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Hello everyone and welcome back to
inside art scroll where the books you
read and the people who write them come
to life. Today I am joined by Rabbi
Elias the author of a fantastic new book
on anim on all the anim. Thank you Rabbi
Elias for joining us. Pleasure to be
here. Now this is uh really a
groundbreaking work at least in my eyes
because anim is such a fundamental part
of
yiddishim anim. I mean it's an im and
yet from what I've seen there isn't
really any comprehensive work on the yud
until now you've put out this new book
which is going to be uh bought and used
in homes across the globe tell us how
you came to get involved in this project
I certainly hope so thank you for the I
hope it uh finds a welcome audience in
cla um I would say in fairness there are
other works out here um in my research
in writing this going back to the
drawing board sat down to give this I'll
talk about that
shortly but um there are swarm out there
that works out there is a tremendous
amount but it's important to
differentiate the different types of
works different types of target
audiences you know who are the or the
authors aiming for I do think and I do
feel very strongly that in a sense of
what we're trying to target here it's a
novel approach in terms of today's day
and age what we need and in that sense
but to say which Actually what I was
going for is that in English in an
understandable translation with
commentary that type of work I feel that
your new work is very very unique in
that sense. Thank you for that. Well the
goal here was really the truth is that
that there I would say more or less at
the risk of oversimplification the works
until up until this point that I'm
familiar with are the ones widely
available. I don't claim to know all you
know everything out there. Kyle has put
out a tremendous amount of literature.
There are swarm out there that people
use the anim as a springboard for all
types of smoozen and ideas and topics
that they want to talk about and it's
really just a springboard to get into a
bigger topic without really staying true
to the mission of an imam itself. Um
otherwise the other extreme and they
have danims where they're really
focusing on the text and pretty much
that alone saying what the words are.
Those are the two of the more recent um
things have been put out has been out
again in multiple languages. Um that
what I would say that now you go back
well further back times Rambam and and
you know Risha others have dealt with
these in Yanim we have long winded very
intense hashkafa matter and to put all
those things into their category today's
day and age I think the really question
before we started was um what would
appeal to today's day and age how can we
make this something that is appeals to
cla today and what did what did you find
what was the key to make it appropriate
for today's generation okay so I'll take
one step back the first thing I think is
important is that there's a tremendous
bush in Kisel today for so much in Yados
and so much in Tyra a tremendous
tremendous bush out there. There's a
desire for more tyro more information.
People want there's a thirst out there.
Um tell us that that there many the 10
types of of hungers that will come to
the world different types of the will be
an end of towards there'll be a time
of it'll be as well. There'll be a RV as
well. It'll be cool. It'll be the
hardest, but there'll be a real thirst
for Tyra. A real thirst for for for what
we could the same way a person thirsts
for food, water, people want Tyra. And
we see that today, people want that. And
the question is really, you know,
without getting to details here, but the
idea is how are we as educators
attacking that need? So when someone
wants something, we either sell them the
same thing they've had for years
previous, but every generation has their
own kuna and they have their own
understanding how they see life. I mean,
everything we do today is totally
different. We don't live in the same
world as 50 years ago. What What do you
think the key is as far as today's
language? Is it dumbing it down? Is it I
hate to say that, but exactly that
point. Meaning, if we have to go ahead
and start selling ourselves cheap, if we
take the material and we sell it cheap,
we you know, we downgrade it and and um
you know, years ago because by the way,
before you go on, I would say here in
the world of art scroll, I would say
it's punk It's
about putting it in today's language, in
today's vernacular, today's
jargon without bringing down the quality
of the work. So that that's really
exactly what we're targeting. We're
targeting exactly is the message is
invaluable. There's nothing about it
that can be changed. It's terms. It's
exactly what's meant to be said. Now the
first question always has to be what did
in this case deal with that further but
the mikram that we have are based the
best of our knowledge they're based upon
the Rambam's that he established in the
parake and he elaborates there we have a
a bridge version which more or less
lines up with the Rambam and we're going
back to that so we have to ask ourselves
what did the Rambam want before we
decide how to package the message and
deliver it to people today we have to be
honest to what the message is and that's
really the first goal of this whole work
that which is the the first question
people are going to ask most people
assume that the yudum were written by
the Rambam. Is that is that accurate?
Okay, so that I know it's a load of
question eye opener. It's an eye opener
and when I first saw this especially
when I got into these we'll go through
the history of how we got here but the
idea of when I went through this more
and you know the delving into this and
seeing the history and what happened it
was an eye openener for me and somehow
you know it's been quite a few years
that the every child grows up knowing
the lickim and as you look through it
you realize we have no idea who the
author of the anim is an hour sitter. We
have absolutely not a clue who wrote
these anim. It's astounding because you
have something that it could have been a
fantastic assume it has to be somebody
pretty to have that to catch on to be
inspiration for and we're talking about
ims that aren't just you know me and you
you know you and I and every other
person out there are saying it said to
push to say it every single day push for
it something accepted by the leaders of
not just the so we have clear guidance
that this is a correct thing to go there
there were questions that come up that
have come up yes or no was it written by
the Rambam or was it not to the best of
our knowledge absolutely Okay, I can't
say that affirmatively because we don't
know who wrote it. But I could say but I
could say that there are enough
discrepancies between the imam version
that we have and pierce that would seem
to indicate now there are those I know
there are people out there who suggest
the Rambam over the years may have had
other versions and maybe this is a
takeoff of that. But we have the facts
that we have in front of us is we have a
elaborate version of the Rambam himself
that he wrote in Arabic translated. We
have a few translations but more or less
the same. Then we have the anim in in uh
the sitter version so to speak. Mhm.
They line up more or less. They're very
clear and subtle. There some they're
very clear differences. The disparities
between the two. Those disparities lend
us to believe that it's not the same.
It's based on that clearly. It seems to
be but
um the betting money would be that it's
not the same. And at what point in time
did those anim imams, whoever the author
was, did it somehow get into the
mainstream so to speak where it's in
every single sid? So you know it's it's
uh it's it's a mystery digging backwards
trying to figure out you know things
spread and spread but where was the
first even just the first source dating
the first source right so we look we
find we look back um listed in the in
the introduction to this to this work
there's a number of of there's a some
sadum in the 1500s we're talking about
300 years after the rabam was nif right
after passed away 300 years passed and
we have no record no documentation that
could be because things were destroyed
it could be it was actually earlier we
don't know
Um, so it shows up 300 years later. We
don't know the that catches on to the
degree that people sort of think that's
the Rambam and they forget about the
Rambam. Most people have very little
knowledge if any of the Rambam's version
of the Ra himself wrote the job here
really, you know, it's always a dilemma
here. Where do you stay true to? Do you
go do you aim for the anime version? Do
you aim for the Rambam version? Largely,
again, they they they dove tail. They
they work together. They're along the
same lines. I made a point of trying to
speak out really both the capturing the
best of both worlds. The Rambam was the
goal here is Rambam's the bottom line is
Rambam but there are chapters there are
ideas that are expressed that are
clearly they're written very clearly
that these are the ideas of the Bani Mam
whoever wrote this these ideas that we
accept we may not know who it is but the
fact that Kla had it for centuries and
accepted it that's good enough that's
credentials as far as KL is concerned
that that gives us the mandate to go
ahead and explore that angle too. Now
this work also has a a unique emotional
component that's very unlike other works
which are also equally special in that
it's dedicated Leland Nishma's Davi sty
son of uh Reb Schlimi Stey and his
rabbitson and there's definitely
something special about that but how did
you get involved together with Duplimi
and and I know that the safer is also
based on shurim you've been giving on an
imam and take us back to the the history
here because it's only a year old the
you know that uh that experienced such a
gut-wrenching s and what's come out of
it is just a revolution of and now and
his whole effort to spread the saying of
an imam talk about that okay so I'll
preface this by saying you know has a
way of guiding people and taking people
to where they have to be um I've been
involved in very many different
situations in Montreal in the kuk
aspect. Kuk in terms of brim elementary,
high school, post high school, balbatim,
people who are up in their years. uh it
could be be and it could be you know all
sorts of different types of things are
going on and sometimes one window closes
the next window opportunity opens and
sometimes you end up somewhere you don't
know where and what based on you know a
couple years doing something and then
that closes you say you know what
happens now right and sometimes that
that's the impetus to get you to the
next step u based on a confluence of
various factors I end up spending more
time there number of different shs right
around my neighborhood um it's a pretty
close-knit uh neighborhood our
neighborhood of Montreal I live right
around the corner from the stimes
Um, and I ended up spending more time
within Kakma, which is where Davins, his
father-in-law as well, Davin's there for
close to 30, 50 years. They're very
close. Your father's the Raj Kyle in of
the of the Kyle of the Montreal Kyle.
Montreal Kyle, which is on the same
block. It's on the same block. It's
right there. I live right across the
street. So, you know, we're all it's all
in the same dom literally. Um, and I
ended up This is more of a is more of a
Himea place, more of a Hungarian flavor
to different type of crowd. Very warm
crowd, very nice crowd. And
interestingly I hadn't even been there
that much as it's across the street from
my house occasionally to Davin Shakras
it just you know I hadn't been there
that much and then I due to different
factors I end up gravitating more
towards that and opportunities that were
there and then came lime and again
whether you dab in there whether you
didn't Montreal even the broader
community of Montreal there's a big
large community there's a large Saudi
community Montreal we all know each
other it's big there are large numbers
there and we all know each other and
it's everyone's sur you know it's
something we all felt and I remember
that night you know nightmar and we
heard news of the tragedy and no one
knew exactly what happened first and
then things were developing and this
happened that happened and then suddenly
we heard there people from Montreal
there people we know who are part of the
but no one knew yet what happened and
and are they alive are they not alive
there are others from Montreal besides
and and or again not necessarily in
Montreal at the time but people who had
their roots in Montreal and the whole
night you know people were saying to him
and people were just in that pensive
state not knowing what's going to happen
and again it's a personal became like a
f you hear on the news today we become
sort of you know desensitized to
everything going on there in the world.
We hear this, we hear that and you know
today the the the flood of media just
sort of desensitized us but when it hits
home it hits home and this is and we
heard the whole night reading and then
we came to Shakris and we all you know
different people heard earlier later but
you know we all heard the news and it
was a start for it was a start from
Montreal in particular. Sure you know we
hit us very hard you know many people
around the globe everyone had a personal
connection to someone there but but it's
something very personal so at that time
during the shiva sitting there and and
and it became it became such a a passion
fori that he's going to take this he
spoke by the lava whoever saw the leva
it was heart- wrenching to see but it
was passionate to see I got phone calls
from people afterwards who said to me
you know he's not from the you know the
sadiki thead this is a simple who can
stand by his own son's leva
and gets up and
says and this is it. Unbelievable. A
person called me from from from Florida.
I got a few other phone calls and you
know smooing with people and people were
inspired by seeing this how he himself
it's easy to talk you know talk the talk
but this is somebody's own son's levia
you know son's in front of him and he
can get up there and say you know we
trust neighbors there and he did this he
came home from Israel he's by the shiva
and this became a message that he was he
was going to carry and when I spoke to
you we were talking about by the shiva
the the videos that went out of of the
sitting around and singing an imam and
it was it was surreal it was hard to it
was hard to believe and and it was hard
not to join in the in the emotion and
crying of the moment because everyone
was swept up in that moment. It was
really unbelievable. Yeah. So, so, so
himself I mean as well known he's been
on a on a mission to make this you know
imam everyone's everyone's property
everyone's passion and one of you know
starts at home base so in itself after
ding people should say interestingly the
rabbam itself has a strong aversion to
institutionalizing imams he mentioned
this to um trying to speak about this
some people know about this because of
this question about standing by the
reading of we try not to promote one
part of too much people shouldn't get
the wrong impression the himself without
details ra himself strongly again he has
this aversion to institutionalizing a
schol should not have an official
reading so to speak together of anime or
sarah or anything else it would seem
from but after ding everyone to say it
that's fantastic everyone should take
the time and we end off a lenu speak out
the reason why we end alenu that ending
we put that at the end is to end off
with a message of amuna that's all it's
all about we walk out of sh walk out
into your life with
amuna started at home his home base in
mifa it's a family it's a sh it's that's
where he
And the balbatim the people there were
saying this every single day and I had a
conversation with some of the batim
there who I had grown to have more
with and they were discussing how we
have these animes in sitter for the
average person you read it you see the
words you know most I mean okay open the
article version you get the full
translation hopefully your English is up
to article par you know and you know
what's going on so okay but what do
these ideas mean and then you have
questions if you think about it you have
questions and where are the answers and
the average person out there where you
supposed to They're not people aren't
going to start looking up and you know
again there was no easily accessible
work if you want to sit down and learn
you know something philosophy or
something else or or other works out
there as far they're very intense but
the average you know person out there
who wants to spend a few minutes and
they're talking about how could we have
this anime imam taken to the next level
instead of just saying the words at
least one time sit down and figure it
out. So we discussed the idea of having
a shear and about them were extremely
into this. Let's have a shar discussing
let's make it short. Let's make it
tangible. Let's make it one message each
time. We're talking about 10 minutes,
eight minutes. Take one message doesn't
have to cover a full
anim. Take it step by step. One clear
message each time. Something explaining
each of the anim. So we started twice a
week. 10 minutes, eight minutes. And you
you were giving the shear. Yes. Yeah. Um
it was to try this because for me
because I grew up in the Shiva system
more or less like many many people out
there everyone knows you know everyone
could tell you that that you know of
course is so important you can learn so
important many people say over you know
from B brisk there's a famous
expression idea that that if you don't
know imams you're you're flawed in your
yiddish kite if you don't know the imams
you're you're there's something missing
in your very essence of being a Jew and
then what what are the imams you stop
these people and ask them do you know
they are and people could tell you some
of them. We know it's important. We talk
about it, but but what do they mean? So
for me, I I know I feel bad saying this,
but myself, you know, of course we know
the basics, but how much thought have we
given to the core of Aramuna? And this
is an opportunity for me to really sit
down and get to work on this. Um, you
know, were you doing a lot of
preparation for it? Was it did it really
become a whole undertaking? It was hard,
especially in the beginning finding the
the rights form for what I wanted to
accomplish. I could find you know many
in-depth things but I want I want the
people to have the shot of what was
going on. What do I have to know? If I
give you let's say talks about whatever
topic it is and I can give you many fine
on it and and what say what do I have to
know to fulfill that role I have to know
these 13 things these are essential
these are essential for me as a kid to
know what exactly do I have to know and
what don't I have to know do I have to
know all details do I have to know the
basics what's the idea that I have to
know the concept and we pair it down
what exactly do I have to know job
number two and this goes back to your
original question about you know how to
make it relevant once you have the
message can you put into terms that
people can
without the message without bringing it
down. Take that exact message and put
into people's terms. That means for
example I you know one thing I can say I
have taught many many scenarios and I'm
proud to say that you know in the use of
mishim all sorts of parables to make
things tangible. I've never used the
mush to the best of my knowledge. I've
never in my life used the muscle of a
king and a princess. You know that's
that's you know talk to people today the
best maybe a judge a court maybe you
know if a guy's been in court a few
times but you have to make it relevant
put into their terms and there's so many
things in their life look around the
things that happen in their life every
day take that and use that as a muscle
something they can understand take
something they understand and attach it
to the idea and it works and if you put
into their terms they get that people
get it they grasp it they can run with
it that's what it's all about we found
tremendous with the people took to it
very successful people came people
wanted to hear more this crowd in in
within the shul started sending it out
by email to other people today because
of the diamonds there's a sitenet the sh
on the site there other sites from
others um it's developed it's grown and
there's a thirst kly wants to hear and
cla wants to hear I I firmly believe
they want to hear real they want to hear
real material sure you know you tell
someone a cute thing or something a nice
v which is cute but it doesn't get to
the core of the matter people know what
they're getting you get up and speak for
an hour and you just say stories, people
know they're not getting the real Tyra.
They're getting, they're getting a nice,
very enjoyable experience, but people
want to hear the real deal. And when you
tell them something that it says in Z or
something esoteric and it's real Tyra,
it's genuine, but it's not tangible for
people, it's also not giving them
something that can change their lives,
right? So, you have to put it into a way
that they can grab and they can change
their own lives. So, at what point did
you decide, okay, we're going to take
this year that seems to be growing in
popularity and we're going to turn it
into a written book. So this uh you know
as so much in the world that happens
this is thanks very much to in part Ber
um really is is a man who who loves
making connections he has a talent to
make connections and you know he saw the
potential he spoke to a lot of and I
have to say to me you know you grew up
with arts girl you know you know we talk
the early days when arts school first
had the migilla today by and large we
all grew up with arts girl and it's sort
of humbling you know to call up you know
on the phone and and you all of a
sudden, you know, they're taking your
work seriously. That's that's a big
deal, you know. And Lawitz from day one
has been passionate. He calls me, you
know, we're on the phone and he's behind
it. It's going to come out. It's going
to be phenomenal. We're going to Did you
have written samples at that point or or
was it just an idea? Um, I had not
written up any samples. Raised me in the
beginning of the process to to see how
to put it down into writing. I had
written extensively in other forums in
mostly in matters in a number of
different different publications. So,
I've done quite a bit of writing in the
past. I've published other things in the
past. So, writing is not something
foreign to me. And I would say I would
be remiss if I didn't mention that
you're an anal grandson of the famed
Rabbi Joseph Elias
who you know in art school lore is quite
a name having written uh you know a
number of works right and is a Hagada is
the is the go-to Hagada um is that
something that you have in the the Elias
gene the the writing ability is I'd like
to say I don't deserve any credit for my
writing you know I would like to think
I'm sure you've honed the skill but
actually my father as well is a you
carries on those jeans. So, I would like
to think I'd be humble to say this, but
I I would like to say that though I
would dream of one day doing that. I
would also say that one of my
grandfather's more monumental
accomplishments with arts girl was
writing the commentary to the Shanstein
peric which deals specifically with
these with these topics and I would tell
you that it's something it was it was a
difficult heritage a different feeling
for me as I went through this all
because my grandfather my grandfather
having you know passed away a few years
ago you know having missed it by those
few years opportunity if I would had
these are exact these were the topics
that were up his alley so to speak you
know he had that proficiency and the
fluency mentioning my grandfather in
particular I would point out that that
as I went through this work and I'm
writing this a particular sensitivity I
had a a a feeling of loss my grandfather
one of his monumental accomplishments
was of his many accomplishments was
writing the commentary to the arts girl
Shanstein edition per kick the perk in
Sanhedrin which deals with precisely
these you know these topics mashiach
amuno the basics all those topics are
covered in that peric and it's precisely
there where he excelled in bringing that
to gladius And as I went through these
topics, you know, you have the feeling
like, you know, I missed this by a few
years. My grandfather passed away a few
years ago, not that long ago. And
having if I would have had the
opportunity to to discuss these matters
with him and go through them, it would
have enriched my life, my understanding,
I don't have that, but if I if I may
humbly say what what you've done is a
magnificent work. I have no doubt that
up above your grandfather shopping
tremendous. So perhaps we didn't benefit
from his input which would have been
invaluable for such a work but there's
no question that with the beautiful
product that we have and this book
that's again that people are going to
enjoy immensely and going to really take
to make it a major part of their day
your grandfathers know no doubt I hope
so I try to stay true to his mandate but
I think the vision I think that he would
like to see it brought out to the world
and I hope I'm playing some small part
in filling that now in in learning on
imam and in depth what you've done. Um
I'm just curious, is there any part of
an imam that really stood out to you or
that you said to yourself, "Wow, I I
always thought of it one way and now you
see it in a different light and is there
a particular anim that that that more
meaningful to you?" What what was the
revelation or the epiphany that you had
when you started really going in depth?
There there there were lessons every
step of the way. And this may sound but
but really every step of the way there
when you clarify an idea and you say wow
that that's what the Rama meant and it
makes so much more sense and it clicks
and there's a real message
here. I would
say the particular what you know as each
person finds something insightful as
each reader goes through you know the
work they'll find things according to
their own life experience what they took
for granted which may be true not true
modifiable or something along the lines
hopefully everybody should feel enriched
there's one point
which really became clarified as I went
along this work and that is when you
talk about amuna what does it mean the
words and I believe everyone says I
believe I believe amuna by itself just
means I believe something a fool can
believe anything. The words I believe by
themselves don't really have any
connotation. I can believe what I want
to believe. What does that mean as aid?
And one thing that we really get from
the Rambam and this something I really
felt as you go through the work and it
becomes more and more clear and and and
each of these ideas contribute to this
and that is the Rambam wasn't writing
random concepts. He wasn't writing
random ideas. So I'm not going to refer
to one specific idea but the sum total
of ideas was not about like we have the
ideas like okay I check off the box I
believe in Hashem check I'm done that's
it you know we're good we're good to go
the rabb was addressing the was
addressing life as aid I'm a Jew I live
in this world what does that mean where
am I going what's my direction he put
together there's a word that I believe
in something but what is that something
that something has 13 pieces there's a
puzzle here with 13 pieces and you put
them together you have a full picture
that picture I say an im and I believe
in that. So the question really starts,
we focus so much on imm. But forget that
a second before I get to that im. Let's
take a step back. What am I believing
in? What are we talking about? Talking
about a way to view your own life. It's
a whole paradigm. It's a way to view
everything differently. It's a view. A
way to view a mission in life, my goals
in life, why am I here? Where are my
instructions? Where am I going? And then
I say, well, that's a whole way to view
life. I believe that this is what my
life is about. Right. So it's not just
to add to your point, the the ham the
masses when you say anim to them, it
usually means one thing.
It's because that's the the most famous
which is true because people think of
like a sad thing like oh the cattle cars
no
way has been brought out at times of
which is true I make me made mention
there that we discuss for example I'll
tell
us daylight when we see things clearly
crystal clear that's we talk about we
see Hashem's hand when something's clear
to us the times are good a n happens
miraculous Yeshua something fantastic we
could talk about Hashem Amunoska this is
discussed at length by make mention of
this amuno many sources say tell us
amuna means that there's a consistency
where something is unwavering and will
not change the definition of muna is it
was that way and it will always be that
way and it cannot change with that said
when it gets dark for that's when we say
I don't know what's going on I can't
tell you what's happening but I know
that yesterday he was here for me the
day before he was here for me so when
the lights are off and it's dark. I know
he's still right there. So yes, it
always comes out. The moon it comes out
when suddenly I'm in a panic mode. I
can't see. The lights are off. It's
black. But I'm taking the ideas I
already know these 13 ideas and carrying
them forward. But it's not about
necessarily the time of survival in the
dark. So it comes to the four when
there's a you know a buck was killed
in when when there's a tragedy you know
the horrors of World War II and all
these scenarios. That's when we see it
when someone can hold firm and say I
take that same message from me for and I
carry it straight through the time when
I can't see what's happening. you're you
know thanks to AB Randberg people also
know you know I should mention but uh
but like you're saying really an anim in
general is really a much broader context
it's the anim in the whole system that
we believe in and really each anim is
just an outgrowth of of that right take
for example just a random one just off
top of my head believing in the idea of
kakish whatever we do has an effect and
we will ultimately enjoy the reward or
pay the
That means we go through life with
accountability. That means when I
everything I do when I wake up till I go
to sleep, there's an accounting there's
a ledger and it's going to it's it's all
on the books. I'm doing video all it's
going to be there. So it's not a
question of you know oh by the way I
believe if I know that everything I do
is on record that means I better be very
careful. It's not by the way. It's so
integral to who we are, what we do. So
that we're discussing the but people
will ask you, you know, the the the
anims were instituted to be said, but
really how do you apply it tangibly?
One step back. The Rambam did not
institute imams to be said. The Rambam
put down the 13 ideas without writing
the word imam at all. He said there are
13 basics for every Jew. These are
basics you have to know. This has
nothing to do with saying it every day.
The word imam doesn't appear. The one
who wrote an imam took those ideas and
turned it into a credo. It's a statement
of anim. I firmly whatever it is in
these however you translate it. I
believe in these ideas. He took the
rabb's ideas and turned it into
something we can say and profess our our
belief in that wasn't saying that the
just laid it out and said here these are
the basics. Either you believe in it or
you don't. It's a fact in the Rambam.
You believe it. You're a Jew. You're in.
You're Jewish regardless. You're a
full-fledged Jew regardless. But if you
want to know if you're on the team and
playing for the team, you know either
you're in or you're out. all the dem of
treating someone as a brother. The Raam
says that various various different
things that will come up. Ram says if
you want to be on the team so to speak
of Kalis, this is what it's at. Either
you're on or you're off. Now it's up to
you. Anim author went ahead and took
that and said, "Okay, let's get up there
and say clearly an imam. I believe in
these things. I'm on board. I'm with
Claudius." So he turned into something
that you say, again, we don't know who
he is, but he turned into something
where I can get up and say I'm I'm with
us.
What's your hope with this book at the
end of the day besides that obviously
people should buy it and and and and
study it? What's your long-term goal
that you feel would would kind of
validate the effort and the time to uh
to you? What what would that be? As I
think anybody anybody who has any
involvement in and I say in a broad
sense education the greatest could have
any job in which is remarkable
remarkably rewarding. It's remarkably
rewarding. It's nothing as as as I can't
describe anything close to the idea of
you say a you give over a thought or
it's a two-minute thought and you see
someone's face light up like aha I got
it. Mhm. There's something exhilarating
about that that you made a difference in
someone's understanding of life,
someone's understanding of a garumar and
it resonated and you could see in a
moment, you know, when you teach
someone, you can see right away they got
it, they didn't get it. You know, it's
it's anyone in the field could tell you
right away. But when you write
something, you'll never see that. You'll
never see that. But you hope that out
there making a difference people's
lives. Now, I would say within that, I
would take two notes within that. two
small things I would say and that is my
immediate goal is that people view these
ideas as philosophy as deep things
that's not for me today's day and age
you know maybe perhaps you know in
Germany 200 years ago people are
passionate about you know at the time of
skulla and or other times or whatever it
was people were passionate about their
beliefs or ideas and people would just
go off to because or or other in the
contrary hopefully they would they would
join kroll because they were passionate
about their beliefs and it had to today
we're generation of you know iPhones and
sushi that's what we do well people view
that but at the same time there's a
tremendous tremendous B kush like you
said before a b kush and I'll tell you
something else we're sitting in the
world of art scroll what's the
bestselling what are the bestselling
books living amuna living ama there's a
there's a desire for people to learn
amuna
um you have people like
who's selling a message and he's the
most popular message today wherever he
goes people flock to hear People want to
hear messages of and that's really what
this book does. This book just
encompasses it based on so the idea here
is what I'm trying to get to here which
is a little different track but you
notice everyone has their track where
they can nail their road to getting to
kalis and and hitting what they have to
hit. What I was trying to hear was that
the depth of the ideas should be
something which is not seen as being
something aloof, something esoteric,
something or for the people who you know
the really brainy people out there who
like to learn philosophy for the fun of
it. You know every inro the Rambam says
we all should know this and it means
every Yid should and can understand
this. This is not the domain of the
philosophers. It's not the domain of the
people who are tremendous bal you know
people who spend the people today we are
privileged to have tremendous bal maka
today who know these things well but
every yen class has to know this so the
first goal I would say just to go back
to your question the first goal is every
class should have a firm awareness again
we talk about amuno everyone says that's
great I'm past that I want every person
to understand that the ideas that we
have to believe are tangible they're
real and they're tangible you can
understand them you go through this or
do
Does this safer? Does this work? You can
do anything else you can find. Find
something to put into your terms. You
should feel it's not out there. It's
right here. You can hang on to it. It's
real. Number one, the very awareness
that it's not something we just say, "I
believe and close your eyes." The ideas
of what we believe, those very 13 ideas
are all things that you can grasp. You
can grasp. You can know it and know it
well exactly what it means to be it and
understand it. So the first
accomplishment I would dream of
accomplishing is to take these ideas and
put them in people's hands that they can
walk around and saying to walk around
saying there's something I know
something I understand. I'm not talking
about level whatever it is but on a
simple basic level it's tangible and
it's real to you. That's number one.
Number two and which is really the end
goal is that people should view their
own lives differently. Amuna is not
something to die with. It's something to
live with. It's something to live every
day of your life with. We look, we walk
around the world and you know we the
world has a setup of how we view life.
You're supposed to make money. You're
supposed to be successful. We throw in
yados too. All good things to do. But
this in dictates of life. You're
supposed to be successful. Have you
measured some degree by having a job and
what is the purpose? That I should live
a happy well-meaning, you know,
well-intentioned life and have good kids
and all these type of good things and
I'm done. But if you do that, you can
focus on a reality sort of dictated by
the world at large with our version of
it, so to speak. You know, we're
throwing in mitzvah and everything else
and still not be in tuned to what your
own mission is. There's there there's a
reality and there's a different reality.
There's a reality and something behind
the scenes. I mean,
just you look around this room. We have
swarm swarm beautiful ornate swarm
shelves full of all sorts of swarm.
Let's say I turn around to these shelves
and I tell you, guess what? These swarm,
they're not real. They don't exist.
These fanks, they ain't there. Look at
me. A little
strange. Go over check it out. Right.
And yet you look at me, you know, as
much that could be true. I tell you
there's another version out there. We're
sitting in a room with nose farm with
nose farm shrines. It's all your
imagination. It's real, but in a
different context. If I tell you that,
you look at me a little strange. But
yet, I'm telling you the same thing
about our world. We look at the world
and we say you have to make money to be
successful. Hold on. There's something
else happening. There's a different
reality happening here. We have to pay
attention to it. and he put me here on a
mission and I have to do something and I
don't measure success the way the world
measures success. What's my mission? The
mission is he created the world. The
mission is there's the the mission is
there's accountability. There's going to
be an endgame. There's going to be
mashia. There's going to be a time that
the world comes to perfection. There are
things along the way. How do I know the
mission? Where are my mission orders? So
for gave me a parts of my So can I can I
interrupt you for a second because we're
talking to an audience predominantly of
adults, right? Most most people watching
Inside Arts School are adults. They're
grown, maybe married, maybe have
children. These are such basic
fundamentals that you would think that
by the time someone is 10, 15, 20 years
old and they've gone through the yeshiva
system, they would
understand these very fundamental
concepts. We live for a reason. We don't
live to make money and live an easy
life. We live to accomplish.
uh is praised
alumin I mean it you know someone might
say if you don't have this down pat but
you know and on some basic level by the
time you're you know whatever age you
you're behind the eightball like what
what's going on so and let's say we are
and let's say we are so we have to but
I'm just saying deep goal my goal this
point is I'm kind of lamenting in a nice
way that people could go through a whole
educational system and still not have
this ingrained in them. You want to get
you don't want to go into shaky turf
here, but but I will say I'm not trying
to say anything controversial,
right? Is that a valid point? It's a
valid point. I understand that it's a
lifetime work. True. But the basics
internal the basics should be there that
people should know. But I will say we
have systems today. We have today
they're doing a phenomenal job.
Obviously some are better. You know,
some excel, some do well, some others.
We have dedicated rebayman out there. I
can't tell you every situation, you
know, whether every yeshiva puts
priority on this, whether they don't, I
don't know. I can't tell you that. I
could tell you from my own limited
experience that the maturity curve today
is probably far behind what it was. I
didn't live 50 years ago. I didn't live
20 years ago in Amir used to discuss
these type of things at depth with you
know tremendous depth with with the buck
who came from Germany because they came
with such a background. People used to
grow up again going back that this was
part of their life. They they they
grappled with these things. Why am I
here in life? This is something they ask
themselves today. I think most teenagers
don't really have that question. But but
we're not hopeless. We may be behind the
curve, but we're getting there. So, at
some point, it's going to happen. Now,
if Rashiva gave a schmoo in, you know,
10th, 11th, 12th grade base medish, and
he didn't address it fully or he
couldn't because of the maturity level,
it happens. But one thing's for sure,
whatever the situation is, however we
got here, we have people out there who
can use enrichment in these things. That
I can tell you for sure. My So, my job
is and I'll add and I'll add to you.
Sorry. I I I will add that someone
like to be able to get up after such a
an unspeakable tragedy and get up by his
sons and
say for Claus to watch a person go
through an like this and emerge with
such strength that that speaks volumes
you know for someone else to go around
and preach amuna and preach on imam and
so people you know will maybe listen
maybe they won't. But when someone goes
through something like that and still is
able to stand up and
say that that's more powerful than
anything else that's why a book like
this to be dedicated by him lean's son
and the amazing work that you've done in
elucidating it that combination is
unmatched and that's why I think the
safer this book is going to resonate
with people on a on a different level.
This is be a very special
in terms of making it relevant. I would
add that I had opportunity over the past
two years to work at a number of
opportunities of Kuk but particularly
one of them is um at night I teach quite
frequently the past pretty much four
years at Montreal run by our school's
very own Sherman son-in-law geared
towards Brim who are post high school
they're out of high school they are
working other scenarios and they come to
learn these are challenging crowd they
have questions and our goal always has
been well we come into night every night
and the boys all know the first thing is
when you come to nator they're entitled
to ask any question they want everything
is on the table whatever you want the
only thing that's off limits is people
you cannot ask a question about a person
but a question about any topic you want
which means that on my end my job as a
mechanic is to stop and think these are
people here and they want answers
whatever topic is if I can't explain to
them quickly on the spot in terms they
can understand I lost a chance and if I
lost a chance I lost them and then it
all spirals it's been a great experience
the past couple years it's opportunity
that was gifted and barashm from that I
It developed really the ability it
helped develop that ability within this
work to really plug into other people's
brains and say what bothers them how do
they think and how can I put this into
terms that they understand and something
that will be meaningful for them that
they can grab and and be tangible for
them if I understand it it's great but I
have to take it from there and put into
their terms in their world and the
people out there and when you have this
crowd like that which is challenging
wants answers and they're not people who
necessarily of the achievement mentality
so you have to be able to take that idea
and put into that framework I think is
something which very beneficial and
really played a role in putting this
work on the table in a way that will be
tangible for everyone out there. Any
final word that you want to say just as
we close the conversation? I think the
work speaks for itself. I encourage
everyone to read it. Hopefully, it
should enrich your life. But it's
definitely true that just to go back to
what you just said. The greatest, you
know, we have we look to as leaders. But
sometimes the biggest role models we
have are the people around us. We have
people everywhere. Somebody in knows how
to d somebody knows how to learn. We
watch them. We say he's doing something
special. the regular simple yen around
us can be the biggest role models if we
pay attention to them. Someone like in
an extreme situation. I remember years
ago I was living and one of the
people somebody flew to his father was
not well he flew back to America. His
father was he flew within back to Israel
and he came in right before Shabas and
then came Shabas. So he came to Shabas
and he got an alo and he benched and he
said thank
you. I remember sitting there watching.
There's somebody who just went back. His
father was not old to the best of my
knowledge. His father was nifer. He just
went back to be with his father. His
father was nif. He's coming back in a
state of tragedy. And he can stand by
the beam and say, "Thank
you. You do everything good for me. You
always take care of me." It's something
a yid can do and we do it all the time.
Pay attention to people around you who
are doing this. And I'm talking not only
about the tragedy, but the way we live
our lives. the people who live, the
people all around us in every sh in
cloud is you'll find somebody who lives
his life with a passionate purpose in
life. Let's be those people. They're
there. Follow them, emulate them. Live
with a purpose. These are imams are here
to give you a guide of how you should
live your life. It's not about just
saying, "I believe." It's not about just
believing in Mashiach. It's great if we
understand if you ask the average, "Why
do we want Mashiah? What for?" And
hopefully with this, he'll be able to
answer. What's the goal in what am I
aiming for? Am I just aiming for the
luxury vacation I can't afford down
here? I should get it when I get
upstairs. Hopefully, you have a more
mature idea than just that. These are
all ideas we develop. But the the sum
total of all these ideas is to give a
person a way to go through life starting
from today when you pick it up and look
through it. Hopefully, I would hope it
enriches Gladly to pick yourself up and
to and to change the way you live into a
into a um a better life, a motivated
life, a passionate life of purpose. Just
to have purpose in life to know where
you're going, what life's all about.
It's our life. We're living it. Do it
educated.
Thank you so much. Glad to be here.
Thank you for the opportunity.
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