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Hello everyone and welcome back to
Inside Art Scroll where the books you
read and the people who write them come
to life. Today we are joined by a
special guest from Erit Israel, Rabbi
David Orlavski. Thank you Revit for
being here. It's a real treat. I know
you just got here two days ago. What a
privilege to be in the Arts Scroll uh uh
studios. This is very exciting. So, for
the short period of time, I'm here with
uh the great of the greats. I saw on the
on the wall outside the people who've
made this show already. So, uh you know,
my gosh, I'm walking among giants. Well,
thank you for that and thank you for
gracing us here. So, in the limited
amount of time that we have, I have
That's a mustah skill in general for
life. Yes, exactly. We want a kaparine.
That's right. It's not every day that we
get to sit with you in schmoo. So, let's
start off, which I'm sure you've done
many times, giving our viewers a little
background about your background, where
you come from, what shaped you, who
shaped you, and then we'll get into some
specific uh topics. So, uh I come from a
little dut in Long Island called North
Merik. Most people have never heard of
it. Um people have heard of Merik.
Merrick is an upper class uh um you know
nice neighborhood very Jewish. North
Merrick is a lower middle class
neighborhood with almost no Jews and uh
uh I uh we I grew up over there and uh I
ended up we went to a conservative
synagogue. My father worked shabas and
uh and Ray Fendel started a day school
in Long Island called the Zakaria Fendel
his brother brother of Mayor Fendel.
Okay.
Zertak he started a day school called
the Hebrew Academy of Nassau County and
he convinced my father to send I'm one
of six boys but the three younger boys
we all went to Hank and uh you know I I
came from a home where the the values
weren't quite there that we were
learning at school so I lived two lives
and uh and then I had a rebby uh in eth
grade Yakov Whale uh art school book um
uh put out calls to eternity about his
mother. Yeah. And he put out a famous
Hagod with answers. Yeah. Yeah. Right.
Right. Right. Right. And he uh he just
was so aggressive because we were we
were apathetic, you know, Long Island
kids, you know, suburban kids. And he
shook us up. And I always felt that I
had a Midas MS. and I fought with him
and he wiped the floor with me. Which I
was not used to because I'm really very
good at arguing. And uh and I remember I
said to my friends, I said, "We have to
fight with this guy." They said, "Just
ignore him." I said, "But what if he's
right?" They said, "Ignore him anyway."
And I couldn't do that. And I had to
change my life and I slowly
became to mitzvah by the time my bar
mitzvah rolled around. Um and uh I got
with the program and so uh And what was
it like doing that when your parents
were behind you, not with them leading
you? Oh, I I had to fight with them
constantly. Constantly. Luckily, I
wasn't home the night that my brother
burned down the kitchen because they
were sure I was behind it, but I wasn't
home and because there were kash
problems uh that I I was having issues
with. And then they, you know, Muhammad
Lee and Gummer, I mean, we burnt the
whole place down. I said, you know, once
we're rebuilding already, let's put in
this. Let's change that. Let's do this.
And they cooperated. Yeah. Yeah. In
other words, you know, my father would
argue and then he would give in. And he
still felt that I was wrong, but he
would give in anyway because my father
grew up in an Orthodox home. He just had
no Jewish education, so he didn't know.
It was interesting. You know, if I had
to label my parents, and labeling is
such a difficult thing. I would say they
were non-practising Orthodox Jews.
hashkoffically they were orthodox but uh
their their life didn't you know he was
in the flower business and the flower
business Saturday is the biggest day and
you know like I said he had no Jewish
education you know so but he remembered
what he remembered so you know uh so
shabas uh you know he had to work shabas
but if you walked around the house in
your socks he went crazy you know what
do you want me to die we couldn't figure
out what that was I was a kid he says to
me you marry a shixa you're out of the
will I didn't know what a will was I
didn't know what a shika was but I okay
dad you know it's like you know because
they were very Jewish and they were very
proud Jews you know and and and they
felt these things are very kazak but uh
but he didn't have that education when
he finally became sharabas
uh 67 years old it came to him very
naturally he uh he he adopted that
lifestyle so you know we had we had
arguments about everything but um you
know
go explain you know
secret you know what I mean like you
know what difference it make every time
you turn on you know the light in the
refrigerator goes every time you turn on
the forcet somewhere a pump is going on
something's happening you know so I
tried to explain these things the best I
could in the end he he uh he would give
in but uh you know it was uh it it
prepared me for later in life because it
when I started yeshiva gdola and I ended
up going to you know I knew
hashkovically so much more than any
other person my age because I had to
argue everything through. Wow. You know,
and uh it gave me a tremendous
background in hashkafa that most people
don't get. But it's unbelievable that as
a child you had that fortitude when
today so many children who are being
given ykat on a silver platter are
struggling with it and here you were in
the opposite environment fighting for
what's right. So that's one of the
reasons that so many people don't
appreciate it because they never had to
fight for it. You know, if you have to
fight for something, it's that much more
valuable to you. And so that's why Torah
is a it's a you have to fight for it.
You have to, you know, the say that
unless you learn something wrong, you'll
never learn it right. You have to you
have to struggle to find the MS. And you
know I was a rebby for many years and
this is the de facto position of the
average kid in Shir today. Go ahead Reby
tell me anything you think might
interest me.
Ry Fendel told me he used to go to a
Shir by Rafutna Zatal and he says it was
in a small room and it was crowd and it
was hard to hear him and he said to one
of the organizers why don't we move this
to the auditorium give him a microphone
and he said because Hudnner holds
Bashita you have to struggle to hear to
listen and to understand it's not this
is not a this is not a entertainment
Shapiro fought for many years before he
agreed to to take a microphone in sheir
you because he wanted you to you know to
give a deare like they say mus you have
to listen so uh I used to remember you
know ripali and sh would say this all
the time he
goes to then listen you have to listen
and that's a that's a a hard thing for a
generation that's used to having
everything given to them like you say on
a silver platter and you have to
struggle it's the struggle that makes it
meaningful you No according to the
efforts the reward. After you left, you
went to right where you learned by
Rhene. I I uh I was actually in a number
of branches. I was in with Rever Caner.
I was in uh I was in Farills with Rahan.
I was in Rochester with RDavid Harris
who now is the Russa. He was Rashiva in
Rochester. So uh and eventually I made
my way to Los Angeles where Shia Cohen
was the rashiva and I did some teaching
and I did some learning and and that's
when I stumbled into NCSY and uh by
really by accident and I was tricked
into taking my first NCSY chapter and it
turned out that I had a real hush for
this particular line of work and uh I
started being offered regions all over
the country and I took Long Island um
which had had five directors in two ers
and it was dead than dead. And uh there
was actually one member, one paid member
of the region when I took over and uh I
built that up and I found I had a real
talent in uh in Kir and informal
education and uh I was there for nine
years and then I moved to sit and learn.
My original plan was I would sit and
learn and then go into Rabonus and uh
instead I stayed in Aritzel and I found
opportunities there. So you were
teaching in Arit Israel. Yeah, I
seminaries. I seminaries in Yeshiva. I
was I was Mashk and yeshiva or um I
taught in uh in Derak program in Orak.
Uh I used to teach in in Asia Torah. Um
and I also taught in seminaries and and
uh you know I I really had a a very
varied aspect where you know I used to I
used to teach inola I was training
raonim um you know and it went from
there to you know shalim where I was
teaching girls who who were just really
newcomers to Judaism and basically
everything in between. So uh it's uh I I
found which was very
interesting. I had a real um ability as
a gamarra teacher and uh that's a very
hard thing to do to keep kids interested
in the garamarra. I had one kid who said
to me he came back shabbed unconditioned
that he didn't have to learn kumar and
the rasha convinced him to come to my
and he said if I had a like this I would
have I would have learned kumar my whole
life you know. So to make the gammora
come alive, I once spoke for the uh for
the kao and Elizabeth they have a yomi
yun on national holiday. So I think I
spoke there on Thanksgiving and uh so I
said what do you want me to talk about?
He says, "Talk
about you know you say I was like okay I
have never been asked to do that on the
speaker circuit and uh and he called me
up afterwards." He says, "I'm getting a
lot of pressure." They said, "You don't
bring Olafi in to give a Gumar share. So
do uh you know uh do an hour of the
Gammor do 45 minutes of Gamarra and 15
minutes of whatever your usual stick
is." You know, so I did. He says, "I
made a mistake. People enjoyed the
Gammor so much. You could have gone on
for that for for for the full hour. So
uh so I enjoyed very much teaching
teaching boys teaching Gamara. I do an
online dafyomi uh uh today um through my
uh through my website and uh you know to
to make the daf come alive and be
exciting and be interesting and be
relevant and meaningful that's that's a
challenge and I I take it very
seriously. Yeah. So yeah, so I teach
boys, I teach girls, I I give two online
misu sham shir, you know, it's a it's a
challenge. You have to you have to make
tora alive for our kids. And that's
that's the biggest challenge is that
kids a kid says this. Everybody has
heard this from a kid. Rebby, why are we
learning this? I don't have an ax. I'm
not planning on buying one. I don't run
through the street with pictures, you
know. Uh, if I if I marry a woman, it'll
be with a a ring, not with a piece of
silk of indeterminate value. If I
divorce her, it'll be embedded and I
won't throw the get from my roof into
her where it catches on fire on the way
down, you know, and that's the biggest
challenge. Why am I learning relevance?
People want to feel that this has
meaning to my life. And I always say
that that's you find this a few times in
the garra. What is who cares? Mahavaha,
right? Daf, they're doing humor now. It
says it over there. It's a
gammor. We're not learning history. If
we're learning a pik or a rashi or a
garra or a hal, it's because it has to
have relevance to my life today. It has
to have meaning for me today. Otherwise,
we wouldn't be learning it. What is what
is a one of the biggest differences that
you've seen in the questions being posed
to you in Kirkim versus Kirim?
Uhim people want to know why. And um in
Kirim they know why. They're saying it's
not working for me. I'm not happy. I'm
not enjoying this. Shabas doesn't make
me happy. learning doesn't make me
happy. Torah doesn't make me happy. You
understand? I'm not enjoying this. One
of the the greatest uh uh fulfillments
I've gotten over the years is that when
a parent tells me, he goes, "I have a
kid not interested in anything, but he
listens to your recordings. He listens
to your Shir." He says, "It's just more
entertaining than than the Goya comics."
I was in scholar residence once in a in
a pesa hotel and uh the seminary girls
who took care of the day camp they said
listen we miss all your shurum could you
do something for us at night when when
we finished I said sure so I I was
giving a share and a bunch of the guests
were coming so the director said listen
this is not part of our agreement I said
I'm not going to charge you for this I
actually like teaching goes good then
I'll put it in the bulletin and I was
getting more people coming to my share
than were going to the entertainment
program the Oh, and one of them said, he
says, "It's pretty sad when the rabbi is
more entertaining, you know, giving a
shir than the entertainer, you know,
because you have to figure out how does
Torah speak to me in make it enjoyable,
you know, it has to be something that's
sweet to our kids." And that's what it
is. I heard say this once. He says, "I
understand why a kid wants to go off.
if you're going to take away the
pleasures in my life, you better show me
you got something better for me than
what I've got. And uh and that's, you
know, I have I have this podcast that I
give and I talk about different things
and I've gotten letters from guys who
feel like they were not uh able to sit
and learn. They didn't enjoy it. It
wasn't meaningful. Goes, "The only Torah
learning I have in my week is your
podcast. I watch this because it's
enjoyable. Because I I it makes me feel
good. That's what Torah has to be. It
has to be that shabas is something
beautiful that that uh you know I heard
one of my kids tell another one of my
kids you know um says uh I
love you
know the pes you know shabas it's got to
be something where a person says wow I'm
enjoying this I like this it's fun and
uh that's the challenge well people know
the you are infuse humor into Yeah.
Everything you do. That's right. And and
that brings out the joy. And that brings
out the joy. And perhaps that's why in
the hotel program or wherever it is,
people want to go to hear, Rabbi,
because they know that they're going to
smile. They know they're going to feel
good. And they know that they're getting
the substance at the same time. I had
somebody once who who was relisting to
some of my show, and they go, you know,
you say a lot of deep things. I said,
what are you trying to do? Kill my
panosa? Just say he's
funny. I know what I'm saying. You know,
somebody said to me once, he goes, "You
realize he's saying very stark musa. How
does he get away with this?" He goes,
"He's funny. If you're funny, you can
say anything you want.
But what what you were talking about
before segus well to something I wanted
to ask you and this goes back to a shear
that I listened to from you about 20
years ago and you made a very very
poignant
observation that if you would take the
average Jewish child and give them the
opportunity to press a button and be
born into a different family a
non-Jewish family without all the
obligations without all the the
commandments and without all the many
things that he may not understand. Many
a Jewish child will choose to press that
button and you analyzed it. Could you
take a moment and apply it now 20 years
after I first heard you mention it as to
why that is and what could we be doing
better to make sure that no Jewish child
will ever want to push that button. So I
just have to tell you a story that a
rebi and a massifa you know very from
mifa and I don't want to mention where
or what but he says he says I tried this
myself I asked my my boys in mifa and
they all said yeah sure I'd push the
button yeah yeah I would choose not to
be Jewish you know it's it's uh it's an
amazing thing it's an amazing thing and
uh and I I Uh I've seen this myself over
the years. Uh it's it's it's only if
it's only become stronger. Um the reason
is I think because unfortunately so much
of comes down to
um is angry and disappointed with you
and uh and people internalize that meth
message. So I've asked audiences over
the years, do you think Hashem loves
you? So at the beginning people couldn't
answer, but now the Kira of movement has
been around long enough. So we know the
correct answer. Yes, Hashem loves me.
Then I say, does Hashem like
you? Very hard question for a firm Jew
to answer. And then I say, is Hashem
impressed with
you? And almost no firm person can say
yes because we've been taught Hashem is
disappointed in you. Hashem will wait
for you to the last day to see if you do
chuva but if not then he will cast you
into the pit of gehenn where you will
you know burn for you know terrible
painful experience because he loves you
and wants you to have a ton you know so
a person as one person put it to me I
feel like I'm walking a greaset
tightroppe over hell I'm always going to
be hashem's always going to be angry
with me we're always going to be
disappointed with me you know I tell you
you ever hear the traveling
so I spoke once at a a project inspired
convention and one of them came over and
said you know we're your kid he goes
you're the only person still teaching
realus I said I said what you know
because I'm I'm a real died in the wool
litak you know he says no no no the idea
of hashem loving you and the sim and
this and that that was based on he says
you don't find that today he says this
is the message people have to hear
hashem loves you hashem believes in you
hashem is rooting for you hashem is
impressed with you. He thinks, listen,
after 2,000 years of all the suffering
that we've gone through, the fact that a
person is willing to stand up today and
say, "I'm a from Jew and all the abuse
you get today, you know, and and and how
many people hate us and all the
difficulty and stuff like and and and
the pressure, you know, of of all the
mitzvah that have to be done and the
expectations. the fact that a person is
willing to stand up and be counted. How
invaluable that is in the eyes of a
kesh, but we don't hear that. We don't
tell that to our kids. But I think some
nowadays may have taken the Hashem loves
me mantra all the way to the other end
where it's Hashem loves me and he's
going to love me and I could do what I
want to do or act the way I want to. And
there's almost that lack of
the balance. that there does have to be
some kind of balance as a mishapro as
someone who has heard so much from one
of the greatest of our generation. Yeah,
I really don't find that. In fact, if
you find the kids who go off, they're
sure Hashem hates them. Hashem hates me.
My parents hate me. Society hates me. My
Rebe hate me. Everybody's disappointed
in me, you know. And and if you start
talking to like, okay, fine. I'm a
Russia. Okay, you're happy. Okay, I'm a
Russia. You don't hear them saying like,
you know, hey, everything's great.
Everything's fine. I can do what I want.
Hashem loves me. You know what I mean?
They they really feel that they they're
playing a game they can't win. So, why
bother playing, you know? They just
they've given up. Listen, when I was a
when I was a kid, and I'm going back
some years, um people went off to D. You
know what they did? They went to
college. They got a job. They they uh
they got married. They had children. And
they didn't keep shabas. Today when a
kid goes off the derek, they dress like
a laundry pile. They they can't get out
of coherent sense. Yeah, you know my
rabbi, you know, they smoke like a
chimney or they do drugs or they just
there's nothing. They become they
become because I know what MS is and I
can't do it. So I just give up. It's not
that I don't believe. They believe very
strongly. But I can't. I'm playing a
game I can't win. Is one worse than the
other where someone's more
intellectually adversarial versus just,
you know, doing whatever they want?
Because when a kid goes off today and
you see he just becomes nothing. Just
becomes nothing. Yeah. It's because he
believes that no one believes in him. He
believes that Hashem is out to get him.
He believes that he's going to burn and
get him and there's no there's no hope
and there's no choice. And and I hate to
say it, this didn't come from a vacuum.
They've heard this from people. You
know, uh David Kaplan used to write a
column of the Hamodilla called anecdu
and anecdotes. And uh in the anecdotes,
you hear these stories of of teachers
who who you know, I guess in their mind
they really meant well, but you know,
they they hurt kids terribly. And and
when a person feels that love and loves
you and Hashem believes in you and you
of course you're going to mess up. My
wife who is much smarter than I am.
She's the intellectual of the family. So
uh she always says high schools only
want kids who don't need high school. It
used to be you understood that high
school was you know a time where you're
going to grow and you're going to this
and you're going to you know mess up a
little bit you know. And today, you
know, everyone says we take only the
best kids. Best kids. Yeah. Langim,
who's a very, very smart person, you
know, tremendous, you know, he said to
me once, he goes, "What is the best
eighth
grader?" Like, "Isn't that your job?" He
goes, "It doesn't say much about you as
a m you can only educate the best kids.
You know, don't you know how to take
somebody and develop them and build
them? You you're incapable of that? So
we have to calm down a little bit, give
people a little space, understand that
kids are kids and you know we have to
reassure them and we have to teach them
to to to have selfrespect. In the old
times, you know, Riv Hutner said this
already back in the 60s. He says all the
sch smoozen in Europe about ga that's
not for America because they didn't have
a fancy word like self-esteem. You know,
he says he says they have to learn
self-worth. They don't think they're
worth anything. They don't think that
what they do matters that it makes a
difference. I had a girl second year in
seminary. She said to me, "We get these
lists of people who are sick to say to
heal them for, you know, I d sometimes
they get better, sometimes they die, but
it has nothing to do with me. Does the
average person really believe I say a
fela and that person's going to get
healthy, that person's going to going to
have a child, that person's going to get
a paranosa, that person's going to find
a shik." We don't believe that because
we're we're not worth anything. Go find
a to but me, I'm going to d for
somebody. I'm going to change the world
and change somebody's life. I believe
it. I believe it. And for the record, I
am not a godly Israel, but I am I
believe that I can davin and say I'm
going to change someone's life and I'm
going to bring Mashiach. If it's not if
it's if it's not us, who what percentage
of is still left around, you know, to be
able to to change the world? That means
it's our dvening. So, you know why
people don't din? Who cares what I say?
It makes a difference what I say. That's
why people speak lashar because you
think it makes a difference what I say.
Nobody cares. Nobody cares what they do,
what they say, what they do. You know,
everyone's walking scared. Everybody's
afraid. You know, uh I I started
Yeshiva. Okay, giveaway. I started
Yeshiva 1964. And we got a message.
You're a hero because you are keeping
Torah alive. I mean, at that point,
every shaw that was opening was a
conservative synagogue. You know, Torah
was dead. You know, Pesak Cron says this
all the time. I I used to say it my own,
but but he uh but he said it. I'd rather
quote him. Yeah. He says the change took
place in 1976 when the art scroll
McGillis Esther came out because until
then my generation we only had Sansino.
You could read pages and I come across a
Jew. Forget about forget about a Torah
personality, you know. It was all
Christian Bible scholars, you know. And
suddenly art school came out and it was
okay to be from. But when I started
school 1964, if you were an Orthodox
Jew, you were you were of an object of
derision. And so we came in and we were
it didn't matter if you were good or
bad. They used to say, "We can't afford
to throw a kid out. We don't have enough
of them." Today, every kid gets a
message. We don't need you here. I got
two, three kids waiting to take your
place. You don't like it? Get out. you
know, and so a kid feels like I'm not
needed. The school doesn't need me. My
rebim don't need me. My, you know,
everybody's running scared. Everyone's
disappointed in me. Hashem is angry with
me. You know, and then you wonder why
there's a lack of of happiness. Whereas
the says, why are we in this
world? To get pleasure from the delight
in
Hashem. Is that message coming across to
our kids? And I say that over it's it's
it's the the the shir that you're
quoting. It's from it's from a line from
a shir called why be Jewish is always my
go-to shir. The first thing that I hear
from parents from parents is two things.
One is if this is true why are you the
only one saying it. I said it's not true
and I show you shor from across the
board people who say this. And the
second question is why is no one
teaching this to our children? And
that's a harder question to answer. Why
isn't that the message that kids get
loves you? The greatest thing to do is
to be close to you know if I walk in and
I think that is angry at me and
disappointed in me and and isn't happy
with me. Do I want to dive in? Do I want
to learn? Do I want to be part of a
system where I know I'm failing before I
even start? But if you say Hashem loves
you, Hashem believes in you, Hashem is
rooting for you and and Hashem created
the whole world just because he wants to
be close to you. That's that's a
paradigm shift. There are many people
out there who need to hear this message.
A hundred,000 that you're giving. One
way that they could get the message is
actually in this book which came out two
years ago. I should mention it's it's a
transcription of many of your lectures.
Uh that was very well done. Tell our
viewers what other ways if someone wants
to tap into the joy of Yiddish of Rabbi
Olowski, where could they go? What could
they do? How could they tap into it? So
I have a podcast every week. It comes
out on it's on tour anytime and there
are other places you can listen to it if
you know anything about technology which
I don't but I know it is over
there and uh and this is the I used I
used to give a share every other um moti
shabas in Harnof and I used to ask
people who came a lot why do you come
and answer I got was this is the only
place I come where I walk out feeling
good that I'm affirmed Jew now that
that's sad not because the message I'm
giving
Yeah. Um my friend Summers who's a re in
Los Angeles, he says that he told this
once um to Sarn's son in in he says what
do you mean this is this is basic
Judaism. What I'm saying is basic
Judaism. Of course it's of course it's
everything. His father wrote a unim on
on he says of course everybody everybody
knows this but in the last door you
didn't have to say this because everyone
knew it. But when they came to America,
people didn't have the background that
they had. So we spent our time focusing
on mitzvah observance, right? So I
always give the example, right? We give
out the color-coded charts for the
matzah and everyone's careful to get the
matzah and measure out the matzah and
eat it. Remember with habra and all the
things. And then I asked someone, why do
we eat
matzah? Because the Jews left Egypt so
quickly their bread didn't have a chance
to rise. I said, "So let it rise now."
Right? If you make kala dough and it
doesn't rise in 18 minutes, just wait.
It might take 45 minutes, it will rise
and then we could eat. I said, ' That's
not even the part that bothers me. You
know, I said I said, "Everybody's
running around. We can't leave Egypt.
The the mitzvah have been screaming at
us since midnight. Get out. Get out."
Right? We're collecting gold and silver.
We're running around. We're we're
cutting down trees. We're we're doing
everything. And suddenly comes noon
time, Gans Clasur decides, "What a great
time to bake bread." And then we got
rushed out of Egypt because who could
have seen that
coming and everyone says to me, "Yeah."
I said, 'You spend so much time on the
performance of the mitzvah that you
don't know why. You don't stop to think
why. And and that's unfortunately the
thing is that we, you know, it's the
opposite. You know, I I I was asked once
to speak in a basako, you know, about
questions, you know, how to how to
answer basic questions. I used to teach
this to Raban in in Oligalah and uh and
someone in the school said we don't want
the kids to ask questions. Uh it'll just
it'll lessen their amuna. So don't ask
any questions. Yeah. Uh somebody said to
me, "This boy has hashkaf problems. He
he doesn't know if he believes in
Hashem. He doesn't know he believes in
har." I said I said that's not hushkaf
problems. I said he has other problems,
right? He gets up late. He he's not
successful in his learning, you know. So
he asked questions, you know. I said,
"Tell me the guy is is dominating, he's
learning, and you find him in the base
major three o'clock in the morning
reading spinosa. That's that's a
hushkuffer problem. This is not a
hushkuffle problem." He says, "We know
that, you know, all you have to do is
say, I don't believe in this." And goes,
you know, but it's not real. It's not
coming from a real place. And and and if
you if you if you confront the issues,
the issues are not really the issues.
The issues are how come I'm not happy?
How come I'm not feeling a sim in in my
and and that's that's an art form for us
to be able to give our kids a shab.
People ask me how do you make your kids
sit at the shabas table? I said I don't.
My goal is to make the shabas table such
a warm welcoming place that people want
to sit there you know and our shabas
meals go on for a very long time. Yeah.
Well part part of the problem is that we
eat too much but uh but also because you
want to make it interesting and
entertaining enough. And I look at it
from a kid's point of view. So I had a
tufa when my kids were teenagers and
they they weren't such happy campers,
you know. And so I would ask questions,
thought questions. Yeah. I I would tie
it into something in the parisher. And
then I would say, "Do you think you
should bring your kids up in an only
neighborhood without exposed to anything
or in a mixed neighborhood where they'll
meet different types of people?" And
they would argue because teenagers love
to give their opinions. They would
argue. And whenever I would do this,
people would say to me afterwards, "And
what did you tell them?" I said,
"Nothing. That's the point. I want them
to be able to sit there and talk. Just
talk and talk and talk and talk." And
they'll sit at the shabas table and give
their opinions. Gabaldic, you know, I
have to say, "And here's the right
answer." That's the whole problem. You
know, teachers say, "What do you think?"
Okay, we don't really care what you
think. Here's the right
answer. Let people think. Let people
talk. Kids love it. So they would sit at
the shabas table and give their
opinions, you know, gavaldic. The older
I get, as you say, everyone's entitled
to my entitled
to let people talk and and that's why
the older I get, I have mastered the
skill of keeping my mouth shut. I
haven't mastered it, but I gotten a lot
better at it, letting people talk. You
know, people love to hear themselves
talk, and uh I encourage it. Well, thank
you for the messages of positivity. Are
we out of time? I think so. I think
they're they're signaling to us. I can
see that we have to wrap this up. I
thought we were just getting started. We
were just getting started, but
apparently time is short and you have to
go, but we really appreciate I want to
thank
and there there there's there's there's
in in there's no question about it. It's
a daunting task nowadays. And you've
infused all of us
parents with hope. hope that we could
infuse that joy
that being aid and not being scared of
questions
and and like you just said, not always
do you have to give the answers. No,
very often the answers will come out by
themselves. We go to the seder and we do
things to get people to ask questions.
We want them to ask questions. If they
if they ask questions, they care. The
the the bane of Jewish education is is
apathy. Yeah. where they feel this is
not relevant to my life or they're
asking questions it's galdic we
encourage that well thank you for that
thank you for the
encouragement to continue to infuse that
in both where you live in and when we're
us still here in to have you in our
presence thank you so much continue my
pleasure and uh listen it's it's like I
said I I'm quoting Pak saying it but I
was saying it beforehand you know you
have changed the the face of of Torah in
America. Thank you. And with the art
school, I mean, initial too, you know,
it's like it's just it's just it's just
impossible, you know. Well, that that's
credit to our incredible team here from
Rabbi Laditz, Rabbi Sherman, Rabbi
Brand. I was in a uh I was in a uh you
know dafomi kabura you know before I
started giving the share you know and
they had they had the art school
um you shall uh skullim and it would be
like you're turning and you're turning
and you're turning and you're turning
and you're turning bay and they're
turning and they're
turn so it's a herculean task and one
that I definitely appreciate.
Thank you so much.
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