Is There a Mitzvah To Live in Eretz Yisroel Today? {Daf Hashavua Iyun Sugya Kesuvos 110b}

progress okay good morning everyone how's everybody doing so theh had it that the gar that we learned yesterday was a gamar that's uh really relevant to thear said that someone who that one should try to live in AR even in a city that's mostly Gentile and not live in even if it's mostly Jewish because someone who lives in Earth it's like he has a god yesterday and this morning we explained how that applies to the mitz of Suka because in the Suka uh one sits in the shade of AES directly without any intermediary and the explanation of the gar that one who resides in is it's as if he has a God is because in there are intermediaries but is you deal with directly today we're going to speak about a very important animportant topic I pray that it's a and that is the Mitzvah of living in uh does that apply bis is that relevant bis um no it's not up yet let's see yeah you see the you see the uh gar okay we'll try to uh go through some of the main opinions over here and I I think this is very relevant to the ofus as we spoke out by sh yesterday that the Mitzvah of Suka is literally you're sitting in a microcosm of the Suka contains the borders of stands for and the Y so we're going to speak today about the MIT we know those who live in live long those who sit in the Suka are vou saf so let's try to delve a little bit into this uh Mitzvah the mishna said that one spouse could force the other spouse to go to now the simple reading of the mishna is that the reason why one spouse could force the other spouse to go to is is because there's a and to go to therefore one spouse could force the other spouse to go to is I would point out that I personally would not learn the mission this way for two reasons number one just because there's a Mitzvah and a to go to does that mean one spouse could force the other spouse to change their residence after all a only bezin could be Mitzvah could a spouse Force another spouse to fulfill a mitzvah so maybe you say well apparently yes but furthermore the mishna continues because the mishna says everyone could force one spouse could force another spouse to go to there's no Mitzvah the to live in so just like there's no Mitzvah in the T to live in and yet one spouse could force the other spouse to go toim why would we not uh say the same thing that maybe there's no s of live in but you could still one spouse could force the other spouse so this is what we would like to uh um understand today because actually in the gamarra the does say it's because of the what does come to include the says it comes to include that you could force inevita and according to the Gea that includes EV explicitly what's it coming to exclude that you could force a spouse to leave a nice home in a bad one in but what's in means if you have an that runs from we say save him we say sell him there we say sell him there why Vil and let him go is because of the dwelling in is now does that mean because of the Mitzvah of living in how did you learn when we spoke about what kind of EV is that talking about is that an i or is that an Kanani how did you understand that uh presumably it's an EV Kanani well if it's an EV Kanani is he to live like a woman if there's aah to would um so that's what we would like to discuss today the let's begin with the in it says you will take possession you will out of the land you will drive out the inhabitants of the land V because to you I gave the land to inherit says ran on this my opinion this is they're commanded they should live in the land and inherited is given to them and they shall not be despised with the inheritance of God if they would go and try to conquer Iraq or or Syria or a different land and settle there that would be a direct violation of God's command so we are being commanded according to ra with say that you should settle Israel and inherit it and not be despised with the inheritance of our forefathers that which the go to Great LS to speak about theah of living to leave it and they consider a woman who doesn't want to go with her husband to as a as rebellious so all of these statements that speak about the great mitzah to live in where does that come from here in this P we're commanded in this Mitzvah so yesterday we discussed are all these attributes of is that it's it's like you have a God and so on and so forth is that connected to the Mitzvah to live there or are they separate ideas the ran learns they are part and parcel of the all of the great accolades we say about someone who lives in it's comes it stems from this this repeated numerous times for example okay that's how the ran learns the ran learns that it's a MIT positive command to take possession of the land and live in it rash learns chase out its inh inhabitants then you will be successful living in it if you don't chase out its inhabitant then you will not be able to live in it which is a very frightening And Timely interpretation we according to rash the T saying either either chase out the inhabitants and you'll be successful in living there or you'll you could have them stay there but you're going to be miserable in isra that's what we see in our times but the ran says no in my opinion my interpretation is correct namely that this is the Mitzvah to take possession of the land of now the r and the counts this as a Mitzvah mitz the fourth mitz in the we should not forsake it don't forsake it to any other Nation or for desolation but God said the qu the problem though is the ramam does not list the Mitzvah of living in is one of the 613 Mitzvah why not why does r not listed so the m is one of the classic commentaries on the says the reason why the ra did not count it the to live in the land only existed so long as we were still in the land in the times of Misha and so long as we were not exiled but once we're exiled the would not apply for all generations until the comes Not only would the mitah not apply but as we'll see this coming week and I think uh it's a very short week for me so I think we're going to have to do definitely tonight because Wednesday night already is y right Tuesday night is it's going to be very hard we have to at least hop in tonight we'll see tonight hopefully we were commanded according to what we say on tonight's staff that we should not rebel against the nations of the world to go to conquer the land and they proved that which we Dar that they so the M explains that the reason why the r does not list is one of the 63 Mitzvah is because it no longer applies and by the way once a Mitzvah no longer applies it was never a one of the 613 Mitzvah cuz one of the famous rules of the rambam and listing the 63 is only a Mitzvah that will last is one of the 63 mitz so since the command to live in was only applicable in the times of mha yahushua and David and no longer applicable once the gas began once the G began we are adjured not to go back to Earth Isel forcibly so then that's why the RAM does not count it as one of the 613 reject T this in Sim says quotes the M that the reason why the ram did not count it is because it's not no in the time of the gas but the thing is the SRE writes that they cried because they were not able to the Mitzvah of in the gas I want to read to you this to free look over here look where my icon is in the paragraph above story with SH and they were going to to to learn T and they reached s and they remembered is and they began to cry and they tore their clothing and they read the they came back to their place they said by the way in one of the we say that and there's a question why is isn't that unusual why would Suka be equal to all 63 mitz we once said Suka is an aid for Tam so just like Tam is but now we could say since sitting in the Suka like living in is and living in is sh likewise is a but any event the clearly says in the times of the the Mitzvah of applies not like the way the migas understands ra must be the Migel didn't see the S he just saw what the ran quoted because the brings the story and there it says they came back and even though they were learning Tyra so clearly the mitah applies so the question now is why didn't the ram list living as one of the 63 mitz so the the tries another approach says inah the ran writes that there's a Mitzvah of building the AR and the Capas as a Mitzvah by itself and the Miguel explains why is building the AR a mitzah by itself because the AR was n and it will be revealed and we'll never have to make another one so therefore the says this is not correct because the r counts the mitvah of of destroying the and I why would there be aah to kill the they're not around so the the r says even though it's considered because if they would be around we would have to destroy them well for that reason the rambam should count building the AR and the cap because if it was lost we would have to make another meaning the migu says why didn't the ram count building the Arin because it's not NGA because we'll just unearth it we'll never build another but that's not a good reason cuz ra counts destroying the Z because if they would be around we'd have to destroy them likewise if we would lose the AR we would have to build another he should count building the AR so why didn't the ra count building the AR says the reason is based on what it says in the because the is for the like it says so since the of is for the and say the never went down that's why the is nine and the was a by the way we say the same thing by that the reason why a has to be 10 is because so that the could descend upon it we learn it out from the and we also learn out from was for the and for the therefore we're not going to count them as two separate MIT and since the r already counted the mitvah building the bikash so he doesn't have to count the mitz of making the AR because part of building the whole purpose of building the bik is for the AR so now we're learning a great principle that the RAM does not break down mitv into separate mitz if the purpose of theik is for the the ra will count it all as one Mitzvah that's why the r does not list separately the Mitzvah making the it's part of the mitzah building that's why says the ra doesn't count the mitah of living in is because it's part of a different Mitzvah what Mitzvah is it part of says the the purpose of there's a which is to destroy the nations of the world meaning the Seven Nations who are no longer existent what's the purpose of that Mitzvah so that we could live in because yesu sent the P so the ra counts theah of like we mentioned earlier so he said earlier if there would be we would destroy them to live in therefore the ra doesn't count the why it's the purpose of is to live in is so the same way the purpose of the Mish is the so the ra doesn't count the he already counted building the mishan so too the purpose of destroying the nations of the world is to live in is so the r doesn't have to count the mid of living because it's part of the Mitzvah of destroying the nations of the world so if I were to ask is there a Mitzvah to live in the land of Israel today according to the rambam the miger would say no it's it's done it's over it was only existed in the times of M and Yeshua and David and the ab says of course there's a to live in according to the ran the ran counts living in because the ran counts building the Mish and building the separately the ran counts so the ran counts them as separate mitv he counts building the mishan and building the AR as separate Mitzvah so likewise he'll count destroying the nations of the world and living in AR Israel but the R who only counts and he doesn't count I'm sorry the r who counts I'm sorry the ra who counts but he doesn't count likewise sorry let me say that clear the ra who counts but does not count building the likewise counts but does not count the mitzah of living in is so the ran who counts the building the Mish and building the separately will count separately the ra who only counts the Mitzvah of building the Mish and not building the will also only count will not count the mitvah of that's how the Nar learns the opinion of the r the rashash rashim Al he quotes he quotes the he wants to go she doesn't want to go he could force her she could force him where does this didn't come from that you could force he says because we learn it from the learns it's a Mitzvah the ran learns it's the fourth Mitzvah and then he says anyone who lives in is like he has a God and all of these great attributes of is stem from the this Mitzvah and says the rash bash my father the rash bat agrees to him and even those who don't count it as a mitzah it's a mitvah and it would at least be otherwise why could you force and therefore they were very again I would ask on this there's novah in there's not even to leave inim and yet one spouse could force the other why because of the great spiritual opportunities so maybe really there is no MIT but yet you could still Force because of the great spiritual opportunity but that's what the rashash says comes the B Hali and the says according to the r who does not count living one of the it's clear the the mitvah was only at the time they conquered it and no and never again so then if there's no mitah to live in according to the r why do Kaz speak at the great length of the greatness of living there it's like you have a God saysi look at the M the great spiritual benefits of living in are not because there's a Mitzvah to live there it's because there are many mitv that are dependent on the land and you can't do it unless you live there but it's not a Mitzvah to live there it's only a Mitzvah to live there in the times that they conquered it B there a mitvah says according to the ra there's no Mitzvah the r does not list it there would be no Mitzvah I the uh speaks at Great length about the greatness of living in Israel sure it's a great thing because you be Trum and all the other so the sides with the that the ram didn't count it because it doesn't apply B and says no the ram didn't count it because it's included in the mitah of just like he didn't count building the because that's included in the mitvah of let's see tysus let's see what does tyus hold about this T says who if the husband says to go up and she says I'm not going says a husband can force a wife to go up is dangerous does that indicate that there's a Mitzvah to go up or that there's no Mitzvah meaning what do you think tus holds does to hold like the ran that there's a to go to or does to hold like the way the ram is learned by the that there's to go up or does learn like the that there's no it's only in the times of and now the fact that says is that M if it's but what you what could you do you don't have to give up your life to give live in or maybe like that there's no there's a big because you could be there and nowadays because the roads are somewhat dangerous even if it's not life-threatening we're not going to require someone to go and to we're not going to allow someone to force their spouse to go to Israel just for the spiritual benefits and the ability to fulfill when it's somewhat dangerous what about what says look at this says nowadays there's no there many mitv dependent on the land chuma and many severe punishments we're not able to be careful and and watch out for so seems to be saying yes maybe there's a Mitzvah but it doesn't apply because it's likely you're going to sin if you go to because there's so many this of is it going like the ran or the that there's You could argue if there's you can't negate that because well you know there are other MIT there and you might not be careful so you're can be understand that's like saying well you don't have to put on because you might fall asleep so don't wear it's a very severe thing to fall asleep or to not wear it bad you know don't wear because maybe something will happen you won't be able to guard yourself you won't be able to guard your body you have a and if you have a then you have to put it on and make sure you wear kadus you can't you can't excuse yourself because of you're concerned maybe you'll do an A but if you say like there's no there was never a to it's just everyone agrees the way the B learned everyone agrees that there are great spiritual benefits living there then we can understand that he's saying that if it's only because of the great SP spiritual benefits they're also great spiritual pitfalls so don't go there and by the way that's how the B learns the B proves from he calls do called no T does not call him I was wondering where I got the from the calls him he says so the B basically says that in order to understand it's because there is no since there's no it's only of great spiritual benefit but not at the expense of violating by the way likewise the asks it's a on the there many MIT you'll be able to do and there many punishments in like our law applies in so then however you're being careful in you could do and furthermore it even and the will say we'll see it hopefully tonight if you walk for then you're you get and if you're buried in it's like you're buried under the so what's saying don't we force nobody is for and the Rush leaves it out but as we mentioned the B learns is because he doesn't agree with the ran holds there is no that was only he would say like learns the r that was only in times of yes and there's no to live there they great spiritual benefits but that has to be counterbalanced by the pitfalls um okay that's what we still the B says no says holds like the ra the ran that there is an absolute to live in Isel today but because of the spiritual harm you should not take a chance that's what means are you allowed to blow a r that comes out on chabas no you might carry for wait a second but you have a to blow so make sure you don't carry no we we are very afraid of sin we're very careful of sin the fear of sin might overweigh the opportunity to fulfill a great command we see that by sh we don't do mitv at the expense of possibly doing a so maybe he disagrees with the the fact that is willing to forgo does not mean not it could be but the spiritual danger could outweigh it he says um the questioner said according to the is only to he wants to bring R from and says no it's not from it's that even the Mitzvah applies the Mitzvah of the of applies but he holds since you cannot be to come and violate the and his that's the don't he disagrees with the B he disagrees with the in other words you could have a great and yet we will forgo it because of sort of the inev inevitability of violating byin it's reasonable to put on thein and be careful let me put out change the batteries by Fain it's reasonable to be um put on and be careful not so by it is so hard to that it's worthwhile to give up an absolute but nice try don't use that today in 2024 2024 it's not so hard so even would say that New York and Miami are good places to be like the sbba said if you have to be in the Goos Miami Beach is not a bad place to be but even you would have to go say he says um this would be similar to what he says in the beginning that it's not because of they're the is not that it's a weakened of living it's just you have an exemption this is also an exemption the way we understood it is well maybe that exemption was also it was not a absolute Sak so that so since it's only a minor Sakana maybe it would only override um the inion of living in so not the absolute so according to is not indicative that there is is definitely a Mitzvah to um T is not indicative that he doesn't hold that there is a Mitzvah to live in one minute okay finally let's see what ra has to say about this so seems to learn who holds it's not really azah says most it is aah it's not a on your goof I have to wearin I have to send of the first night and I have to go move there's no such mitzah I have to go move if there was it would be prohibited to live in this it would be like is living in like wearing a four cornered garment without tius no it would be if it was a if there if we would view living in if there's a on a Jew to live in then the same way there's to wear a four cornered garment without there should be a to live in why doesn't the say New York Chicago Los Angeles Miami why does it say that because it's it's not us sir it's not like situs wearing a four cornered garment it's just if you live in you get a but you're not doing any living the only is we ever find is if you live in Israel You're not how to leave but it doesn't say anywhere it's us to live in once you're there you can't leave if you live in America you're not doing AA right again that you know that that's so maybe the again theat is because you're dealing with the yeah no nobody's praising it no it doesn't say anywhere that you knowen right but corre but correct you don't have you for sure don't have that it's not unless there's a big hunger it's just if you live there ah says ra so now we're saying that even the ran never said you have to live in it's just if you live there you definitely have to be concerned whether you could be careful in friends listen carefully there are three ways to learn learns you're obligated to get up and go to if you don't you're violating an a comes he says well that might be the case but I might be violating a if I go there so as important as is to go there I can't go because I can't be actively violating an AA now I'm not sure that would say it's an absolute although he seems to say it's an absolute would override that the learns no there is no to live in it was over in the times of DAV there's just a very beginning to go there why because you could be but nowadays that you can't be so careful then you don't have to go anymore ra has a little bit of an in between ra says you're not to go there but if you live there you're but since I'm not obligated to go live there therefore I need to be concerned with the opinion of now do you need to be concerned with the first opinion of to that it's dangerous again if it's a absolute maybe would still say well look it's dangerous so you don't have to go according to the B that there's no Mitzvah to live there per se maybe you'd also have to be concerned for the danger would Raa say you have to be concerned for the danger maybe maybe is well known disagreed with this CH Raa said you got to go I have it over here number 18 I wasn't going to do this um let me see if I have the sheet in front of me yeah um and says no and if there's no of course it's then why could a husband force his wife to go to according to it's only so then how could a husband force his wife so I would defend Raa say well living in is not AIS and not a kumis and the husband could still force her the Rad's conclusion is I says the Slugs me up because a says likea and he proves it from what we just said because there's a have to you could force to go up to sh so says he forgot the raan in that all the great benefits of living in stem from the Mitzvah of living there Sayad listen carefully likewise the D that you could force your spouse to go to is also because of the to live in since there's a the has more than anywhere else in so it's a greater fulfillment of the of living in in other words he reads the ran that all the great attributes mentioned stem from the of anyway I think uh in short notice we were able to uh we we we we touched upon many of the very important elements of this issue uh Reva really I guess is the greatest advocate for those who haven't made the move yet but again Raa concedes according to most there definitely is a Mitzvah learns it is not a which is a great very very big V says no how could such a thing be then how could one husband How could a husband force his wife I'm not so convinced by's question again I'm not saying you know I'm I'm just saying in the because the said the ra holds there's novah to live in and yet the still applies because of the great attributes of living there so you so that that really is a an answer of A's question andaj discusses that earlier on in this Chua and uh but at least for now if you camping is if you go into your Suka you could have a little bit of a flavor for the Mitzvah of and do you think it's a coincidence that we should be learning about this on suus nothing's coincidental okay thank you very much everyone a I think we'll try to get together tonight around uh 9:30 is that okay okay thank you thank you C