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Hello everyone and welcome back to
Inside Art Scroll where the books you
read and the people who write them come
to life. Today I am privileged to be
joined by Rabbi David Sutton, prolific
author and the author of the brand new
daily dose of sukim of betim. How are
you Rabbi Sutton? Pleasure to be back
here again on the new release. Thank
you. Thank you. It's amazing how you've
been pumping out not just books and not
just but really
monumental lifechanging volumes. It's
been a couple years since you put out
the Balevi on with your commentary which
has sold I believe around 30,000 copies.
Just an incredible achievement. and uh
you've put out others for him over the
years including the first volume of
daily dose of beten and now this new
volume daily dose of sukim of beten
which uh is only out a couple of weeks
and it's already sold uh it's thousands
of copies it's now going into second
printing as of this uh conversation um
so tell our reader our viewers our
readers what this volume seeks to
achieve so similar to daily dose of the
original one which is like we say a
daily dose. It's a lesson a day
standalone lesson on the first volume is
based on the Lovas the Lovas is
monumental work on but to read it
straight it's a little heavy for the
average reader so we try to bring it
down to today's reader and make it
understandable and accessible and after
that success we decided to apply it and
here the background is sukum
of as collected by yseop zund of Salanto
is rebrol salant and the goal is that a
person reads a
p and familiarizes himself with a p
almost that it could become his daily
jingle if I take a
my
right I understand it and then I just
say that when I'm walking in the street
when I'm before before I make a business
deal when I call the shad
I'm just saying those and besides the
fact that it arouses your bet the moral
writes it's actually for success. Mhm.
And I know a very successful businessman
in Lakewood that tells me that in his
office they're not allowed to make a
deal unless they read three of before
they make the deal. Yeah. It's like
that's that became the part and parcel
of their success. So as you go through
this book some people are going to read
they're going to know they're going to
be familiar with right
away and so on and so forth. These
obsukim that that we grew up with, we
say unfortunately we probably don't
think enough about but then there are
other many many from predominantly from
that maybe we're less familiar with but
you start realizing how saturated
David's writings are
with it was
all again and again and again but you
bring it out so beautifully not just
explaining the puk but really
elaborating and embellishing and
bringing in stories and examples have no
idea how you were able to put together
so much
information but the book is also divided
into 100 chapters or so 120 chapters uh
which also makes it very readable very
uh you can know you can navigate it very
easily maybe using it as a daily reader
and things like that so this book is
just what I would call the latest
chapter in what I'm seeing as as a bakan
revolution over the last 10 years uh and
we spoke the last time we we had our an
interview um about the rubashkin
component where it awakened and people
and noward so many shurim and books and
onen that people are really connecting
to and you're kind of taking people by
the hand and giving them that ability to
connect to such a foundational component
of of our belief. This is really what
you're doing. It's interesting mention
to I saw after I put out the book
Shashar Alf when he talks
about he says that one of the ways to
reach he says is by reading from he says
because David was so saturated with the
like he said it's just going to arouse
you wow it's just it hasn't it there's a
power to those it's interesting that
the quotes his rebi that he used to take
certain sukim and he would like I said
sing them as a jing mingle during the
day just just uh you're walking around
just have that puss and uh we really
appreciate all those those singers that
make them some of them you know you say
a pus say oh yeah I know that one from
the song right that's true but you're
saying something also that's that's I
think very profound where let's say
during the course of a day we don't
always have time to stop people are busy
they have jobs obligations they may be
learning people don't always have time
to sit down and engage in immerse
themselves in heavy study of but could
just stop and like you said before about
this businessman from Lakewood stop for
a second and say the and that itself
like Zund says and other people bring
that it's a a scholar for
100% that's it's a tremendous power that
maybe people aren't tapping into now I
know that this book is based on a list
of
as compiled by Rab Zundal Sant's rebi
but there are other lists of as
What are those? So the moral has a list
actually this is in the order of Tanakh.
Moral has a list in alphabetical and the
Ramal also has a list based on Kabala
Sheamus. He also has a list and we're
actually working now on volume two with
the Maralukim and volume three on the on
the on the uh Ramalukim. And how will
how will those differ from this? Just
different sukim and also you'll have a
commentary and explanation. Same daily
lesson, same style. Wow. Okay. So, we're
looking forward to that.
Um, one of the people who very
prominently have been bringing out
messages of and he's actually been
quoting from your safer and and really
promoting this new book is Michael Safi
who's taken the the campaign and
revolution very seriously. He has uh
shurim, daily 10-minute shirim. And uh
I'm someone who's been listening to him
from from the early days, and I brought
many people on on board because he's
he's he's
unapologetic about the power and
importance of and uh and I know you're
familiar with his work and I'm just
bringing out his aides as an example of
how the the the message of is is
connecting to people. So I want to ask
you two things. First of all, what do
you think his secret is as far as why
he's so potent in his message? And why
do you think now more than maybe the
last 50 years, why now are people so
connected and why is this message of
seem to have a a revitalization? So I
have an interesting theory. First of all
to answer your first question, Michael
Safia, I attribute of course
etc. But a lot of the success both in
the Bay Salv do is because Michael
hasn't stopped pushing it. Michael's a
big believer. And the reason is because
the Balei is the one place that it
clearly says if you rely on Hashem vada,
you're going to get what you want. And
the reason why a lot of people are
buying into what Michael's saying, and
this really goes back to our from Muny
who who a little bit Michael's rebby in
this area is people took the
kazoneish, misunderstood it, and
basically robbed everyone of So, so stop
for a second because I know you and I
have spoken about this the different
approaches to we'll call it the nardic
approach, the basi approach, and then
what people perceive to be the khazro
khanish approach. the word perceive.
Now, now many people watching this may
not be so well verssed in it. So give a
a short summary of the says what is not.
He says doesn't mean that everything's
going to be good. So people
misunderstood it as understanding. Oh,
so I can't just rely on Hashem. He
didn't say that. He said is not a bumper
sticker in amuna. Everything will be
good. That's not true. Everything's not
good. And but he doesn't say that if you
rely on Hashem, you're not going to get
what you want. He says in quite a few
places that you will get you what you
want and it's throughout the reonim and
so on and so forth and because of that
that's like seeps into every time you
want to have but maybe but maybe but
maybe it won't work out maybe and that
that took out that that confidence and I
think what Michael's selling is that
vados that confidence that you can get
what you want and if you really rely and
he lives it in his in his own life and
his own business many stories about him
that he he can he himself could tell
where he just you know sat there waiting
a month or two for a sale and he just
that's it I am relying Hashem's my
father and I'm relying on him I'm
counting on him he's going to come
through and today people need that and I
have my own theory um I don't want to
get this is really not uh we don't have
the art of being you here which is
another book we put out actually in the
back over here we turn it over one of
the books is the art of being you so the
art of being you uh is a emotional
wellness self-help book which you put
out just several months ago for Dr.
David Kenstein and Barashem it's also
selling nicely and people we're living
in an era of
anxiety the the the numbers are have
doubled in the past 10 years and the
question is why is it COVID is it the
fact that you have a smartphone and the
whole concept of anxiety is the
inability to deal with uncertainty I
need to be certain I need to be certain
so it used to be You could flex your
toleration of uncertainty. You go out in
the morning. Uh what's the weather going
to be like? I have no idea. Okay, take
my umbrella. I'll deal with the
uncertainty. What time am I getting
here? So, I have to get
it today. I called you and I said, I'll
be here at 8:47. The way said that. No,
the there's no living with uncertainty.
Everything has to be certain and that
causes anxiety because you can't always
be certain and that's why people need
more and we do need certainty and what
Michael's selling is certainty. Mhm.
Vadi. I want to be vadi. I want to be
vadi. I don't want to have you know
there's always you know the clause and
the condition and the this and the that.
No, I want to know that there's
something that I can rely on for sure.
That sounds so so the obvious question
is the the skeptics we'll call them the
detractors will very often say you know
what maybe we're scared to sell that
version of as much as it's documented in
our cif
from in
in to
the to the bi and so on the
the very clearly state that that you can
rely
underm unquestionably but the skeptics
will say you know maybe I don't want to
call him Texas Misha Feinstein
did not like pushing this approach even
is it because they were they were
concerned that people would not have
bonafide and then they become
disillusioned because they say here I am
I relied underum and and I'm not and I'm
not I'm not getting the payday right
right right 100% and it to segue from
that I once asked the big
Um, and I never got really got a
straight answer why. And I wonder if
it's true for your So you learned by you
learned by
big. Um, but I could say in the
mainstream system, we don't really learn
about him. Now Raulba interesting saves
bucken for like all the way at the end
of the cafer like he believes that it's
something that people his line is
there's no area that people fool
themselves more than in Is that right?
Yeah. And and because because they think
they're relying on that real and they're
really not. It's laziness. It's it's you
could use it to cover all kind of
things. So it's it's an elusive uh trait
and they were afraid you know sell tell
a guy be taken he's not really holding.
It's it's and that's why like Michael
always says if you rely on your brother
capital I capital F. That's one of
Michael's lines. And that if is a very
big if because very often like you're
saying people think they're relying. But
when push comes to shove, they're also
relying on whatever they're doing or
their boss or their friend or or a
wealthy patron, whoever it might be,
which by definition means they're not
fully reliant on and that's who you're
saying that that's why people are
are skeptical, scared, hesitant to teach
that form of why why would you be
confident that we could promote promote
well that type of and not be concerned
about people becoming disillusioned. I
always say that there are levels but you
it's just like when you learn mash
teaching baba we're getting to to
kaduca then we're not holding there but
like the commentary says you have to
know it exists. People should know that
there is a bet out there that is you
know proven and guaranteed. You might
not be holding there but aspire for it
right and know there are people that
have it and live by it even today. But I
want to add something if I may that I
think there's a misnomer. Michael has po
pointed this out. You pointed out in
your swar that the there's somewhat of a
mistake here. Bakan is not the magic
pill to get what you want. That's not
why we work on that's not why we have
the key to is the connection to 100%.
Right. The the the getting what we need.
That's that's says that's just that's
the carrot, right? It's just a little he
says bad you be talking shouldn't get
you anything but you're not going to do
it. So we give you a little something.
Exactly. So that's really the key. It's
it's it's that connection to Hashem and
and like all the talk about
the is the prize. The prize is the
serenity and the peace of mind that a
person who has experiences and whether
he gets what he expected or not that's
that's that's all supplemental. That's
secondary. Right. And um and I think
that's very important to frame it like
that because then people realize what
the gift of bakan is. I'll add one other
thing that you actually bring in the
safer that the brisker says that the
greatest reward for having is more 100%.
Instead of thinking that in every case
okay the got me through this situation
he got me to shak this time he got me
parnasa this time but I don't know
what's going to be next time. The
briskarov says that the greatest reward
for bakan is that you'll have more baken
in the future and and and again this is
part of this discussion of having that
constant peace of mind and serenity and
and ultimately that's the goal of this
safer and your other sarim right the
hedition and the hass edition so um but
talk about that for a second that that
at the end of the day the greatest gift
of bakan is the connection to hashem and
the gift to have in the future.
No, the the mesh says the source of the
Torah is
both that the connection that you have,
right? We're we don't realize like the
all the farms say that when a person has
a problem, the goal is to work on it's
just the problem is there just as aims
to get you to work on right that's what
we want. You're missing the point if you
think oh you know like this is one of my
favorite stories. Yeah. I'll indulge
you. It's in the uh living be talking
for children book. Yeah. That the um the
narcasers were in the forest and during
one of the wars they had no food. They
went a whole day
fasting. They go to sleep at night no
food. They get up the next morning sh
it's the second day. They haven't
eaten. Comes ma still no food. Their mom
is crying out to Hashem.
And as the sun's setting, a a truck full
of potatoes is going down the road. It
hits a bump and a sack of potatoes falls
off. I heard this from by Ginsburg. I
think it's Leia Rabinowitz's father. I
think I think Leia Rabinowitz. That's
Gabrielle Ginsburg. Yeah. From Toronto.
Yeah. So I heard the story from him and
I never heard any sort of print or
anything just from him. And the uh so
the sun sets, they go and they get the
bag of potatoes and they peel it and
they make soup and everyone eats supper.
Now when they dive a mar it's not with
the same screaming as as the mina was.
Sal gets up and says if you gave up your
for a sack of potatoes the goal was the
potatoes that wasn't the goal. The goal
was the vitan. That's
great. I think one of the reasons why
people struggle also with is like
the says in where he talks about and he
says that people struggle and this is
the age-old question
asked and and the
delineates five reasons or so why
sadikim struggle in this world and then
six reasons or so why rish prosper in
this world
and very
good men, women who are just trying to
do the right thing and they're
struggling whether with a livelihood
or you know whatever it
is and they say you know I'm trying my
best and and it just things don't seem
to be going my way and then they look at
and they seem people who are maybe on a
lower level of who seem to be prospering
and doing well and and people really
struggle with that and I think whether
people want to admit it or not that's
one of the biggest impediments to them
really
internalizing and trusting that is
orchestrating every single component of
this world that we can't even lift a
finger without enabling us to do so and
I know this is a a loaded question but
having written these
far how how would you answer someone who
posed that question to you
you know that is the question that
Mosher Rabeno asked there really is no
answer to this question. It's one of the
most difficult questions and people that
are suffering, you know, they're just
they why is this going on, right? Why is
this why is this happening? What's, you
know, what's going on? And there is no
good answer. We don't have an answer for
them. Why is this going on? And like you
said, sometimes it's going on for the
struggle itself that they don't realize
this point. To me, that's the most
potent answer is that you don't know
what your struggling is doing now. You
don't know what you're accomplishing
with this. You think you're writing the
road map. You think if only I would have
this and have that and have the other
thing. Now the question is what do you
mean? But I thought gets what I want to
have. So again, do you have we don't
know and also there's an unbelievable
leashm that says that when a kadesh
doesn't want someone to have something
he's not going to allow him to have.
Mhm. So he'll make the guy depressed.
He'll take away his because ultimately
you can't like you said it's not the
magic button. You're going to outsmart
God if he doesn't want you to have it.
He won't let you have I mean the Kazones
didn't have children you know uh the the
people died in Wasim and died in the
Holocaust. Did he not have bet? Sure.
Right. So the answer is that died you
know. So we made a noise and he you
can't you can't beat the system. Right.
Right. Right. That that that's an
important point. People look at like
you're saying is not a way to beat the
system. Right. You mentioned few people
in history have lived more tragic or
difficult lives than David and yet he is
the one beautiful who wrote but I'm
saying he suffered so much and it didn't
say oh look I'm you know if I'm
suffering must be there's something
wrong with me you know he suffered so
much and and uh and he produced what he
produced it wasn't uh and it's it's
important to understand this that we at
the beginning the I'm sorry not
beginning at at the end the close you
both write the highest level he says is
he must earn you're giving yourself over
to Hashem the B writes this
also I don't have an opinion I don't
have an opinion that's and he says
that's why the lesson we used to learn
great they said I I'm going to start you
know what's good so I'm not even going
to maybe the didn't even didn't even use
talking for children he didn't he it's
hard to fathom right but he says they
didn't want to be matriarch you know
what's good I I'll leave it to you.
Interesting. One of the other things
that people very often think about that
that hold them back from really relying
is that they say I'm not worthy. You
know, various things like that, but the
famously
said Russia, right?
even if he's a Russian even if he's a
Russian that that's the power of now you
have to understand how someone could
really have true if they're Russia right
and so on and so forth but theoretically
one's you know a mitzvah scale has
really nothing to do with is an
independent power if someone is really
reliant and I would use the word
surrender someone really surrendered to
that's the that's the power and I I find
that in your new book in your new safer
that this is a constant message of of
when you really surrender you really
rely on you you merit that that
transformational feeling of of being
enveloped by the love and care of the
and then however things play out you
know you know that that you're in the
best possible hands that's really what I
think this book is going to do to people
when people pick it up they're going to
emerge even after reading just a few
chapters as as It's interesting. Um,
Ravulba has a pamphlet that was put out
by the Sans Cloenberg Lenato Hospital in
Tanya and they had different speakers
goes back 40 50 years ago and they put
out a pamphlet of different speakers.
Revol was one that spoke to a group of
psychiatrists and psychologists about
mental health and religion and
spirituality. And he says there that he
found that people are the depressed
reading them. He says he did it himself.
If you read a puzzle be talking with
feeling enthusiasm, he could take a
person out of his depression. Really?
Wow. He says he he saw it himself.
Actually, I learned in Bayakov. Byakov
was down the road. There was a there was
a mental hospital down the road from
from they used to sometimes inmates or
whatever call them inmates, patients
would would even walk into the yeshiva.
Wow. But um he he had a lot to do with
mental health and he had people that
were you know severely depressed and he
he saw that with Suki he could pull you
out. It's interesting when I I was in
Bayyako at the tail end 1981 I think it
was when Arva decided to leave Bayako
and I came to him when I heard that he
was leaving and I just started to get
close to him I I I was crying and I said
what should I do and he saidd I said
what do you
mean he was the first one who who read
to me and said use that for your h
Oh, I wanted to mention this book has
been sponsored by our good
friend. He sponsored Zerimshin. He
sponsored art schools
Majam and uh it's a tremendous uh it's a
tremendous that he has to be able to be
maritz this type of work. There's a
beautiful dedication. He dedicated this
book in honor of the October 7th heroes.
Right. It's worth buying the book just
to read the dedication. It's beautiful.
Um and I just wanted to really kudos to
him for stepping up to the plate and and
he and he dedicated this with a passion
with an interesting how I met him. Okay.
There's a dish in all in all in
everything especially when you're
working on and you see it. So I'm
looking for a sponsor. there's a lot of
time and effort and work that went into
this book and um I called one person he
wasn't sure and I had called uh Aaron
Ladawitz to tell him that that uh you
know I'm working on this book he said oh
by the way just put out uh from the back
of the bay levy he put out the list of
sukum to give out by his son Ellie Malik
bar mitzvah said oh great so I called up
and I said oh very nice you know I
called I never really talked to him and
he says oh would you like to have some
he says yeah Of course, he went dropped
10 off at my house. The thin little
pamphlet with the hard cover. Beautiful.
That uh by the way, it's I think it's a
great item to give out by Simas is a
ther in the back. The thin list in the
back of the B. So he gave them out.
Okay. Very. And he gave and he gave me a
copy. So I called him up to thank him.
He said, "What more can I do to work on
my puk?" That's what he asked me. I have
this short commentary. I said, "Well,
I'm actually I'm working on a book to
develop it." She says, "Uh, how much
time you need? Six months." I said, "No,
actually six weeks." He says, "Six
weeks? My son's bar mitzvah is in six
weeks. If you could have it out by the
bar mitzvah, I want to sponsor this."
Wow. And sure enough, it came out
Friday. His son's mitzvah was on Sunday
and he gave them out by his son's
absolutely is a
tremendous and
he's anything that could be people and
uplift people, he's there to make it
happen. And he and he made this book
happen. And I had a similar experience
with the basi where originally my friend
Mr. Sam Sassin was was dedicating it and
he was fully behind it and then our dear
friend Mitch Newman was on his own
working on a translation of the Basavy
heard about it said how could this be I
want to put out bas and someone else is
doing it he called me up he said here's
the manuscript that I worked on for two
years and I don't know how much money
put into it just whatever you could do
please use some of it right and we use
some of his his his work in there and
then he called me up he says it's not
enough I have to have a in the ble I
said, "I must." He said, "I owe the
Basil lady my life. I have to do
something for the Basil lady." And I
said, "I'm sorry. I have a dedicator."
He says, "Can I speak to him?" I said,
"Okay, I don't." I said, "I called Mr.
Sass. I said, "You want to speak to
him?" He says, "Okay, I'll have some
fun, you know, let me speak to this
guy." He was not interested. Much begged
and pleaded and begged. I didn't even
know this part that he begged him to be
a pleaded to be a co-sp.
Wow. And now he dedicated the basi on a
rich and we're working on another now
and right so we're looking forward to a
trilogy all three essays to together
it's going to be something special. When
do you eat and sleep? Rabbi Satan, this
is this is all it's a labor of love. A
labor of love. A labor of love. This is
unbelievable. You're doing so much for
people. And you you know you mentioned
the that is an antidote to anxiety, to
depression. It it really I've heard
firsthand cases from professionals.
We're talking about therapists,
psychologists of people grappling with
anxiety uh for different issues. And and
it's it's really it's not just a figment
of people's imagination. Right. I I
would still want to stress don't think a
person who has an anxiety disorder could
do this alone. Right. Right. Not alone.
In consultation with professionals, but
if it's a tyrant professional, Yes. they
could really diagnose where either as a
replacement for medication or in
conjunction with medication or whatever
it is. This is this is the the key to to
peace of mind and serenity is making the
study of amun an integral part of our
lives. Again, not to get what we want
but to connect but but to connect and to
get that uh serenity in and and you're
enabling that. Um so on that note, any
final any final thought or story a word
of something that you could share from
the new book?
So interesting is these sukum in the
back that like you said there's sukum we
never even heard of you know I I
shouldn't say we never heard of but like
I never heard of there's uh there's a
discussion over here
um in the
back it's a story of where he had all
the kings around him he didn't know what
what was going to
and how he uses the van,
right? That's a PK we say every day,
right? It's it's it's brought down. I
think it's in it's brought down the
postkim that when we we sit for because
we we stood and now what else do we do?
We don't know what do we're going to sit
and now what else do we do? We don't
know what else to do. That's why it's
brought down in when you
say to stand up, right? So this comes
from this story over here. And to me,
what the most beautiful part of this
book is, and it's I'm talking to myself,
is I didn't know the background of the
psukin. You read a puss and you don't
realize where was David when he was
writing this puss. What was going
on? Oh, he's probably by a banquet. No,
he's in a desert without anything to And
that brings the the puss alive. That's
to me the most to me like I you know to
is this concept when you read a p and
you see what was
go nothing prevents hashem from saving
whether through many or through few okay
that would be a great you're right when
when we
say so we know he was in a we know he
was in the depths of despair but I think
today is coming here yes he's he's
scheduled to come
M tell him this would be a great I think
you should give him a copy of the book
and say make some I didn't know this
this is on the mar songs out of these
yeah I didn't know this it's a pusk over
here in eve okay I'm not an eov expert
but after the mish and after everything
comes comes I in this uh in the book and
give me a second to find it there's a
pusk over here oh
where's okay let me find one second give
me one
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11:18, you would be confident for there
would be hope. So the famous song, I
didn't know it's it's it's
so we we don't know how many of these
what's going on in the and if we could
make it our staple, you know that you
now you know that song. It's a song. You
know that puk and you're able to uh to
live it. It's beautiful. David, thank
you for the thank you for the
information. Thank you for bringing out
this topic in a in a very relatable,
understandable way. You're enriching so
many people uh with with the gift of the
it's a gift. It's actually we'll discuss
we might as well discuss over here when
we'll get a response from the from the
listeners. So in the in the back of the
bay salvia in his back of this book, we
have a list of sukim with a short
commentary. It's 100 uh there's a total
of uh 120 or so sukim 125 something like
that 120 sukim the moral has another
list of 100 plus sukim the ramal has a
list of another so there's someone that
came to you and said you know I would
like if you just put all the with a
short commentary make a small like
almost carry with you booklet that you
have all theukim that exists a full
comprehensive list of sukim with a short
not a lesson a day that you're going to
get involved in the lesson but just to
use it as a as a companion reader.
That's another idea. Another idea that
that that's in your uh in the in the in
the works in the hopper. But if there's
anyone out there in uh in the that says,
"Hey, I I like that idea." Send send an
email
to whoever it may be to let us know at
Art School. At Art School, you like the
idea. Wow. I I love the idea. I think
this is great. And
uh you tremendous uh tremendous
achievement. And Cla Israel is indebted
to you. you're you're you're helping so
many people uh connect in this unique
way and we thank you for your past
contributions. We give you a braha on
your future contributions. You continue
in
your and we always uh we always feel
honored to have you here. So, thank you
for coming in. Thank you.
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