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Israel’s National Educators Aliyah Program Featured with Marc Rosenberg of NBN on JM in the AM
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Nachum Segal interviewed Marc Rosenberg, VP of Diaspora Partnerships at Nefesh B'Nefesh, about the launch of Israel's first National Educators Aliyah Program, an initiative being put forth by NBN in partnership with Israel's Ministry of Education and Ministry of Aliyah and Integration. Visit Nefesh B'Nefesh: https://www.nbn.org.il/ Email for more info: [email protected]
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JM the AM good morning. It's a Monday. I
told you it's a big day here at JM and
the AM. Any day when we have uh some
amazing guests joining us is a big day.
That's why almost every day here is a
big day. It was a pleasure seeing Mark
Rosenberg last week in Israel. He's of
course the vice president of diaspora
partnerships for our friends at Nephesh
Benffesh and Nefes Benffesh. Especially
as I said earlier, if you're a teacher,
make sure your ears are perked up for
this conversation.
Uh because honestly there's a um there's
a new initiative with Nefish Benefish in
terms of aliyah
that I never thought we would ever
discussed and I'll tell you what I mean
in a moment. Mark Rosenberg, a pleasure
to welcome you back to JM in the AM.
>> Good morning. Good morning.
>> Uh great to have you here, Mark. Great
seeing you last week in response to
Israel's growing teacher shortage.
And that's this is what I meant. I never
thought we'd ever use those words in
regard to Israel. There's a teacher
shortage. Nephes Nevish in partnership
with the Ministry of Education and
Ministry of Ali integration have
announced the launch of Israel's first
ever national educators aliyah program.
The initiative is designed to streamline
the aliyah professional integration of
qualified Jewish educators from North
America and connect them with teaching
opportunities across Israel. Mark, I'm
assuming this is not a shortage in the
limude cesh Judeaic studies area. I'm
assuming this is more of a teacher
shortage in the secular studies area.
Um, you're indeed correct that there's a
greater shortage in that especially in
teaching English. It's one of the
hottest areas that they are interested
in trying to recruit for. But there are
positions opening in limate coders as
well. And one of the big things that
Yes. One of the big things about this
initiative, there are so many different
factors that make it wonderful, is that
the way that people publicize these
positions is almost like it's so opaque
that someone in North America wouldn't
find out about it till they're already
here,
>> right?
>> So, it is it's nearly impossible to plan
as we always live the dream and plan the
dream to say, "Okay, I'm thinking it's
November. I'm thinking about coming next
summer. I'm an educator. I'm a teacher.
What schools are looking to hire?" They
know someone's retiring. they know
they're adding a class they come in.
It's nearly impossible to find that out
in like early enough in the year. U and
that's one of the many reasons we're
getting involved in this project.
>> And this is so number one just for the
information itself. The information is
so valuable because people who are
teachers in the education space would
love to have advanced notice as you just
mentioned of jobs that are available.
But again, and I'm sure you you
understand my perspective on this. If
there was one area that I never thought
there would be a shortage in Israel and
they have they'd have to reach to the
diaspora in order to fill some of those
spaces, it would be teaching. And sure
enough, here it is. Here's a new
initiative because there is in fact a
teacher shortage. And when you say uh
when you say for instance English
language teachers, I mean you're talking
about cuz I know there's a lot of you
know tutoring when it comes to English
as a second language. I know there's
always efforts by individual parents and
maybe even communities to try to shore
up their uh their own children's English
skills. But you're talking about formal
English classes in I assume elementary
and high schools throughout Israel.
>> Correct. And many many Israeli students
begin already in third grade teaching a
second language which is often English.
And there are not enough teachers for
that. I again my children were in a
school that had two two tracks. One is
English for Israelis and then English
for English speakers. There are not
enough there are not enough educators.
But I want to challenge you Nakam
because I'm sure about now it must be
almost 5 years ago when Nepes beneficed
its uh physicians program you would say
it's crazy that you know there's a
shortage of Jewish doctors in Israel and
one of the things that we have to
appreciate that there are almost 10
million people living in Israel. The
growth is really putting a challenge on
the system. Um and we have a lot of
everyone has kids here. So, it's one of
the things that's driving this is the
growth of Israel and also some of the
challenges of what it means to get into
the system and and to get to understand
your rights and the benefits that you
get as as as a teacher. So, we're trying
to combat both parts of it, make sure
that it's a smooth system and that the
proper the talent the talent comes in.
>> Mark Rosenberg is with us live from
Israel. So, and I I mean this seriously,
for those who are looking not only to
move to Israel, but to but to actually
make a real contribution to the future
of the state of Israel, the the medical
space, as you just alluded to, is a
great example of that. And I don't think
we need to go into any detail of how
people are affecting, you know, real
change and making a real contribution
when it comes to the field of medicine
in Israel. But you're saying and and it
certainly makes sense after your
presentation. You're saying that in the
educational teaching field, one can go
and make a major impact at this point.
>> Correct. Correct. But listen, it's hard.
I I'll share my personal experience. I
I'm a I'm a I used to be licensed. It
expired because I've been here so long.
I was a seventh grade English teacher in
Washington DC when when when I moved to
Israel. And my my vision was to to to to
enter in the system and continue in my
passion of teaching and also bring my
values and have an imprint on a
classroom and and a generation of
students. That was my idea. And for many
years I did like many OIM, I worked in
the gap year world. I worked with the
18-year-old students, the young boys,
the young women. It was it was a really
great experience. And then when I
decided to make that leap and say,
"Okay, I'm going to get a job in the
school system." I hit a big wall mainly
because I didn't think Ali was nephish
which was a time when you could now
everyone from North America comes but I
came and I couldn't understand how to
get my teaching license recognized I
couldn't have someone from from the
teachers union advocate for me or
explain to me and talk about my years of
teaching would account to to to raise my
salary so we're in we're we have
idealistic people people who come
educators do usually do it not to become
wealthy they understand that they are
going to share wealth with people,
wealth of knowledge and experience. So,
it's it's not about, you know, making a
lot of money, but there's a certain
basic level of understanding that you're
going to be able to get your credentials
recognized and you're going to be put in
a space that you can practice your craft
and be able to get, you know, your
rights to it. And this this program in
partnership with the Ministry of
Education, the Ministry of Aliyah are
saying that we are going to streamline
this process so someone can get their
teaching license recognized before they
make aliyah. there'll be there'll be
pushed opportunities and be able to
connect with schools and educators and
to say, "Okay, this is I'm moving to
this part of the country or this this
town. These are the positions that are
open and and so maybe there might not be
limited codish, but maybe I'll be able
to teach a history class or maybe I'll
teach English." be able to get people,
you know, prepared for the move in such
such a way that they understand how much
money they can earn, what's the
paperwork they need to bring and then
and and and how they can build their
career in a way that was always it was
always an obstacle course for so many
people that wanted to have a print
imprint and be able to enter in a
classroom and do what they they love to
do, which is teach children Torah and
teach uh teach people how to be good
good citizens
>> and especially when it comes to English,
math, and science. I mean everything as
you said earlier everything is really
open
>> at this point but those three are really
critical and those three the obviously
the licenses are taken very seriously.
Now, I don't know how it I just don't
remember from all the medex
conversations. I just don't remember if
there's an age limit or if there's a,
you know, forced retirement age, but
what if someone's 65 and they say to
themselves, you know, they're a teacher
and they've been an experienced teacher
for 30 years in the sciences here in the
United States, uh, and they want to go
to Israel and and do what you just
described and maybe spend 10 years doing
it. Are are the possibilities open to
them?
>> The possibilities are indeed open to
them. I I always I always say in general
it's the same advice I would give
someone who's 45 is they have to be able
to look at to see is this an environment
they're going to be able to practice
their craft into it and that's one of
the things about the Israeli school
system which is which is modernizing and
it's opening up and there are some great
principles that want the talent into the
class and they're going to say if this
is the teacher that I'm going to be able
to get and they might be able to get you
know special recognition say okay for
two years we'll be able to bring in this
person and then we'll have to deal with
retirement age and what we're going to
do but there is just an eagerness to
just like make the system better and
realizing that there are so many people
who want to come and they're just given
the the the Israeli know, oh, you need
to do this or they give the they're
given the runaround and we're ending
that. We're we're saying that for the
for the hundreds of people applying for
for like aliyah next year, we're going
to make it organized. We're going to be
able to have an event online and in
person so people can can just see see
what's really happening and see if this
is right for them and try and match them
up with the schools. It's not always
going to be perfect. It's it's it's the
same story with the doctors. Sometimes
there's a opening in the south and they
really want to live in the north or they
you know they have a home in but the job
opportunity is going to be in Ash. So
there's there are going to be people
that it's not going to work perfectly
for but we want we're open up
communication and we're opening up the
bureaucracy. Now, the the English
language uh courses, it's obvious, but
I'm assuming the majority of science and
math courses are not taught in English.
Uh what about the language barrier? What
would you say to the teachers who worry
about the language barrier?
>> So, so it's a great point. So, there are
there are uh courses that we're offering
for people to improve on their Hebrew.
Um it's it's definitely going to be
something that you're going to need to
work on if it's if you're going to be
teaching those subjects. Um, the same
things for someone who's teaching
Tanakh, they'd have to make sure that
their Hebrew is going to be sharp
enough. One thing that's really I I just
want to, you know, I believe that Israel
is a land of opportunities and aliyah
opens people up and therefore once I
have a I have a friend who's a Tanakh
teacher and he became an English
teacher, but he uses Tanakh all the time
in his English classes,
>> right? So there's there are ways that if
your passion is science and if your pass
it have to see that your passion your
skill set is teaching then you can
really teach anything and therefore
we're looking for an openness that
someone might start out as an English
teacher but they're going to be able to
grow in that and be able to move into
it. The system the the ministry of
education this these schools have been
very rigid about the licensing and very
rigid we don't you have to be here to do
it. We we we are just seeing an openness
to willingness to say, "Okay, again,
we're not compromising on everything,
but we're going to communicate. We're
going to we're going to try and organize
the principles to say, okay, how many
how many how many positions you have
opening?" And you also have some Israeli
schools that they're saying, "We we we
want modern Orthodox educators or we
this is a Kadi school. We're looking for
Karedi educators." and they're they're
they want to market it and we have a
great way to announce it and push it out
to these niche audiences so people can
get matched up and be the Shad Khan to
the schools and educators in in the most
efficient way possible.
>> We're talking about NEP, Israel's first
ever national educators aliyah program
designed to streamline alyan
professional integration of qualified
Jewish educators in North America and
connect them with teaching opportunities
across Israel. Has anybody in your uh in
your organization been assigned to lead
this effort yet or we haven't gotten to
that stage yet?
>> Um we have the strategic person who's
really been um working the phones and
the offices to do it, but we're uh we're
still uh working out some of the
technical details to make sure that
we're doing we're we've received a
beautiful amount of uh beautiful
response from people who have made
aliyah re Yep. from people who have made
alo recently saying this is needed. I'm
in the system and this is going to help
us more. Some people have volunteered to
be mentors. Um and other organizations
are saying this this this change is
happening and this is going to it's
going to energize it. I think there's
also something nakum that is that we
feel as as OIM that sometimes we can't
always raise our voices because we think
we should add something to the school
and the teachers have that influence
when they're inside the the faculty
meetings and there there's a nice
recognition that the more amount of OIN
teachers that come that come in then the
quality is also going to go up and it's
really exciting to see that and we saw
we saw that with the physicians as well
the hospitals really remarked that the
the quality of their hospitals went up
when these OI ale doctors brought their
personality and their skill sets as
well. So, it's it's really really
exciting to see how how organized it is
and strategically. Now, we're excited to
really bring it into action.
>> Should people use the general website uh
at this point or is there a special one
that's already been set up? What should
people do?
Um we are um we have we have a special
email that's set up and the idea or the
land we we ran so fast that the the
landing page was not ready um ready to
go yet because all you know we we we are
all about accuracy when it comes to
making sure that people are getting all
the information. I believe the email
address is mimol
nbn.org.io
More oim.
>> M O R
>> M O R I M L I M I would assume.
>> Yep. More OIM at MBN. And that's that's
where we're channeling all the all the
excitement and information and we're
we're going to have be having a series
of webinars and some newsletters that
are going to go out for people want to
follow this. It it's it's exciting
because like I I still introduce myself
Nakma as an educator when I meet people
right and there there there's there's a
skill set and passion that educators
have teachers educators formal informal
and there's just this barrier because
the Hebrew language and it's a it's a
system that's very different because
like most Jewish listeners to your
network are are sending their kids to a
private schools and here they're going
to think about sending their kids to a
religious public school here in Israel.
It's very very different. So to be able
to bring that that quality and and and
knowhow and and and passion is go is is
is is remarkable. We've seen schools
transform. We see communities transform
and it's just going to be something
that's going to help in the spread of
OIM to other communities because they're
going to be okay there's a great here's
a great school and I want to live near a
great school or these teachers are going
there. It's just going to be um
something a net positive for Israel.
Moreim olim means uh uh teachers who are
immigrating to Israel who are making
aliyah. Use that email address mim.nb
nbn.org.il
mimolnbn.org.il.
It's Nephesh for Nephesh with their
brand new first ever national educators
ali program. They are looking for
teachers from North America as Israel's
education system faces this shortage
particularly in the areas of English,
math, and science um to consider heading
to Israel and getting all the
information now in advance. You don't
have to wait till you get there. You
actually get everything in advance and
plan out your aliyah around uh your
profession, but in a new position, a new
job in the state of Israel. Mark
Rosenberg is vice president the diaspora
partnerships for Nefish Benefish. Mark,
I thank you for this. It's an amazing
initiative. I take this opportunity to
wish you a shout out to thanks so much
for joining us this morning.
>> To all your listeners and wish you a
year.
>> I appreciate that.
More coming up. You're listening to a
Monday morning edition of JM in the A.M.