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Introduction to Perek Arvei Pesachim - Shiur by Rabbi Nochum Scheiner
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Shiur in Gemara Pesachim by Rabbi Nochum Scheiner at Beis Medrash Ohr Chaim in Monsey, NY. 18forshay.com
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we're learning now in the
morning we say every day before
zra so it's interesting the
M speaking about the
but then when it comes to the car the
says so there's a difference between the
three different carbas and the mishna
says
the other carbus you have a day and a
night the is only by night
what's the that by says as opposed to
everything else all the other it
says so it said that it's different by
pesak really maybe it should be the
whole year but at least by pesak person
has to know that everything is till you
make sure that it's good to go to eat
but I'm saying we're starting
now you find that actually
in the beginning
of starts
off there a person has to understand
that sometimes people think is a regular
weekday is what you're not allowed to do
it's the opposite
everything's till you learn you
know this and that
everything just on the note
of just to
sh they
bring he
says what does mean
is the B
is the mishna Begins
the to eat a of P from when from when so
the mishna says you now
from when very clear very
clear to eat
from when is the time
of Cl the sh the later what we we
skipped along to the cles is
it later in the afternoon we get to
exactly where
is is in the early afternoon let's call
it around 3 4:00
or which let's say today is 12:34 or
something like
12:37 from when is it to
eat it
says so what which is earlier in the day
or which is later in the day so the gar
says it it's toally what's the reason
why you P why you not P what's the
what's the what's the reason for
the if the reason why you not of p is
not to be distracted from bringing the
Caron P then says the gar then it's
already from an earlier
from that's when they exactly brought
the carbon P but said you're not let it
eat already from around time but because
you have to be focused on the afternoon
to bring the K
PES however if the reason why you're not
let eat AR p is so that you should
eat meaning to say if you're going to
eat 4 or 5:00 in the afternoon it's
going to come PES by
night you're not going to be hungry and
eat the mat with a so said he is to eat
from when from later in the afternoon
around 3 4:00 in the
afternoon if the reason why you now let
to eat a of PES is that you shouldn't be
distracted from bringing the Caron
P so why is the end time you know eat
till when
from but till when the says without
no by night you make Kish you not eat
before if the reason why you're not to
eat is because you're going to be
distracted from bring the carbon
PES once you brought the carbon PES you
should be allowed to
eat by night there's no we're not
you shouldn't by mistake not bring the
car P okay so once you brought the car P
you're done you and you should be able
to eat so
why so says that we're afraid that it
could be you're going to rush through
the Caron
PES say if we're going to say that
you're allow to eat after you bring the
car PES we're afraid you're hungry you
want to eat you just quickly do the car
bring the car PES
these how you prepare the car p with
these and we're afraid you're going to
rush through it you're not going to do a
therefore just to be
clear no car no
eating that's the whole time of instead
of saying to after you bring the
P just under the on the concept this
idea of you shouldn't bring the Caron
PES quickly so you should be able to
eat it might even be eat
before it's
clearly
however when a person we spoke about it
over here in the when we I'm not going
into certain
eat before
ding again I'm not going into that's not
the discussion but I want to bring out
the
concept and they say rather eat to be
able to
DAV then DAV to eat it say to rush
through daving so like this you can go
and eat you're daving because you're you
wake up you're hungry you're not all to
eat so you're ding to be able to eat
that would be the concept over
here a person shouldn't rush through the
Caron PES to be able to eat so M doesn't
make a difference you can do the car PES
in 5 minutes he can't eat anyways
till so again the cles in
the is
it because of the or is it later because
you should
eat the sh thear concludes that the is
to eat of is so you should eat
the and therefore the is only
from and
that's I believe this is the I wrote
it which we'll get to to explain what
exactly the time
of why why
so we're gonna get the p p the is to eat
P the afternoon is when you're gonna
eat in the beginning of a
per on the
Lo we're
learning if you take a look in the
mishna even in the our Mna it's not
it's so tus want to understand what
is should have been
ER if the is talking about of all the
years then it should have
been
what's so one one t t
says AR we're talking about
this but that we bring a lot
of so it's we're talking about one p but
really should be P but it's not of the P
it's the that you bring a lot of Caron
P second
is because it's referring to
both technically maybe could have
said
but of
both let's a second
terit and what's the mishna coming to
say of the that the of both
as we just said the concludes what's the
to eat so you should eat
the to
eat
however there is no to eat mat yes the
says to eat mat but it's to eat it
together with
the there's
no there's no to eat that you should
eat why is there
a totally eat and you won't eat
the and he bles with
is to
eat from the late
afternoon so first of all it doesn't say
it
says close to so
what's
says says a half hour
before so what's the how do you get to
the of
this to know because
really
really is really
to though some
earlier but in it says that really if
you're ding from right away
from from
1234 which would
seem you should start from later
so what's the how do you get to the so
here in in the beginning of the fifth P
the Mish says like
this
car when do you bring
the let's break up
obviously it's totally andman meaning to
say it's depending on how long the day
is but if the day is an even amount
equal day of 12 hours and let's say that
the day starts at 6:00 in the morning
morning and 6:00 at night the day ends
it's 12 hours 6 to
6 so what's 8 and a half of a day from 6
to 6 6 to 12 the 6 hours so it's 2:30
that says the the
carbon was brought 2:30 in the
afternoon and when was
it 3:30 in the
afternoon that's the
of that we D in is Con
when
was a day that the day is 6 to 6 it was
3:30 in the afternoon so if there's a
day that's 6 to 6
even is 3:30 in the afternoon though of
course it depends the day starts earlier
the the later longer shorter it's going
to move around you look it up on a
calendar to see when it comes out but Al
on a 6 to6 day
3:30 so from when does the is start to
eat a of
P from 3:00 3:30 is
3:00
says half hour before
concludes the reason is to
e is 3:30 so from 3:00
interesting the M over here in
s when speaking about the so the
says the
says a half hour
before so the EMS is is that the sh is
really under we're going to get to it
soon but the when he speaks about the of
eating but the
says when should a person stop
eating so the
says
so says it's when he says doesn't mean
means you're already a half hour before
that so when you look around in
sometimes the is
it really means a half hour
before so that's clear the is is is to
eat from a half hour from a half
hour
before and the reason why is you should
eat let's stop for a minute and
see what is the
is the is is you to eat what do you to
eat
let's try to figure out where where is
a p it's 3:30 in the afternoon you know
eat what what do you know
eat
so bread anyways now eat from from the
morning 10:30 in the morning so is
anyway
not
mat
mat you also can eat
mat Shi it's not a Le it's
interesting when exactly is the but thei
says it's pretty famous you're not
supposed to eat
mat so where's it g when the Mish says
what what is the telling me eat enemies
can't eat you can't
eat let's define it let's see
Nash you could anyways eat the whole day
so what we exactly is this
this that you to eat what bread you
can't eat mat you can't
eat you know where it's it's mat
matah mat that you added in other
ingredients let's call it or we know it
as egg
matah egg mat is something that you're
not
and for that thei is not applicable this
that thei says you're not
eat that's only that's
only that's
only
not which is year
of like next
year so eating the 10:30 what's about
it's a whole discussion not for now
last over here in the morning we went
through a series of five going through
all eat you
eat so for that is where it's negated
that the M
says to eat but only up till up till uh
call it shus why shus because 830
which means not when the 10th hour
starts which
means 3:00 so this that the says you're
now
eat
is because you can't use it by the or is
telling something that you can't be to
the m or is it telling something
which let's
I the real name good good we're going to
get to this Mish in a minute and what's
the exact reason is a little bit in it's
a good point what you're bringing up I
don't want to get in gon involved in
thei and the time and what type of mat
but it's a beautiful question you
brought up we're going actually get
another example in a minute M about this
but Al ter is very clear when told us we
have to eat you know what you're there P
egg mat
mat the
mar says that I have another example
another example
or what the is saying in like you
brought up
good what
is any mat that was
made is also to eat not
if a makes
mat at least even if a makes the mat and
it wasn't made it's not you're allow to
eat it the whole P but you're not all to
eat
it so that's another
what that was
made yeah
eat it at night it's not right so if you
eat it at night you're not
EA you just can't
be says maybe No Maybe not
maybe is included in the of
the to eat that was
made like what you brought up before
that it could be only egg mat that
doesn't have the time of you to
eat it's the exact
same it's
just says could be I mean you're I'm
sorry you're not let
eat says that wouldn't be wouldn't be a
good
example the actually does bring it as a
terit that when the mishna says that we
learned
either it's or
it's mat that was made mat that was made
by a or even
by this discussion of is not just a
theory I mean it's but it's not just
a and
then actually stays like
that it's a few pages long
and he was he was asked could you
use could you use in other words let the
mat bakeries it's a year
of and they asked them you see egg mat
is very nice but at least we don't eat
egg mat e kids over P so you eat egg mat
on
P somewhat in hotels
however why can you make
make
mat and the mat you can't eat Le you can
eat it a of P you could eat it the whole
PES just not Le they asked him to be
able to do it for hotels and they also
asked him to be able to do it for the
Army to make mat that's not you're not
you can eat it
P
so responded and he said first of all
you can't eat at of P and
even that says that you could at least
upon he says you shouldn't do it will
come out meaning he says even that you
could do it especially if you're going
to do it on a big scale in hotels the
Army and even if you're going to ride on
the box don't eat it people not going
going to know this typee special mat not
for the say do you know you go to the
mat
you can't you shouldn't do
it what
is say
another that was
made says you know
is the is is
BOS
of and this is
Tak you're now let eat
from you allow to eat a little bit like
the seemingly
brought you see to say there takes a
long time to eat is 12 1:00 the matah
first eating 12
1:00 you want to sit down 5:30 in the
afternoon and eat a full supper you're
not going to wash but you want to have
full boss of a dogum so that
also the
says to eat in the
afternoon so really what would come at
is look up in the calendar I didn't
check yet what time it is
let's say it's 4:00 so before 4:00 you
could eat a full early supper so to
speak obviously this is not even the
discussion if a person eats so much that
he's not going to even be able to eat
the that's not even a discuss that's not
what we're talking about it's all the
says
the as the explain it means it
means it means you're not going to eat L
oven
so we have over here two or three
explanations what
is so we said
either
Maybe here's another
example for those in CL that eat
gabs so it's
n for an example could you sit down and
could you eat feed can't even B of dog
but let's say if you go you can't
eat what's about or anything that goes
into gab it's not washing to sud could
you eat
it
however not because you eat it the whole
day the Sim that we're talking about in
B the ra says
you have regular mat and then you made
it mat you ground
it and then you mix it with oil wine
that sounds
like it's not matah even though mat when
you originally make the mat and you put
in oil that is matahir but if you it was
made Regular matah you made a mat then
you mix in oil that's not mat and it's
AER to eat the whole ER of PES so them
what we're saying now with
falls
off cuz anyways can't eat it the whole
PES however if you take a look in the
it's only talking about if you bake it
you made mat you put an oil and you bake
it that you're not to eat the whole day
however says clearly that was cooked you
are allowed so that would being another
example another
example of what would be that would go
into the what the M saying
just real briefly and with this I want
to conclude this here up until now we
spoke about the iser of eating ER of
P what's about
y shabas what's the din over there so
before going into shabas which really
the G speaks about
but AR ER of
suus er of suus
brings
the
says to
eat
suus
from and the
says says it's learned from from P just
like P
P to eat
so
too eat to eat in
the this itself is's a lot of to speak
about what's
the's let's go clear
the says
eat say wait a second you're telling me
that the iser
comes from suus from
has learned from the from is from when
is
from not from so what's the that says
from so Rings
that's also only later in the afternoon
you could
eat what
says only later only from
the
Ben is if you learn from p and p we
learned
the not a half hour
before so what's the
difference says you know why p is a
later time only from let's call it 3:00
in the afternoon the reason why it only
starts from 3:00 in the afternoon is
because will you start eating Le
s regardless of how long your takes but
you don't start right away meaning to
say
this it takes time so by the time you
eat the mat it's already let's call it
two three hours in or something like
that into the night so we could allow
you to eat you
E when do you when you EA in the you
call home eat in the
so if you're going to be able to
eat you're not going to have so that's
why suus it's moved back earlier the to
eat suus is already so it's more or less
equivalent it's to later in the
afternoon from is about the same idea of
time to
eaten lastly and to conclude
food isave
shabas shabas the gamorra brings in the
beginning of if he's an to eat
shabas the is that we're learning is a
of shabas as well today a of shabas also
this afternoon could you sit down to eat
a
suda it's m it's m it's m to eat it's m
the
I'm not talking about is a separate
discussion when you have to when you
don't have to that's next year p is
Friday it's m
however
it's is a Mitzvah it's a mil it's it's a
Mitzvah not to eat in the afternoon and
the same thing is also in the same
thing is also what's about the second
days of second days of P what's
about which we
said
says it's a not to
eat like
this however however shabas it's only a
Mitzvah but just like I said before a
it's only this is only talking about
when it's not going to be
AA shabas if a person's going to sit
down Friday afternoon and he's going to
have a huge and by the time he sits down
Friday night if it's not okay so you Wen
the Mitzvah but if a person sits down
Friday night to a suda and he ate or he
drank and he P can't eat that's a that's
a this that a shabas is only a Mitzvah
not to eat it's a h that's the only one
we talk about but if you're not able to
eat have a wonderful shabas