Is the Tanna Rebbe Meir, Rebbe Meir Ba'al Hanes? And Authenticating the Place of Rebbe Meir's Kevura

this tour class is brought to you by torahanytime.com so as you know you know I have a soft spot a spot for a mayor and I can't say this is the last one but we're almost there um and this this was a subject that I felt you know you can't have the Safran ramire without discussing this topic and the the following question was brought to my attention we always call a mayor of Mayor balhanes but this expression is not found not in any not anywhere in the mission on not anywhere in shots not anywhere in the medrish and Israel mayor balhanes the tanara mayor or were there two different gud islands furthermore when we go to tavarian this we go to the cover of Ramirez is that the tanara mayor or is this just first of all is there any evidence he's buried there and maybe it is of Mayor Balinese but maybe the tanakama Rev mayor is not rev mayor Balinese so there's a very cryptic statement in the saderas foreign so here we have the cedar hadoy rice who by the way this is a very hush of safer because the hida wrote footnotes on it is a great historian and he's saying I don't know who remere balanas is what do you mean you don't know he's the Tana mentioned in almost every mishna what do you mean you don't know who he is seems like now in the footnotes on the cedar diary it says I don't know what to say that Doris means that I don't know who ramir Balinese is but it seems what he's saying is I know rev mayor but I never heard of anyone named ramir Balinese so I was looking last night um I saw quota that Reverend margolius one of the great mahabrem of the last century as it's supposed to be at his cover in which is in Tel Aviv we found his cover and he wrote many many for him and one of the form he wrote is and he says I don't know who he is here before 400 years ago there was never anyone called Romero balanas in other words the the concept the title or mayor boundas is a invention that came within the last 400 years it's not mentioned in any of the sifriya khanim meaning you know they're different people you have tell me the common we have good oilem you have writers of svarim and you have what is called people who mark off Graves now I'm sure as it is today is a very lucrative job why because you basically create tourist sites so you know you always have to know I remember I was in the Ukraine and they just discovered the grave of the malbum now I hope it is the grave of them album but they didn't know where he was buried for 150 years even the day them album was buried they didn't know who where he was buried the reform said that if we ever find out where the mountain was buried they're going to desecrate his grave so that the fact they found it today I mean uh maybe I hope so but you but you do need to know there are many men are so that have more than one grave how does that possible a summer home and a winter home you know so you have to know that they have what to gain to say in fact someone is buried there but he says Israel they are um they made a foreign so apparently rev mayor and with mayor Balinese are not the same person but if they're not the same person and Ramirez buried in Ferry and Ramirez is buried in then why does it say ramir balance on the grave in taveria we need to ask that you know we're talking about mayor being buried in tavaria if remember the usia me and claim says that ramayr was in Asia when he passed away and he they had put his body into the sea so if he was in Asia and they put his body in the sea how in the world did he get to tavaria that's also a big mystery um therefore it says when we the mayor balance is not rev mayor is not the Tana and in the biography of the ramban parag dalid how are you gimmel there's a letter from the round bound that it says when he came to shalayim he didn't even have a minion to Daven but sibor and the ramban meeting Yeshiva that many many tell me them flock to let me Prime any institution in arts Israel today still needs support from the diaspora um especially in his time foreign in the ramban's last draw so the ramban ever gave he encouraged the you know um his constituents to support the two Mitzvahs that are equal to all 613 namely charity and supportive Arts Israel you know in other words living in Israel is like all 613 giving sadak as I call 613 so if you could if you could combine sadaka with with supporting those who live in arts Israel that's the highest form adds there's another Mitzvah which is even greater than both of them and that's talmatara so the truth is when you give tadaka to people learning Tyra in aretz Israel that's literally the biggest Mitzvah you could do think about it you're being mikaim sadaka which is 613 yishun which is 6 13 and of course the tamatar can I get coulomb anyway the ramban says he was Makai in that he got up and he made a Koopa for the Yeshiva and it was called kupas haramban okay so the ramban made a Koopa Sadako collection it's called kupas haramban and when uh when the ramban passed away yes stopped so they had to reinstitute The Coop of sadaka to support the most Israel and they found that these coupons were called Koopa saramban and they didn't know what the ramban had to do with in other words then came back to Arts Israel they needed to uphold and support their institutions they saw that in the past it was called the collection of the ramban they didn't know what the ramban had to do with anything so when they found it they they uh relied on that which the gemara says and they figured ramban is Russia tables rev mayor bowel Ness they didn't real in other words it says um says the river margolius re the this big tadaka that we call ramir balance no it's really it was a mistake it was ramban's charity fund the ramban had a push God to support myself Israel but they came back after hundreds of years and they saw on the boxes ramban you know by the way we're not talking about you know little pushkas many of these pushkas were like Stone built into the wall and they saw around they figured or of Mayor baldness but no it was Robin achman who uh was well known in Claudia so it's very interesting the reproved my Golia says rev mayor is not rev mayor Balinese there's someone else from mayor balance and the Tanner of Mayor is not ramir Banas perhaps it's and even his charity is not his charity his charity is the ramban's charity the reason perhaps he was called ramir Balinese is uh they sort of mixed up the ramban with the ramir Balinese but we have over here number three we mentioned that the banishkai wrote an anonymous safer about ramayr he called it mayor basayan and in the full edition he brings over here that there are those who tie another Tana he's a different who lived at the end of the fifth millennia and they bring a proof because there's nobody named Ramirez and ligamara so let's let's read the first Mara Malcolm that challenges the identity of ramir Balinese we're a number four this comes from a Torah Journal called artaira and he quotes over here um it was claimed that the Ramirez is a different Sage by the way what's amazing is who is this later Sage that we claim in other words who's the later Sage who's ramir Balinese the aperian empty look like shots ah what did he write yes because of the great miracle that happened to him so there's a Tana rev mayor and then there's somebody called Ramirez and that's where mayor Schatz the author of agdamus [Music] now the opinion of a Mordechai sharabi was that in gosh ramir Balinese of the mishnah um is buried who is mentioned in the gemara and there are two people sharabis of the opinion of Israel of the Gomorrah that and mayor that's buried in the entrance to tavaria is a different mayor foreign in other words some even some want to say as follows not I mean they're tour of Mayors there are many opinions or tour at Mayors one is your mayor the Tana one is Ramirez some say Ramirez Thomas is buried in gosh buried in tavaria and some say the opposite rev mayor of akdomus is buried in uh tavaria and the mayor of the mishnah is buried in gosh let me get this for you over here bar mode 160 shahamas Cyrus this whole tradition in Ramirez buried in tavaria was mentioned for the first time about the year of 4800 971 1210 so that seems to prove that Mordechai sharabi is right that it's really not rev mayor it's for mayor Schatz and he was nifter about 115 years from then um and then it was revealed to him about shim shine but um basically it says let me just move this is basically don't worry meaning if you're if you've been spending your Summers going to tavaria praying and now your bubble is burst that that's not Ramirez Thomas don't worry they're both uh makers of Miracles and clap Ishmael is still going to answer your Felice whether it's for mayor Schatz or Amir ba or Romero of the mishnah and therefore if you give money to whoever whichever of Mayor is there it's going to be a good segula whether it's for mayor the Tana or rev mayor um Balinese the author of AG Thomas it doesn't matter whether it's Ira mayor a or a mayor B that Sudoku you give will still work every time so in other words this Torah Journal is really not convinced a that rev mayor the town is buried in taveria he feels that rev mayor the Tana is for sure not Ramirez Ramirez is a different ramayr he's the ramayr the author of akdamas but as we're going to see that is not the tradition the tradition is that remedana is buried in Terraria and that Arab mayor is who we refer to as Ramirez but it is it is a matter of dispute because it will ruined margolius even says that the whole appellation of Mayor Balinese is a recent phenomenon it's a made-up phenomenon he believes it came as a mistake from Reading ramban as ramir balness and the Arturo says rev mayor the Tana is not rev mayor balance now in the hakatama we're going on to number five here so let me try something ah let's go to number five for tavaria this is from the mayor bass Ayan of the beneschi in the full version in the haktama in the safer tavaria that was recently published they write that in Arab in tavaria the Arabs in tavaria Korra Mir Balinese rev mayor the choker doesn't mean he didn't come through in the playoffs it means he choked somebody I'll shame my face basically there was a sultan who wanted to take away one of the stairs in the Kevin ramireza one night Romero came to him a dream and grabbed him by the throat and tried to choke him until he agreed to give Romeo back the stone by the staircase and therefore it comes out he says that it could be really balanas Israel mayor I how come we don't find that title because he was only called valhannes after he choked the sultan which happened much later in history and then this is the I guess the more traditional approach that the reason why we call Ramiro ramir Balinese is because we find in the gemara that when he wanted to redeem his sister-in-law so he gave the warden of a jail the certain incantation to say and Nissan happened and based on that Kamara it is uh theorized that that is why he's called ramir Balinese now number six he continues after many years I saw in one pamphlet that mayor of the town is not buried in terrarium hamsan and about 50 meters before his cover near tavaria they found his base madrish and then he says I found in a safer this is a very interesting safer I saw him that he preserves the tradition that we have there a mayor the Tana is in fact buried in tavaria based on the tradition of the arizal and then the cedar hadoiroys which by the way our version of say that does not say that Romero is buried there but um not like with Benjamin of Toledo fine so let's read this um this little uh let's read what it says here in the asaram kadoshim let's see okay um let me just try this oh like that okay here I am okay number seven lemon Romero Balinese so he says like we've been learned like naturally or traditionally we understand based on the gemara Nava desara that the wife of Romero Buria asked her husband to redeem her sister who was taken in a brothel so a mayor went and he the guard said look I'm afraid they're gonna kill me he said no problem Jose maranini and you'll be saved and the guard was captured and he was judged for capital punishment and uh he said the maranini was answered now here's a very interesting thing I'm in this paragraph where my arrow is I'm going to read it on my sheet it's easier for me to it's hard to look at the screen rev mayor passed away in Asia on hotstars and his Tami Dem brought his R into Arts Israel like the usami says and he says the famous words Amir mashiach and we've explained in the past what ramayr meant that he was mashiach for the it means for the most part that because of Ishita that we're always upon him mashiach could come okay he quotes over here of Maisha Claire's that probably Mayer was buried in tavaria because that's where his Yeshiva was and when they took him towards Israel he was probably buried where he taught Tyra now next paragraph the cover where the arrow is the cover of Romero and tavaria is mentioned first by Rushmore of shiman from the baliatosis whose now to Psalm 12 11. he says from there from Beijing we went to tavaria and before we got to the city we saw the cover of ramire meaning we have Mayors kevra was first spotted in the year 12 11. one side of the year of Mayors buried and below are the wells are the hot springs of tavaria and in the safer Kabbalah Sadi karat Israel uh far from tavaria a distance from Adam Mill are the hot springs of tavaria rev mayor is buried over there who's known as probably because he learned from Alicia who's called akhar and the Arabs call them ravner the the choker like we explained before okay now some Jewish Travelers called this ramirezin or Amir katzon and they wanted to say this is uh a different red mayor from the baliatosis but the arizal who had he verified that this in fact is the tanara mayor in other words the fact that we believe Ramirez buried there was verified and authenticated by the arizal and all the daily headers had followed suit and so says to say their hadoy rice that in teveria um to the South Ramirez the student evolution is buried and he quotes near the mountain there's Ramirez ah so we see already that there are some early sources that Romero the Tana is referred to as Romero Balinese and he says on this cover many people have been confused including the of Toledo and he wanted of Toledo says this is not Romero the Tana but we rely on the um vital who said the name of the Rizal then in fact it is in other words historically there's a very big dispute about this a Benjamin of Toledo who is the early Jewish traveler he it was his opinion that this is not Romero datana but as we mentioned this was authenticated by the Ariza that Rizal did authenticate um that this is Ramirez cover now these other words in the south of tavaria when you go to the hot springs they're the cover of sadikem they're far from one another um rev mayor revirmia and it appears lanias deity that my revi told me on rev mayor there are mayor is buried standing this is also phenomenon that we've discussed in the past there a mayor was buried standing um in fact if you look in number 10 on your sheets let's go to number 10 for a moment this is the benue hayada the binayahu in sukha he says why was ramir Banas buried standing like it says in the Shara Google and I asked about that reason about it and he said yes in fact he is buried standing and he says it's to um now by the way here we find also that the benefici also verified authenticated that that in fact is truthfully called Ramirez okay uh let's going back to number seven over here he says the the masters of hasidos would prostrate themselves on the camera balance also the students of the gra were Max of this place and of kalisk from svas in the year 1778 says fine even remember would write um that we send every year a minion to the holy city of tavaria to Davin by Ramirez so we see that greatlam considered the Tanner of Mayor Ramirez now it could be there's another Romero balanas in and that might be the mayor the author of actamos but it seems pretty verified that the Rev mayor in taveria a is the tanara mayor and B can aptly be referred to as ramir Balinese now let's get the um let's get the opinion of in the safer so um I have a few of the newer versions of rochheim falaji but I don't have the newer version of the safer khalaim he says like this xiaomi this is number eight um parakeets he passed away in Asia he was there I can't read that let those letters um he sent let a word Israel that your Ruby passed away please bring me up to Barry mean Arts Israel and it says over there when his Orion was in Asia they put it on the edge of the sea because Earth's Israel is founded on the sea like it says basically they put Ramirez body in the sea but it's not clear from the usual me we're going to the top now if they actually brought his body into Arts Israel now even though the you xiaomi doesn't say they brought his bio terrorismo they didn't violate his Sava who was he was commanded to be buried Arts Israel but it doesn't say we're an artist Israel even though the you xiaomi ends that Earthly Soul is on one of the seven seas and one of the Seven Seas is yamichelle tavaria but the usia me doesn't say we're in tavaria but we have a Kabbalah that rev mayor bauhanas is buried in Terraria so here are two things number one phalange is authenticating the tradition that rev mayor is buried there and number two that this is ramir Balinese the Tana meaning there was an opinion Ramirez who's a different mayors in Terraria here of Heim felagio's authenticating both Traditions that buried in Terraria is the tana and he can be referred to as ramir Balinese and he quotes to say their Adai rice the only thing is there's somewhat of a steer on the cedar adairize because elsewhere in the say there are diaries it says buried I don't know who these people are I don't know what to say the adores means if he means that Ramirez buried in that and conscious distinction what he himself wrote that he's buried in tavaria that can't be we could only follow our tradition from any rabbanim and go in America Israel that our Tana Marine rabenu um he was in tavaria and he testified that's from mayor and that's Amir Balinese so therefore says we don't pay any attention to anyone who wants to challenge that we can we have nothing to rely on against our Kabbalah and the negative on him I'm sorry I'm blocking the where we're up to here let me read this again he put He established it correctly um don't pay attention to anyone who wants to be my FAQ bake we have nothing to rely on against the Kabbalah of many rabbanim and that this came from me pee Hashem basically says you cannot challenge the tradition from the arizal that in fact this is the grave of ital actually the grave of Ramirez you're muted so I didn't hear you what did anybody check to see if the if the cover was buried standing up everybody seems to agree was buried standing up if they were able to they don't have to open the gray but they could see if the Auburn was standing up or lying down and they would know you know right now there's a major building on top of a mayor I mean uh we are exactly he would be you know that would be very hard to determine it's a big business but I think you know they try to find kavarum these days with like ultrasound um okay let's see the trading radar yeah something like that yeah now let's just do a bit more and then we'll wish each other a good Shabbos we have um a letter here Tyler is from one of their abundant I believe of tavaria his name is of David Bardo in number nine he says we have a Kabbalah from the old rabbanum the guy named kobalem from tavaria that the tunnel kiramir Balinese is buried there like is testified by shimsheim from the ballet hatosis and it's broken like we saw earlier and as this was quoted in the safer of um asorum kadoshim there it's Israel look in the next paragraph now the town he writes in the Golem after he brings the Kura the Markham crew of the tanama RAM and SAS and tamaria he says south of tavaria when you go to the hot springs there is um the kevramucha mayor and my rabbit Ariza told me he's buried standing and in my opinion when he says the mayor this is for sure ramir Balinese because he brings there others who are buried in Terraria rev Bruno history and then ramayr if it wasn't ramir the Tana then in why wouldn't the uh says by the way this is a different ramayr he's bringing the context of tanam and amarayam the fact that he groups it together with means this is not ramayr the author of agdamus it was ramirezine he would say by the way you have tanoam and and you have ramirezhine the fact that he groups that means we're talking about ramir the Tana that this is the town of Mayor Balinese and the reviews also understood that this is what meant why because he says um he refers to that Tana whose stands up for us as ramir Balinese if he's referring to the balak domus does he means that stands up for classical for the end until the end of time that's not a typical expression to use about a reshine now even though we don't find the expression Balinese I'm on the next page in the talmud referring to a mayor and this is a question that Ruben margolius added but in the minhagima pisachshini it's written that this was a title added in the later years especially because we have a tradition that when somebody's in a gym your menadev stucco to rev mayor and Nissan happen and uh therefore he's for sure Roy for this appellation ramir Balinese as an allusion to all the Nissan that occur in his especially there's one particular Miracle here look where my arrow is with the front oh yes this well-known story that there were two humongous stones at the entrance or a mayor's uh caver and suddenly they begin began to move and roll and move to the second Stone and somehow they sort of uh joined together in a very orderly way there's a some kind of famous account of the moving of the Stones by The Cabaret mayor so this is also gives Credence to this idea that Ramirez tairu America was added later on and if you look in this in a safer Yahoo there's a my Sonora about something that happened in the year 1867 by the town of Mayor okay be it as in May the um Bardot upholds this tradition that theology writes about that in fact Ramirez is buried there and he repeats himself in the safer Ravid yeah and number 11 this is also rev David Bardot that he wants to say the Seder had rice is buried in tavaria because that's you know we asked before what does it say that others mean that Ramirez is buried in gush khalaf does that mean he holds that that Ramirez is not buried in tavaria no says that's exactly what to say that therus means he quotes someone who says Ramirez and he says I don't know what he's talking about why doesn't he know what he's talking about because our tradition is he's buried in tavaria and if you look in the savior's house the chuvas um I'm sorry I'm over here oh I stopped screen sharing what happened you didn't move the arrow so we were frozen on the the prior mayor Malcolm oh here you are back okay so I'm over here he also proved from many different sources um many different sources that are known uh uh right over here that the cover of the tunnel equivalence is um Stam Ramiro the mishnah and don't challenge the prevalent status quo of tradition that it's some uh that this is somebody else okay um then he says over here I also found one of the great rabbanim of tavari rubber as opposed to what it says in the say that he said he's buried in okay so let's just see what it says in the safer toivas Mara and then we will uh I wish you a good Shabbos in the safer Thomas and number 12 he says is Mayor said put my crib in the sea and uh and bury me he says which is uh lined with stones and the in the middle there's a sea lion and there's a circular Stone from one of the old pillars erect in the middle and they say they're ramir Balinese is very like finding these xiaomi so he quotes over here nerolani is deity in the second paragraph when the say that mayor of the missions says that Ramirez is and in fact the rice himself was okay so the bottom line is that there was so there is a degree of confusion regarding whether Romero the tanas called Ramirez margolius says in fact we don't find this name and the first time the Appalachian Balinese is mentioned um is is at a later point and in fact there might be a ramir Balinese elsewhere and that ramir balanas may be in fact Romero the author of actamos but it is pretty substantiated um a based on this is our tradition B is substantiated by rochheim falaji vouches for it based on the fact that the arizal testified that this in fact is the Tanner of Mayor and we find that even the banishkai was was willing to call the mayor the Tano as ramir balhanas so is there another it seems like there is is he also called Balinese possibly but it is pretty accurate in terms of this is our certainly our tradition verified by the mikhobalem that buried in tavaria is the Tanner of Mayor and he is referred correctly by manigai and others as even though this is not a title that is found early in the mission on the gemara okay Rabbi Sai wishing everyone a great Travis look you know what I'll tell you something on the parachute before we go how's that you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com