Summary: Challenging Zimun Issues - Rabbi Yakov Zev Smith

this interesting somehow three is the icca somehow ten is the yikka but one thing is certain there are three sukim that at least allude to the mitzvah of semen the pasik of kishen hashem and also as hashem and that's why it's not just a question of yeah or not it's we're talking about a mitzvah which could be the rise and more so if it's not necessary it's it turns into a terrible brachal of atolla so that's why basically the aloha is if you have a minion of 10 and you either forgot to say a volcano he didn't realize you have a minion the kits are 10 people benched and did not say shame hashem they didn't say ali keno you can't do it over you it's video but with three and like the hezbollah said probably is because it's really the same mitzvah but you you lost the myla so a mila is not making but it's like making a shahakal on the eights that he hates with the evidence you can't be froome and make an eighth because i want to do it right because now it's chrome that's a bronchol bottle or our case siemens of 10 is definitely better than three but once you said three you weights and as the rav called rav and others create some obviously but you can't repeat azimon and say hello keno you're yachts with the first one ain't seem lima freya usually means that after benjing you can no longer make a demon but in this context it means since you were yoitza so keep it as that and you can't make another semen as we show there are different parts of the siemens a bisonville invention is just saying we accepted your message and the man repeats it is the invitation but the real simon is barack and that's why it's very important that the mazama has to respond to the it's his mitzvah of zeeman that's barack obama if they just said the work or just started will say correctly and there's no reason to repeat the rabbi's shame if he said and the tiba said it's also good and you yield to that way as well the question is if the the he and the said without only kenu now what can he say barak ali keno so that we said it to mccoy because could be it's like a different mitzvah you can't group the two and basically it's probably better that he should say baroque even though he knows now that there is 10 people if there was less than 10 and they benched with a lakehead by a mistake so after all is said and done you it's about the evidence you can't make another siemen i what does it hurt to make another semen but basically this demon was made and keep it as it is if you realize after the mezaman said the varga kenu so then berkshim and start again or better yet let the islam say the work without elect without a canoe and keep it as it is if an impatient person started to bench he lost the opportunity of zeeman but he could answer and he's not yoitsa so it's be of course you have to not be impatient but once he started and holding past he no longer is allowed to he can't be uh the best thing would be to wait for this person to get the ayah and then make a regular zeman and he could answer regularly if it involves zebra waiting till he gets talia castrano so you're allowed to be mazaman with him being bracha lebron he could answer not be itsa but help the two or the nine that need him in the middle of the first bracha if they realize that they need him even though he's the middle of the broadcast the suffolk maybe he could even answer during the bracha and beyoza which of course is the bikridish but it's probably better to wait at least until after although he probably will lose obviously but what could you do you can't make a suffix half stick during the first barakah if he just said barakato hashem you could convert it on then even though it's not so polished but in this case that's the right course of action and start to siemen as if nothing happened during ashiyatsu if he's going to miss the zeman otherwise let him again obviously answer the siemen and then afterwards continue where he's holding an ashiyatsa it's like a bracharucha i saying we did say if a person if they did makes if they benched with zemon and they forgot to add the number they bench over without a new semen if they didn't make a demon and they all forgot to say with say aloe vera then because they never made a demon and we could rely on at least being a suffocating of zima they should make a zeman without an and with that they could be a to the semen square