawns on the front lines inciting against Israel in their textbooks I mean this is a horrible organization and I agree with you completely this organization as you said should not exist that we are nearly out of time dr. a not will but I want you to be able to let the audience know how they can get a copy of your latest book telling our story recent essays on Zionism the Middle East and the path to peace how can people get a copy and download a free PDF copy or they can there's a link there for the kindle version or if they want to print on demand it's on Amazon and it really has much of what we talked about and many many other essays that discuss Israel's ein ISM understanding the importance of properly telling our story because I believe the path to peace comes from properly telling the story of Zionism and the region in the world properly understanding it I want to thank you for your taint your time today and your amazing insight on the situation and it's really a pleasure to have you on the show dr. Einat wolf former member of Knesset and leading intellectual and thinker here in Israel on many topics specifically especially rather Israel and the Jewish people I thank you for your time have a wonderful day shana tova all the best and keep up this important work on sharing the truth on Unruh and all the other things here in israel thanks so much shinato brass thank you not to buy we are gonna take a break right now Josh hastin here Israel uncensored on the Land of Israel Network at the land of israel calm you can get touching me during the week Josh at the Land of Israel calm is my email thanks keep sending those emails on Facebook that's Joshua hastin on Twitter a draw Jason short break and be back with the news don't go anywhere it's much more real than any reality show it's much more dramatic than any drama it's much more funny than any comedy it's like a game show but it's no game it's our lives listen to inside Israel today with Phil Hoffman political correspondent for The Jerusalem Post every week on the land of Israel dot-com and we are back dog feasting here is no intention on the Land of Israel never got that Land of Israel calm it is experienced in Denver 2018 the 23rd of lol Rosh Hashanah next week I will not be on the air next week I will be in the synagogue praying and praying and eating and doing a lot of fun stuff for the Jewish New Year I'm here with my man man bin you mean brettski engineer extraordinaire without him there's no sound big thank you again to dr. Dana wolf I don't know if you realize you realize how brilliant she really is and you know we don't agree on every topic and that's okay I don't believe those might those listeners who know me I don't believe in a two-state solution dr. wolf said in the interview that she does but that's her opinion I have my opinion but we do find common ground especially on this unruhe issue and she said specifically that the this organization should not exist she's had a set it flat out and Unruh again just keeping people in limbo keeping people as pawns for 70 plus years you can go ahead and check out the press statement heather Neuer the department spokesperson at the US Department of State August 31st 2018 read how the u.s. is decided that they have reviewed the issue determined the US will not make additional contributions unruhe this is major major news and it's so disheartening when you have some random or unnamed senior IDF official who and if you read Carolyn clicks clicks column in the Friday J post about the generals in the IDF unfortunately again not speaking about the whole IDF as a whole and certainly not coming down on our soldiers who are protecting us 24/7 but read her column and understand I guess I would say that it's related in terms of that men mentality we know this is the Middle East we know you're sure that you have to show strength we know you have to be in in negotiations and in business and in anything to do with everything going on here in the region you have to be strong and you have to stop this incitement from Unruh if they take down that organization and their hate and their perpetuate the conflict get rid of Unruh I agree with dr. a not will if not those unnamed sources I'm sure many and the Israeli government are happy that the u.s. is defunding them and Israel needs to get on that bandwagon very soon in Toccoa yesterday switching gears reported by Israel national news and I heard some actually first-hand reports about this a terrorist was throwing rocks at a car near the Toccoa forest somehow he managed to infiltrate or somehow sneak into the community picked up a metal or an iron bar screaming Allahu Akbar and went on thank God it didn't succeed try to go on a rampage this happened as children were returning to school on September yesterday September the second the sirens went off in Toccoa in the middle of kids having their back-to-school ceremonies it was on people who are on lockdown in the neighborhood and they caught the guy this terrorists who had evil intentions thank God they were alert the security forces and others and again I heard first-hand accounts of people in Toccoa pretty frightening with so many kids out and about going to school that there was a inattentive heretic within the community speaking of terror the JTA reports that July saw a 15 percent rise in attacks in Israel based on information from the Shin Bet Israel's Internal Security Service the number of terrorist attacks here targeting Israelis in July increased by 15 percent Israeli security services documented 255 attacks including 11 Jerusalem this is actually JTA on the Times of Israel website in June there were 220 incidents so it's up a bit in May however there were 365 incidence document documented incidents of terror and I know just from living in Gush Etzion it seems and I know we've had different periods like this in the past it seems that the daily ROK attacks and firebomb attacks have increased in the last several days in the last week really I don't have those exact figures with Roc attacks but it just seems like these attempted lynches and rocket attacks and attempted murder that's really what it is are on the rise I mean these numbers confirm that but I just just based on the number of reports that I get each and every day on these attacks something is something's going on we have we've been having for about a hundred years peaks and valleys in terms of terror attacks unfortunately last month it's up and it seems I don't have we don't have the August numbers yet it seems that those numbers will be up as well so finishing on something extremely wonderful and positive here in the state of Israel 2.3 million Israeli kids are back in school as the school year begins it's amazing to see who would have thought just seventy years ago that you would have 2.3 million Israeli children here in the Land of Israel going to school receiving a Jewish education learning about the history of Zionism the beauty of the Land of Israel the beauty of the Jewish people and all of their customs and rituals and traditions our customs and rituals and traditions 2.3 million Israeli kids in school I don't know even if 2,000 years ago I don't think you would have this many Israeli kids running around the streets of Jerusalem and - Tel Aviv and gush etzion and everywhere else and going to school and receiving and Jewish education here in the Jewish state of Israel so that's let's end on that positive note when I wish all the listeners out there who celebrate Rosh Hashanah a sonata Tova o Masuka a happy and sweet new year for all of our listeners here in the Land of Israel Network I want to extend that as well to all the other show hosts on the Land of Israel Network benjamine brettski engineer extraordinaire everyone involved in this project we call the Land of Israel Network so I'm grateful for the opportunity hope I hope that everyone has a meaningful Rosh Hashanah and we will speak again two days or a day and a half rather before Yom Kippur Shanah Tovah from a beautiful beautiful Monday here in Jerusalem the eternal capital of State of Israel and of course most importantly between now when we speak again in two weeks from now not next week two weeks for now everyone out there and the wonderful world of ours be safe by lunch alone confusion in Israel the question is why are the Jews there in the first place the Jewish people have been yearning to return to their ancient homeland for a long time they Yishai fleischer show to the voice of a new generation of pro-israel activist and there's only two kinds of minorities in the Middle East armed or unarmed inspiring minds to think differently that jihadism doesn't just attack Jews it attacks Christians and it mostly attacks Muslims inspiration spirituality and politics so first and foremost this country is here to defend Jewish people and to live in a sense estriol homeland listen to the esight fleischer show every week on the land of israel and that's worth at the Land of Israel dot-com