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Inside ArtScroll - Season 4 Episode 9: Rabbi Shimon Finkelman
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Rabbi Aaron Brafman was the much-beloved and revered menahel of Yeshiva of Far Rockaway. He was also a respected author and a dedicated askan. But more: He was a man who loved every Jew, who saw potential where others saw failure. In the words of a talmid, he was a man “who lived and breathed Klal Yisrael; whose days were filled with Torah and maasim tovim … and most of all, who epitomized the term ‘rebbi.’” In this interview, the author of Rabbi Brafman’s biography, Rabbi Shimon Finkelman, gives us a glimpse into the life of this extraordinary man.
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Hello everyone and welcome back to
Inside Art Scroll where the books you
read and the people who write them come
to life. Today I am privileged to be
joined by Rabbi Shiman Finkelman the
author of a brand new biography on Rabbi
Aaron Brahman. Thank you, Rabbi
Finkelman, for joining us here at Art
Scroll. Thank you for having me. The
truth is that your presence here is
really long overdue because over the
years you've written various books and I
would have loved to speak to you. Um so
I'm happy to finally have you here.
Pleasure to see you. Thank you.
Um, we are here to talk about the new
biography about Rabbar Braman, an
extraordinary individual. And anyone who
reads this book is going to walk away
totally inspired. Uh, before we get into
the book, I just want to take a moment
to to just go back uh down memory lane
for a moment. You've
written number of books over the years,
biographies
uh of note like on Manis Mandel is one
of the well-known ones uh and and some
others. What was your first book that
you ever wrote? It was the story of
Rebel Khan Basin which uh that book is
not available anymore. Okay. Actually
part I did a book called five great
leaders. Right. One of the five is Rabul
Khan. And you used material from Well, I
really based both books on the the adult
biography.
But uh and that was written in the '
80s. In the 80s. Yes. In the 80s. So
well well over 30 years ago. Probably
almost 40 years by now. Hashem. And
since then you've uh you've been to to
publish various books. Where did someone
like you get the skill of writing? I'm
just curious.
uh just practice practice and uh
reading. I was an avid Jewish observer
reader. Okay. I used to read a cover to
cover and it was really very even even
as a youngster. As a teenager? A
teenager. Teenager. Yeah. In yeshiva in
the dormatory I was in charge of getting
the Jewish observers delivered every
month. Uhhuh. Yeah. And uh once I
started I originally started with art
school doing youth series books. But I
have to say that uh once I
began veering off to to adult
biographies. Ra Mosha was the first one.
Rab Nassen
Sherman who
uh actually wrote my mitzvah. Mhm. He
was tremendously helpful not just uh
directly in guiding me but when he would
when he edited the Ra Mosha book I kept
the galleys and to to read through his
corrections and I learned a lot. Wow.
Listen, no one better to learn from than
Ribnas. That's right. That's for sure.
We all learned so
much from having Rabbi Sherman here and
and consulting with him. Absolutely. And
like you said, his corrections is so
much to learn from. Yes. I'm speaking
for myself as well.
Um, well, you mentioned uh where did you
learn as a youngster? You're talking
about yeshiva. Learned most of my years
in teras.
Oh, wow. And then Lakewood. Mhm. And
then you eventually went into the field
of Yes. which you're still a rebi today.
Many years later teaching atra. Yes. And
somehow you have time to write books as
well. It's a It's a balancing act, I'm
sure. Try my best. You try your best.
Now,
biography, writing a book is one thing.
Writing a biography is a whole different
animal, like they'll say. It's a whole
different undertaking because you're
you're trying to depict for people what
a certain person was about. You wrote
the Ramosa biography, which is a a
classic. Um, and now you embarked on
writing a biography about Ramaran
Brahman. Before we get to Rabbi Brahman
specifically, how does a person go about
doing that?
Well, first thing is it's easier if you
knew the person to at least some degree.
I didn't know Rab Misha, but we all knew
Rab Misha. He was the god Ladar. Uh with
Rabbi Brahman, I actually had some
connection as as I write in the preface
to the book. I was a kid in ninth grade
in Tarvadas when he was a rebi already
in
Tarvadas. And uh my first encounter with
him was walking in the hall one day. My
first days in the yeshiva. I see this
young
slight man walking surrounded by bakim.
Some of them towering over him and
hanging on to every word he was saying.
I just was like so taken by the sight. I
said to a friend of mine though, who's
that man? He said his name is Rabbi
Brahman. They gave him the hardest
class. That was the first time I ever
saw
Barraa. And then when I became a rebi
years later in Daran Farakawway I uh
taught his
son Rambarak Rabbarak in sixth grade and
I got to know Rafin as a parent in the
class and I met him at a
sim and I saw he's was a you know as
soon as you met him you saw this is a
very special person and you saw right
away this is a person that thinks about
Claudius all the time. Claus is on his
mind all the time. Even though he wasn't
the god of be Israel, he wasn't someone
that people coming to ask about cla
making decisions about Israel. But
his was so unusual that in conversation
he was just talking about the situation
Israel with me at he was speaking about
this this the overindulgence in Kashmir
in America. What can we do about it
because it's not good for the for the
younger generation. And um I'm saying so
the first thing is if you know the
person to some degree that's already a
help that's a big help. That's a help
that help. But then you have to you have
to do a lot of interviews. You get to
meet people that knew the person well
and you see what they what they had to
say about him. Not just the stories but
how they felt about him. case of Rabbi
Brahman, I have to say that I heard from
so many talim or saw it in in in writing
that when Rabbi Brahman passed away, I
cried and cried and uh you don't always
hear that it showed that there was
something very special about this man as
a rebi as a as a guide as a mashia that
the tamid felt so attached to him and um
I'm saying you have to get a when doing
a biography everything you say to First
thing is but after that you have to get
a feel for the subject and the only way
to do that is by speaking speaking to
people who know him and you do most of
those conversations are in person or or
by telephone or mostly by telephone by
and you take notes as you speak to the
person I I take notes and very often I
have a I put speaker up and I record
this way so you could reference it
later. Right. That's right. Right. And
then you do you start writing at at the
beginning or do you first kind of
collect all of it and then begin writing
a book or is does it depend on the
subject? I always start writing right
away. I don't let everything pile up.
But um I've done sometimes I've tried to
categorize things right away. In the
case of Rabbi Braman uh I did I think
over a 100 interviews. Wow. So, uh, I
just I found it easier to just, you
know, t write up the interview and when
I thought I had enough material start
figuring out where to go. That's right.
Yeah. This book is very unique in in in
the the warmth and you were talking
about his NASA oil which it's really
remarkable the stories that you have in
the book and I didn't read all of them
but I read some of them. um whether it
was traveling with the Talmud if after
if after Tira of of his parent and and
or or the Talmud walking in and finding
him in tears and finding out because a
soldier had been killed in Aritis and
and that was who Rabbi Brahman was. He
was he was malleish. He was a person who
was he kind of wore his emotion on his
sleeve very much and I was to to meet
him quite a few times. If I may
interrupt for a moment, it's important
to point out and it's it's mentioned in
the book talking the way we're talking
about him. You'd think he w he would
walk around worried all day. He was a
happy person. He was a positive upbeat
person and he was able to balance that
with his nas. I think that was that was
the godless. Yes. That he was a very
happy person, but he but he was able to
internalize what other people were going
through. Right. Um, sometimes people who
are very exalted, it's hard to try to
emulate characteristics because they're
just beyond our comprehension. So much
of I think Rabbi Brahma personified and
you could tell me if you agree and what
I'm taking from this book is are are
things that really all of us simple
people could really learn from about
caring about other people about noticing
things that maybe other people don't
notice the you know that type of thing
especially as a manal he was in a
position to really take these uh
Tamidam's concerns and feelings to
heart. Yes. and um his the fact that as
you say he noted things others people
didn't know it wasn't only with Tom he
it was with everybody's that one of the
stories I really took I was really taken
by was he on the he he had a car was
really he took a train one day he took
the LR to Manhattan he had a speaking
engagement and in the train he hears a
young lady on the phone crying
because of her personal situation. Now,
another person would have just he didn't
know the lady, but when she hung up the
phone, he went over to her, gave him her
a paper with her his phone number and
said, "I might be able to help you. If
you want to call, here's my number." And
she called and he helped her. He helped
her. Later, one of Braman's
grandchildren met the girl's mother and
the one that I believe started crying
and said, "Your grandfather saved my
daughter. Saved her." So, so as you so
he noted everything. He also had a
tremendous pas tremendous insight into
human nature and it helped him so much
in being able to mold each Talmud in his
specific way. The very first story in
the book if I can give it away. Sure. Is
uh there's there's enough to read in the
book. Okay. There was uh there was a bak
who was having a tough time was a 10th
grader. He was not doing well. would
find him here and there and send him
back to class. And one day the boy
decided, you know, I'm going to not go
to class today. I'm going to play in the
gym, but the gym is locked. So the night
before when the gym was officially open,
he put something by the door so it
didn't shut all the way. The next
morning he came into the gym during
learning time. He didn't turn on the
lights. No one should see him. And began
to play basketball. The door opens up
and
there he said he said he's told over the
story. He said, "I'm going to get it
now." and I deserve it. And Rab Braman
looked at him and said, you know, at
that by that time it was really recess
time. By the time he called him was
really recess time, he said, you know
something, it's a shame he's in the gym.
It's a nice day outside. The boys are
having a snowball fight. Why don't you
go join them? Maf understood that this
boy was in a not a good place and he
didn't need the mush right now. He knew
what he did was wrong and it turned the
boy around and the boy was Mat in the
end. Wow.
So what any other stories that come to
mind?
There are some remarkable stories. So
many remarkable
stories. I'll mention as as you try to
think what what what struck me and I
I'll share something with our viewers
when we were having internal discussions
here at Art School about the book. So
you know it is there's there always
conversations what to call the book,
what to subtitle the book. You've been
down this road so many times and then
we're fortunate to have Rebelli Corron
who
designs gorgeous covers and so on and so
forth. One of the options for the
subtitle of the book had the word man in
it. A caring manal, a loving manal. I
don't remember exactly what it was. And
someone noted that the word manal
doesn't always have a positive
connotation because a manal is someone
who is you know enforcing the law so to
speak. It's so interesting that Rabbi
Brahman there was a dichotomy there
because he was a manal yeshiva of Faraki
one of the outstanding meister satyra in
the farway five towns area and much of
that thanks to Rabbi Brahman. So he had
to enforce the law so to speak but at
the same time he had the most caring
sensitive personality. You don't always
find that going hand in hand. And he
could be tough when he needed to. He
could be tough but the boys and this was
told to me by so
many who started off not doing well. You
know other Shivas maybe wouldn't have
taken them but they said that they knew
they knew he loved them. So even when he
was disciplining them, they knew it came
from a place of love. One story that it
just came to mind was where uh a boy did
something really awful. I don't know
what he did, but he was actually
expelled, which was very rare. And by
the way, Rafen never expelled a Talmud.
Rarely did he expel a Talmud, but if he
ever did, he ne he always found the boy
in the yeshiva. Never put him in the
street. Never ever would do that. Right?
This time they felt the boy has to be
expelled. So they called the meeting of
the han hala and the parents parents
came down explained the situation the
parents said there's nothing for us to
say you explained what he did and we
have to say you're right there's nothing
for us to
do says okay and um I need everybody to
leave the office for I need to be alone
for a couple minutes I'll resume the
meeting right away what is going on they
left the office about five minutes later
I called him back and he said there's
been a change we decided we're take the
boy's staying he's staying in the
yeshiva later of course the the parents
left what happened she said his parents
are not advocating for him a boy needs
an advocate if if his parents will not
be the advocate we have to be the
advocate we're not sending him away and
took him under his wings and the boy
turned out fine he was mle with him wow
unbelievable yeah he was really a tre he
really an an unbelievable mechanic Yeah.
And and uh and in a certain way you
could say that he was he
was what do you say a man before his
times in terms of he was ahead of his
time in terms of his his intuition. Yes.
You know, a lot of a lot of the things
that we hear
today, which is credit to the evolving
system and the outstanding Rabim and
teachers who staff our schools today who
really really superhuman efforts to
understand children and and to apply the
the the boundless love and care for the
children. The so much of that that's
invoked today Rabbi Brahman had five
decades ago, right? the 1970s. 1970s
when he started that was really pre the
contemporary scene and and uh you know
talk about that for a second because you
are you yourself you're a Makan and here
you're writing about him and you're
hearing these stories about him many of
which took place early in his career uh
as he was evolving as a man on his own
and he seemed to just really understand
that the way to a child's heart is with
that genuine care and concern. Yes. And
also the insight he had to know exactly
what he was
tell who's in a great was I think I
think taught in the yeshiva for about 40
years is also a cousin to rabman he said
that raman did not come across as
brilliant but he was he was he was a
brilliant and he was brilliant in his
insight into people. He said he was
always like a step ahead of everybody
else in figuring out the Bah. He he just
knew he understood I guess also with
great he understood what each particular
baka needed and
um you'll soon be hearing from Rabbi Dov
Kilson one of his
closest who uh also he dove was not a
troublemaker but uh he
today that's not the
uh he should talk about it more than I
should that's not where he saw himself
when he came to Shiva Parakaw. It was
only through Raen's love and guidance
that he became what he is today. Now,
from your research and and from the
hundred some odd interviews that you
did, who would you say was the one or
two individuals who
really framed Rabbi Brahman and and and
and kind of helped mold him into who he
became. Uh, one was definitely his
grandfather, his father's father, Raak
Brahman, who didn't have I don't believe
he had any any official position as a
RV, but he was a great kam and Rabbi
Braman's father went off to to the was
drafted into the United States Army, I
think before he was even born. And he
didn't see his father for the first I
think two three years of his life. They
lived by the grandparents. He became
very close to his grandfather and his
grandfather had a tremendous influence
on him very big influence on him and
invadas his main invadas was
wereal of kamki
and those were his three main he and he
uh you know the book talks about his
relationship with all three of them he
was very close with them and he learned
a lot
it's Rabak used to go to Florida the
last uh 10 years of his life wintertime
and once Rabban found out that that day
he was going to be at JFK on his way to
to Florida. JFK is a 15-minute drive
from the yeshiva. So he went with all
the Rabim to greet Rabakov. Rabakov was
in a wheelchair in the airport. He was
in a wheelchair. When he saw a brain he
stood up for him. Wow. Yeah. They were
very close.
effect one of the cover collage pictures
is at
the Yes. by the wedding. Yes. So they
those four people his grandfather
and Yakov and Rafam was that that's
quite a quite a lineup to learn from.
Yes, that's right. And he was able to
Yeah. really really gain so much. Right.
If I can add another great mea that
Rabraman excelled in was EMS. Everything
had to be em. How he dealt with a person
had to be em and his dealings were em.
How the yeshiva ran had to be em. How
his day camp ran had to be em. And rapam
and were both known that they were
outstanding in midas. in in Raom's own
word to his children by us a word is a
contract and Rab Rafen had that from his
I was amazed whenever I visited my uncle
uh the honorable Jerry
Feller lived in Farway a few doors down
from Rabbi Brahman a mater court so I
was a few times to to be there in farway
to be the vashabas to be in the
uh as an outsider so to speak I was
always so taken by the mutual respect
between the Rashiva Rabbi Per and Rabbi
Brahman they were they were one unit and
Tamid didn't talk about it they could
talk about it much more personally but
I'm just speaking as an outsider and I'm
sure you you came across this when you
were writing the book that unique
relationship between Rashashiva and
Mania yes it's was really unusual it's
mentioned in the book more than once
because so many people spoke about
I one of the first people I interviewed
was Rabbi Perishley to the rashiva and
uh his love for was very apparent in the
interview. He thanked me at the end of
he said thank you for bringing him back
to some degree by speaking about him.
That's what he said to me. But he press
said bya and he told to me directly I
believe he said that they they worked
together for almost 50 years. He said we
disagreed. We never had an argument.
Mhm. So we disagreed but and the the
respect was incredible was also they had
tremendous respect and love for each
other.
Rabbin was such an
unovit of Pere with the bakim and take
notes of the schmuz he viewed himself as
a tom of the rabbi pair which is also
shows some more of his godlessness. You
mentioned earlier his his concern for
Clai Israel and you also mentioned your
reading of the Jewish observer which is
interesting because the Jewish observer
was one of the mediums
uh that Rabbi Brahman used to express
that a he was a superb writer and a very
talented speaker as well. He would speak
by different places but I was just
recalling that that he I remember
reading his articles even as a
youngster. Rabbi Brafen would from time
to time, you know, write on different
topics of the day, you know, expressing
really taking here's a busy manal. I'm
sure he had enough on his plate to keep
himself occupied, but like you said, he
was he was a a claw man very very much
so. Yes, we have a whole chapter of the
book is devoid of his Jewish observer
articles. They're brilliant articles.
Dashkafa is classic and you could you
could they were long articles. You could
we just excerpted that you could see how
much effort and time went into those
articles but also the fact that he cared
so much. Oh first first of all in the
articles you see he was royal he was
able to see ahead like with a ber he
could see what the ber could become. He
would see where things were heading with
euthanasia mercy killing. He wrote a ban
in the 1970s. We have to be careful
because who knows how it could affect.
And he and he said afterwards that
people were upset with him. They said,
"What are you sounding the alarm bells
for? This is not this doesn't relate to
us. We're not going to do these things."
And unfortunately now we see how
prevalent how prevalent how and how Cla
is busy with it. You know how careful we
have to be when the personal goes into
the hospital. Mhm. So that that's one
thing. Another thing is is that as you
said before he was such a busy person
just as Manal and busy with individual
problems and busy with his articles and
he took the time and this is to me
something unbelievable to run a day camp
every summer instead of going on
vacation. The man worked so hard. He ran
a day camp where he hardly ever took any
money out of it. He didn't draw he he
only took a salary if there was a
surplus and there was hardly ever a
surplus because if anybody said he
couldn't pay he didn't charge them. He
just did it because people needed they
care for their children. Who does things
like that? A person who's
lash nothing else was on his agenda.
Nothing else was on agenda. It's really
really unbelievable. Now, as we wrap up
our conversation, people in Rich are
going to go out to buy the book. What
what what's your wish? What what should
be the takeaway?
Um like any biography first of all I
feel should be read more than once. You
have to a biography is not just to en
you know you read a novel you want to
just enjoy the novel.
about a great person. We want to learn,
we want to gain, want, we want to become
better from reading it. And to do that,
I think we have to try to read it more
than once. But uh with with this
particular book, I think a person can
come away realizing that I don't have to
be a godby Israel and in my own way, I
can have an impact and even even in my
own dalas, I can do great things just by
truly caring. translating that carrying
it to whether it's davening or giving
sta whatever it is that's what being is
all about
as children is saying that man's purpose
in this world is to do for others that's
he
lived and he lived for others on that
note rabbi fingleman first of all mazav
on this release uh as you alluded to
before how much time and effort goes
into such a book it's
only the author really knows. Uh so
congratulations on putting together
really what's a masterpiece a
masterpiece of a biography about a
masterpiece of a person. Um
and uh our hope is just like your other
previous volumes which have inspired so
many people this book will inspire young
and old and we continue we we wish you
continued. Amen. Same to you. Thank you
so much. Thank you for joining us. Thank
you.
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