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Hello everyone and welcome back to
Inside Art Scroll, where the books you
read and the people who write them come
to life. Today I am privileged to be
joined by best-selling author Rabbi Yil
Spiro, author of a brand new phenomenal
book, The Soul of Kadesh. Thank you,
for joining us. Thank you again for
having me. It's uh I think been about
two years, so it's good to since we last
spoke. I know you're a busy person,
Barashem, writing books. You're a busy
rebby, a devoted Rebi. You're speaking
in many places. So to get you down here
is not a a simple matter. I wish I could
come every week. That's the truth. Well,
you're invited here all the time. So
whenever you have time in your schedule,
first of all, we should stop do a
podcast, I think, regularly. Okay. Which
moves about you know me dalma. But
today, among other things, I'd like to
discuss this brand new book, uh, which I
know you're very passionate about. I
know you're passionate about the topic.
I know you're passionate about what you
shared in the book. Um, much of which I
myself have benefited from the stories,
the lessons. Um, but I'm sure many
people have asked you what prompted you
to write a book on of all topics,
Kadesh, right? Um, okay. So like every
book it starts with just somebody
mentions an idea and often the best
ideas are I don't know if it's a good
idea but I was thinking so there's a
Emanuel who called me after COVID or in
middle of COVID and he said listen so
many have lost their lives so many
people are searching for so many people
could use and you should write a book on
kadesh and it seemed
Perfect. Of course I should. Um I I
thought about it and I started to
research uh the subject matter and it's
uh on on so many levels. There's there's
parts of Kadesh that are very esoteric
and there's parts of Kadesh that are,
you know, so emotional.
um the more I invested in it and the
more I learned about it, the more I
realized I have to learn even more about
it. But like everything else started to
get pushed to the side. And to his
credit, he stayed on top of me. And
every few months he would, you know, he
would uh send me a WhatsApp message or a
text and you know, shalom, not to
pressure, but have you given it more
thought? And and Barashem it it started
to build momentum and once I started on
it, I I couldn't stop. So where where
did you start when you decided okay I
want to really focus in on kadesh where
does one start right so I I well always
I always buy swarm now we know we know
we know and um I started to think about
the kadeshim in my life that have been
unforgettable my parents should be gaz
they're both with us so my experiences
of kadesh have really come from um what
I've observed from others. I remember
many years ago um it was actually
um there was a cousin of ours that was
Miff and and uh she was a young
mother. I think she was 29 30 years
old and it was the
saddest. The whole the whole city of
Cleveland went to Leva and Sust was she
was married on Yantiff and um and I
remember it must have been the next
Friday night. I was in Shaw in Young
Israel and people started talking and
the the not talking in Scho thing which
is incredible
movements. It it didn't exist 30 40
years ago. This was 40 years ago. So it
didn't exist so much. And sometimes
people would talk and and people were
talking and it got a little loud towards
the end of a Friday night davening. And
I'll never forget her father was saying
kadesh for her for whatever reason it
was. and and I remember him banging on
the
wall and in the middle of kadesh he said
is it too much for a father to want to
say kadesh for his daughter is it too
much for you to be quiet was
crying I I can see it it's like it
happened
yesterday was one kadesh I remember and
then there was another kadesh when we
had a talmid Mosha masitz a young boy an
eighth grade boy that was nifter car
accident um number of years ago and one
of the Rebeim and yeshiva was saying
kadesh for an uncle it was a fria uncle
who we I don't think he had much
connection to but he was saying kadesh
for
him and we found out at like 7:00 in the
morning that the boy was killed in a car
accident and normally the kadesh was
like a rapid fire
kadesh and we all came we were like
shaken to it was unbelievable
And I remember he started to say kadesh
and he couldn't get the words out. It
was like we were by Leva and it was our
town like
we and um he couldn't say the words. It
was like a kadesh that you don't forget.
Mhm. And when you when you think about
those kadesh and every
person has that moment, every person
that loses a child, every person that
loses a parent, every person that loses
a
sibling when people are sitting shiva,
they have those moments. Every you don't
think about it because it's not your
moment until it is your moment. And
generally everybody has the moment,
right? and and and I started to think,
what if you could
give to those people in their darkest
hour? What if you would be able to to
give them the story or the vart or the
makova that they could hold on to that
would carry them through their darkest
times. Mhm. And if you think about that
and and the the power that it can give
them and the empowerment to be able to
get past it like you have a and helping
being mazic people through the darkest
times. It's it's a no-brainer. But
you've mentioned that this particular
book is not only for those who've had to
say kadesh who neb have lost a parent or
a close relative, right? You feel very
strongly that it's for everyone. You
know, we don't time when books come out.
Books come out and we're in the middle
of the darkest Kufa in recent
memory. And and I did not know that
obviously when I was writing this book.
Mhm. But we've buried a thousand
brothers and sisters in the last
week.
And inside the book, I put nuggets of
it's in it's in it's just for everybody.
Not by the way, not only people that
have lost someone. It's obviously
centers around Kadesh, but there's parts
about in here. Different parts of the
book speak to different people, but it's
all
it's it's um I'm telling you it's like I
I've you know people ask me do I ever
read my own
books these past two weeks I've been
reading my kadesh book because just to
get more and we all who doesn't need now
right so it's um it's the perfect book
for the perfect time and I'll tell you
the truth you know some books
You have a story book sold for a month,
two months, three months and then
slowly I believe that every person that
is sitting sha whether or every person
that
needs hold on to the book read it'll
take you two weeks to read the book
three weeks to read the book. I know I
know from going through the book it's
really not just about kadesh I like what
you alluded to it's really
about during trouble times that's really
what the book is about it happens to be
through the medium of kadesh I'll I'll
tell you a beautiful thing um you know
the period when a person loses a loved
one so that immediate relatives are
called
anon and then after in the during the
period of anos there's no mitzvah
And it if you speak to people that have
that have lost that have experienced
anos it's a very very strange time. No
brahis, no mitzvah, no fill in, no it's
just a strange. It's
strange. And then immediately after the
kura, not only is everything back on,
not only does the switch go on,
but you
are
burdened with this extra burden of ding,
but al of course saying
kadesh. What happens? So I heard I wrote
a beautiful thing
from the word
is it means
but
the
understand the
way works. They understand the way human
beings work. And when we're hit with
with
tragedy we're numb. We're speechless. We
imish don't know we don't know what to
say or what to do. Person doesn't know
what to say or do. Can't possibly do
mitzvah.
can't possibly
say. But the also knows that after that
short period of time of anos, not only
are you capable of going back to your
regular
life, you're capable of doing more than
you ever thought before. And you're
giving us not only to it's beautiful not
only to say butadesh is you're giving
people the opportunity to
say you can rip up
the you become the
vehicle for kid
and it's and and that you know we talk
about believing in a kid to
believes in us when we're hurt and we're
wounded and we're
crying believes you. You you can rise
up. You will rise up and you will be
stronger than ever before. And it's like
for now it's
uh it's it's prophetic. It's
unbelievable. Right? You know we find
among people when you smoo with people
that kadesh gives them an even or maybe
especially during their lifetime you
have people talk about my kadesh right
they refer to their children as my
kadesh that's so much part of it's it's
part of yisha culture that that that's
part of it's it's part of keeping your
legacy going it's part of what's going
to give your nishama what we we you know
these are that are beyond us but
whatever that means it will give my my
it's
in and so on and so forth whatever it is
but you see it you see it so much I was
just smoozing with one of the here at
art
school of kadesh about the kadesh baser
at the end of davening someone found a
stein in a art school said that we were
talking about it and and he was sharing
with me how how kadesh is is is very
very unique in in that anything that's
related to the afterlife. Anything
related to to these in yonim people are
very very sensitive about and and and it
it hits them in a different way. Right.
Well, a lot of times people feel it's
like taboo to talk about especially the
they don't want to have anything to do
for many years people don't want have
anything to do with anybody who's
involved in the kadisha you know they
didn't even invite you to like because
they don't want to have anything to do
with it but um yeah it's it's uh kadesh
is an opportunity for us to be able to
embrace our fears in many ways also but
of course to continue the msira and
people see like you said a kadeshel is
somebody that will carry on. Um what was
a revelation that you had? I mean you
started learning about kadesh. We hear
thousands of kadesh throughout our
lifetime. What what was a sheer
revelation that you had as you started
exploring it?
Um, I I I I'll I'll tell you, you know,
there's a lot there's really, and again,
I I really don't want to toot my own
horn because this is not me and anything
that comes out from from my work is only
because I really feel like you get satis
and you're able to produce the right
thing at the right time. Um, but I I'll
I'll tell you like I I found that first
of all, kadesh is not kadesh has nothing
to do with death.
I think that's shocking to people
because people when they when they start
saying kadesh they want to they do it
because and and even people that are not
religious want to say kadesh people like
have this desire whether it's because
they feel like they want to connect to
their parents or because they want
listen they they're faced with the
fragility of life and and our
vulnerability and they say hey maybe I
should start doing something so they
start saying kadesh and and they start
reading kadesh and is doesn't talk about
at all. There's no mention of death. Um
it's it's
about and it's also about understanding
that even when we think he's given us
the biggest
patch we could possibly
imagine, he's still the
loving who loves us more than anything.
So whether you understand it or not and
hopefully if you read the book you
understand a little more it's kind of
blending the with the and understanding
that is taking care of you and and to
understand that everything is and by you
accepting
that and continuing to
embrace
and you are
accepting and there it might lead into
the understanding of accepting death and
and and difficult times. One of one of
the things people find interesting as
well with kadesh is the kadesh by aim
being the same as as a as as a kadesh by
a kuru which is also something did you
did you did you see the shot I I didn't
see oh it's unbelievable you're going to
love this whoever's listening to this is
going to love is amazing the only
problem is is that if I tell you this um
I'm I'm like losing like a great speech
to say by a grand semium I know that
that they're having a sem um there's a
sim see him on sushim coming up. Yeah.
So, so I I haven't been asked to speak
at the
summ but it's unbelievable. Why is it
that the kadesh I think it's called the
kadesh of that's the name of the kadesh
the kadesh of that you say at the kura
is the exact same lion when you finish
him who is and hey look he he's referred
to as the he's current he's a nice he he
says a beautiful shot he says when a
person
is is is picks up a maka
The maka has been sitting there. The gar
has been sitting there and you pick it
up. The maka is
dead. By learning the maka, you are
breathing life into the
maka. Every moment that you learn,
you're breathing life into a
dormant piece of gimmar that that's
actually been waiting for you to blow on
it and to to breathe life into it. But
when you finish the ma in a sense you're
stopping to learn that's the death of
the
when you say the
words it's the reenactment of because
you're promising you're going to breathe
life into the again which is what the
kadesh of of the when a person's buried
it's also uh isn't that beautiful that's
absolutely fascinating. Yeah. Wow. One
of my favorite ideas in the book. You
have some great stories in here. One of
my favorite is the story about Pesak
with the fellow comes into beautiful. I
mean a great stories sheer sheer one or
two. I want to share what I think is uh
and there's a couple people maybe
they'll watch it. Um you know one of the
advantages of writing this is is that
nobody ever knows what to say to a
novel, right? It's the most awkward and
and we're talking not supposed to speak
until the speaks to us and no one you
know no one knows what to say and I
don't claim to know what to say but in
private
conversation I've I've been able to pick
up hundreds of little tidbits to be able
to be mazic people which are really
treasures because if you if you can lift
a person up in his darkest moments it
it's it's priceless. It's priceless.
It's You're giving him life. Mish. So
there's a story and again it's as it's
as appropriate as can possibly be for
this period of time after the Meas Harav
massacre when when Yeshiva Baham were
killed in the B medish. Terrible
tragedy. So there were parents who were
inconsolable.
all of
them and they came to
Kakamuaja and Kakamuaja spoke to them
and this is what he told them. He told
them in 1971 I believe it was um so
Babasali lived in and shortly after he
moved there he discovered that there was
a couple that was having scholas
problems. How did he know they were
having scholars problems? Everybody knew
the windows were open and everybody knew
they were having fas problems. So he was
asked uh to get involved which he did
but he called his brother down. His
brother was a RV in
Lud in the community over there. And he
said to him, "Listen, I'm not a RV. I
don't have a with people. How about you
come down? You'll speak to them. You'll
you'll explain to them what needs to be
done. You'll help them with the lines of
communication.
And of course he came and his brother
was a great saddic in his own right. Um
he came down and and he spoke to them
and he explained to them what needs to
be done and he got them to see each
other's point of view and um and after a
few hours he's ready to go back. He said
goodbye to his
brother. He never made it home. He was
killed in a horrific
accident and Babasali was inconsolable.
Now let's understand that
Babasali was one of the holiest Jews in
many generations a
kadeshar and he knew the the alleyways
of Shayim right they say about
and here he was he was inconsolable and
he said it's all my fault I had to bring
him down if I didn't bring him down he
would have never died and he cried and
cried and cried and one night he went
went to sleep and he had a dream. And
his brother appeared to him in a dream.
And his brother said to
him, "It's I'm I'm okay. It's beautiful.
I'm in Shayim. I'm next
to He said, "It's all my fault. It's all
my fault." He said, "What do you mean
your fault? You gave me the I was
supposed to die. You gave me the to
die while I was bringing the down to the
world because
If there is in a home the comes down I
helped you helped facilitate bringing
the I was able to be part of that
mitzvah. So he says so you're okay. He
said yes except for one thing. He said
what what is it? He
said you can't continue to cry.
He said it it gives me pain when you
cry. Said stop
crying. So
um
Babasi said okay I'm not going to cry
anymore. So told the
families it's unimaginable s but when
you're able to finally stop crying the
nama will be perfect. and and it it's
not my place to say you know people are
going to cry for a long time but um but
we can smile too through the tears and
um I think that's a story that should
bring a lot of nuama to a lot of people
and you know maybe people feel guilty um
you know somebody told me what right do
you have to write a book on kadesh if
your parents are living you don't
understand the suga and I
don't I don't understand the suga but Um
but I I think that uh sometimes you can
try to give to people and and um if if
people can understand that it's okay to
smile even in the greatest moments of
that's part of the healing process. So a
beautiful idea. The word
sar is very closely related to the word
to be sad. The sadi is the same, the is
the same. The only difference between is
the r and the bay. Follow for a moment.
Re is gimatria
510. Bud is gimatria 412. The difference
between the two is 98. The
98. Why did it
come? We're meant to have in our lives.
We're supposed to that's part of the
challenge to be able to embrace through
the but
sadness sadness we can't have. So we're
allowed and and we must cry but we also
must try to
balance is even in the greatest it
doesn't pause when we're going
through is every moment of your life
from the moment we're born to the moment
we die but
thear is is is accompanied with and it's
and
only can be able to live with both and
part of the that I've heard from people
that they get
after tragic or not is is that they have
that ability to say kadesh. We learn we
do
mitzvah but saying kadesh is is it's
cathartic. Yeah. It's part of that
healing process. Um but you mentioned
something before. It's very hard to find
the right things to say to to those who
have lost someone close. Uh we see it
now in this period of of of war with
with Israel and really Gans Kalisrael in
such an aurora finding the the right
words it's it's hard. I'm sure you as a
rebby have have grappled with with this
right. I mean I think everybody in Kalis
has grappled with it. I don't think I I
I I think all of us have stinging eyes.
Our eyes are burning because for two
weeks we've we're we're trying and and
and and the truth is is that um unlike
the tragedies of co and meron where
everybody knew
somebody the these names are are not
known
names for most people. almost nobody,
very very few people are known. And and
the Yiddesha is so big that we we're
we're like crippled. We're we're
we're speechless. We we really I want I
want to say, you know, I I I've spoken
to people over the last few weeks and
people tell me they're they're walking
around in a days almost like they're not
operating at full capacity and and you
ask them why and they can't articulate
it. Just I'm not right right now. No,
I'm not whole. I'm I'm broken. I'm
broken inside. Um, you know, you
mentioned before about I I would even
say that kadesh gives you your voice
again and and
and the words of of the words of it
gives us our voice. We don't know what
to say. We find a voice
and you know we have to also
mitem should take care of us and
hopefully mashem soon we'll be through
this we'll never forget it
but we we I I told people if all we walk
away with are a few really nice aus and
some arms around the
shoulder will be lost opportunity. You
know, we got to walk away with something
real and and
and shayim and in any every person in
his own way. H how are you how are you
being the shamay in your life in the in
the most private of ways in in in in
your ding in your learning in your shias
in your in your patience with your
children in your in your interaction
with people in the store we have to be
able and and that's what that's what
kadesh
is which is by the way the same
as it's really just an Aramaic
translation of that of that but Um yeah
I've heard I I've heard I hear people
questioning you know uh they say you
know this
unprecedented and the and which is off
the charts almost like nothing people
have ever seen it's really incredible
but you know I already heard people
asking you know is it sustainable can it
be sustained and the answer has to be
yes just like anything else just like
you're saying there has to be a takeaway
from an aar there has to be a takeaway
whether we're saying amenu but in word
or indeed eat whatever it is it has to
be sustainable. We have to take
something from it. You know, one of the
things that that uh and and again
there's a lot in here. There's I have
one part of the book is nuggets of
which are again it's not just nuggets of
but little bite-sized pieces of
something can open up and feel not only
but it's a lot of um you talk about
a and when people die sometimes a shiva
house is the most beautiful place you
walk in and a family that's united and
is together it's magnificent it really
is there's something very malic about it
and it's majestic and it's almost like
you feel a privilege to walk in to such
a house but
if there's in that
family then then the death of a
parent it it just breaks the family into
billion
pieces if I could say I have a public
forum now if you haven't spoken to to a
family member and you haven't spoken to
a friend or somebody that you have
kindness
on make the phone call if not if not now
when you know and I think kadesh part of
it is it unites people we say kadesh we
say it's the whole sour together is
saying it there it has to be you ever go
sometimes you go into a and it's like a
disjointed kadesh you have one guy who's
running through kadesh and you have
other guy who's going very very slow it
it it doesn't
have sometimes the schul connects we
have sometimes in the schl everybody
comes together in the middle of the sh
and they say the but we only have a
voice if we're
together that's that that's what has to
happen the the the book is phenomenal as
a read for anyone but as you said when
people need this book is going to give
it to them and I also think that it's
timeless in that way it's I know it's a
brand new book now so like something new
but I think it's something that will
stand the test of time uh because of
because these messages are timeless and
uh and until we see the final there are
going to be these
these whatever they are and you know
should should make them easy for us to
deal with but uh but you've given Kaiser
a gift in this book I hope so you know
what you asked me before why did I write
it you ever walk into bul and they have
something on the little
table. It's it's it's it's a book. It's
a mig book. And if you ask most
people, they just want something there
because there's going to be a moment
like
now in a lot of families, it's busy, but
people have quiet time. Mhm. One of the
things I envisioned when writing the
book
is first of all after Shiva when the
house is not hustling and bustling when
when it's much harder. Yeah. Yeah. It's
much harder. And um and I I I I felt
like this is a book that people will be
able to have as a companion. Mhm. And I
I want to be clear. I I I'm I'm not
pushing the book because I want people
to buy I mean I do want people to buy
the book, but I really believe that it
can give tremendous. It's given me
tremendous and I have a couple voice
notes. You know, um Jerry and Sarowski
were the ones that dedicated the book
and they're friends of Kali. They've
done so much. Um and I send them voice
notes every once in a while because
people send me voice notes. The book's
only a few weeks old and people have
sent me letters and and emails and voice
notes um that are some of them are very
private and I don't send but every once
in a while somebody said I asked can I
share it with somebody and I send it to
them because that you should just know
the impact the impact that you make on
somebody's life. Just this morning
afterwards I'll let you listen. I got a
twominute voicemail voice note from a
woman who said the the events over the
last few weeks have caused her to lose
her equilibrium. That's what she told
me. She says, "I feel I can't even walk
straight." And she said she read one
nugget
of it just gave her some balance. It
restored her. So again, I I really
believe has has put the right words into
the book and I hope that Khalis can
become very I'm in awe of what you do. I
still don't know the the secret exactly
how you do it and how you balance
everything you do. It's it's a
masterpiece like like all your other
books are and each one seems to be more
impressive than the previous one. uh and
this time you've touched a very you know
a vulnerable uh time in a person's life
a very sensitive topic a topic that we
need and guidance in and so you know
thank you for doing what you did thank
you and you should continue to go amen
with your
fantastic in all different realms and uh
if I could say thank you for being
an because you as a personal friend and
everything you do for the clown as well
thank you so Thank you so much and again
thank you for coming out. Thank you.
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