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Inside ArtScroll - Season 5 Episode 4: Rabbi Joey Haber – Vayimaen
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In this entertaining Inside ArtScroll Interview, Rabbi Joey Haber, rabbi of the Magen David shul in Flatbush and the Beit Yosef shul in Deal who has inspired tens of thousands of people worldwide with his talks, discusses the impact of the Vayimaen movement and the new book by Rabbi Yechiel Spero based on the inspiration of the renowned speakers of the global Vayimaen initiative. [Buy the new book HERE (https://www.artscroll.com/Books/9781422640036.html) .]
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[Music]
Hello everyone and welcome back to
Inside Art Scroll where the books you
read and the people who write them come
to life. Today I am privileged to be
joined by Rabbi Joey Haber, renowned
speaker and Mashia. Thank you Rab Joey
for being here. Thank you very much.
It's very exciting to sit and speak to
you. I know you have a busy schedule.
I'm looking forward as well. And you
managed to squeeze us into the schedule.
Thank you. It's my honor and I really
appreciate you coming out to Rae tomoo.
The truth is it took a Vaya book to get
you down here. Yeah, I'm looking forward
because I I really has a very special
place in my heart. So, I'm excited about
the conver and I appreciate you coming
here. I we we're going to have a limited
amount of time, but really with you, we
could go in so many different directions
both about your your career which Bar
Hashem has taken off. you're you're
really speaking in so many so many
places different audiences you seem to
have a message that resonates with those
audiences
so lucky to have such an eloquent voice.
Thank you. Uh today we are here to
discuss the value book which I I'm going
to start with this. Um you are one of
the many speakers who have spoken for
Vim and it's a remarkable thing the even
popular speakers like yourselves. You
you've addressed massive audiences. You
speak all the time and yet the speakers
of Aim say that the feedback they've
gotten to their clips, however many
they've done, some have done one or two,
some have done many. They say there's
nothing like it. They've never seen
anything like that type of feedback.
Talk about that. So, to me, it's
incredible. When I first got called
about this, it was about a year ago now.
And they called me up. We have this idea
with these videos. I don't even know if
I heard about it before or not, and we
want to know if we could film you a few
videos. I said, "Okay, fine. No problem.
And they came down. Actually, I think
the first one I did was specific for
Super Bowl Sunday. Mhm. And I said,
"Okay, we could talk about avoiding this
watching, you know, I said it's delicate
because there's you don't want to
endorse watching the sub bowl because a
lot of people are living. I don't know
if I'm
speaking and they're not watching
anything and you don't want to even hint
to the fact that they are. And then
there's other people that really are
watching the Subo. nothing you could do
about it, but you want them to sort of
be a little careful about what they see
and don't see the halftime show, the
commercials, and be and have a certain
standard. And I said, "Okay, I'm going
to try." And we did a video that day and
I couldn't whatever a week before they
put it out that day and I couldn't
believe how many places it was and all a
sudden everywhere I go all of a sudden
we saw your video, we saw a video, the
Super Bowl video, we saw the video like
what? I didn't know what Vine is. Uhhuh.
And now all of a sudden I'm hearing
about it from every different direction.
And then we did a many more. And each
time now I walk into a room and people
won't tell me, "Oh, you spoke here. You
spoke there. I saw this clever." Very
often the first time I greeted, oh,
you're the guy. I loved your vaan video.
I'm like, how about everything else?
There really people seems to be that
vayan captured the imagination of Kalia
in a very very dramatic way.
Unbelievable. It's unbelievable. So,
like I said, the other night I was my
you walk in the door. Three people. I
loved your body mind. The one about the
story about the guy you had the story
the person didn't go to Vegas. He had
like people asked me there's a soft
cipher that I set over in a recent V
mine. I got asked in so many different
places. Could you show it to me inside?
Can I? I was like, how'd this happen? It
it's only a year and a half old, right?
I mean, I think I have a lot of reasons
how it happened. So I was going to what
do you think especially in light of the
fact
that is built on the topic
of which it's it's expanded over the
last year or so speakers have taken the
liberty perhaps they're exhausting the
number of times you could talk about the
shaalis on the you know there's only
there's only so much tyra on that topic
okay and perhaps people are exhausting
the the ver that they have so they're
expanding to talk about overcoming
challenges in general but what's what's
interesting is that the main topic is
Shamir Hayim Kadusha topics that growing
up in Flapush. You grew up in Lakewood,
New Jersey, right? I grew up in deal and
I went but I went to school in Lakewood
in the most innocent time of it. When we
grew up without asking your age, I know
we may be in the same age bracket. These
were topics that were not discussed when
we grew
up and things like that. It was it was
almost a taboo topic. It was something
that was that was
kept somewhat under under wraps and and
it was something that everyone dealt
with individually. It was an individual
aid not a public aid and then comes and
brings it out into the public and
surprisingly so there seems to be this
this embrace of the topic. What what do
you think that is? So I I first of all I
think there's a lot of why V by Mine is
so successful and then I'll get to the
Shmeir and I part of it specifically as
far as why Vine is so successful. First
of all I think they're really careful
with the speakers they choose. It's not
just any guy who can talk that they take
clips from. I think number two is they
they they really make sure the content
is good. Like there are times I was
talking to them I said I I made seven
clips. Do you put them all out? I like
they said no no we put only the home run
ones out. So they really care about what
they do and they produce it very well.
Right. That we know. So it's literally a
mini movie. So here you have a a a movie
that's obviously kosher that's literally
there's a story there's a like the way
it's made the way it's produced is is is
incredible. But I think the biggest
reason why it's so popular and part of
the reason why to your question why it's
talked about so much more today is
because the struggle is humongous. And
it's something that I realized by how
many people came over to me about it. I
said basically if you tell me you love
my V mind videos or you love mind in
general that means you're saying in
essence you struggle with this topic
because if I was telling people when
you're walking on the street make sure
you don't glance at the squirrel no one
was going to be saying to me I don't
know if I should say it that way but if
I was on the streets and saying be
careful that that you're careful about
the the trees no one's going to say wow
that was uh that's so inspiring. Mhm.
It's obviously inspiring because it's
something you struggle with. Mhm. And I
think our generation is struggling with
this more than any previous generation.
And the reasons are very obvious. The
reasons are because um marketing and and
and pictures have advanced in such a
dramatic level. So people have screens
in their home. Even the forest homes
have a screen with a computer. They have
internet. They don't have internet. They
have filtered internet. There's a lot of
that. Then you have all the phones and
everything that's on the phones. And
then you have the advancement of you
know just how where there's a lot of
from people in the in the working for in
the workforce which means they're tested
often about what where what their eyes
are seeing and and then at the same time
you have it just our communities are
bigger the amount of people we're around
are bigger. It just has become an
incredible nayon. So to not talk about
it would really not be addressing the
topic that everyone out there is
struggling with. So there may have been
a time when you even and you know it's
funny one of the value mind videos that
got a lot of feedback on which is to
this po which I think answers part of to
answer your question is that these days
there's even a struggle within the from
community that means that the the the
guarding of of your eyes is not just to
guard your eyes on something
inappropriate it's even from things that
are appropriate and what's happened is
that the from community you said I grew
up around Lakewood. The F community at
at that point was so pure and was so
insulated. You know what I'm saying? I
love telling this. I went to Lakewood
when there were two parallel classes in
the whole town of Lakewood. Just digest
that. Two parallel classes for boys in
the whole town. I don't know if people
know Lakewood. There's a building in
Lakewood called the Legion building.
It's next to Yeshiva. Sure. That's the
whole schooling. When you went to the
there was I was in the leader building
till about fourth grade fifth grade we
moved to the earth and BMG was in one
building BMG was in one B one B Yan and
that was it and then I remember when
they built Bio yeah across the street
every we remember watched the whole step
but the town was you know it went as far
as Madison you know I don't want to get
into details of Lakewood but was
basically went as far Madison was
Clifton was the was the border on one
side and and you know maybe second
street was the border on one side
there's a few people that lived over the
lake it was like a thing over the lake
and other people live 14th Street. That
was the whole square. So people's life,
the way people live, the way people
dressed, the way people what people were
were was saw around them was all very
very
um very appropriate. Mhm. So the nan in
the mach so to speak was not so great.
And now all of a sudden, and I'm not
just picking like any town that's in the
from world and in the Jewish world, all
of a sudden the horizons and the
mentalities have expanded, right? So now
all of a sudden even what's described as
a from family is much broader and much
more colorful than it used to be. So
there's not in our there's not there's
test outside of it and there's tests in
the fact that there screens pushed in
our face in a 100 different ways. So
it's become a humongous challenge and
because it's become a humongous
challenge I think that's why it's taken
off in a dramatic dramatic way and it
seems that also because people are
struggling with it from my vantage point
what I see is
that besides for providing real
time you know ways to deal with it it
was a validation it was saying we
understand your struggle that alone it's
a great point because I think this is a
and I don't know Maybe we have to
discuss it with Gdelm to see what it's
supposed to be. But there was a time
that it felt like that the approach to
the topic almost was you should feel
guilty that you ever have a tava at all.
Like the fact that you ever have a
thought to to you should feel guilty
that you have that that that feeling.
It's very delicate to talk about this.
Even as I'm talking to you about it,
I'll tell you the truth. I'm
uncomfortable because you want to use
words like again you this is to me this
is very important about this topic in
general. Excuse me for putting this in
parenthesis but if you're going to talk
about this if you're going to talk about
it the right way you have to talk about
it there has to be as nondescriptive as
possible. Absolutely. Because if you
describe something even if every word is
kosher and every description is kosher
that itself is is a breach is a breach.
Right. So, as I'm talking to you, I'm
struggling because I'm trying to make
sure that the words we're using are
really coming out the right way. That's
a great point. And by the way, I've
noticed that also in the mind videos,
there's so much in in the way the
messages are presented. And I want to
just to segue to the book for a second.
Rabbi Spiro did an unbelievable job on
this book. I'm telling you, it is a
phenomenal book. You you read the book
and you feel uplifted. And what he did
was he took the imagery of the videos
that makes Vay so interesting and he
actually captures it in the book if
that's possible and he does it in such
an adal way such a gentle way. Wow. So
that before we get to to the book for a
second I'm just saying this struggle
that we're talking about it there used
to be a feeling of like if you ever
struggle with this you should feel bad
about yourself and now it's
transitioned. I'm not sure if it's
through the direction of Gdoleim or just
happened. But it's transitioned to if
you struggle with this, you're a regular
person. It's almost like if you don't
struggle with this, we have to worry. If
you struggle with this, you're a regular
person. And but now do your best to work
on it. So the feeling that maybe Vim
created is this is a universal struggle.
Now let's work on it. and every day
having these positive, uplifting,
energizing videos that are telling a
person how to lift themselves out of
that feeling and how I know you feel
this way. It's okay you feel this way,
but now don't. I think that has
resonated tremendously with now getting
to spiro. So, first of all, I just want
to tell you is a beautiful person. I I
we've interacted a number of times and
we've become very friendly. In fact,
he's spoken a couple of times on our
behalf and different things we've done.
And he, you know, he'll he's he's just
wonderful. He's humble. He'll send a
beautiful comment. Sometimes a speech of
mine will send a comment. I loved it. I
love how you said it. And I'm like, you
know, you kind of spiro like you don't
need a bow. It's just there's something
very beautiful about his demeanor and
his way and his humility and his and the
way he does things is is really
phenomenal.
Um, that being said, yes, his way to
write and the truth is I I don't know if
I should admit this, but his some of the
books that I love to read that in my
first speeches I used to incorporated
were his books. Touched by a story one,
touched by a story two. If you come in
my house, you'll see half the pages
folded. Those are the ones that I like
would like to tell over. By the way,
your stories also I love telling over. I
thank you. So um but he really does a
phenomenal job and he really picks
fantastic stories and his way of writing
really brings it out in a beautiful way.
So having him be the person to do this
um I think even adds another level of
strength and legitimacy to it and the
way he writes he writes in a beautiful
way. He always does. I you know I once
asked him like how you put out so many
books so fast. I don't know what is he
has his ways and how he does it but he
does it. He gets it done really
unbelievably. Maybe it helps living in
Baltimore. Maybe the chaos of New York.
I don't know. Maybe, you know, maybe
there's parking where he lives in the
end.
But he really does. He's a he's a great
talent. And I I'll echo your sentiment.
He's he he's one of the most talented
people I know. And that's not even his
biggest mile. I hear you. Yes. No, he
really he's a gem of a person. And he
was the right person for this for this
project for sure. Now, we're we're
talking about these struggles. You're
someone who speaks to many audiences,
men, women, boys, girls, and so much of
what you speak about is tapping into
that that inner nishama, the strength to
overcome. What is the message that you
typically give over when you want to
talk about whether it's RN's challenges,
whether it's peer pressure, what
ultimately is that home run message that
you find resonates with your audience?
So the first thing is you've got to you
have to come from an up place, not from
a down place. Not like don't don't turn
don't see something inappropriate
because you're bad if you do so. Not
that like we we always we're always
wrong and always and and there were
times in Claus that maybe that was the
message. I don't think it is now. I
think now we're Claus is struggling a
lot mentally too. The pressure on people
is intense. Like the average person has
a lot of emotional struggle. Raising
children is harder than anyone mar
imagine. Having the real shalom bay the
way you really envision it is harder
than anyone imagined. Cost of living is
just not even fair and it's ridiculous.
So now you're starting off every person
wakes up in the morning. So many people
in this in our people today living
beautiful lives wake up in a cold sweat
and they start to think about their day
and they get a this bill this challenge
this kid this school there's a lot
that's going on so people have to be
lifted up that's what they need and
those are the messages that are
resonating across right now the most you
know what I'm saying beam is lifting
people up you know it's always it's
always with that positive always somehow
lifting people up so I
that that's the a the A is that it has
to come from something that makes you
feel excited not something that makes
you feel beat down
um a message now when it comes to vayan
in a personal level what I like to talk
about a lot is that I really think that
when a person does not is not careful
about kadusha and is not careful about
where their eyes wander I think those
people are much more frustrated so I
think you have this added advantage
That's not the reason why we do it. The
reason why a person has to be is because
Hashem said you have to be a lot of
times when we make things comfortable
and we sell it to you. It's almost like
you should listen because of the sales
pitch. You're not listening because of
the sales pitch. You're listening
because Hashem said to do so. But the
sales pitch I think happens to be fairly
easy on this one because people that
eyes are all over the those people are
not happy people. That's obviously going
to just make you more frustrated. The
concept of being jealous. Let's say we
talked about just your eyes wandering to
seeing what other people's cars and
other people's homes. Most people don't
get happy seeing someone else's house
being bigger than theirs. So the
Seeing things that that you don't have
is not helping you. It's not making you
happier. So the easy cell on this
is the more you the more self-control
you use, the more you're able to say no,
the more happiness and you're bringing
into your life right away, easily
directly that minute. Mhm. So, first it
has to be uplifting and secondly it has
to be um and it has to be something
where where you realize you're going to
be happier. Again, the challenge of this
is is that we've been able I think a lot
of speakers today have been able to sell
um a Torah lifestyle so nicely that it
becomes more about the sales pitch than
it does like for example and this is not
about but it's a good example. There's
so many stories out there about the
person davin and they got saved. I hate
those stories because really Hashem
decides if you're going to get saved or
not. I'm not saying I've never said
those stories, but I try to avoid those
stories at all costs because it makes
people feel like like that's how it
works. So I understand you're trying to
sell Davening. You're trying to sell
Tifila. So the way you sell Tifila is
you say, "We know this guy. The doctors
went in, they checked his heart. He
needed he had a disease all over. They
couldn't even do surgery. And then they
said to Haleem and they opened up his
gone forever and he lived half after.
Wonderful story. They're easy to tell.
They're fun to tell and they do inspire
people to din until someone dins and it
doesn't work and they die for someone
and the person didn't live and now all
of a sudden they come back. And again, I
work a lot with the Syrian, not with
with modern part of of of the Jewish
world and also a lot with the front part
of Jewish world, but the modern part of
Jewish world struggles with this. I dive
and it didn't work. The answer is
whoever told you that's the equation.
You do because Hashem told you to dive.
You ding because you connect to Hashem.
You ding because you're a servant of
Hashem. You do because that's a that is
our way to serve and connect. That's our
way that we build ourselves and we build
our strength. That's why you dab it and
not because of results.
So the same thing is true
here is our obligation. I don't care
whether you like it or not. I don't care
whether life is happier by closing your
eyes or not. It's our obligation. But it
also happens to be that people that are
it's so much easier to be focused. It's
so much easier to be happy. I think that
becomes a very powerful that becomes a
powerful message and I think and the
message is also beyond the shme and
kaduca component right is also as many
of the speakers have alluded to is
tapping into the what what we were
talking about before the inner strength
and fortitude to say no to different
things it might be materialistic it
might be different types of peer
pressure it's really building strength
to do what I want to do not to be forced
by outside forces. Right? So that um I I
think is a message that I personally
love and I I've said this a lot of time
in speeches. I'll share it again here.
Anytime I get an excuse to share it, I
like sharing it. And that is I was once
I was once struggling like I'm trying to
teach my children and I'm trying to
teach them like how we want to be our
kids. And now you find the kids saying
but that family does it that way. That
family does that. So sometimes I say,
"Well, we're more Yeshivish than them."
And then, "Oh, but that family doesn't
do it." Oh, we're more normal than them.
So I keep going back and forth from like
I have to knock everybody in order to
make my
kids agree with our mahala. And then I I
had a thought and it was a random place.
We were in Philadelphia. We were going
on a trip. We were going to take a horse
and buggy ride. We were sitting outside
the horse and buggy and we were on at
some table or something and and the kids
were waiting. They had a half hour wait.
I said, "Guys, I want to tell you
something." So, my kids are all sitting
at the table. I said, "There's such a
thing in the world as a brand. Fargamo
is a brand. Nike is a brand. Disney is a
brand. Coca-Cola is a brand. Uh Gucci is
a
brand. Toyota is a brand. Every there's
brands. Each brand has a very distinct
style and everyone within that brand
understands the style. So, everyone in
Coke understands the kind of products
that would be under the Coke heading.
Everyone at Disney understands what fits
with Disney. This this cartoon fits with
Disney. That's not a Disney type.
Everyone knows you go to Disney theme
parks, I think they're made in the way
that everything is all Disney. Gucci,
there's certain leathers that they'll
use. Other leathers, they don't even you
don't bring it into Gucci because that's
our way. I said families also are a
brand. Each family has a brand and they
have a style and they're known for
certain things and they're good at
certain things and they have certain
strengths and it doesn't mean that that
family is better than another family
means it's what they're known for. I
said our habers we're a brand based on
our grandparents based on based on my
grandparents based on your grand my
parents based on myself based on mommy
and us uh based on your aunts and
uncles. We have a certain style and
we're most conditioned for that style.
So what and when people see you, they
see that style. It doesn't mean that
we're our style is better than others.
It just means this is ours and this is
our unique blend that we could serve
Hashem with in a very be hopefully
beautiful way. And like a light bulb
went on in their head. It was like they
got it and it didn't have to I don't
have to knock anything else. And it
doesn't mean you can't get a lot from
everything. Of course, you're getting a
lot from all Russia Shivas, other
families and other things that you can
learn from, but ultimately it fits into
our way. And every one of my kids, I got
to get there with my youngest, but but
my younger ones, but every one of my
older kids that like they get our bought
in and it's easy. I don't have to sell
it to them. I don't have to feel like
like I have to convince them what we do.
And and our family is certain unique
way, a certain way. We are very sheish
in a certain way. We have a very normal
side. They like not every family has
that blend, but we have that blend and
my kids are very comfortable with that
blend. But you're saying really every
family on their level could every family
can create that that we're a brand and
you should be proud of what we once
you're proud of the brand, it's easy to
say no to other things and every family
has to have that now and and I think
most families could. Now, can I ask you
a a technical question? If if my father
is Rabbi Joey Haber and he's fairly
wellknown and he's an eloquent speaker
and he's out there and he's making a
difference. So if I'm your child, yeah,
it's, you know, I like the brand. It's a
pretty good brand. But not every family
is is high-profile. Not every family has
parents who are prominent or even
successful. They're different levels.
How do you how would you inculcate that
pride in a in a run out of mill family
where they don't have that cache? Okay,
I appreciate the compliment. You made me
uncomfortable. I'm not sure what to say,
but I appreciate what he's saying that.
Um, but I would say is this. Every
family has a success and every family
has something and and and if you want
your kids to buy in, you have to have
some success. It could be your the
father is very good at it could be the
father is very helpful in the shul. It
could be the mother is very involved in
certain things in the community. If if
you want your children to look up to
you, they have to see a little bit of
validation of what you are. And at some
point, again, it doesn't have to be
something that shatters the world, but
it has to be something that that there
is a reason. And if you find a f like,
you know, is a little success, like I
said, maybe maybe you have guests come
to your house a lot, so you're
successful at bringing guests over.
You're successful at being very fun
people. There's some area of success.
Kids want to follow success. There's
some area of success that has to come
out. And again, the definition of
success could be very different. You
could be you could be a good Shiloh
second seder that does a wonderful job
in the brim love you and you really lift
up those bakim very much. That's
success, right? You get what I'm saying?
And you could be a person who who works
in a store and the people that come and
you make a simple salary, but everyone
loves coming to the store because you
greet them wonderfully. That's also
success. So maybe this is a little
shalishma. Maybe it should be that that
you shouldn't need success in order to
follow your your parents. It's true. But
the advice to parents would be is that
ultimately if you want your children to
follow you, some kind of success is
critical. I want to tell you I love I
love the concept. I think from a
standpoint it's vital. It's interesting
that people don't really talk about it.
This this this nuda I've thought about
it a lot. I never thought of it as a
brand. I always thought about instilling
in your children pride to be who they
are and it really comes it filters down
from the parents. But I love how you're
framing it as a brand. You're a brand.
Every family is a brand. And it takes
effort and time to cultivate that. Yeah.
You also have to validate the kids
within the brand. If you're successful,
but the kids have like have no
connection or different interest, then
they're not interested. I'll give you
I'm I'm pretty open. I give you a scary
conversation that happened last night.
My youngest son's teacher calls up. She
couldn't get my wife on. She calls me. I
know I answered. I answered. She says,
"Raba, hey, can I speak to you?" I said,
"I'm actually busy. I'm going to a
meeting right now. Can you call me?" She
says, "I really want to tell you
something." I said, "Okay, I'll call you
later." I I said, "My my wife will call
you back." Now, I've called the teacher
back. Teacher says by the way my wife
tells me by the you know what the
teacher said I said what the teacher
said teacher said that our son says that
my father doesn't have any time for me
ever and my father's very busy and my
father speaks all over and he never has
any time for
me. So I was like oh wow I'm the guy who
talks about spending time with your
children and all that stuff. So, and as
I sure enough as I was this is my wife
is telling this I'm leaving the house to
go make a speech somewhere in Q Garden
Hills and come back and I'm like
uh so first of all that night I came
right when I came home um my son likes
to see me he likes to know that I'm home
for the night which I'm often not. So I
right away he could tell if I'm home for
the night. put on something relaxed in
my I said so I I right away John went to
my room put on something looked calm and
I called him to my room I said mosha
come in here he says that I said you
want to talk to me more he says yeah I
said do you realize that we're very
close he says yeah I said in all
likelihood we're closer than most
fathers and sons in your class just want
to be clear he says I know I said you
realize that for five years I put you to
sleep almost every night telling you the
story of David we went through half of
we went through the whole shel theim the
half of Yoshua and the whole shaft team
together like let's just relax on the
you know I said but I know what happened
over there was a winter vacation for the
Syrian community and I didn't go away so
every night I stayed home with him and
we spent time together I said I know you
want to have know that you have time
with me so let's schedule a time I said
Thursday night 9th he says oh you're
going to give me in a month from now so
he's liking the manipulation because he
knows he knows it's my weak point so
here's my weak point to make me feel
like I'm not a great father. So I said
to him, I said, "No, no. Thursday, this
is Tuesday night." I said, "Thursday
night from 9:30 was out to Hashem. 9:30
we sit down, we spend time, we'll play
game time." I said, "Is that good?" I
said, "And then on Thursday night, we're
going to schedule another time." So he
walked out, he felt great. But that's a
big component, too. The kids need to
feel like you're in tune to them. And
this is a whole another topic, a whole
thing we could get into, but there
requires some success.
It requires a standard and it requires
also you very much validating them and
their feelings and their struggles and
giving them their time that they need.
So I appreciate the teacher's call
because she's kind of got me moving. I
don't think it's as bad as it sounded
like if I said oh we sound like that
whole horror story the father he's so
busy it turns out his own son like you
know it sounds like a great story but I
think that that to get back to va I
think that that really is where it boils
down to every family in amel needs to be
proud of what it means to be part of
this family it's the stories of our
grandparents our great-grandparents our
zis our bubbas our ela zadis it's the
stories of our of our ourselves and our
own accomplishment ments. It's the pride
and the beauty of being in this home.
There has to be joy in the house. There
has to be happiness in the house. There
has to be, if I could use the word, fun
in the house. This has to be an
uplifting place. Once you're uplifted
and you're energized and you believe in
what it means to be you, then all the
restrictions that are required are easy
to do. So if you go to the the former
queen of England and you said that there
are guidelines and and this is something
I said once in a speech that I also got
a ton of feedback. It's just a regular
speech that went around and I said the
guidelines there's guidelines of what's
allowed in the queen's wardrobe.
I'm sure it's annoying but it's never
difficult because in the end of the day
if that's what it takes to be the queen
I'm in. Mhm. So the same thing is true
with us that if we believe in our brand
and more importantly if we believe in
our royalty and our relationship with
Hashem and we're proud of it then it
becomes not so difficult to say no to
the things that make us us. And that's
the concept of the concept is you could
say no to that because you're not saying
no to something you're really saying yes
to something much better. So to say no
to something that just no is very
frustrating. And yes, for a buck when
you're 20 years old, right now it's just
no. It's not like because of that you're
more focused in your home and your
family that didn't start yet. So right
now it's very difficult. But ultimately
then no is going to lead to a much more
powerful yes. It's going to lead to a
focus in your home and and a and a
belief and a trust within your marriage
and within your family. That's
incredible.
So when you when you're excited about
what you're doing and you're excited
about where it's taking you, I think
that enables you the work that it takes
to get there and this the the
restrictions and the discipline that
takes to get there becomes a lot easier.
On a totally on a on a totally different
topic, I'm going to treat myself now. I
want to ask you I'm very intrigued. It's
not every day I get to have you sitting
here, but as you say that to every guy
that sits here. No, no, I don't. I
don't. Um, every guest is special in
their own way. 100%. I don't want to get
in trouble. Appreciate. I appreciate I
don't want to get in trouble. You're
gonna get me in trouble with some
people. All the guests have been great
in their own way. I know. I know. They
each bring something special to the
table. But I want to ask you to f three
or four questions. You could answer them
together, but I'm really intrigued to
hear what you have to say. Even if the
camera was off, I would want to ask you
this. Number
one, who's a speaker of speakers who
growing up who you looked up to and you
wanted to emulate in terms of the way
they were able to empower people and
inspire people? Number one. Number two,
what do you think makes a good
speech? Number three,
um how long do you prepare for a speech
and can you use the same speech multiple
times? And before just a side thing,
you're speaking to many different
audiences, both Ashkanazi and Svardi,
but you yourself are Svardi. So I'm
curious how you decide when you use what
pronunciation and how you don't get
confused because you seem to do it so
smoothly. So Okay. Wow, that was a ton.
Okay, go one at a time. Not the first
one first. I have to think about that
one because I never fully do it. Go one
at a time. What makes a good speech? Is
it the content delivery, stories, um
beginning and end? What what what what's
the secret? Okay, there's a ton of
things to it. First thing that makes a
good speech is being incredibly in tuned
to what the crowd is looking for. You
need to think. I start off preparing
every speech. No one wants to hear a
word Joey H has to say. That's my intro
in my head. No one wants to hear me.
Just because I'm standing here doesn't
mean they want to hear me. I'm now I
know they don't want to hear me. How
what do I know they want to hear about?
What are they thinking about? What do
they care about? What's on their mind?
So the goal, the first step is no matter
which audience you're in, what's in
their head? You know, every single time
I make a speech, no matter where it is,
I'll talk to the people involved and
I'll ask them a thousand questions. And
a lot of times, if there's a few
speeches, a lot of speeches in a week,
I'll make sure to ask that people, those
people close enough to the speech so I
could remember and get into their head.
How what's the background? What's the
kind of people? How many people are
going to be there? What's the setting?
What are they thinking about? How from
are they? What's their dynamic? How
religious with the men or woman? Are
they Oh, where did they send their kids
to school? A million questions to sort
of feel like what it feels like to be
them. So, the most important component
of a speech is being in tune to what the
crowd is thinking about. That's the
olive. Um, bet is Yeah, you can never
talk down to a crowd. The crowd always
has to feel like you respect them and
you believe in them. So, if a crowd ever
feels like you're a little dismissive of
anything about them, you could rebuke.
And a lot of times the speeches can be
very direct but it comes in a way that
the crowd feels lifted up. Now at the
same time also you want to make it
interesting. Now a lot of people think
stories are interesting and are not. The
truth is today it's not even so true
because everyone's heard a million
stories. A good vart like hits you. Mhm.
So, and I you can't always get a good
vart because sometimes the emtt is not
the best most ringing perfectly placed
vart. It's just the emmed sometimes you
I mean out of viashi is under the
category of of a of a sweet easy vart to
hear. So, but when you can a good v you
want to be interesting throughout. So,
even when you're not telling a story, it
should feel somewhat like a story. So,
it should feel like there's something
that's taking place. which leads to
another component is that anytime you're
using an analogy or a mashal or anything
like that, if you could put it in a
story form, it's much better. So if you
say the man went to the store, let's say
the man went to the store, I'm already
done. I'm I fell asleep. But if you say
yesterday when I went to Walgreens,
that's all of a sudden it's more
intriguing. It's like, okay, what
happened? Right? So if you and that's
and then another thing that I use I
think more than I I would say this
became my thing is I use a lot of
personal stories and the personal
stories that I use often don't make me
look good and it's funny you said just
like the story just now I told you that
the teacher called up and said that my
son just told a few teachers in the
school that I never get my father's time
that did not make me look good but you
know what it also did is half the people
that are listening to this are saying Oh
wow. Cuz I had a similar experience.
Either the teacher called or the teacher
didn't call, but I sort of feel that way
like my son feels like I'm not paying
attention or my daughter feels like. So
all of a sudden they feel like one
second he he he he knows my life. So
saying vulnerable stories for some
reason for a lot of people is hard to
do. I don't find it hard to do because I
maybe because I've seen how much it's
resonated and I remember the first time
I told the personal story. It wasn't
even the best story, but the crowd
reacted in a unique way. And I think
when you tell those stories, now again,
someone once said to me, it's similar to
the whole idea of the brand. You can't
tell a story that makes you look bad and
now everyone thinks of you as bad.
You're talking about an audience that
came to hear me or turned it on in their
car to hear me. So, they obviously think
I have some level of competence. So, now
to make myself vulnerable comes off as
cute. Whereas if I just make myself look
like a schlub then that's that's not
vulnerable. That's just never. So
there's a balance. So there's a balance
of that. So I gave you a bunch of
components of I think of what makes it
obviously good stories always resonate.
We we love a good story but I think a
lot of those things are what resonates
and makes and how how about delivery?
What what part of a delivery talks to
you that you know that is it is it
someone's vocabulary? Is it their
energy? Is it their passion? So what do
you think it is? I think all of those
things work. I think having sometimes I
wish I had a better vocabulary. Um it's
funny my brother speaks my brother Rabbi
Davidid he's actually done a few months.
He has a great vocabulary. Um I I I
sometimes I wish I had a better
vocabulary. Um but I do think it helps.
Now you could also get to where your
vocabulary is too hard too much and it's
like okay he's Mr. Perfect. I got it.
I'll see you later. So a little bit the
the the realness of it is is important
but the high vocabulary I think helps. I
think a strong delivery that that
expresses expresses the emotion of the
speech. So at times you're sad, it
should feel sad. At times you're happy,
it should feel happy. At times you're
you're driving home a point that should
feel like it's driven home. At times you
got to go slow. At times you have to go
fast. So balancing all of that, but it's
really expressing the emotion uh as it's
happening that I think becomes powerful
in terms of a delivery. Now I asked you
about preparation. How how much time do
you prepare? Way more than anyone
imagines. Really? My first speeches were
about I was still learning in Lakewood
and it was maybe 22 23 years ago. I used
to give a a share to four people around
the table. I prepared 10 hours. Four
people 45 minutes. And the preparation
and and at that time I would say that
was the best decision I ever made in my
life.
Maybe my wife may she I know but I'm
saying that was the one of the best
decisions ever made because you have to
prepare well. Now at this point are
there times that I wing it? There are
times that I wing it but everything that
is like if I'm creating an original
speech I try to put in a ton of time.
Let's say you addressed a huge audience
of women and girls the nades event. It
was an arena literally an arena of of
women and girls. How much time did you
spend on that? Okay. So that the whole
thing of that was a nace. I could tell
you the story ongoing. But long story
short, they didn't tell call me to come
and do it until a week before. That
means I am right now booked for speeches
in June. Really? May, June. Not not
saying the whole schedule. There's some
people that will still call now for
February. And now for those watching,
it's it's now the early February, right?
I say, but the point is and you could
you could have there'll be other people
that will call two, three weeks in
advance. But nicadesh called on a
Tuesday night. It was going to be the
event was gonna be the next Wednesday
night. And they basically were saying
that they they they wanted like a little
bit of like I guess they wanted to make
sure that it wasn't only yeshiva. So a
little bit of a like but you were
acceptable. I have a flip on. They I
don't know why they and they said okay
we want to see. So good. So now I all of
a sudden got super focused on it like
nothing else in the world was on my
mind. And now I'm thinking about it. I
prepared a speech. Sunday morning I
called them up and said, "We want to
hear your speech." Sunday morning, I
called them up. I was actually driving
to Lakewood because I had moved to deal
for the summer. I was driving to
Lakewood. I like to learn a BMG when I
have a chance in the summer. So, I was
driving to Lakewood on Sunday morning
and they call me up. Let me hear the
speech. I told them over the whole
speech. They said, "Everyone knows that
already. They nixed the whole thing."
So, now it's Sunday morning. The speech
is Wednesday night. I've never in person
spoken to 25,000 people before in my
life. Um, and 20,000 of them at that
time, maybe 23,000 of them never heard
of me before. I was saying like, why is
someone named Joey on this flyer an
event like it was like
really and and then the Aisha had just
made miracles like all a sudden started
happen. I got to BMG, I bumped it. So I
saw some kid I never knew I came late
because it was after she
deal my son all shows up because he's
learning liquid. I said, "What are you
doing here?" You don't learn this
basement. I should learn the other one.
He said, "No, my friend bumped into
you." I said, "How'd he bump into me?
How'd he even see I saw one guy?" He
said, "Yeah, he saw someone holding a
banishai." He figured it was it was you.
I never No one brings a beneskai into
liquid Yeshiva. I never in my life
brought a benes. Some reason that Sunday
I did. My son says, "By the way, you
know, Dad, you're speaking in the Kadesh
in three days." Like, "Yeah, you know
what you're going to say?" I said, "The
truth is they just nixed it on my drive
here." He says, 'Why don't you say the
speech with the king and the speech with
the the story with the king and the
story with the eagle? I was like,
whoa, that's great. I'm going to do
that. These are stories I've said
before. That day, right after I was
Yeshiva, I thought of a thing of like we
long story short, I was consumed with
the speech the entire week. I got a lot
of feedback and again, I went to BMG
again the Tuesday before to ask people,
does you do you have technology in the
house? Do you not? I want to feel what
the audience is going with and see the
confusion that the audience is like what
are they thinking? I'm in Brooklyn all
year. I'm not in Lakewood all year.
Majority of the audience was from
Lakewood. So I need to feel what they
were thinking. And then I had a brother
who's a little associated with his name
is Rabbi Yakov, but he's a little
associated with the with the tag and all
that stuff. He called me as I'm in the
arena and he says, "Joey, what are you
going to say?" I I said, "I prepared the
speech already." I said, "You know
what?" I said, "Let me out of respect to
him. He's my younger brother, but I
respect him. Let me share with him the
speech. I share. See, he tweaked 10
things. He said, "Don't say that line.
Do say that line minus that. Don't say
that story. Not not strong. Keeping that
story." And I got up on the stage. And
the took care of the whole. And I mean,
and they called me that morning. They
said, "By the way, just for you to know,
we did a event the night
before. There's only going to be a
thousand people there when you speak." I
said, "What? You got me here all the way
here, this and that, and there's going
to be a thousand people." They said, "By
the time you're done, it'll be full."
Mhm. So I called my brother. I said,
"What should we read?" This brother was
in Lake. I said, "What should we do?" He
said, "Listen, if Hashem got you here,
he'll get you there." Uhhuh. What Hashem
do? I said, I didn't call them back. I
didn't worry. Stood on the stage. The
place was 95% full. And all of the
hookups from all around the world were
all hooked hooked in at that time. And
everyone was like excited to see like
what's this event going to be and what's
the so it became a speech that so many
more people heard than if I would have
been at the end because at the end
people were getting tired of the topic a
little more like that. So Hashem runs
the world. I will tell you this every
single speech I've ever given is a nace
nigla. That means Hashem has to send me
a story of art a thing like I don't know
where it came from every single time.
I'm not exaggerating but it requires a
ton of preparation. a ton ton of
preparation and that all goes back to
the respect of the audience. The
audience is here to hear you. They don't
want to hear you just ramble even though
I just did. They want to hear you
prepared and they want to hear and feel
like you prepared for them. They could
tell when you're prepared and it gets
them up to listen. So just before we
wrap up the conversation um the two is
the two other things I asked you the
pronunciation Ashkanasardi. Okay. And
who Okay. And then and then no I was
just curious if you can't think of I
know I put you on the spot. If there's
anyone who who you you know you emulate
as as as someone who's able to connect
to an audience. Okay. So I I'll answer
both. First of all the ashasari my
background is very very very Syrian. My
parents are Syrian. I was raised in a
Syrian house my entire life. I I prayed
in Syrian shoes my entire life very
Syrian. And my background is also very
very
Ashkanaz. That means I went to Lakewood
went out from five years old and then
after you know 10 grades in Lake from
preschool to nine grades I went to Stan
Yeshiva for seven years. I learned in
Brisker Israel. Then I learned in BMG
for 10 years. So I've heard you now
thousands of Shiran Yiddish. So like I
said, my background is fully ash and
fully Syrian. So I feel very very
comfortable in both. And the truth is
this is where it's tricky to speak to a
Syrian audience. I couldn't even
possibly speak Ashkanaz. Like it only
comes out of my guts Syrian. To speak to
an Ashkanaz audience, it feels like I'm
faking if I speak. So if I say the puk
says in the gimar this to to a lakewood
crowd I'm like who am I fooling? So it
naturally goes to a lakewood crowd in
the yeshivish way and it naturally goes
to a to a Syrian crowd in the I would
say that that's a that's a talent to be
able to do that and you're saying it
almost comes second nature. So if I were
to say who were the speakers that helped
mold me I would first start with my
father. Uhhuh. My father was a wonderful
speaker. He's not so well now, but he
was a wonderful speaker and people in
the Syrian community used to love to
hear him. But I would say my father had
a lot more dignity in his speech than I
like get, you know, and I guess and and
I'm a sort of a combination of my father
and my mother that my father is very
very like respectful and aristocratic
and my mother is very dynamic and real.
So I think the combination of the two is
inside me. So they had a big impact. Um
Marab Yeshiva had a big impact not
necessarily in the speaking style but
like Rau was Maroshiva is Marsha so he
like he's very
practical wise was my manal is very
practical I grew up pretty close to
Rabbi diamond in deal and he's very like
he resonates his his things really like
hit you in a beautiful way and then the
tr when I got married and my I lived in
D or lake whatever my in-laws lived in
Brooklyn so sometimes times I would go
to Rabbi Eli Manso's speech. He was like
a few years older than me and I was
like, "Oh, because I had no real place
in Brooklyn because I was really grew up
in Jersey. So I would go in this speech
and maybe I went to seven or eight of
them as a kid, but there was bunch of
things that that he did. I said like,
"Wow, the way he did 45 minutes on one
topic, the way he really like sort of
lifted up the crowd and resonated with
the crowd was funny and serious at the
same time." Some of those things
bringing to content in a very
interesting way. All of that like
registered in my head in a really strong
way. Like I said, wow, like that's
interesting to be able to do that. And
and when I first started speaking,
people would be like, "Oh, he's an ex
Mexican again, right? My man is is older
than me. Oh, he's an expans." So like in
the certain community, I would get that
comment a lot. Uh but now I think we
have very unique styles, but I would say
those people all together contributed to
getting there. That's really great. So I
I I might have talked too much, but but
I appreciated the conversation. I love
your insights. This was a great
conversation. No, thank you very much.
Keep doing what you do. We we love your
dras. We love your shim. We love your
speeches. I hope that you'll be on Vim
again. No, we're hoping to be out there
many many more times. And and we're
excited again for this book, which is
bringing the video messages and the
written word that so many people are
going to appreciate it. And I I should
mention that besides for the fact that
it's based on what the speaker said on
Vimo and Rabbi Spiro in his own
tremendously creative way added in a lot
of his own. So this is a a new creation.
Um but it's just a continuation of the
heroic courageous people behind Vay who
choose to be anonymous incredibly that
this first of all they're unbelievable
if you would if you know how humble they
are. like I don't think they realize how
much of impact they're making on CLI.
And I think that this is another step in
that battle that we're that we as a
nation are waging against what you would
say is the marketing technology
um ination of images that are being
thrown in people's faces all the time.
And it's an ongoing battle and you could
sort of succeed on Tuesday and fail on
Wednesday, right? And you could be you
could feel very strong for a year and
then all of a sudden feel very weak
because of maybe other things that are
happening in a person's life. So the
ongoing battle the video and now combine
that with the book I think enables
people to give people strength and
whether it's a young bakar in yeshiva or
not in yeshiva who struggles whether
he's in yeshiva he's in the workforce
and he's struggling and he wants to
live or if it's an older married man
whether he's from not as but he's like
struggles with these things the message
today is you're a healthy person if you
have a struggle but your job now is okay
maz We validated you. You feel good
about yourself. You're healthy. Good.
Now turn away because that's how you're
going to stay healthy and that's how
you're going to become a strong person.
And that's our job. We serve Hashem. We
we different generations had different
tests. We don't live in ghettos. We
don't have the kind of epic poverty that
they might have had. We don't have the
oppression that they might have had a
hundred years ago. Our test today is
sort of the test of luxury. And that is
that everything around us looks
fantastic. And our job is to put the
blinders on and say, "I'm focusing on my
life. I'm focusing on my home. I'm
focusing on what I'm building. And I'm
not distracted by it all. And I'm not
jealous of it all. And I'm not
frustrated by it all. And I'm not down
by what looks like is out there. I know
my life. I'm proud of it. I'm excited
about it. I'm living it." So, Hashem's
test today, it used to be a test of of
negativity. And today our test is almost
a test of positivity where our test is
it seems like there's so much out there.
You feel like everyone's got something
that you don't lift yourself up. Be
proud of what you have. Be proud of who
you are. Be proud of the fact that we're
a part of Isa and have the courage and
the strength the next time you're
tempted to be able to be to turn away
and say, "I'm objecting and Hashem is
going to take care of giving me an
incredible life." As always, thank you
for that message of positivity and
strength and continue. Thank you very
much. Thank you.
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