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Hello everyone and welcome back to
inside art scroll where the books you
read and the people who write them come
to life. Today I am privileged to be
joined by Rabbi Fial Mashinski, a close
Talmud of the Klesenberger Rebbo, who's
here in honor of the release of the
brand new biography on the Kloenberger
Reba. Thank you, Rabbi Mashinsky, for
joining us. You're very welcome. It's a
big honor to sit with you. It's my honor
to be involved with an arts grow
production. Thank you. And I I know you
you were and I would say are a Talmud of
the Kazenber. And here's this brand new
book written beautifully by Rabb
Bernbam. And there were options on the
table of who to speak to. And when I
spoke to the people behind this book,
they said, "I have to speak to Rabbi
Mashinsky." So that's amazing. I
appreciate that you made the effort to
come from Muny where you live to Raw,
New Jersey toh talk about the book and
also to talk about the Reb with whom you
were very close. Uh, and it's
interesting you grew up in Muny and you
still live there, native my uh, person.
um h how did it evolve that a young boy
from my should have that connection to
the rebba? Talk a little about your
youth and your your uh formative stages.
Firstly, I must begin that um for me to
say that I'm as a close tal
of I could hardly call myself
as meaning uh the the lowest of the low
of
the hard to repeat the tal of the
klesba. Yes, I learned the yeshiva there
quite a few years. I learned in ky a
couple of years and the family of course
had a very close relationship with kgba.
The relationship to Klesburg interesting
started actually tough 1946 Klesenberg
came to America was shabas kesh
parl and he came to Williamsburg for
shabas
um met of course where my father's was a
very very close
dear sent nine bakim to see
the was pedagogue He understood who
belongs where and he selected these nine
bakim actually four went Friday night I
believe and five went for shalash so the
reverse and my father got connected to
the rebba at that moment and remained
the at zoolah until the day he was he
was nif what connection did it have well
he kabal
shabas from there he walked my father
walked over to the mashibble where
closing was
ding was up
to he was up
to and by the
words he spent almost an hour singing
and crying and and reaching out to
physically reaching out and my father
looks at here's a he that just lost his
wife his 11 children his mother his
siblings his whole kil got wiped out he
saw the Europe burning. He saw the
greatest and the
greatest dying in concentration camp and
he's saying the
words how is that possible that made him
and until the day he was nif he
was and he instilled in us
between and those who were his two
rebad my name is I'm named
after the this was his life this was his
His his mission and client passes on
from generation to generation. My father
was a Rebi for 56 years. Yes. From Miy
and literally every single day those two
were mentioned. Then at that
time was
till the day he was this went on. Wow.
And that's my connection. So when the
Reb came back to America in the year
tin he came because his wife the
Rabbitson was ill at that time. He came
here for 13 weeks. He came right after
sukus. He stayed here to kamisha. At
that time I was learning in Bishar and
Miy and of course he had a desire to
learn in closen. I had two older
brothers. Both of them actually went to
Kirat Sans to learn. My oldest brother
went at the age of 13 which is today's
unheard of. send the little child off to
yeshiva 13year-old child but I must add
that called up my mother and asked to
have my brother come to learn inel she
told her don't worry she'll be he'll be
like a child by me he will eat by me he
will sleep by me I will learn with him
privately which he did it's actually
brought in the book and he was supposed
to the agreement was for one year but he
stayed three and a half years he came
back at the age of 16 and a half for
actually he spent I think one fortnite,
one night he spent in my the rest of the
time was together with the Reb. But that
is basically our shreb. So when the
rabbi came at those 13 weeks and we of
course spent many shabbasim there and
many that there Thursday night of course
it gave me this desire to join my older
brothers and kaneka time I picked myself
up left besa and but I must add by the
beast and by the coaxing and coaching of
my rebrea gendel who pushed me very much
I should go encouraged me to go to learn
closen and I went to learn closen where
I'm at the age of 15 to know because you
you grew grew up in Monte going to
Yeshiva Spring Valley. Typical American.
Your father was a rebi. Your mother,
what did your mother do? My mother was
actually the principal of Basul school.
Oh, Bahul. Later on, she became a
writer. Yes. She was a talented writer
as well. She wrote some books people may
know. Yes. As we mentioned, the fire in
the sky was the first book she wrote.
She wrote the book of course Chance
Encounters, which is an arts girl
production. And she wrote Enra was his
wife. folder. It says on the anonymous
author, I'll let you in on the secret
that my mother was actually the writer
of it of which was produced by Hel. So
you grew up with with two illustrious
parents. Yes. But you went to Yoshiva
Spring Valley and then Shraa. Was it a
somewhat of a culture shock to go to to
Yes, it was. Number one, I did not speak
Yiddish as my children did not speak
Yiddish. Secondly, we dab the lit and
the thirdly I love to dam. So the first
year was boot camp. Uhhuh. I must say it
was boot camp. The change was dramatic.
And you know, should I say that I had
reservations? I must say I probably had
reservations sometimes in the middle of
the year. But at the same time, I was in
the glow. I was in the I was haloed by
the CLBA. So it was nothing like that.
Was nothing like that. It was amazing.
And did someone help you with that
transition or was it just by osmosis
that you by? Yes. Nobody helped. If
anything they anything it was like I
said it was boot camp but it took around
a year and I I fit in after a year I fit
in quite well. Did your father have a
aid background at all? So yes, my father
his father was shahid. He came here in
1911 right after he had got married
which is a long history was he came how
he came at that
time together with his share who was a
nemer fuks who was a illustrious cipher
they came from a trisa tna
chernobyl neighborhood near k of gagund
that's where he grew up and although he
was clean shaven for many many years but
then everybody was clean shaven but he
was a fire digger for brento mhm M and
later on when came to America of course
he became
a he was
very and then uh when the came that was
the that was a change from those but it
sounds like your father was yik from
whoever it could be yonik from whether
it was
down to the last day of his life when he
was very close to Maya silverberg which
could have been his grandchild right
right and he was lazinger as well so
going back so you're you go to
closenberg which which is in in the No,
in Union City was in Union City. Yeah. I
never The rebel was still in America.
Yes. The rebel was in America. Then from
Tin Bay, he was here for 13 weeks. Went
back to for a few months until left to
pes and then he came and he was in one
shot straight until tin until 1984 198.
So you learned in which years? I learned
it from 1972.
Tin until tin lit test. End of tit. And
you say you learned in the yeshiva under
the rebba. What was the reba give a
shir? How what was that relationship
like? Uh the
rebound goldman he was at that time uh
was in his at that time and the way in
order to be to get to
the black which is every single day you
had to 300
blackis coming from a lit to 300 was was
unheard of such a thing. So of course
there were 14 15 year olds that were
kids that were doing it and yet me it
took me until I was 18 to be able to do
this but at the age of 18 I was to join
the rebash daily in addition to that the
used to give a pilpush once a week just
to give an idea I was like to share the
story when the reb was near so near
katans there was such a thing called a
beta which is basically like a
rehabilitation center where a lot of
rashier shiva used to spend time
especially during the summer time they
used to come. They used to stay over
there. A lot of literally Israel
actually stayed used to be there.
Anyway, there was a certain
liter that came and every single day the
rabbi used to give a shir every single
day. Thursday, he used to give a pill.
Then Friday morning, early morning he
used to give their Friday night he would
say a pill by his tish. That week was
shabasim. So he would say a pilp and
shabas morning before before laning. And
then there was left in the evening of
course by besides there was terrorists
besides comes to shish and the is
talking
about with the tearful cries he would
say how is such an empty like that does
not exist in the whole world.
this list of Shiva is listening to this
he was first of all he was blown away by
the godless of and he hears this Sunday
morning he goes into the he said I have
to share with you a story his when he's
going around selling his say once he was
it's a common story people know it he
was picked up once by you eat in the
wagon asked him where do you want to go
see I'm going to this and this place he
was selling as far
and strikes up a conversation with him
he asks him um where do you come from he
said I come from oh you probably know
the said yeah what do you say about the
he's not what people make of him this
person was hast turned around and
slapped in the face and when he came to
the next town of course there they
recognized him and he throws himself in
the ground and apologized
to the said then zeta is it seems that
you're not allowed to talk about
yourself either repeats the story to the
reb Reba, you're not allowed to talk
about yourself. I'm not worried nobody's
going to slap me.
That was his cute humor that he had his
his humility and his humor together.
Yeah. So this was a typical
sedime when I turned 18. My brother at
that time my older brother who was an
adher he wrote chuas to the reba he
wrote pill pulin Friday night and he
suggested when he was like retiring was
getting married he would suggest become
the reb the writers the reb's writer
said I don't know how to write though no
I'm telling you become the reb's writer
you know how to do it you know how to do
it and I must say I thank him till today
um the first writing was uh I stayed pes
that year and you by Reba and Friday
night Shabas there was no writers to
write the Reb's pilpaid said a pilp
Friday night and I paid attention I
really listened to it very well and I
wrote the pilp shabas wrote the pill and
that was the first pill that I wrote and
then from then I remained the reb's
writer for like a year almost until I
got married which is like a year and
four months later and the rebu would
review so the reb yeah that's I used to
bring it in Sunday morning Sunday
morning I used to bring it into the reb
that's the kept the spyus that I was
there ready Sunday morning with a fully
written thing and used to review it and
write comments on it. I never was I
wasn't lucky I was nish. I didn't take
advantage. I should have taken the the
Reb's copies today. It wasn't worth a
lot of money. And so and this went on
like I say like a year and four months
that I was the Reb's writer.
Um years later I retyped all these
titles. I was already a younger man and
pur I brought it to the reb as a present
uh and I told the reb I I want I just
wanted to show it to the I wanted to
bind it no it's good it's good just
leave it here leave it a week later he
calls in the reb's right at that time
was he says I read through five
things there's some things that I said
over
here all having said done a lot of this
stuff is in print today in fact
that year just to give you a sab just to
picture what Klesbury was about.
Um by the coff the
rebus. So there was 40 small they would
say during
their ins is they dominate at night by
day some at night some by day. Mhm. And
just the schedule the schedule was
literally 24 hours. The the hak ended
for at night ended in the morning and it
was all day event and the ter the rebu
was constantly speaking constantly
speaking by between the hakafas there
were certain that he would say and we
say terus on it was 108 terus that the
said now how do I remember 108
terrorists. So first we had paper clips
and anything that sometimes in the
same then I I scheduled there was some
other I want you to help me remember
from you help remember I delegated and
then I wrote I wrote these and these
teras have been printed already which is
otherwise they never been lost these
terrors would have been
lost was also was unusual year was tshin
lmed vv tshin lad Hey from um Shu's time
maybe even earlier the Reb expected
Msiah to come imminently why because the
commander and the bring six times in the
mashia is coming
there will live the Msiah Mashia Mashia
in fact oldest brother the one that
lived I mentioned before he learned
together
with he learned together with the
learned here together every day the Reb
would do a countdown literally he was
counting SP until Mashia
comes Mashia is coming and every night
we talk about what's going to be when
Msiah comes and he says Mashia comes and
all my I'll be so embarrassed what am I
going to do but I have
the want to
use once I'm there it'll push me through
already said this no
this kind of he told this to my son to
my brother when they were learning
together.
Yeah. That that's how he felt. And this
went on until fromash on. We didn't hear
a word about Msiah. Not a word about
Mashia. In fact, he was very concerned
people wanted to move to Israel. At that
time wanted to go to learn. He was
afraid. He said Mashia's Titan who knows
Muhammad. He was very very fr frightened
about this and comes Rajashani stopped
talking about it
completely first was all about Msiah
again all about Mashiach and it brings
of course the commandments it was it was
just it was like we felt it I must add
this
concept had this ability depicting
situations that you felt mish alive I'll
just give you I'll share with you one
story we'll go back many many Yes, my
father as mentioned Linton Todd. Okay,
this was already probably either right
before he got married or right after he
got married. He had gone back to live
his parents lived in Williamsburg.
Anyway, there was a group of boys that
came from South America to learn
intervas and my father was macar lot of
these boys. There was one boy that his
father was Jewish. His mother was not
Jewish and he came also to
learn and there was a big issue at that
time. What should they do? Should they
accept him? Should they not accept
issue of exactly how they should handle
the situation?
And meanwhile he was there at
the Anyway, my father went Friday night
with
Shabasesh to grab his tish. We took
along this bak this bak didn't know a
word of yiddish and my father sto stood
in the back of the bismet the back of
the tish and my father was repeating to
this child how the was depicting what
it's going to be like when Msiah comes
and was with with such clarity with such
vivid imagination how Mashia is going to
this boy was like so taken he said
Mashiah is going to come and I'm going
to be a half Jew I want to be
Mia and it seems that's went and he
should come up himself.
So my father went together with a boy
Sunday
morning together with a friend. This boy
bur along a friend. So my father and
there was um the mikvi in the mikvah and
one other person
the meal I think he had was
just not sure about that but then um the
rebba said in addition I know
you learning yeshiva already uh I would
like you to undertake one thing that you
don't have to undertake but just because
you want to
be had very long hair. I guess there was
a style didn't long so I like to cut off
your hair. This is like cutting off his
hair. I was cutting my hair cut off
here. This other boy that was with him
was also from South America and also had
long hair. Boy often splashes you know
I'll cut off my hair and then it won't
look so
fam cut off his hair. That's before
that's human and after this he went into
mikah say just to give an idea of how
the rebas's godless and besides
everything else he godless of his way of
speech of way of delivery today there
are hundreds hundreds lit hundreds and
hundreds of tapes of you hear the
clarity of whether it's learning or
whether it's stories that he really
repeat or life experiences or mashim
that he would give with such clarity it
was amazing So yes so uh that was
my not only that I used to write his as
well
his was difficult the reba at that time
was already older and he couldn't take
cold so the room where he sat in was
like 90° it was like the bak just to
stay awake was difficult how many bakham
were in the shar at the time uh 20 25
maybe probably peak was maybe 30
bakram and
was s at the sh and the began also he
used to suffer terrible headaches. He
used to sit he used to have this band.
They used to they took a band like a
cloth band and they'd freeze it. They
pulled that on his head. He suffered
terrible migraines. He suffered
migraines since World War II. He said
that that's what caused these terrible
migraines. He was the takeed like like
non-stop the most strongest uh
painkillers because of this because of
the anyway and that's you sit you talk
very quietly. It was a hard time to to
hear him as well. But I remember
learning I have to share with you the
story talking about
learn
button one. The first that I went to the
Reb and the Reba starts discussing what
what does it mean button blast? Doesn't
mean a hook. It doesn't mean a button.
goes to whoever use such a
lot this
exact and um whether it is a button whe
it's a hook it's a button an hour and a
half you spent on that
rash I was exploding this is I was used
to the
reb guy through
together it was like an ex a brain
exercise and here you're listening to
the reb for an hour and a half is
depicting this rashi taking it apart
don't know what means. Anyway, when the
Shia was over, I ran downstairs. I went
to such a thing which is called the
public telephone. I don't know if
anybody knows what that means today. And
I call up my father and it says Alanar
Jaz Pali. I had to find myself 300 black
mares to hear a shield what the button
is. And my father says tell me more.
Tell me more. Tell me more. So I explain
to them says that was a bianca kamki.
was to understand every single
many many years later I was sitting
together with the Reb's
son-in-law in the car I was repeating to
him those good old days and I repeated
to him the story the rebbitson was
sitting his rebbitson was sitting in the
back the reb's daughter sitting in the
back is I'll say this
mataz lus is my father 95% This is T and
that's the way his blat was push like I
mentioned was Friday night was it was a
li in fact that style of
pilp style of learning there was many
many of
the that his had that say the father the
rebb had was and that is that where the
reba got his mahala and the reba had his
mahala from that I'll share another
story with I wanted that to be one of
the first stories in the book
um I had fed myself 300 black meruses
and a year later the rebel was getting
on my case okay that's
it by the way there was such titles in
the yeshiva there was a title if you fel
300 blat you got a titana
and they gave you such a like a diploma
600 blot was a thousand blat was a
marino you know to kids 16 17 year olds
they would f themselves the
wicesis and it wasn't stump of hair was
a very tough
hair I don't even kas were very very
tough type of hairs really tough type of
hairs in any case
um so uh he's not my hair I should say
okay I let give my excuse I let the
shivas I started late I'm a late bloomer
what do you want from me so let me tell
Let me share with you a story. It says
when he was a child, he was 78 years
old. I told you seven eight years old
and the bin the eel came to visit his
father and he was a very famous bald
darian
uh the misel's family all that so
they're all related and he came to dash
in he came to he was a big mafal very
much into and was morning to say a pill
Sunday morning they're eating the reb's
father
were eating breakfast together and the
Reb walks in and the the asks the
rebal what do you say to his beloved
says I could do the same thing is it say
he got up on a cheer and he was learning
the just painting pictures he was 7
years old he was
learn and the finger's eye said a whole
ple
for me. They were laughing for me. But
from that day on, I've been saying until
today we could once we could. Uhhuh.
Yes. So that was uh that just to share
that story. So yes, and that was my
connection to McBa those years. Of
course, the yes is yes. Yes.
Um uh and uh the huskash that I had was
taken discussions of that last year and
four months when I had open doors to the
reb today a lot of rebas closed in order
to get into you have to have the
greatest
protection if you come with something to
talk learning he had was open he
couldn't wait he
was I'm not a I'm not a real estate
agent. I'm not a business financer. You
come with a divide papers and that was
open doors for anyone and they used to
bring in this and review it and discuss
it and and my brothers of course he had
even a closer sh he's very had a very
close shas with people with good
hands himself of course brilliant
brilliant. So
he and a lot of the the chuyat that were
written was my brother's works. Mhm.
It's amazing. We're sitting here for for
a little while and you're talking about
the reb is godless
and many people outside of this
conversation are not even aware of that
component of the reb godless. Yes. They
hear rabbit. tell you, oh, he endured
the gem of the Holocaust and he lost his
rabbit and his gun and then he came and
they'll tell you he built Liato
Hospital. They'll skip over they'll skip
over the whole mahus of who the claim
was. It's amazing. It's amazing. Heard a
good gadunk about that. T there were
years that the Reb's ter was not so
visible the years postwar years where
they was busy building up. In fact, a
lot of times he said, "First I'm trying
to make the Holocaust survivors human
beings." He says, "Look what he says
about that he taught them how the the
how to eat the three times a day that
basically he taught them human behavior.
These that went through a concentration
camp, they were not subhuman people.
They when they see food was they would
attack food like was it was un uh
uncontrollable." First I want them to be
human beings. Then I wanted them to make
them yed. Then I want to make
them say then I want to make them but he
was the first and foremost to jump into
this idea number one
of America was unheard of such a thing.
And yeshiva of course you read the book
you'll find out about uh
postconentration camps nor the DP camps.
We had over 40 moist from day one. I I
mentioned this as well. Well, I wanted
uh reb to write this in the book. We
talked about the Reb's years in
concentration
camps. Now, the the Reb's year in
concentration camp, of course, we
understand the Reb was going through
gehenna beyond our imagination. But yet
at the same time, at the same moment, he
was so connected to Hashem. He was so
connected to Yiddish with no compromise
whatsoever. I'll just give a dugma. One
of the
chasat of the Shil was about second day
whether one is permitted to mar before
this or you have to wait until after
this
the Reb
writes it's very important for me to
answer this question why is when I came
to the I came to was second night and I
had that shah whether I have to wait for
this picture the scene here's a Eid that
was in cattle cough three
When they started out, there was 2,000
people alive. When they came, there was
200 people alive. They they they um they
when they came off the the cattle cars,
they were chased with Dobermans and with
the Rottweilers with German shepherds
and the the concern that he had at that
time were the to be with these
letter that
was how is it physically possible for a
person to be that way? Number one
throughout the concentration camp was
about what he's going to do
about pes and then not never putting a
morsel of food in his mouth. There was a
sh of cautious
whatsoever. I mean the things that are
beyond our imagination that human being
could do.
He was the liberation was of
Bahima. The American soldiers came in
and they were giving out
chocolates for the survivors which by
the way killed a lot of the survivors.
The bodies were not and of course
everybody pounced on it and they were
said no no no you're not allowed to eat
this. What are you not allowed to do
this? Until now you were slaves. You
were put but now you're freed. You're
not allowed to eat this. Mhm. What are
you talking about? You're not allowed to
eat this. So yeah, you're not allowed to
eat this. Like to
him was
uncompromising. So how is this? When I
discussed this, it was
Paris. We talked about
Yadik was
in actually
was underground in a in a pit for 12
years. The med says in the puzz
um that his feet were tied with chains
and he had a neck around his a chain
around his neck
and 12 years it was like that all of a
sudden one nice day the mashkim comes in
they had a bad dream and next morning
yes walks in and says
hey what what's what's this all you look
depressed depressed 12 years you're not
depressed and two and a half years later
of
was two years later they shle yes they
put him in front of par and par is
giving a device was given a device to
par how how is that humanly possible p
right before the says of
hashem when hashem is with you it makes
no difference whether you're in a
concentration camp whether you're in
Williamsburg whether you're in union
city whether inlay whether you're in
kans whether whatever you serve hashem
the same
Wow. So the talk about a message that
should be given over to the generations.
This is the message serving Hashem
uncompromising. There was compromise. In
your interactions with the Reb over the
years, did he ever did he ever talk
about the unfathomable Tus that he
endured? Did he talk about his rebbit?
In the early years, he didn't. the
earlier years when uni said I didn't
hear it later
on he started talking about it much more
in in what context he would talk about
there was certain stories in fact
there's this famous story which I think
is brought in the book as well where he
talks about this first shabas when he
needed
wanted he says took everything away from
me my wife my children want to take away
my yiddish kite also famous story and
came and handed
him added Marmalad Marmalad like a jelly
to get a ladder with him and he
vanished. He never saw him since then
and he said he says when he had such
true unbreakable faith in
aes he was able to live that way. It's
it's amazing to to think that the the
the scars and the the nightmares that he
lived through were were he he was like
almost an imp penetrable wall that he
just didn't allow us to he did suffer. I
must say he did suffer he did firstly he
suffered physically his headaches I
didn't talk about famous story he was
the first time he was shalain and Eid
came he said he had a 5-year-old
daughter that suffered terrible with
migraine headaches so there was I'm
suffering anyway you know what I'll take
her and this child walked out and she
was good for this never had his
headaches and he suffered his headaches
was really really suffered have terrible
headaches and he was at the same time
that he was such a a sickly weak person
because of this at the same time when it
came to Yiddish it came to dancing a
cuff was uh not sleeping uh writing the
writing the the chu was all night events
I'll share with you another story about
writing chu first of all this whole of
you read the godless not only is godless
godless how he his uh approach to
writing the chuva with
such such seriousness with such it's a
famous chuva that the Reb wrote to Revel
Shil was about Shil about a a yum sh I'm
not going to go into detail the shil the
sh reash did not want to pass the sh on
his own he wanted the just just you know
you're talking about people did not know
about the reb's god reash knew about the
reb's godless he wanted the reba to pass
in the sha as well interesting did not
pass in the same way as the reba but
whatever it was the woman never
remarried anyway but that was another
issue
um They the rebum brought the shila to
the rebba. They came for to the rebu and
they brought the
shb now you bring
now I don't have time for this now
you'll stay after after sukus and we'll
write the chuva then that was an
agreement after sukas they're going to
write the yim at night
after
the so it's 11 12:00 now I have time
they spent the whole night do dark in
the ch
Talk about
listen.
Yes. The
world is on there on the eye level,
right? In this firm sex, you know, from
right to left. I I think the the the the
importance of speaking to someone like
you is the same relevance of of this
brand new book and that is to to so to
speak keep the memory of the rebel
alive. Of course it's alive in his and
his and and and the the fruits of his
labor which we see today in kyat sounds
and so on and so forth flourishing in
America and it's it's
phenomenal the would say about the clay
but there were a lot
of but nobody built hospitals you know
besides that built hospitals besides
that
besides beside all the other things
besides built the whole which is show
which is ashamed of the greatest came
out. There were years
uh from uh 1962 to 1967 1968 that he
produced literally Israel. I mean the
rear rashi of of
munchy Weiss the rear rashi at one time
is not alive anymore of
anterisenstein of one after of course
all the wise children we all familiar
with them and
barrel his mahalak then was now I'm not
a rebel now I'm producing Israel and
producing was that point he felt that
during the war he had 1.5 million
children which could have been a
potential thousands and thousands of
Israel they were all wiped out who's
going to replace them that was his whole
concept
of producing the Israel and he his was
in order for a person to be a he has to
be
that was his mahal every sing he wanted
his to be became bash that's howas began
and that's how began to precreate Israel
and that was his that was his his his
his approach to Israel he had such a
broad vision vision about what we're
doing for GL I just launched late this
year the first time he met Falovich fail
was having this his original ideas of
ter at that time and they were sharing
this idea he was sharing these ideas
that every single community in America
where there's a many new Jews there has
to be a sh and there has to be a yeshiva
and the asked them how you planning to
do this we get re I'm going to make a
revolution and was so in despair so I
couldn't get over there's a Hungarian
Jew that hardly knew a word of
English and he's he's making a
revolution and he got that concept
making a revolution from from I my my
name is that's my interpretation but he
he revolutionized the concept of making
Israel that was his dream that was his
his aspiration that was what he looked
forward to that's what he wanted to
create and he put in into that first in
a small vein in
this then of course there's a spread
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toem now you have all the other
organizations like dishu and many many
others that are basically you know what
is expression when you copying is the
best best form of flattery best form of
flattery yes in fact perhaps that says
till today says till today that there
was his inspiration was from clay m he
himself was was Uh-huh. So, there we go.
It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable to
hear your your your recollections and I
I see the rebel come alive in your eyes
and uh it's a pity we don't have time to
talk about uh your days growing up in my
basement to tell you I'm here.
I don't think that's nega to the Reb's
to the Reba story but the the Reb itself
uh I there's so much the those seven
years that I lived in Union City in I
was of course even after I moved back to
Muny I was I was in Kyle Klesenber ky
for a while but I still had a very close
shikas to the rebies to go to there all
the time we had a very very close in
fact I must say uh the reb was twice in
his life when I say fullhatus it was
Eden Barag's name was Krani he was his
shhatan It was my shan. Oh, the reb was
your sh. And I must add this is the time
that was the reb the reb was like a real
shakan. He'd call up the my Sunday soon
to be called him up Sunday morning. I
must tell you this the bak just brought
in the shuttle and I must tell you I was
so impressed. I'm so impressed. And
after every single bash show he'd call
out to find call him up my father to
find my to find out how it went. Very
personally involved with my condition.
Wow. and I live in unity. It was one of
the things he insisted that we live in
unisity and my wife was definitely not
at that time um city ready for that but
the insisted of course she was done and
she did it and he is was a wonderful
times of our lives those two and a half
years that we lived in Union city then I
moved to my rest the rest is history
you're involved in your
own you're carrying on on the Reb's
legacy which was always Say I must add
that I always have this uh when I give
my I always think what is the rebba
begins in think about my learn of course
he must say he of course the timbe is
the
famous the reb was uh was uh the guest
speaker at that event and he's talked
about that koi truth remains forever and
even though there was at one time there
may have been a snag still to to but we
see how the truth comes forth and tak
from then on in they see the growth
of to the way it is today. It's just an
amazing amazing event and I have no
regrets. I must say no regrets the we
give that we've accomplished in the
times that we finish with
listen I'll say I think the
tremendous being
multiple and you
know but we want to thank you for coming
out here. I know it's a busy you have a
busy schedule by Hashem, but you came
out here to Raw to
share and whatever people tasted in this
interview, I think they'll get more of
by picking up the book and getting that
that rich flavor of who the Reb was and
the he had and he's still having an the
inspiration that we could take
even we could take each on our own level
inspiration from what the Reb was able.
I look at this that
there's
there's brings down from Ginsa said
about
himself and the sh that he should be the
godly he should be appointed as
appointed as Israel now for us to be a
godly I don't think that was the message
of the book we're not going to become
Israel we're not there's no way that we
could even uh I think it was that
says become spits the the the the tip of
the tip of nervas. We should realize
what Israel are should respect Israel.
We should realize what we had what we
had and we still have today but Hashem
there are that are going these ways and
we should respect them and we should
take advantage. My greatest regrets I
did not take enough advantage of the
seat. I had the abilities. We had the
doors open. The Reb wanted us to come.
We didn't take enough advantage of it.
That was they talk about my regrets.
That would be the regrets. But at the
same time, look at the picture of the
Reb just the with his finger at the
gamura and you see
the the halo of kadusha on his
face. It it's it's just it's amazing.
It's amazing amazing feeling. It's
amazing feeling. David, you should be
and art school should be with this book
should be a very big success and the
people that read it get the the message
and learn the message. What does it
truly mean to be a godly Israel? Amen.
Rabbi Mashinsky, thank you for being
here. You're very welcome.
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