Soaking - When Is It Like Cooking? - Rav Zev Smith

like to welcome everyone to from soaking when is it like cooking 718 851 8651 email.com someone asked me he wanted to make cucumber salad on chabis obviously there was no question of B but he was doing and he wanted to know is any other problem he heard maybe there's the problem of what he called he wasn't sure what that means then I start of thinking back we this sh comes up on PES when you want to if you use Roma lettuce that is not grown in Greenhouse you want to get out the bugs so you soak it in water or vinegar or both and there again is a question of K there are some schnaps as we'll see are that are aged in Sherry casks that means met wooden barrels of wine that has a of Y also as we explain one day I'll never forget I was I was much younger and I was I went to's house with shab in the bathroom I saw that he had the Water full of the bath was full of water and the US were in the water I guess he wanted to keep it fresh so this and many more the for today and that's the concept of K now you're probably wondering first of all why is where's the bishel what's the shil with making cucumber salad on chabas how did that come to bishel and what's the common denominator between so that's really the beauty of today's Su it's like we always like to enjoy one that gives us you know a guidance in in many many other places in so the emph that the of these two words and other places in actually three other places in where says now what does that mean so here's important to understand this now we can really apply ITA when we a person Cooks cooks and together so the heat causes the two foods to sort of merge and the T goes from one to the other now both become one so bishel the heat of bishel combines two Foods makes them both cooked together the soaking something that's K leaving something in water we'll soon see 24 hours or more has a effect of Kish now we soon see it's not really a bishell it's not really full bishell but it's enough to impart ble from one to the other I'll give you a muscle you can relate to cucumbers are cucumbers but then you see there a food pickles they look different they taste different the texture is different pickles are much softer but the pi but the the pickles that comes from cucumbers were never cooked so how did it change taste texture and feel the Terr is it was kush now I do know that pickles are a a more easier example of kage because it had those very strong pickling spices but that's the of Kish when you soak something we'll soon see for 24 hours it has a partial Bissell effect I'll give you a muscle maybe that's a better muscle if meat falls into juice orange juice and you keep it there for 24 hours if you're kind of sore if you're a maven when you taste the juice you'll taste a meat flavor and in the meat you'll taste a little bit juice because that's the when something sits in 24 hours it has an effect in quotes his father his father says that really but his father said all agree coverage has an impact the question is is it a strong enough time and the she that's make hold not enough of a but it's definitely a at least a but we without a doubt but let's be clear k is not Bish is K with and just like if you got last week instead of a you don't become aen cuz you're only a so is but as we'll see it's not a full-fledged Bishop but we shouldn't take things lightly the in it's one actually he quotes the that is and if someone has a he knows for sure it was Kover he doesn't know if it was long enough 24 hours so because is no simple matter now how long do you need to make so in the garas that I mentioned it does not say the fish how many hours we find this in a different a very interesting example of there was a mouse that was found in a barrel of beer and it was there for quite a while and theor said says that the beer was awesome unless of course the connected the mouse why do you need sh why is the beer tra you didn't cook the mouse in the beer the M the the the beer was cold but since the mouse was in the beer for more than 24 hours so says so that's the that 24 hours if you want we could do a little better because there's a very part of the rush also has a like but he asked it more he quotes a Infamous P that was called says that eat that if if a fly falls into their the wine they take it out and they drink it but touches the wine they don't drink it so according to if life falls into the wine is koser so why is the beer why is the mouse in the beer a problemin from the rush rush like T because if a fly falls into the into the wine you take it out within 24 hours not but the mous is in the beard for 24 hours but then he he brings a that for 20 the cutter Point 24 hours also says you have to have B if you soak cheese in meat or vice versa it's only why because not bishel so we soon see from here we see that even if it's Bish but it's not fully Bish but the's is if you s milk in meat for 24 hours that's when it becomes so we have two more garas to this beautiful and basically what we see is is aome but you need 24 hours to make it okay now if it's less than 24 hours you have to make sure no is left over but this is the cloud one more point and then we'll apply this let's say you have something that's not just water let's say you soaked something in vinegar now here's a question we could say that vinegar in other areas of is called which means something that's really has a stale taste but when you have has the ability to revitalize a stale taste has certain in in so now the question is maybe if you soak something in water or a bland liquid you need 24 hours but let's say you soak something in vinegar and pickle juice which is much sharper maybe the pick the the coverage procedure is also quicker and that makes sense and indeed that's the rush in in he speaks about in English is brine I don't know in the which they know less of TI or brine they're both words aign but he says in other words is a very strong actually could be a but for us it's is salt water so Z the rush if you soak something in salt water the coverage process is much much quicker all you need is a time when you put something on the fire it starts to boil why because the property of salt is that it gets things moving you know salt says when you have ice you want to get rid of the ice what do you do you put on salt how does it work salt has a sort of a AAL property that it's salt is a chemical don't forget so Zak that when you put food in salt water it the the Bish the is much much less time in fact the P say it's between six and 18 minutes but not more than 18 minutes and since we have to assume that after 6 minutes in SE in brine in salt water now this has to be qualif if with one more nuda okay tear but who uses tear today we don't have water except for how about vinegar how about lemon juice how about any other so the EM is we could say well if it's it's like here especially vinegar you know today with the vinegar if you look at the vinegar it's interesting the old time vinegar P say when you spill it on the ground it starts to Bubble our vinegar is duded if you look at the vinegar it's 5% 5% acidity that's unbelievable but the the original vinegar was very very strong so here my question is okay TI is 6 minutes how about vinegar even today's vinegar but it's still pretty strong a lemon juice so we might say well is but wait a second it makes sense to say since the is we don't say that by vinegar so this very question is what we have to clarify for the rest of this year and the without when when he quotes the T quotes the that matter of factly if you in vinegar it's the same Shear a much quicker she like we said of six minutes and this is quoted by him in if you soaked it in or it's like we said 6 minutes he applies this in a very practical way let's say you soaked yaps in a k so you didn't cook it in a k but if you kept it of which we said a six minutes the K becomes I I put how did it become is 6 minutes not 24 hours however the sh on our is shocked because the m in one sim early he equates beer and with any other liquid apparently it's only TI but the sh is not finished for in also doesn't make sense cuz if is because that's not true by any other and therefore a lot has been written but I must say that the strongly rejects the it's only that 6 minutes other either vinegar or Etc is regular Shear of 24 hours now you can't leave the with so he says maybe the is the real mcoy vinegar that is so strong that's 6 minutes today's vinegar in his times certainly today that it's so diluted that's 24 hours he says we don't agree with that either no vinegar strong not strong no is like tear it's only tear because the salt of it is so let's we have let's apply this first of all we have to realize if you soak it in all agree six minutes type of liquid is I mean holds you need it's six minutes go by any except for so let's apply and we'll see how things turn out let's start with an interesting sh someone asked me this and what happened was he told me that in the back of the refrigerator he realized like a few days later that there was meat touching uh a cheesecake don't ask me how it happened I stopped asking a long time ago but L there must have been a roast in a bag and the bag opened laa because in the back of the fridge the meat the moist meat was touching cheese for more than 24 hours not sure how long but definitely more than 24 hours do we say both the meat and the cheese is so the answer is absolutely not K is not moisture Kish is not germ spreading Kish is the the the the the the chemical process that when you something soaks in liquid it because the liquid softens the item it extracts ble extracts time and imparts B but it's not a ver of touching and that in the end of says for if draw meat touches cheese even though it's moist all you need is or take off anything that was touching and the rest of it is perfectly K but we'll soon use that in a more practical way question let's say a piece of cheese fell into a chicken soup and for sure no doubt about it the only question is you're not sure if if it's so 24 hours or 22 hours in other words it was the suff is if there was enough time in other words my is what's the so until today you would say what's the we just saw so by that's not just one love that's three love and it's much more oh very good so here we come to back that with and again this is very important for for the of the the as I told you points out from the that why because is very real and accurate you can't say that K is mish that's not true factually is not it's with so which all you need to make the is for that cover is enough but to make the what do you need and not so comes out ironically that even realage is only because it's not Bish but more so Z cover be why so again is accurate again it's it does not have an impact question someone had TR for me fell into juice so here if it sat for 24 hours in that juice the juice would be aome because that would be a clearcut example of let's say someone put by mistake TR for soup into a kosher pot and kept the there for 24 hours like most this also now it's not as simple as two foods but since the the tray for soup was sitting for 24 hours in a pot so that's and just like if you cooked the tray for soup in a in a in a kosher part the part is trade so you need 20 for hours to affect I'll give you a more common Marshall today people enjoy using these plastic disposable containers so that plastic according to most pin plastic is by layer so here's the question if I pour hot soup hot chicken soup into the Container so presumably the container becomes F CU might import the into the Container but let's say another for us today if if you put cold chicken soup into the container and you kept it in the refrigerator for hours so now the contain is flak by virtue of K but now I'm going to ask you a child it brings to one of the delightful parts of today's year a big so let's say someone Friday night had a lot of leftover roast with a lot of gravy but it's a big roast you can't fit into the refrigerator so you grab the first pack that you find on the counter you put in the meat with the with the gravy and put it in the refrigerator for Sunday night okay Sunday night comes F the person is is shocked they mistakenly grabbed the mil because Friday morning they made breakfast milina they didn't realize and they put a roast with gravy in a and it's at to Friday till Sunday so this is a nightmare this very delicious roast has go to garbage so as we always say when it comes to especially with throwing out things don't be too quick let me ask you a more serious let's say someone cooked the roast in pot so we would say throw out the pot and throw out the person that did that right the roast also not so not so fast you have to first ask when was the last time you use that if it's if it's more than 24 hours so the is stale is stagnant is meaningless so the rose is perfectly K the pot needs yesu because the pot is have to it now let me point out something that's beautiful let's imagine that you took this that was used for Reena at 10:00 okay you put in meat with roast into the it looks terrible but let's see how it plays itself out because tomorrow shabas morning 10:00 the Bell starts to ring the are reach the expiration date expired no longer are they are stagnant so the Bell the expiration date of the is rang when does it become Kish 8:00 after the suit when you put in the meat so the sh and T the beginning of Al Sim point out when you put a real K in a pot of of mil it's almost never that it affects the meat because expiration date for the milk is way long before the actual commencement of the the now the I know why he writes this but says if person is and you have to be really fast empties out the cleans it and puts the meat in somehow maybe then you could have in this case because he says that when regarding the the the comes after after the pugum part comes so I'm sorry just forget the it becomes stagnant after a minute after second after whatever it is but the the so therefore it comes out that could be if you do it simultaneously maybe then because as he says that this a good very very to mention cuz if someone T to use the plastic container and they put milk milk unless he put it in simultaneously it would not be a problem okay I'll tell you a sh if you have boys these things happen someone used take okay and he used a spoon because he had no patience to find the power of a spoon the he put it back in the refrigerator when did you find it next next shabas so there was a spoon sitting in does that mean the crane becomes mil and don't forget this is triple strength so it's a definitely so we have the same basically because the spoon even if it's it expires before the K adds up with the CR oh but that's not true because is at least and that would Revitalize so if indeed the is considered triple strength certainly is and don't forget there's enough liquid and crane to make it a cage because if it's if it's solid there's no coverage will soon but it makes sense that the crane has become mil which not terrible you could have mil with with with fish even those that fish with with with milk but this is a faint Taste of mil the problem is don't have that CR with f but this is an example of now the best like always always have powerful utensils or minimally maybe use a teaspoon of fix or mil whatever it is because a teaspoon typically even though it's part of the mil set is not is typically not mil you don't use what hot soup it's for tea okay question there's a true story someone asked me I don't know how things happened but it happened he found a piece of meat in the container of cucumber salad I guess one of the children whatever it is maybe they'll pass the tray but kid say I don't ask now but this is the question and he certain it was 24 hours that the meat was sitting in the cucumber salad so here this is not there's no expiration date meat mes last indefinitely so the question is does that mean that the cucumber salad is fles not the end of the world but you can't have fora so this is totally in the original M cuz if vinegar is not even even strong vinegar going to even strong vinegar is not a tear so then it's only a problem if it's at 24 hours if it's a if if it is a tear then even less so here if he said he at 24 hours then a attacko would be a problem now the emis he said he used lemon juice and a lot of sugar that neutralize the lemon juice I said true but once it sat for 24 or more hours so it's not less than water so the only had to would be before 24 hours then I would say you could be make Lem juice even vinegar but this s for 24 hours it's treated as fic as whatever as the meat that it was FL question someone had a a a a basin a shist he put all the FL dishes Friday night and when he washed itas Sunday morning he found the mil dish stuck on the bottom Cutlery whatever it might be so this's a big sug as we know but we're talking about that there's no mes that would make a problem it's it's only the B of the dishes with the Cy so again here we have we certainly have the of the expiration date is expired before this someone said he he one of B told me when he heard the sh that he was in Yesa long time ago sh obviously his D days you know da Ys and d a z CU there's a lot of unclarity in the in the in the D they had a quote unquote they had a a big cup and all the cut they use they stuck into that cup which was water and Friday afternoon the Kabab one B washed all the cutlery for the whole deer and they switched off washing dishes the whole week they wash dishes until someone says what are you doing you have mes of on the and and they went to a who promptly said they have to cash all the dishes so that would be a case of mes that made the water and that would make the dishes a question again if you have boys this is very much someone cut a pickle with a f knife okay so it's F pickle no doubt about it the problem is he put He didn't finish put back the pickle in the jar so now we have a problem because if the pickles fesic that might affect the jar so even if it's not if it holds if you don't hold that it's considered sear but it's sat for 24 hours so we said this many times I'll say it again it's always in the house to have power of a knives cut pickles onions garlic we had childless more than once people made a delicious roast but they they cut the onion with a knife and that's a problem so we always say it's to have three power knives in the house at all time why three well the first one always gets lost the second one they someone cut cake and left it in the freezer together with the cake so hopefully from three you have one and I know there some experience that this is probably pretty accurate so if you start with three hopefully you have at least one but don't use FL flan ice cut or Milan I cutting onions because it ends up with problems question that introduces us to a another beautiful part of the suum this is a someone made mil their own mil ice cream and they Ro it in a bowl that was good to freeze ice cream the problem is they used a by mistake a power of a bowl which is not the end of the world but they want to know does that mean the bowl becomes par like like the ice cream the same shall could be if you made the mil ice cream in a FL suar Bowl but this this that question was par so the EM is it sat from more than 24 hours Maybe cover maybe it gave and this is my M there's no Iration date however here we come to a beautiful because says well liquid is liquid this was a liquid the ice cream before it froze was a liquid it has in other words Frozen ice cream is still like a liquid ice cream however most go with that he says whence something is a liquid and aami it it makes once it starts to once it freezes when it's frozen it can no longer make now the EM is this is very easy to understand because let's you have a food that spoils after a few day so you put it in the freezer it stays why when something is frozen it freezes and in English they freeze it's frozen what that mean nothing moves the the cook of coverage is the moisture the liquid how could it be coverage if it's frozen we said two solids that are touching there's no cover so how could it be cover by a frozen item and all Quote this that if you put the ice cream liquid into a even a FL Su B and it sat until it froze for two hours or three hours whatever time it takes that's not enough once it froze you stop the clock so the ice cream remains kosher even if it's an a FL a bowl the bowl koser and the power bowl is still because when something is frozen it stops the coverage process let's go a step further someone found again I don't know what people will ask me this sh but the true story he found a piece of meat in the mayonnaise and it was there he knows for more than 24 hours now mayonnaise is not frozen so even if you hold mayonnaise that has vinegar is not like tear but it's after 2 24 hours so here we have a third rush we have the rush in the rush this the rush in the the r a sh there was a mouse found in Schuman in in congealed fat so make a long story short the the Assumption was the mouse was there for 24 hours but Z that if you would shake this Schuman slightly would the would the Schuman move not really it's like a like a semi salad he says if you it will the is it Shuma liquid or is it a semi salad if it's a semisolid it's considered like a solid and there's no cish so even if it SATs for 48 hours you have to take out the mouse of course the area around it that has some mus some residue but the schum is on a affected and this is quoted in in so the learn from this an important qualification of k k is only in a liquid we saw Frozen is not a liquid but how about something which is a good example like mayonnaise that mayonnaise is not a liquid and when you shake the jaw slightly it doesn't move like liquid May is considered a solid and whatever was in the area of the meat has to be removed and the rest of the mayonnaise remains strictly power I saw the B C B has a sh where it was a little bit butter and honey story was someone buttered their bread then used the same knife to take out honey because there's honey there was butter in honey so he says it depends on the consistency of the of the honey if it's a liquid liquidy type of honey then because of the of the butter but if it's a thick honey there's no I'll tell you a third sh I saw this I don't know how it happened but a person on PES P they had butter they bought and they opened it it was already opened but they took off the cover and there was crumbs on top of the of the butter that is a true story what happened obviously one of the children before PES had wanted to have bread and they saw butter they didn't know was ptic butter and you know children are too lazy to get the knife and butter the bread it's much quicker to rub the bread onto the butter and butter the bread so now this woman had the The Shack of a life the crumbs on the on the on the butter now no one would ask to sh throw out the butter but I'm not saying tell your wife I said this but if you take off all the crumbs and make no more crumbs so the rest of the body is unaffected there's no on a salid a salid tub of Honey of of of butter so again it's not going to happen you're going to use it but at least that would be okay now let's apply this in order beginning the end of has one of the had an interesting idea he wanted to have bread but he had didn't have P the time not you know such a mass have time to wash and bench he would take breadcrumbs soak it in water until the water was white that type of turns the breadcrumbs into and that's bread not bread breadcrumbs in soaked in water when the water is white is so I thought originally maybe this would be another example of K because if he soak the bread crumbs in water it's m and we know bread that's m is misus that's why people make from soaked water from soaked bread but then I saw the he says no no even less than 24 hours the fact that the water turns White shows it loses so I was wrong but it's pretty close that had been 24 hours certainly would be okay let me tell youting someone wanted to make on chabas we'll soon see a good example he wants to make cucumber salad he'll take cucumbers soak it in water with vinegar so the question is a fundamental questiones it apply to so the r seems to be certain he says that regarding and indeed now here the does quote many there only cuz it's not it's only a told us it's it's only a told us but say you should know that but I think we understand it and I'll tell you why there's one of the part of the here in someone asked him the following question in an earli Chim he has a famous cha that he says the ra never quotes so he has a certain coola based on that so someone said I can't believe it you didn't see the that with a tone of disappointment says I need why don't you look closely at my CH I didn't say the ra doesn't mention it any place he doesn't mention it in I know he said it in chabas but chabis could be is more than listen to this why beautiful because in we find it's that if someone puts even warm water on on a Spanish mael so that's consider and that's like Bish so regarding we see a that even in warm water because it's so I know that there is because shabas is more now that would explain why some hold it to their as long as it's that would be but say let's go back to our making cucumber salad someone made it on chabas so again if there's no bo issues why not but let's say this person for got about this for some reason and he made it shabas morning to have it Sunday afternoon or whatever time is he going to have it the question is is he's making it to keep for 24 hours so we'll say what's the sh but here's another problem listen to this when does it become 24 hours later that's after shabas how could it be it first gets cooked on Sunday morning cuz don't forget you need 24 hours this the whole sh how it works it's it's incremental but it covers 24 hours later but we could do much better than that I'll ask you a different question if someone puts on raw food on the fire right before so both say he can't be he didn't do first cooked but there a famous inab the rashash says that there's no doubt about it if someone plants on even though it first takes root three days later because he did the if he put food on the fire the last minute before shabas and listen to this in he says others made a mistake when they said that it's not because Bish is no different than Z so believe it or not should be totally in that if you hold Bish is like that you only need the so then be but if you go with those make hold that Bish has to finish onab then there wouldn't be regarding the cucumber salad but definitely there to be that this would be the real M Bish now even if he doesn't use vinegar he uses let's say um lemon juice with sugar that neutralize the lemon juice but he wants to keep it for 24 hours that is a someone asked me an interesting question he took out a pickle with a power utensil he wants to put it back is there a problem of Kim he's putting it back into the the the pickle br I told him and that's not my and says the same thing now there's one I saw and the don't know I'm talking about anymore but when I was growing up there was something called half sour pickles so someone you all to put a pickle back in the jar so he said full sour M half sour obviously he's concerned that yes cuz it's not fully but I don't know I don't remember the I don't I think half I think once it reaches that it can't go beyond that I don't know but seemed to say that by half sour could be yes it's not fully like something that's only cooked okay I'll leave that for the and pickles I'm not maving at all let's move on someone has a problem chewing matah and he wants to soak the mat in water obviously he's not so this is believe that this if he soaks in water less than 24 hours what's wrong unless M falls apart because it's not you can't use soaked in water that's why G even though I'm but you can't see is says it's m the is let's say he soaked it for more than 24 hours so the say then you can't use it because it's like it's like I don't agree even if it's but it's not yet when does say you can't use mat that's mat but mat he can't he can't be that it's the same you have to learn carefully it's k but not another that Romain lettuce as we know is really the preferable to use it's the first on the list but there's is a terribly serious problem of bugs so today there's Greenhouse grown which come out avoids the issue the problem is that let's say you don't have it so you want to take Romain lettuce and you want to get out every last trace of bugs but how do you do that so what's recommended it is especially during the year when you want to use Romain lettuce if you could soak the lettuce in vinegar or even vinegar with mixed with water that has a very strong effect on loosening the the grip of the bugs on the on the lettuce the problem is if you do that you run into an issue of he goes a step further and he says something very logical he says even if you use a little bit vinegar and water and you don't keep it too long but the m is that the the lettuce are so thin that the CLE of it is ready the whole vegetable and we know that if you keep it less than the sheer it affects the plus he says has to have when you put something into the M onto the M that neutralize the mirus of the so forget about it's not so he's concerned what the truth the story was that put out a guide how to prepare the m and they said put it in water with vinegar for a short while soan wrote to the who was the head of at the time that I don't advise that because he said these two the the m is very thin and it takes out the mirus he says better you know use plain water and that has to be less than 24 hours so replied and I saw the took the same approach that vinegar is not and water with vinegar certainly neutralize the vinegar that much more but we're dealing with a more serious problem you want to be with this far very good but should eat that there's so many La per so so better we go put it in and take it out right away so they felt that if it's not then why [Music] be added that because there some are concerned about K better use the stalks of the Roma lettuce which is easy to clean you clean it you could see it so basically that's somewhat of a is also if you do it so in other words soaking it in water within 24 hours shouldn't be a problem a little bit vinegar that's more of an issue but if you take it that right away you have many now here's the the water in New York City I see this every summer comes from a reservoir Upstate New York the never syn which provides water for New York City in fact that's New York City property you'll see New York city policeman there it has it gives 1.2 billion gallons per day it's a huge Reservoir running from um grahamsville kamat Ellenville it's gorgeous Scenic nice take your children but that's our water now I'm telling you Theus guaranteed every moment of the day there is in that Reservoir fish it's it's legal to fish if you have a permit and fishing means bread lunch and schnaps and and beer but but it's guaranteed no doubt about it so here's the question since there is definitely in this huge Reservoir some place and some place so that means the water has at least all over and this is the issue that we have with today's water but the EMS is the olden days had the same issue on a smaller level they had water fromo from outdoor springs that was open to the public and that's why they were eaten that draw water take water out before P so even if there is this it's bottle but most people are and for us we can understand all agreed to that that as I told you earlier to make you need 24 hours of consecutive so says that me you take it out for a moment and put it back you start again it has to have 24 straight hours let's say the water is not the same body of water let's say you start off with in this body of water some goes out and new comes in so the moving water cannot affect that's his but he writes at the end so the good news is that our Reservoir was are guaranteed like that 1.2 billion per day a lot of movement so that's one het there is a more fundamental May about and both said the same also has to have a she in other words you know when you have a little bit you know that's Mas but they comes to a point that even on molecular level it's just nonexistent a little beer a little bread or a lot of bread in billions of gallons of water they say I think one said that there has to be a that should be had it said means undefinable but that's why the is it's one of these two there are other for a different time listen to that leads us to another beautiful is to make an you have have to have a and a pass let's say you don't have a tap can you use a pickle a is that acceptable as a in so so we would say why not but wait a minute why not it's it's not but apparently held it's enough but it needs a little HBA but wait we we'll give you we'll give you a HBA only allow by you're only allowed to have one so in the beginning of don't have pickles or any by that now it sounds like he's saying why because a pickle is a and Z he clares the he says I wonder can you have a pickle by so he says no no you're Lou why if you're not you're not if so you to have it he says because I don't understand he says this is not a says that you could use a pickle for because there you need a eat it with bread no a is also good is also good feels that pickles are okay because it's not a he says both seem to be inaccurate because he looked up the that he quotes and there he says that is not a time to have have condiments not to not time to have K in other words even if you have only a pickle it should be awesome so it's really no R either way but we see why it's awesome why I'm Sor why it helps because it is enough was asked someone froze their esrig last year he took it out this year let's say and it was beautiful for eight days after suus it's it's spoiled and rotted right away so yes I don't know was what I did because during the eight days looked fine so says well one thing I guarantee you the EST is not a problem even though EST is a problem but your EST was not was not was not M what was it Frozen and Frozen not even he says maybe if you froze it in in water but even that but this is not but the only problem is if it was spoiled right away maybe it was spoiled when you used it but that's a beautiful Insight is assuming a frozen estg definitely is not wonderful now let's go back to what I began with I was by house it was I used the bathroom and in the bathtub there was water and there were literally l didn't soak but lying in the water I guess he wanted to keep it fresh and I heard many people have this they they do do like this but the question is what about the emis we find regarding an that if it's you can use that asri and based on that it seems that the in the end of says that we keep our water I don't kept in his bathtub kept it in water and we have a guy take it out before 24 hours pass because we don't want it to be why have a guy take it out because for us it's but the is the already there in quotes the ra quotes that applies to as well a new example but the because and this is the way the way he explains it when you have a food a fruit mat or EST which is a a fruit could impact a fruit but in how does AFF so doesn't change the the status of that so the and others say it's a and say says not not that's how convinced they are that it doesn't exist because K takes B so B of what the B of water go into the into into the Woody it's just not but it's not a food but and also took strong exception if you want to be you could be don't forget the M says that that they used to put the lul love into water but that wasn't entirely the is definitely all to W the with a wet moist towel that's not a problem moving on to let's say a made they made pickles so we would say oh that's pretty tricky because but it's not realish and then you're right the says that Bish is only bishel just like if a guy smoked fish it's not Bish is not Bish regarding Bish question someone was Kish don't ask be why a piece of meat and a piece of fish together if 24 hours took out the meat and the fish can he eat the meat and the fish independently so this sounds terrible because this is and and anded this is a but to me is the and a beautiful CH also they say it's no problem I it was soaked but k Kim does not make actual Sak the S is meat that and fish that were eaten together or cooked together so they are pretty comfortable it's not a problem so I wouldn't do it but we do do see that there's a sad to say regarding Sak at least a and some say where plays a very prominent role in the business industry is we know meat that was has to be Kos within 24 hours within I'm sorry 3 days if you leave it three days that was not Kash it wasn't gal it wasn't taken out the blood you can't use it unless you roast it the problem is let's say have a let's say you have a big business and and they have a lot of backup they have a lot of meat that they can't chickens they can't Casher three days so the P can recommend freeze the meat freezing the meat effectively stops the clock so you after a day you freeze it and makes you take it defrosted and cash it within two days because that is another example of or freezing is better than another freezing stops the clock someone asked me he had in his food he found a a lot of ants and he's somehow strained he's convinced that he got out every last ant no shil but the problem is is the food tra because it was sitting with ants together for 24 hours I told him he's right if there's no sh the ants then you have Kim the ble of the ants go into the food I T not necessarily that ant T the only thing is if he has more than shim then the th is bottle I a barrier is never bottle but this not a barrier this the the time of the barrier and last but not least I'll leave you something to think about because it could be probably half a share for itself where you see K in a very real way today and gr that's not only today it's been going for years there's a number of different schnaps that have a certain Mya a certain flavor that makes it very irresistible a regular schnaps but they they they they keep the schnap they age the schnaps in Sherry casks basically those are wooden bag barels that used to have wine in it the cherry wine and it's such a strong wine with such a delightful taste somehow that it goes in goes into the wooden casks and now when you soak the schnaps which is a also that somehow it takes out the Sherry flavor in the casks and gives the schnaps an Exquisite taste I mean this is such an industry you see the the the Kish the go are going to making schnaps they sometimes do it in three different cask and they age they first burn The Cask a little bit to make it get the flavor it's a whole science it's amazing but at the end of the day this is and if the wine waser which is presumably you have you have real that's affecting the wine the I say it's a small amount of it bottle but if you want it to be the F it's not bottle so that's why this is a lot of talk about it but one thing is clear that this is a real example of Within 24 hours it could be a problem also because snaps is but more than 24 hours those that hold it's a problem hold a problem definitely those that are make a different reason I talk to [Music] you Maybe quickly before the sh becomes just learn first is no simple matter it's not but it's enough of and that make a by other and that's why by other even a is awesome is Bish so Bish it's only like Bish so by is 24 Hours by most liquids by by a Sal brine by tear it's six minutes that's by and certainly to be and certainly by vinegar of today that is so diluted certainly there's what to be to be to be because is but that's the issue that by certainly six minutes two solid foods there's no because it's only the liquid that makes theisha I forgot to mention even if you if you have a food in liquid so thein that only the food part that's in the liquid part becomes cage what's outside of the liquid is not Kish so that's a good r that two solid food certainly would not be a problem of Kish by if you have tray for soup in a pot for 24 hours that's example of Kish plastic containers those that reuse it should either label it or make sure you don't go from that could be a problem meat gravy that's soaked in a Mil as we said the milk expires before the takes effect so the meat remains okay a spoon in Crane or spoon in CR for that matter was left for 24 hours would make the crane what the spoon was if you have a piece of meat soaked in a cucumber salad So after 24 hours the the cucumber salad should be considered FL dish found in a dish in a basin of dishes we could assume it's okay A f a pickle put back in the jar might make all the pickles because cover if it's there 24 hours always use power of KN that's a good a frozen item there's no cover because it stops the clock ice cream we froze the soup a frozen container a semi salad is there's no din of cish mayonnaise butter honey depending on the consistency if soaked crumbs in water even less than 24 hours if the water is the slabin it loses it sh pass but it's not a of because even less than 24 hours this is but the logistics don't work because you have to have on shab obviously if you K cucumber salad and salt then need six minutes but if he could do it after shabas is toally the old if the Bish that takes place the bishel completed after shabas the you allow to put a pickle back in the jaw and making cucumber salad for after shab besid should not be done soaking mat in water less than 24 hours still if he's not soaking R lettuce in water less than 25 hours and a little bit vinegar is also the reservoir the water the res for numerous reasons is a good avoid pickles or any type of you know luxury food the tin as the way the the says a Frozen is not it might be spoiled but not a moist towel is definitely okay there's no Bish by by is a suff some of course eating together is a problem but not K freezing meat you don't have salt it right away cuz it's the clock bugs and food would would not be if there was enough bugs that there's no it would make a problem to the food and the Sher cast is an issue and someone pointed out I must mention if someone is Kish if he's soaked in his learning he's Ang his learning then he's then he's in his learning he has a learning thank you all for listening