Is It Time to Leave America? Rabbi Nachman Seltzer Speaks Out - Living Inspired

[Music] I'll tell you what I tell people. I'm not so interesting. I just know a lot of interesting people. >> Rabbi Seltzer, welcome to the program. >> Thank you so much for having me, Rabar. >> Yes, Rabbi Seltzer, I have had the privilege of knowing you for 15 years. It seems like you've always been publishing another book. I I don't know how many books you're up to now, but uh it seems like every time I open Mishbaha magazine, aside from your article, I get to see the books. And I wanted to talk to you more about what's going on right now in Eritrol. We had two years of COVID and we had two years of war and now finally the airports have opened up. the missiles have stopped and we're at a moment in history where we really need to relearn the lessons of CO and this war. What can you teach us? What can you tell us from your experience? >> CO was an interesting thing. I I learned that it's all about your own family. CO taught me that lesson because until then you think it's it's so important your neighbors, your friends are so important, your sh and they are important. I don't want to take that away. But what's the most important thing is what happens inside your house. And if a family had a good relationship before COVID, co allowed them to strengthen that relationship because they were together with their kids a lot. They were they were they were with their wife and chabases were just them without guests. And so for us it was a it was a good period of time because it gave us that ability to really come together as a family and afterwards we able to actually move from our own neighborhood because we realize we can move to another neighborhood and it doesn't matter. It's not about the neighbors or the friends. It's about us and our house. And so we're able to do that. >> Co taught me and maybe you'll agree that first of all, you don't have to go to the bank. Okay, my bank suddenly they don't even allow me to deposit cash anymore. They're like, you know, you want cash, go to the machine. And it also gave it seems to me and maybe maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me that Hashem was kind of preparing the world for a situation where we take go away from Gashmus. Everything that happens in the world a person has to believe it's coming from Hashem and it's a message to our generation. So moving on to the war. How would you describe your experience with with the war? war is the war is very much like co is global and the war I think is there to tell everybody outside of Israel it's kadai for you to start thinking about buying a place in Israel just just because if anything we've learned from history we have a shelf life in other countries it's kadai to think ahead I really feel the war the war taught us that I think the war is still teaching us that I think everything changed I think it's nothing. The world is not at all the way it was before October 7th. I think anti-semitism right now is only going to increase in the years to come. I don't think that we returned at all. It's maybe it's it looks like it's calm. I do not think it's calm. I think everything changed. For me, the war changed everything. >> This war isn't over. >> No, not at all. You know, we were seeing in a suka two months ago and we were getting missiles and how quickly we we forget and everything goes back back to normal. >> You forgot. You I didn't forget. You >> better sake. I Yeah. Yes. I have moments when I forget. I have moments when I get in my car and I have to pinch myself that I'm actually, you know, it's it's it's quite it's quite amazing. >> Go to LinkedIn. So, just go to LinkedIn and look at the stuff being posted there and you'll remember. Go to LinkedIn. LinkedIn is a business site and I have a lot of people who are constantly getting in invitations for people to want to join my business network and I can tell you that that is a place that used to never be you would never be exposed to anti-semitism was purely a business network and today every other thing on there is is Palestinian. It's it's it's hate stuff. It's a scary scary situation. >> You mentioned LinkedIn. I I know that you don't go on social media. you don't have you don't have what's up to me is living day by day it's getting the every single day and I wanted to know if maybe you could share some of your life experience about stories that uh we could only happen in >> so it it goes back when I was when I was in the mirror I was a younger man I was I was learning with a ber in the mir going back a long time ago I was about 22 let's say 23 three and um at that time I was getting paid to learn with this boy but I I wanted to learn with someone my own age and I said to myself if I'm if I'm learning in yeshiva I might as well learn with someone my age but I needed the money so what do you do so I went to I had a conversation with Hashem and I told him you want me to learn you want us to learn I'll make a deal with you you send me the money I need and I'll learn with someone my own age and Hashem said okay and I went and did that. So I started learning with this rous incidentally I'm still learning with him now over 20 years later he lives in >> it's not is it no >> no no I only met him like about 10 11 years ago >> but you go every day to the I see you >> you were of that sh also right >> that's correct to be one of the he's a good friend of mine either way the person I'm talking his name is Mhammed he's the he's the founder of No, I'm next to MDY. We gave MDY property to build over there. Anyway, he's the guy by the founder of the Shaw. >> Wow. >> So, I started learning with this guy and I had I told Hashem, I have enough money to get me through sukas. This is elma. I have enough money to get to sukus. And after that, I need more money. That was what I told Hashem. And every day I'm waiting for Hashem to send me money. Every day I'm waiting for someone to come over to me and give me a check. And here's here's cash. I don't know. I'm waiting for something to happen. I'm sure is going to do it. I just didn't know how. My in-laws in her and every year my wife's grandparents used to make a party for the whole family, children, grandchildren, great grandchildren. They lived on brand in her and every year we had a party over there. So, we're at the party and there's a knock on the door and Saba goes to the door and he opens the door and in walks his best friend. his best friend, his name is Dr. Mosha Katz from Lawrence. And so they're they're best friends for 50 at that time, this is going back 25 years ago, they were best friends for 50 years at that point. How did they meet? So 50 years earlier, my wife's grandfather Irving Mazel, he was, you know, he wasn't such a firm guy. He was a American kid, but when his son was old enough to go to yeshiva, he wanted him to go to yeshiva. So he went to one of the local yeshivas in the five towns. He walks into the office. He says, "My name is Irving Mel. I want to sign up my kid to come to your yeshiva." So the guy by the desk says, "That's very nice. Do you have enough money to pay tuition?" So Measel says, "I'm not a wealthy guy. I work for the New York City housing department, but I'm a contractor and if anything breaks in the yeshiva, I will be available to fix it. You probably spend a lot of money fixing things. I'll be your guy. Anything you need, call me. Doesn't matter when. I will come and I will fix it. And that's how I will pay tuition. So the guy says, "D, thank you very much. Don't worry about us. We'll worry about ourselves and uh come back in a year. We'll get you a scholarship. So Irving Misel is he used to go his temper was like from zero to 100 in like two seconds and he's like he's like a New York City housing department guy. You can imagine he he loses it. He's like you call yourself yeshiva. What kind of Jew are you? Who's your mother? Who's your father? He starts yelling at the guy screaming at the guy. What kind of a Jew are you? I want to send my kid to yeshiva. You're turning me down. And he starts screaming. He's leaving the office. He's slamming doors. Meanwhile, Mushkat is sitting in his office. He's the president of the yeshiva. And he hears some guy yelling at the top of his lungs and he walks out of his office. He follows the guy out of the yeshiva to the parking lot and he sees he sees that the guy is getting into a car and he wants to know what's going on. So he says to the guy, "Can you give me a ride to Faraka?" Serv Misel says, "Sure, get in my car." So Mishkat waves goodbye to his own car. He gets to Miselle's car and he drives him. And on the way, Mashkat says to him, "What's going on? What's wrong? What happened? So says, "I want to send my yeshiva and they're not willing to take him. I offered I don't want Sadda. I'm I'm I'm happy to pay. I'm a contractor. I know how much it costs to to to fix things. I'm willing to be on call." But this guy says, "That's a very good deal." He says, "I don't want Saddak." He says, "Not Saddaka. I signed the checks. It's a good deal." He says, "Tomorrow I'll bring you the papers. You'll have the papers in your house." So the next day brought in the papers and how Mel went to Yeshiva. They became best friends and they moved the Mel family moved next to the cat's family and every shabas they ate together. He joined Moshkatul and they wanted to make him vice president. They wanted to make me mul vice president but he wasn't shabas. So he said mush you got to convince him. So mush took him out. He says Irvvin you got to become I want they want to make you vice president. He say, "Yeah, you just got to keep Shabas first." He started becom Shabas. The whole life changed. And now it's 50 years later and there's a house full of from children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, and Irving Mel puts his arm around his friend. He goes, "Mish, it's all you." He said, "It's all yours. It's all yours, Mish." At the end of the night, Mish cat comes over to me and he says to me, "I love your books. I love your writing. I was just starting. I I I want to write a book about my family. Nine out of 10 survived the war. Nine out of 10 kids survived the war. I want to write a book about it. Come to my hotel the day after sukus and we'll sit down and talk about it." So the day after sukus, the day after sukus, man, I drove to his hotel. He was staying at King Solomon. We had our first meeting and he gave me the first check and after that every month in the mail came a check for more than I needed to to foro. But it wasn't just that because that led to another guy called me up not long afterwards from London. He was in Israel. He said, "I read M Catz's book and I want to write a book with you." I was a little boy in Budapest, six years old during the war. We called that book Child of War. And one led to another and I'm still doing it now, 56 books later. Hashem is still keeping his part of the deal. And I'm still learning with the same. >> It's I would say it's minimum. You were the star soloist. Uh, was that that was the song, right? >> I mean, I wasn't a soloist on that song, but I was on that album. Yes, >> you were on that album. >> Um, >> correct. >> You know, when when I lived in Betar when I um almost almost 30 years ago and um I had a relative who would come visit, he was a wealthy person, he would come visit me and he asked me, "What does everybody do in this neighborhood?" So I said, "We all learn Torah." So he said, "So where what's what's the deal? Where are they getting money from?" So I said, "Well, I don't know. Everybody gets by. Somebody, you know, they they the in-laws help. Some people have they they do they sell I don't know. They sell They they they do they do uh clean them upet for other people. They do different things." So he said to me, "Aaron, they must be stealing. They must be stealing from either the government or cheating on their taxes. It's impossible because >> they >> have no taxes. >> No, but so it's like the the the kasha that I think I never said this before, but I I I I've been thinking about this that the real kasha is the miracle that's happening in Israel. >> Says that the have no connection to Shabas. They can't keep >> it's just for Jewish people. And the Gmorrah says that Isa there was a guy named Iser who said when I before I became a Jew I used to say there's no way Jewish people keep Shabas. There's no way you could pass a a wallet in the street on Chabas and not pick him up. Not pick it up. No way. Not possible. Meaning he doesn't understand the concept that what you would just see a wallet and not pick it up. That's the same thing this guy was saying to you. If if if people are getting by, it must be that they're silly. No, maybe not. Maybe you just don't understand. Maybe they're living. But a B, you don't understand something. Maybe you don't understand. Just like didn't understand. You also don't understand. The the world the the world is just basically proving yet again how important is in the greater scheme of things. The Gian themselves do not understand why they are fixated on the Jewish people. They don't get it. It's like you don't it doesn't we are the size of this little this is us. Yeah. This is us our country. Okay. We are nothing. We are one teeny little bit of the world and tiny amount of people. And yet every newspaper all over the world are busy talking about if we build a porch in Jerusalem and we build a porch. It's like the biggest news in the world. How about if you focus on Scandinavia? You know what? They did a new drill. They have a new stall that cuts through trees. Or in Denmark they caught a fish. Leave us alone. Why are you busy with us all the time? No, they can't. They don't even know why. They're so busy with they don't even understand why that is our job. We were given a job to be a light unto the nations and that was we're doing our job. You know what I think it was a lot of that happened and if they don't like us that's okay. Better to be feared than liked. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know when uh we say in we say that there's a growth there's a growth of the and I I saw interesting last night I saw the he's going to bring the crown back that it means that he's going to build the mdash that mel is going to build the base mdash and I saw in oftel goes into he goes into great depth explaining why this was a good idea in the second B mikdash where only 42,340 people returned like you may have Ezra and 113 or 14 of them were married to Gim and those were the people who built the second ba migdash and we're at this point right now where half of kisol have have returned and there's a lot of conversation on social media about are we With the rise of Mamani, are we at this point where we should start thinking about Eritisol? >> I do believe that uh I think New York has another 20 years, New York and most of America. I think Texas and Florida has maybe 40 years, >> but yeah. Yeah, it's definitely a sign because Mandani is just one person. He's just one. You have to understand all of the people who if you look at what's going on at college campuses, the more sophisticated, the more lush of a college, the crazier the sick ideology they teach their students. All of these students are going to grow up and they're going to go into politics, a lot of them, and they're going to be the next leaders in America. So right now, even if you still have people who support Israel, that is very possibly going to change in the next 20 years. And again, we're not dependent on politicians. We're not dependent. But you have to understand the country just because it was hospitable until now does not mean it will stay hospitable. If you look at history, history repeats itself, right? So we should be open. We should eyes should be open to situations. Should realize right now I can get a good price for my house. Maybe could die to think about that. >> Why why would you want to sell your house when you're over the barrel and under stress? Just look at what's going on. You know, if you don't think you're living in a bubble and you think, "Oh, life is great." Take the bus, take the train, educate yourself. You'll realize very quickly what's really going on around you. Go take a train to Manhattan, walk around a little bit, take a bus, take a city bus in Manhatt in New York. You want to get a feeling of what's really going on? You're living in your bubble. It's sc it's a very scary situation right now. >> Okay. Um I I want I wanted to just just tease this topic a little more because I think that um the there were two there was a recent interview that was done and people a lot of people saw this interview and there was between two two raon one I don't know was somebody init who's into aliyah and another person who's above in California and they were talking about whether or not >> what are you who's the rabbi who's the person who's into ali Uh, >> he's not a RV. He's not a He's not a R. >> Not a R. >> He's not a R. >> Good guy, but not a R. >> He's not a R. Yeah, I I think I was clear. I said it. He's not a R. It was between two and there was a R in California >> and they brought up two points, three points actually. The first point was whether or not we follow Ramosa Feinstein. Raisha Feinstein has a famous truva. I I I actually spent six hours yesterday in the draisha in Giten going through a lot of the shittas of Mosha. It's it's a very complex um about the of inus and the millis Esther. I mean the puzzle is that the Rambam doesn't mention mitzvah of Israel. This was the first topic was do we follow like the Ramban who interestingly enough moved to Eritis even though he was being persecuted but he did move here or the Rambam who lived in Egypt and probably couldn't but he didn't move to Eritis he really he didn't end up doing it who and the Rambam doesn't say now there are a lot of opinions so that's one so what that's one argument that's given but I think the bigger argument because both both sides of that argument are agreeing that we should be here it's just a question of if it's a responsibility on every person to do um just like we were at sitsus that's that's the example but the second issue was the children's education um and I think ramp she has come a huge way and like I was speaking to somebody yesterday that you know there's probably 10,000 kids who are olim in yeshiva and you can't say they're all going off the d so I wanted to know if you could maybe share what what your insights were about If >> what's the focus the question >> what is the issue of kids going off the d from olim is that a real thing or is that an imagined phenomena and should people >> you just went you you just left your whole introduction and went into a different question right >> I'm not following yeah >> meaning you you you the whole introduction was about the mitzvah of mitzvah versus >> no mitzvah no there were three things that we that they mentioned in the interview they mentioned mitzvah And the second thing was whether or not the kids will go off the d. And the third thing was whether or not um it's uh third thing was why the raanim didn't tell anybody to do it. Will any rabbi get up and say move to? So the first you want >> so the first issue of the mus between the the the migillis Esther's interpretation of the Rambam and the Ramban I think is a mute point because uh everybody agrees it's a mitzvah and it's just like situs and we all like to do mitzvah dasis. I think we all say we all wear situs and this >> we feel it's the right thing to do. >> Yes. Yes. >> We are we are pro mitzvah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Your question is your question is kids at risk. That's your question. >> My question is is kids at risk a real reason? I even say further that the came to him and said why? Because he didn't want to have he saw he saw that he's going to have and said to him you got to do what what tells you to do. Hashem tells you to do this. Don't mix in. So if t it's the right thing to do. So we can't make about our kids. >> I'm not I'm not going to is one of the reasons you're allowed to live in America. Okay, that is the so a person could say that. But >> that's to leave according to the migill. >> It's the same idea. It's the same idea. >> Raosha says it's not the same idea. But it makes question is if the Ram actually held that that it's to live in says don't say it's to leave say it's also to leave. Okay. But yeah >> either way either be that as it may today has come a long way and there are many many schools and many places for kids to learn. That said, if a family is settled and the kids are all doing well, I would hesitate to tell them to uproot themselves and move to a different country because it's a different culture and it's a different way of thinking and it's a different system. Now if everybody comes together from America meaning when people say what do you want there's no the answer is yeah if you all came here and you made then there would be American if lakewood came to then we would have and there's plenty of room for everybody so it's not really an answer but at the point where they're not honestly I can't I when people ask me I can't tell them you have to come here if you're doing well meaning it's a different we have to we to differentiate between a young couple who are starting out and a family with 10 kids or eight kids who are living and and they're settled and they're doing well. There I hesitate to tell people just uproot children from a system when they're doing well. That's something which I I would not tell people to do. Um but on the other hand if you're starting out why not start out in why not today there are many different it's very different than it used to be and and there's I think the children have a very very good there's a very good percentage of kids who are doing very well and in America you know probably is very close to each other in Lakewood and today in the beginning sheish it was different it was a big mix of people coming from all over the world it was very different today there's neighborhoods. You could live with the same type of people like you. Find the neighborhood similar to you. There's no reason it shouldn't work out. But that's again when you're starting the journey. I hesitate to say to people whose children are already in the system and it's working well. You know something called sometimes. Why isn't it a mitzvah? Imagine if the Rambam and the Ramban both pased everybody was said and it was Everybody has to live in. Right. >> Right. >> And then people didn't come. Right. So it really has to be I I I heard from I heard from a from a Rebi of a Rebi of mine who heard it from his Rebi. So I don't want I don't want to say who I don't know remember who it's from exactly, but he said that why does Msiah have to be a person? Why can't it maybe I think it's from the moral. Why does it have to be a person? Why can't I'm sure you would you could explain, but why can't it just be a movement? Why can't it just be awa? It can't be. It's just an awakening of Hashem removing the from our heart and making everybody um just want to be. >> So he said that it has to be a person because it has to come from us. Meaning that the only way that what Hashem really wants he already took us out of Mitsim and he already came we already came after the midbar. We came into we were at Sadik and we lived with Yeshua. Then the Ramban then we he really wanted like the Ramban says on the mitzvah of that there's a mitzvah to go and seek out the BA mdash and that was the by in the end of when the came and the reason went and counted because he wanted there was a mafa that happened and people died there was a plague there was covid from that the sin of those people was that they weren't seeking out Hashem. Um, maybe tell us about I I know you're a star member of Rabbi Stfansky. We mentioned it, Rabbi Stfansky Shir, the MDY. Maybe tell us about what MDY is and how you got involved and how you helped start it >> from moved to to Mic from Chicago about 10 years ago. He joined my show. He sat on my bench and I recognized him from his interview he did in Ammy magazine lunch break with Assanal Gans was also a good friend of his and uh we became friends and every time he yeah he told me I remember right when I met him he told me he has a dream he very much admires Abdu and he wants to also do something to have a global effect on he always had he always thought big and he he started doing many things and then a synopsis of the of the week and every time he would do something he would ask me to to come support him and I always try to give him support why not he's trying to do good things and today the sh has between 30 and 40,000 people every day between Hebrew and English all around the world and many many in Israel alone there's 29 satellite locations America about also about 25 between 20 and 30 satellite locations and uh it's an amazing thing that we're about to have a shabaton in a few weeks in America expecting few thousand people it sold out right away and uh what's amazing the thing that to me I is the most amazing thing about it and this comes up a lot that many many many people when they write their emails to the shir to rebel they say that they haven't picked up a safer since yeshiva they haven't learned in 20 years. They haven't learned the 30 years. They're trauma from Mhish. They haven't learned Garin and now they're learning every day finishing and they're back to is part of their lives again. So for me just for that it's worthwhile that people haven't learned in so long and they're learning now and they're loving tora and it's part of their life just for that alone that it exists in the world. It's not the da, it's the yomi, right? It's >> that's what he always says. It's not about the daff, it's about the yi. >> And and that's doing the same doing doing having a schedule and doing that every day. >> He he his his thing that he stresses is is consistency. That's the thing he stresses. And and then he he says once a person takes consistency so then he's able to to to bring in many other things in his life. like he's he always pushes he pushes not talking during kaj which in the beginning I was like I don't like not talking during kaj because it's like it's implies that that you know during the rest of ding but I but he was like at least take something you know sometimes we have arguments differentic points and um I get a lot of times people from different places thank me for you know presenting the counterpoint and that's my job and but he he's doing amazing amazing things he's really helping people to change. He's he's he's he's showing people that no matter you look I think he himself talking about something that that he taught everybody. He didn't tell you change. He's not telling a person look at me. I'm a person I sit and learn my whole life and and and you should be like me. No. No. He's saying look at me. I'm a businessman. I lived in Chicago. I drove my Beamer. I drove my Lexus. I was a I was a party guy. I was a fun guy. I was doing I was having a great time hand out shallots and I also gave it but his focus he was a businessman at the end of the day was a businessman and this businessman who has a very nice portfolio of real estate very successful guy but inside he wanted to be different he wanted to to shift the focus and so when he tells you that you could change it's coming from a of a place that I he's not telling you oh do something that he didn't do. He's doing it. He doesn't work now. He he sits and learns from morning till night. He's basically always preparing for it's like you he's always busy with now. He's living the he has a big. So it's the if you want to look at him as an example of somebody who put his money where his mouth is literally and in the most literal way is is changing his life each and every day. And he's a person who was also not a cav person. He was always all over the place. He ADHD and now he's committed and every day he's teaching. He doesn't miss a day. >> He still gets up on the table and smashes the grapes and brings the brings the >> whatever it takes. Whatever it takes, you know, whatever it takes to bring people to learn Torah, that's the goal. No matter what it is, you have to get up at a table to stand by grapes. Stop by graves. Sit up sit on a lion. He would go skydiving. He would do everything. He wants people to learn to that's his that's his dream and is doing it. So I think I don't have to go to stories over here. He's the big story. We're going to do a bookm about MDY about >> I want to do a book about you. I'm sure I'm I'm sure the hundth person, right? >> I'll tell you what I tell people. I'm not so interesting. I just know a lot of interesting people. >> Uhhuh. Okay. Great. So um thank you very much. All right. You're an interesting guy. I I know you for a long time. >> You're very interesting. Well, I I'll tell you something personal that six months ago, my child and Ellie Stfansky's child both are in the same yeshiva and we had a subunim and I'm sitting there learning with my son and Ellie Stfansky sits down over there and I see he's learning with his son and I look at him I know he's very busy person and he's sitting there learning basm with his son and at that moment I said and this is not going to sound gyic it's going to sound very gyic but I said Ellie Stfansky did it. I want to open a YouTube channel. Right? And at that moment I said he gave me inspiration. I said that and that's why I started doing this. That's was I was I've been writing detra and giving out a duff on the parish every week in Hebrew four pages and I've been doing that for 10 years. And I I I'm involved with a radio station in in America that I've been doing. I've been playing your music as well. And um and at the same time someone just that day asked me why don't you start going on video. So I really deep down uh I never said this to anybody and I never I never talked about this. But he really >> you know I think it's an insult to say if he he did it I could do it. But but I really mean that. I really mean it that you know he he he was just I I saw what he' done >> and Barashem um I'm gl I'm glad that I got that inspiration from him. Listen, keep on keep on uh doing what you're doing helping clients. I'll introduce the clients als to things to to to think about to to to not just look at the life on a surface level to try to to try to ask yourself questions. What does Hashem really want from me? I think every person has to ask that question. That's asked himself asked himself that question. It wasn't easy for any person any person who tries to do things in life. People ask them who says you should do this who whom who who died and appointed you you know speaker for whoever is doing big things gets gets pushed back and and it's okay it's part of it trying to say that to throw spokes in your wheels and and it's all good but they're teaching they're teaching us ask yourself what does Hashem want me to do what can I do for just because I'm doing this doesn't mean I shouldn't be doing something else. Just because I'm in America doesn't mean necessarily I shouldn't be an answer. Ask yourself tough questions. Don't just live I think what you're saying here on this show is don't just live your life without asking questions. Ask yourself what am I supposed to be doing? What's my tki? What am I where am I supposed to be? I think you're at I think that's what you're that's what I'm getting out of this show and that's a very good thing. And uh you know all these people are doing their thing. Each one learned from someone else got from I don't know where who was Mashia on him but somebody was mash on him. It's like a pyramid scheme but without any downside. Everybody's helping someone else to to say you know I can also do big things in the world. What is my task? What does Hashem want me to do? And I think that's a question everyone should be asking themselves. And then and then we should be working towards fulfilling our tap. That's really what Hashem wants us to do. And if you ask yourself, what's your tough? I'll end with this. What's your tough? You ask, how do I know? I wasn't born with a little little slip attached to my pinky toe telling me what my task is. So how do I know? So I think we can answer. The answer is you have to ask yourself, what inspires me? What excites me? Usually your tough lies in the things you're naturally drawn to in life. That's your place. That's your muk of expertise. That's the place you can use to help Israel. >> Rabbi Seltzer, thank you for joining us on this Hidabut podcast. Thank you very much. >> Thank you for having me. Luck with everything. [Music]