Unavoidable Shabbos Borer Questions - Rav Zev Smith

sh like to welcome everyone to to fromi on unavoidable shabas questions like B to the sponsors of sponsored by the great sponsoring 71851 18651 email IST janet.com Smith what would you say to the following question someone had a pile of clean laundry and a basket and there was different type of clothing there was socks and and undergarments and shirts and obviously there wasn't the problem of a but he wanted to put it away so the cover but it's a real you have so many different types of clothing all mixed up it's very much a so you had an he's not going to select it takes one at a time folds it up and puts it away and he felt it maybe that's not B because he's not selecting anything particularly he's using what's called he's taking one and putting it away question number two where someone had soup a lot of leftover soup and they didn't want save it someone had started it so he want he spilled it into the sink and he hoped the soup went down and the vegetables and the Lux remains in the strainer and then he'll throw that out he doesn't want to throw in the garbage cuz then it's going to leak problem of course is that you using a sink strainer which is a CLE Bo isn't that a question of Bo and the third question is someone had a a different a whole bunch of different Keys now if you take the key you need now to use now it's okay but but he was going to take a key for later so he had a brainstorm he'll take all the keys and throw it on a table scatter out the keys so each key is separate no if it's not a if it's not mixed up it's no so the question is can he scatter a and then take what he wants even for later because if the assumption is that not there's no there's no Isa he might be right or maybe throwing is the ISA so so as we'll see this and probably 20 more questions a part of today's fabulous sug as you'll see it's a beautiful sugya the com denominated it's not the simple Bo of taking the from the it's not like the Mish where you had some or you had the kernels of wheat you take out the the the stones you take out the pus this is actually a different a different form either you're scattering it or you're taking one at a time but I think to really to come to a Clarity I will'll try to reduce all into one simple question is the is the of selecting of sorting or maybe the is is the end result that you end up with everything separate as long as everything is separate that's the is now this is not at all splitting here as we'll see then is the rest of the she because in a regular case of Bo you do both you take out Theus you take out the the the stones and now you have the wheat so you have a and you have the end result but let's think for example scattering you take a whole bunch of keys a real t a real bu situation and you throw it on the table so you didn't do throwing is out a but the end result it's all and the rest of the questions will leave the dispense as we proceed but it's all totally in this simple SH now let's make it a little more G the question sounds is much better than it sounds and it needs a good terit we know to be a there has to be a there has to be a positive benefit if a person carries garbage out of his house to get it out of his house that's it's not why because you have to have a positive benefit that has to be constructive and not question we said is taking the from the what are you doing with the you're tossing into the garbage so every by definition is and every by definition should be but it can't be because one so the Kash is very good but the ter is even more p and that is we're making a mistake the is is not taking out Theus per se the is as the yes in beginning of says the is let's say you have a CL a cluster of grapes and there are a few ratten grapes you don't want to serve it with ratten grapes so you have two choices you could take the good from the bad take off the good grape that would be you're eating but let's say you first take out all the rotten grapes the is is not taking out the rotten grapes the is is being M the the good grapes so and really rash as you'll see test points it out Rashi also says the of is ah is very much I'll give you a fantastic Marsh if someone would do either too early or too late the question is what do you mean you're not using he's not using the blood or Thea so why is it there it is he's Ming the child from from an oral he becomes a m that is the of in two words now we can understand which one of the basic of that even though is but if you have the three preconditions then is perfectly and I'll make it easier to remember is the of the three preconditions so the is the AL is you take from the you want to eat grapes take the good grapes and ask but don't take out the rotten grapes is y don't use a k we'll soon see there's a special Isa of using a k for example the using the the the the sink strainer the the that you have on the sink to to separate the the copal pods from the from the water so even though you're taking the good and you want to drink the water right away qu to many that's why is it cuz you're using a k you have that easy filter you have that strainer so even if you're taking the good don't use a k so you have to have and Y and maybe most important it's beautiful explanation the because the of the when it's it's not a you're eating tur allows you to eat eat grapes but do it right so therefore you could understand the three if you take the from you're taking the good grapes that's you're taking the why oh you want to perfect the that's you're using a k you want it to be a much better type of Bo that's awesome and most obvious if you're taking it to use later then it can't be there you're not eating you're doing it for later so this is the challenge of you should know either it's or I don't want say what but you'll look in you'll come to the conclusion that the for us are no one's carrying in most cities not you know you can go through the the majority on not thees you'll find by B you don't find any other the first five the says either it's one after the other five that's the challenge of either it's and that's why the quotes the famous that it's impossible to keep shabas if you don't learn and the example he gives is you have to learn so basically we have the following that is the is the now before we go further I want to make two points that are obvious but it's I to mention if someone has different items on a table but they're not together that's they're scattered there's no why not because the Al has to be a if it's not mixed up if it's not a few things mixed up it's not a b and we'll soon give examples but today's discussion when we have a if there's no there's no and also all the same there's no even though some are bigger some are smaller a bigger a small that's and is no so we're talking about a situation okay now let us try to apply this more specifically what's the with our question a person has many mean but he doesn't select he doesn't sort he throws it on the table and now it's no more so this seems to be was serving the and as Rashi explains he had a basket with pis different pis and he was worried about Bo so what did he do he took the basket and threw it I guess in a respectful way in front of and the and the fruit scattered and each person took their own he was worried about but we'll use the word where by scattering it he didn't do it happened on its own and therefore it was M now wait a second you told me he started with a he ended up with an antiu why isn't also the actual pzer of scattering evidently the is not the you have to have a and that's why a whole group of will say based on this gar that the ISA is doing a scattering p is not a if you look at the the they all say really Rashi says it scattering a mixture is not a you have so you're lucky but without a it can't be so is exactly what we're looking for scattering is not a and it's I wish should be as simple as it seems but quot the he held that scattering could be because I guess because of I had learn he says he was throwing the fruit to in front of the to eat it for them and for him it was was so the was so our simple question is not as simple as we would like it to be but we could definitely say that and that's where we're going to go that obviously either H that is or we held that but I get comfortable comfortable to say because we establish the following is that is okay now let's move on let's say a person is making a Sim and he gets back a lot of trays of cake you know part of the the you have more leftovers than the cake you started with somehow there's always a lot of leftovers so someone did him a favor and took all the cake and put it into one of these cake trays so now he has 50 pieces of different cakes I'm this good different all mixed up so he he doesn't he can't put it he can't put that big box in the refrigerator the freezer so he has an a he's going to take first all the layer cake and put it in one bag then he take the roll cake and before long all the cake is in its own bags and they'll put in the freezer question what are you doing why is that Bo you're not eating it so you had a very interesting line of defense is when you have andus here it's both same question you have pieces of games and you want to put it away for next time so it's all what's the problem you know what we're saying a new type of het it's not a now let me be clear let's say you're B and you have a tray of cake and it's fine but the problem is someone just which happens unfortunately took a bite of it and put it back or cracked it in half or dropped a piece of Herring on the tray and you can't serve guests you know something that's not appealing so you take out the half bitten cake or the piece of Herring that I understand is a because the half bitten cake is Aus but our box of cake is all edible all maybe we're going to assume two is not is not and not and indeed the inot B seems to say that he says that if you have two one now one later that's a that's T cuz the one you want now is the the other one you don't want or now he does say but he has at least the maybe to it would not be us however for us this is very hard to accept because this has all the taking cake from mixed up cake is a no is that you're separating you're looking for da this cake and that cake and once you finish you have a real what's the later you could use this Lea cake and the cream cake so how could it be M you have a you have a technicality that is to so what and indeed of he says the P isic but it can't be aop this a regular but he had something very beautiful and he says that the the discuss is someone that has he's made before shabas he may he set up mustard that it should ooze out and it become mustard but part of the way of making I never made mustard but you take a a a you crack an egg a raw egg you put it onto the mustard and that sort of makes it work better so the is will say if you crack an egg and take the yolk because you want to put it into your milk that was their artificial milk so that's okay cuz it's Bo you're taking the good from the bed but if you take out the white that's because yoke and white are two meaning so why does the say on shabas you allow to put this egg into a with with the is you're separating to mean with with why you know why it's not because both the Yol and the white are going the so there's no there's no T there's no there's no but oure you're separating to It's a Wonderful t now you have separate layer cake and separate roll cake so this is why the poim very strongly reject the wrote and going to say the next that we have the actually this probably a new word not with an means selecting like of Min if you take out all the layer cake and then all the roll cake is Bo why even though there's no pus but you're doing a m of selecting and the end result there is a wonderful tick and the last of our questions and that will apply more specifically is a question we began with with the basket of laundry a real very different type of clothing so to take out all the socks and then all the shirts that's me and that's us but here we have a better alternative I'm going to pick up one at a time I'm not going to even look what it is I'll take it out and I'll put it in his place maybe the ISA of is selecting sorting when I'm looking for something I'm looking for the roll cake or I'm looking da for a sack that's but if I do what's called or in English I'm taking randomly I'm not selecting I'm not sorting maybe the is is choosing selecting or sorting which I'm not doing it's or maybe the ISA is separating random separation is also aome so let me add a little more Gish and then we we'll see how this suff really is a very beautiful suff let's say a mother wants to make a child snack for shabas morning so the child would go to schol and she could sleep late if she if he wakes her up I need a snack she can't sleep late so Friday night she prepares a snack so he could go to school and she sleeps late fine to peel an orange Friday night for the child is B why it's not to take out one piece of cake from a of different types of cakes is also why but let's say the child is a m of a child he doesn't care and cake is good as long as he has snack he doesn't care what can the mother take Friday night put it in a bag and leave it for the child snack he answer is yes why because it's not a t voice and once he doesn't care so it's so the is M because it's not a ter voice but our case where all the cakes are mixed up and you want to separate at them why is that a and indeed the overwhelming majority of Po hold that is a and the reason the biggest R is you're taking one from the other and you're ending up with a wonderful end result that's why our laundry for example should be a it's a tickling and a to put it simple is selecting or sorting it is separating and the biggest r that this is also is the discuss in great detail why is it to peel an orange even to eat it right away you're taking the bad from the good you're taking off the the peel if there's no way other the way of doing it that's so we see we're comfortable if there would be a it applies to so many cases to mixed up silverware mixed up cake toys clothing why don't we find any mention of that to be the m c struggles you come to sh you put your coat down in in the back room when you're about to leave you realize that there were 37 people that like you also put their code in the back room now your coat is buried someplace in a pile so he struggles what's the he has a new of Sil why say the is called so the says this but the truth is many say it but he says it clearly in Sim people have this preconceived notion that is it's not true it's you're separating with a and he proves that one of the r he says is from Rabbi Rabbi had to scatter the fruit that's not a very nice way of welcoming guest why didn't RBI take so he says that basically is not a and he says I know people might think it's a so when I was in I went to both and and they agreed that and there a beautiful that basically is not a because you're doing both a of sorting one from the other even though you're not targeting one from the other and I must mention that in he quotes his father that held that is not a and he Compares it to scattering and he says that the to take a specific one but by definition is not a now he says said it was he says not true saidman holds you're allowed to wash silverware that are all M different typ all mixed up and put them away in their place why obviously because K is mul taking one at a time but the truth is it's not a it's not a r that that that cuz there you're first taking it out to wash it that's take out one to wash once you have it in your hand you're not to to it back in the so the taking out to wash it is not that's why it's m but I must tell you that I found another from that seems to was asked by the r of the he says when a busy day shab is a busy day we have stacks of of what do I do after a few hours there's no left on the shelves so ra writes back I have for you take and put it back in its place now wait a sec you're talking about a of and one is different than the other you can't use a t for for laning you can't use a for laning so obviously I'm not saying anyone is aist but they they're different so he says so we have this following conclusion in the very basic question of which is a little better than because you're not targeting any specific men seem to be it's not a like scattering but most what do you mean if you have a mixture and you take out one after the other that's also and since it's definitely a that should be that should be us now I'm not going to but I will tell you one thing most but more than that and this is the the guiding force in the one of the earliest inim discusses what in his times was common they were a tray of different types of fish lined up one next to the other now we don't do that today but we have the same thing by trays of cake by Kish or trays of C cuts by aim and he wants is there problem of of separating let's say the roll cake from the the layer cake it's laid nicely one next to the other but it's a full tray so talking about fish but who he says a very strong that two two that are so different should be so but since the says is so I cannot be M unless which I don't have so look at the look at the the of the he says it's Unthinkable to say it's but if I don't have a I'm not going to play around with an is that's a healthy attitude someone as great as a was afraid to make a move on chabas unless he knows it's perfectly mut so we say let's review the that the is is scattering is not a is is and is also now let's apply this more specifically I'll start with an interesting sh someone has a cluster of grapes and he knows he wants to eat grapes fine take the good from the bad but he's aaz and he didn't know that the grape look good but most of it was rotten now takes it out he it's Aus what do he do now does he have to eat it because otherwise he took so the answer is relax first of all if it's slightly edible part of it's edible so then it's m not says you're allowed to strain water if you would drink it without the straining because it's not it's not pus it's edible but even let's say the grape was totally rotten you took it out as a just like you can't change from a rotten grape into a good grape you can't change a into a and even if you don't like that I'll tell you what's more what's more compelling this is not worse than a typical M he picked up something thinking that it was T but it really was so Mas is not awesome so that case is not a problem he thought it was M fine in fact and both point the same at the same thing let's say a person by mistake tookus his hand went to the wrong place tookus it's not an Isa it's not more than a m now of course what you can do is pick up one at a time and I'll look whatever it is if it's I'll eat it if it's not I'll throw put it to the side because since there more than you're risking a suff next question someone has a bowl of soup that the child took one one taste I don't like it he doesn't want to spill it into the garbage cuz then the soup will leak out so the Min is you throw it into the sink you put into the sink the soup goes down the Lu and the vegetables remain in the strainer and then you take that strainer and you put in the garbage so we're assuming that the the the leftover lution and and and and and vegetables is not M it's still edible but wait a second we have a very serious B problem you're using a strainer which is a c so even if you eating it right away it's a it's pus now to say that putting the soup in in in the strainer is like throwing the veeg the the fruit is like P is wrong it's not like throwing you're putting it in the strainer yet somebody this question says I don't see the sh what's the question what do you mean ask and he bles at the end I don't see a sh what why is not a sh it seemed like but for us it's because is a tick there's no tick it's to and as early as the he says very brief and you know where this is that I told you earli in you put an egg onto a strainer to help it work with the with the mustard are you separating Yol from white with a CLE the ter say you're not using that egg egg it's both and that's why B prove this that it isus andless there is no in fact someone wrote he heard from a that before shabas takes out the strainer from a sink there shouldn't be so told him back he's not really gaining anything because a little lower than the regular strainer there's another strainer built into the sink so if it's USA you can't use the sink on chabas that's not the what the is he says andas is not a problem now someone asked an intelligent question if you have a table after a big kidish full of a lot of soiless you take out the soda bottles to put it in the recycling department recing garbage so really the question is if you're going to get back the nickel then you have to worry about but you're not you're not going back for the nickel but a little of a the the pis points this out if the recycle will end up being used again he considered that it's an for someone else but I don't think we're we're we're doing it for yenim I think we're doing it not to get a ticket if anything so I think that as long as you're not not going to claim the that that refund the it's okay consider question common question you're given the job at Friday night take out the kalas for the the day suda they're in the freezer take them out so we'll have ready for the next the next suda now you open the freezer door and good you look at the freezer it's like to find the in the freezer you have to say 10 times to find it now if you free not like that so I'm talking about the is some place in the Frieza the question is is it to take out the freezer from the freezer the that you need for the sud it's not you're not using it a you'll take it out 2 hours before the suda and enough time to defrost it is not convinced that that's means you have to take it out enough time to prepare it to get it ready you peel eggs you allow to do it before the suda you peel vegetables but you're not preparing it it's defrosting on its own so he has this biges that you have to take it out before you before you either use it or work on it and with a frozen there's no but can say why do you look at it like that why don't we say that is the time you need to prepare for a sud like if you have a big so you L to pair a half hour before the suda so if he needs three hours for the to thow out to defrost so what's the AL 3 hours and that's what I think the is take it out at night for the next day probably is too early but the time you need for the to Def Frost but the EM is very H it's a good to get used to you know that every shabas morning right now you're giving a job taking from the freezer so before shabas take the kala from the dark recesses of the freezer put it in the front of the freezer or on the freezer door a place that is no longer in this and then you can take it out whenever you want because if it's not it's not okay someone ask me is an he sticks his hand into the freezer and without moving any he could feel with the and then he'll take it out I told him you're right you're not moving from but you're still taking out the if it's not so you're back to the same sh you're not gaining much but one thing is true if someone has a whole draw of different items all mixed up so to take out the pus is a problem but if he puts his hand into the drawer without moving the pus and finds the thing that he needs and takes it out so that would not be a problem of Bo Bo is taking away Theus not moving it I'll give you another muscle I'm not saying this is very appealing but let's see a person has a a piece of dirt a hair or bug on his on in a soup so there a whole of the Taz if you allow to take out the the the bug with a little bit soup but he has a better he blows the silus to the side and eats from the other side don't bother me I won't bother you that's not a bad answer cuz he didn't perfect the the it's still a moving to the side but if it's still is not a but again in the case of the of things that a person knows he's going to e on chabas chabas put it on the side it won't be a another important to mention is the women want to go to sh shabas morning but you have set the table before sh before you go to sh because you can't set the table after you come home so you have to realize that setting the table could involve a Bo issue why let's say the dishes the cut we wash Friday night and they're all in the sink drainer so now all the silverware are in ter to take one out and set at the table with this one this one you don't need you don't need the soup spoon you need the fork you need the spoon whatever it may be but taking from a mixed up Cutlery that's not being used right away not is Bo she wants to go to SCH but that not La you can't turn non so the a is we'll soon see a possible a but basically to set the table you have to make sure there's no bo now just as obvious is if the silver are in the drawer you have enough to use for shabas day without without washing and you open the drawer there's knives and forks lined up separately that's not a that's not even the case of each one is separate so you could set the table whenever you want because it's not a it's not a Bo at all now I'm gonna ask you a very important question let's say the woman wants to go to shabas and set table before she goes but but all the silverware used so the question is take one piece of silverware from in the sink and you have to wash it right wash one at a time take which anyone randomly wash it and don't toss it back into a t put the forks on one side of the of the C take the next one oh a knife put that knife in a different area wash one at a time randomly and put each one back in a different area so what you're doing is you're starting off of washing dishes which is mut no there's no boy washing dishes and you're not reming a with that it's a but you end up making but the TR you're not ending at making and that's why the himself who has a beautiful that he feels is in the next he says but this is perfectly mut because there's no at any given time taking out a a a a to wash you're not taking it out to separate you're allow to wash dishes so don't put it back in put them separately using the hisam of taking it out and keeping it now a if someone didn't do that washed and put them all into a pile of of of of of of dishes or Cutlery then you recreated the ter now if someone didn't think put the the silverware into a common Bowl now it's all mixed up and they very much want to go to SCH there is another take the T and Scatter on the table now don't miss it goes on the floor you have to wash it again we have to have a big table or take a group at a time scatter it put it on the table and set it up and then more and Scatter it if you're using the eight of P that would be a good a the next question is the we began with the pile of laundry so it's a of different meaning a real but you want to just fold it up and put each one in the drawer because you want to be cover chis really there should be a problem in folding laundry why because you're not doing it after shabas you you have a small house you don't know where to put the basket of laundry so you could put everything in the drawer and it's for now so let's assume it's not a but why isn't it so it's interesting that maybe this is the same head I'm picking one out at a time to fold it not to sort it once I have the sacks in my in the the the unders of my hand I folded it I'll put it in the right draw in other words we make it into two steps folding and then putting away so just like washing and putting away is okay maybe folding and put away is okay but the Em Say many P can say that that's wrong because step one of putting in the drawer is folding it so washing dishes and and putting it separate is okay because washing is distinctly different than b but folding laundry is two halves of a hole you fold it and you put it away so folding is part of the but I must tell you the who's Mel he's Mel even by picking up listen to this picking up from from a ter of wet Cutlery that are all together picking up one and drying it and putting it on the table because even drying it is a now if drying is at AA it's looked at independenta and I think certainly laundry folding is a now you want to put it in the right place why not so although some with folding laundry because it's considered part ofra but we do see those that are make the shabas and gim is make by folding laundry as well evidently he felt you're dividing into two actions folding laundry is okay and putting this place is no longer the best a of course is put away before shabas you avoid the perhaps of the issue of and also a next question and is when you have a can a lot of children or grandchildren and toys all over the place and it's p can be dangerous when there you know people trip on toys on the floor so no doubt about it if there's a of toys and you separate them that's is not a so the truth is the best a is sweep everything to the side make a big till after shabas and to leave things around people trip and it's not safe move it to the side and it's safe and after shabas you after shabas we wash the dishes and we look at the mail and we clean up the but don't forget that ch's approach you know toys is a very much a a a potential T situation so basically we have to make sure that we don't have from a into a Bo situation people have a sh they have a stack of plates after the suda big plates the smaller plates the fish plates and they want to put into the dishwasher now first the question is why isn't that keep it where it is but that already the P can say I don't want to keep it out it's unsightly some there's not a good smell I put a dishwasher out of sight out of mind so it keeps the smell away it keeps the the unsightly appearance of the dishes but in the very last if you have a a mixture of different plates different sizes that's a t and you're putting the smaller plates in the smaller compartment and the biger and the bigger department so besides a it's also now this is notus fromus everybody say why because the plates you're going to use it's not like down the sink you're going to use the plates you're going to use the small plates and the big plates so this is a and perhaps a so of course the when you when you clean up the table take all the plates the big ones and put them in one pile that's then you could put in the dishwasher as it is then you have the smaller plates the medium plates as long as it doesn't become a there's no problem of the issue is when you have a situation then separating is a problem now the right way to do it is take a few big placeat put it in the dishwasher in a place that it fits in and you have to sh put each one in the separate rack to put each one plate in a separate area necessary for shabas and that should be done after shabas as I told you earlier toys laundry it's all the same question it either could be could be the best is either before shabas clean up or on shabas keep it SE not don't let it become a t or best thing is move it to the side and there was and then do it after shabas as far as cleaning a table after the suda so typically in a normal civilized home even though is a big there a lot of food going lot of a lot going on the table but if you look at it it doesn't give it the perception as a now again it's very hot to give a cloud but let's say you have cups and there's a piece OFA and there's a Bena but if it doesn't look like a balagan doesn't look like a then probably it's not a again it's hard to give a cloud but the shabas assumes on a family shabas table it's not a no it's not a it's not I'm in a camp if you have a like my camp we have kind of a big so we have like 14 B on a pretty small table the table after the sud looks like a bomb hit it a real so if it's real you have to act differently but I'll tell you the specific shallow we had in our camp day everything's disposable so it's very easy you don't have to clean up just throw the whole thing in the garbage but the problem is that some some place in this T there's a soul Shaker it has to take out you have to use for the next suda and he can't find it so that's pretty good indication it's a t so what's Thea he's using for the next suda 6 hours later that's not ala I told them not even sure it's an but if you want to eat some salt now but even that's a which say is not a good idea so I told him he said what's the what's the so I told himash once said in a similar situation who said everything if you have a situation if it's not who say a I'm not a DI so maybe again you keep the on the side not but again if you're talking about and not what can have to could it be so this is the same CL in any situation of cleaning up now again I'll give you another dgma a person's and he wants to make it and so every so often he goes to the table and cleans up cleans up all the this the cups that were used and the the napkins and the the plates that were used so it's presentable for the next wave of guess now think that think about that if the situation is a so what are you doing you're taking the even now again the very skeptical give a but it's really tall in a perception is it mixed up or is it separate but again the Nar is to but I don't play around with thees so really the should try to do it more often taking away the pus before it becomes a balagan with that's a situation of T but again there's no claw but the best Aid would be to try to avoid somehow the situation of a ter I'll give you another Dogma but it's all the same idea someone asked me once he has a plate after someone finish eating so there's some bones a little leftovers and there's the cutlery the silver are still on in the same plate so he wants to throw out the the leftovers but not the the silverware is that Bo he's not using the silverware now so he's taking the good from the bad that's not laa but that logic dictates that's not a you see when you have cakes different cakes lying one next to the other that gives the perception of a t but silverware in a plate with a bone and a little bit vegetables maybe a piece of cougle it's just not a it's the the the the tray of cakes or fish different type of fish gives the perception that different cakes mixed up but this is very different very very distinctly different so that's probably why the mins we do take off the silverware we're not going to use it right away but we consider it's not a for example another Marshall as someone served their main course and he doesn't want to he's not going to eat the vegetables or the cougle whatever it is before he starts said please take off my plate I don't want this and put it back I didn't touched it untouched you can still use it is that Bo 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person that cares about other people wants to put back swarm so there's enough or you have to put it back for the next person so he's putting it back for some someone else but not for now so he's so ironically he's putting back and with that if it's a which is very sad so besides like says don't don't and the besides all that it's to make a pile of T which is is a very serious problem so that's why we have to always put back now someone is but I use so many it's already a I told you know what the real a is when you use it take it out use it and don't just put it back in the r v put it back on the Shelf cuz someone else wants might use it or you could take a few Swarm at a time let's say you put in your hand three swarm you could even lay out on your hand that it's not even a pile so it's not a and then you can put each one back even for later use in other words put back swarm that's number one number two how do you put it back by avoiding a and putting each one back in the right place 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then all the cups shons Stern sporing also learn by the middle of the [Music] suff this year tens and thousands of throughout the world 100,000 or more contact one of or email.com or call 718 851 8651 have a great after of [Music] fore right okay say you know to seek Him is unavoidable seek avoidable shab questions or Smith we learn first of all is an unusual either it's m or and many have said said the challenge of it so it has to be learned properly but basically the CL is that Bo is not getting rid of Theus per se it's that's why and either as we said it has to be a and two or more mean but basically once you have a situation the het would be either to be to scatter them throw the keys or the silverware until they're distinctly separate which which means separating from is still the and even although they but most that's also a form of both and the person that took a spoiled grape spoiled by mistake doesn't have to eat it it was a throwing soup with pieces into a sink strainer 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